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Posted by becky T (# 1191) on :
 
To jlg,ref your Epistle of 21/5/01.
Thanks for your thoughts on this one.Since SOF have reorganised things I seem to have lost the correspondence on this thread(but not the printing of it).There were one or two questions you were asking that I was intending to reply,but with going away on holiday and SOFs rejig delayed things.
I'm not sure where the term ra-ra skirt came from, but I would describe what I favour wearing is more of a mini-crinoline/tiered(some)Laura Ashley style,generally skirt lengths are about tennis length(no longer)with full underskirts.It's quite nice when there is a little bit of a breeze which swirls the skirt about a bit and shows of it's fullness,likewise a little bit of petticoat and the same when one goes dancing(barn dance/jive etc [Wink] sort of late 1950s ish(only shorter).The comment'ladies do not allow their underwear to be seen in public'I wholeheartedly agree with,sometimes it can be difficult when the wind becomes more than a gentle breeze :eek <IMG SRC="redface.gif" border="0">r a peeping tom follows you upstairs <IMG SRC="redface.gif" border="0">
Apologies to those of you who have not seen this thread and must be rather puzzled as to what all this was about.

That's about all for now

Becky

PS Our age range is approx 20/30s ish!!!

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Posted by Viola (# 20) on :
 
Hi Becky - welcome to the new boards - it's been a long time!

I vaguely remember your thread on the old boards, but we've got an awful lot of new people here these days, so praps you could do a recap for us.

Otherwise it all feels a bit as though we're coming in very late to someone else's conversation! And that sort of feels rude - which of course we don't want to be whilst in heaven.

Thanks very much, and hope you settle in here soon.
 


Posted by becky T (# 1191) on :
 
To Viola/ No problem I can do a recap for people who have not seen my original thread.Should I put it as a reply on my currant thread or create a new one? Becky.
 
Posted by babybear (# 34) on :
 
Probably best to re-cap here rather than start a new thread.

bb
 


Posted by becky T (# 1191) on :
 
The recap of my original Epistle of 20/5/01 which went along the lines of:-Over the last few years I have been having a revamp of my wardrobe of clothing,out have gone many trousers,long skirts(very drab)shorts etc;Mostly replaced by more feminine styles such as skirts very short(approx tennis length) & full(sort of mini-crinoline)some tiered Laura Ashleyish styles and full underskirts(very essential)for normal and more formal occaisions,tops,soft feminine with subtle patterns or motifs,jackets some hooded,light & heavyweight are highwaisted so not to cover too much of the short skirts.
Most of my friends thought the change of image was great & very good for me+I felt this sort of change most refreshing.
Just one or two people at my church did'nt approve of all this, taking great delight in embarrising me whenever possible,such as at house group meetings some of us usually have to sit on the floor,and if I have to,point out just how much underwear my skirt is showing,despite my best efforts!or if we go out as a group somewhere these same people turn up and when they do it always seems to be windy and this presents real problems for my style of skirts,lifting them alarmingly high and very difficult to control too despite the layers of petticoats.'Can't take her anywhere M&S underwear eh? and that's on the waistband of my knickers Oh help I do not need to know this.'Get some trousers on' and so it goes on.
I have no intention of changing things. I love what I wear,my skirts are as a greatly valued friend, and will not ditch them just because they may let me down sometimes. I take pride in my appearence and do wish this negative minority & faction at my church would leave me alone,just because I choose to be a bit individulistic in my style of outfits(It would be very dull if we all chose to wear the same drab styles & colours)If any ladies out there have any tips/suggestions on handling very short full skirts with regards to windy weather or deportment etc;please reply or how as a Christian lady I should respond to this small & negative faction at my church.
Thanks to those who responded to my origional Epistle, I know this faction are only trying to wind me up which I am ignoring, Someone suggested a new trend of wearing trousers underneath short skirts,not for me tho'I would feel rather comic in my type of outfits and try to let my skirts do the covering+it's cheating a bit really is'nt it? There was also a suggestion to another Epistle of sewing coins into the hem of a short full skirt to stop it lifting too high in windy weather.hmmmmmm? I prefer to wear petticoats it looks more feminine and swirls nicely in a gentle breeze.
Thanks also to those who responded with similar experiences and understanding.
I hope this recap is OK

Becky T
 


Posted by The Happy Coot (# 220) on :
 
I think you might be well served with one of the those frilly pairs of tennis knicks. You know. The ones that make your rump look like the rear view a turkey.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
I'm amused that you appear to find short skirts more "feminine" than long skirts. Why would that be?

Reader Alexis
 


Posted by becky T (# 1191) on :
 
Reader Alexis
It is just a personel peferrence+I find them less cumbersom and more freedom of movement ; Becky T
 
Posted by Moo (# 107) on :
 
becky t

If you keep your arms down at your sides when it's windy, it helps keep your skirt from blowing around.

Moo
 


Posted by becky T (# 1191) on :
 
Moo

Thanks for the advice always worth trying to bear in mind, occainionally one has to do other things with one's arms as well though,any chance of a spare pair of arms?

Bye for now

Becky T
 


Posted by becky T (# 1191) on :
 
To Happy Coot.I am interested to know why I should want to resemble the rear view of a turkey.I'm not sure if it may be asking too much of my skirts to cover anyway+tights as well.If you really need to know I'm sticking to normal underwear.In my original posting I did say I took pride and care over my appearance.What made you suggest this as it does not sound quite right to me? What do others think?

Becky T
 


Posted by The_Colonel (# 1277) on :
 
Hmm ... had to look didn't I?

I don't know if it would help, but if your skirt keeps blowing away, perhaps you could adapt and old gunfighter's trick and put some weights on the hem?
 


Posted by The Happy Coot (# 220) on :
 
becky T, I seem to have misunderstood the purpose of the thread. Is it the case that this is a real scenario and you are seeking serious responses?
 
Posted by Septimus (# 500) on :
 
don't wear any underwear.

the detractors will either be so shocked that they will never want to be seen in your presence again or they will become your biggest fans.....
 


Posted by Carmel (# 58) on :
 
quote:
don't wear any underwear.

I can still remember the reaction I got from my best friend when we went out to lunch one time and he told me with considerable disapproval afterwards that I should have worn a slip under my skirt. I told him that if he had noticed that, he was a dirty old man.
 


Posted by Bruce Stanley (# 1255) on :
 
quote:

Just one or two people at my church did'nt approve of all this

I take pride in my appearence and do wish this negative minority & faction at my church would leave me alone


You've got me ranting now. Do people honestly feel it is their right to come up and comment on your dress? Says more about them I think.So this is the sort of thing I am missing by not going to Church.

God bless your cotton socks or whatever else is visable.

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Posted by Septimus (# 500) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Carmel:
I can still remember the reaction I got from my best friend when we went out to lunch one time and he told me with considerable disapproval afterwards that I should have worn a slip under my skirt. I told him that if he had noticed that, he was a dirty old man.

'Tis quite true, any chap who makes any sort of comment on visible underwear, bra straps, marks on clothing, runs in tights etc etc is treading on ice of a thickness only measurable by certain physicists specialising in sub atomic particles...

Becky could of course try the reverse, commenting on the fact that certain fastners are undone, the colour of their underwear; any sort of comment about thinning of hair is also incredibly painful to any man.

as a last resort (though not recommnded for use in any but the direst emergency) you could ask them if they feel particularly cold, or have just been swimming... when they ask why simply reply that they "seem even smaller than usual"

of course there's always physical violence...

or just watch about 36 hours of Oprah straight, then walk about however you want without giving a damn...... girlfriend

Septimus (listening to the little red fork-waver for a change)
 


Posted by Renee (# 479) on :
 
While I don't imagine you're really interested in a our suggestions to solve your "problem", it's possible that certain ideas have escaped your attention so far.

1. You can't change the minds of your detractors.

2. Like it or not, how you present yourself in different circles will be accepted differently, depending on the values of each group. This is a fact of life and it is why we wear suits to work.

3. Why does your wardrobe have to be all one style? Why not flaunt your undies to your peer group in social situations and wear something a little more conservative to Bible study? Unless you enjoy making people uncomfortable with your overt sexuality, in which case, stop complaining about their negative comments.
 


Posted by becky T (# 1191) on :
 
To The Happy Coot/Don't worry we all have an occaisional misunderstanding.The answer is 'yes'it is a very real secenario, you can't get more real than when a cruel wind sends one's skirts/petticoats billowing upward and about to reveal your all to all & sundry

So 'yes' some serious responses were saught,it seems I've had some which are realistic and practical also rather entertaining/hilarious particularly the suggestion of putting weights on the hem of my skirt,conjours up an image of pieces of string with weights on,bit like an Australian
bush hat with corks tied on!!! now there's a new fashion trend corks/weights tied to the hem of one's skirts, what next not for me though I'll stick with what I've got.

Better go and answer some of these other replies.

Becky T
 


Posted by becky T (# 1191) on :
 
Sorry forgot the

Becky T
 


Posted by Erin (# 2) on :
 
Uh, hate to burst the group therapy affirmation session bubble here (well, not really), but this is just too much:

quote:
you can't get more real than when a cruel wind sends one's skirts/petticoats billowing upward and about to reveal your all to all & sundry

If you didn't like it, you would stop dressing that way until you found a solution. Since you continue to dress that way, you need to suck it up and deal.
 


Posted by Jubilee (# 1293) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bruce Stanley:

You've got me ranting now. Do people honestly feel it is their right to come up and comment on your dress? .


I kind of agree with Bruce-y babes. Interesting how many churches take the line that men's inappropriate sexual responses (after all that was what the people in question were getting at, wasn't it?) is something that women are responsible for. An interesting patriarchal hangover.

Jubilee


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Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
You can take the line that you have the right to wear what you like and if others don’t like it, it’s their tough luck and deal with any comments in a humorous way. That's your choice, but speaking as a fellow short skirt wearer ...

People do judge you by what you wear and you may not like the conclusions they draw. [A banker friend said that short skirts at work spelt “totty” and their wearers got treated accordingly]. If you know that you’re going to have to sit on the floor or it’s going to be windy outside then a short skirt is perhaps not a good move – unless you enjoy flashing your bits at all and sundry. A longer skirt or a pair of nice trousers might be a better bet or you could try a short skirt and thick tights.

Christian women [and men!] do have to take responsibility for the effect that their clothes have on others … If you know that your clothes are seriously upsetting someone then you may chose to ensure that you wear something else while they’re around – out of respect for their feelings – and save the short skirts for other company. [All that stuff about not causing a brother or sister to stumble – it’s somewhere in the Bible].

I do find the basic assumption that the detractors are men extremely amusing – since I know some women who would also make such comments about another woman’s dress.

But if you’re not prepared to change then as Erin so rightly says, “Since you continue to dress that way, you need to suck it up and deal”.

Tubbs
 


Posted by Moo (# 107) on :
 
When my daughters were teenagers I used to tell them they should not display anything they were not prepared to offer.

Moo
 


Posted by Kerry (# 202) on :
 
I like that Moo!
 
Posted by Karl (# 76) on :
 
At least you'd know you had trouble when they then start walking around in the nip.
 
Posted by Mr. Tyndale's Ghost (# 251) on :
 
I really find it hard to believe that people would actually comment to a church member about the appropriateness of their atire. Becky, it does not sound like you were exactly strutting the stuff in an outfit appropriate for a disco! Don't these folks have anything better to do?

BTW: Speaking for myself, I actually think that a degree of modesty in the clothing department is far more attractive in a woman than the alternative.
 


Posted by Qestia (# 717) on :
 
Oddly enough, in the midst of this tragedy, I thought of this thread. Why? Because, especially days like this when it is hot, I prefer to wear a skirt. However, the last few days I have been wearing trousers exclusively. Why? Because I have been so distracted by these events (forgetting meals--etc--not like me) that I have worried I wouldn't be able to concentrate on my attire enough to remember to keep my legs primly crossed.

So my rule of thumb: If you can't keep your knickers hid (how thrilling to use Britishisms) wear trousers!
 


Posted by sacredthree (# 46) on :
 
If I end up next to someone at some function who is wearing a fairly low cut top I normally say something along the lines of

"If you get the impression that I am looking down your top this evening, it's because I am"

Seems to work at treat.
 


Posted by Steve (# 64) on :
 
s3 - does that apply to men and women?
 
Posted by Moo (# 107) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sacredthree:
If I end up next to someone at some function who is wearing a fairly low cut top I normally say something along the lines of


"If you get the impression that I am looking down your top this evening, it's because I am"


Seems to work at treat.


What, exactly, is the response?

Moo
 


Posted by becky T (# 1191) on :
 
Tubbs
If I thought what I wore seriously upset anyone I could not dress in the styles I do,it is not a problem to most,but this very small minority(well the couple of ladies anyway)for some reason seem to be very anti skirt people,and I have only ever seen them wearing trousers/jeans,so this(with my choice of styles)seems make me apparantly a target to be got at(trying to wind me up)
For my work I have to wear semi-uniform type clothing which have trousers for practical reasons, so consequently for non-work activities I prefer to avoid trousers('cause trousers are'work')so the short full skirt is the preferred outfits where possible. Regarding knowing if I am going to have to sit on the floor at a meeting,I don't,I try not to if I can help it(sometimes a kind person gives up their seat for me--most grateful )likewise one may go out for the day in one of my favoured outfits in perfectly still weather only for the breeze to pick up to a lively rate.This is to say that one can choose to wear a particular outfit, you can't always predict exactly how the day will shape up,I'm sure we all have made the mistake of maybe not choosing the most suitable outfit for the day in question(it's easy to be wise with hindsight)+one has to make a choice and stick with it. Someone asked why my wardrobe was all one style,it is'nt but I'm sure we all have our favoured styles,I think most of us do.
Can anyone explain to me the term'suck it up and deal'in my nieverty it is not a term I have come across before,it sounds a bit crude.
Since last Tuesday(11/9)I've not been doing much on this thread as to have done so would have seemed very insensitive after the events in New York etc;which I know will have been in all our thoughts/prayers.Amen.

Becky T
 


Posted by Gill (# 102) on :
 
You could get a t-shirt with that Bible verse about women not wearing men's clothing, just for them...

I find it odd they comment. Perhaps you could choose one of your longer Laura Ashley numbers for when you're with them? Also, what ARE these short skirts which billow up in the wind? I have a few short skirts but they don't contain enough width to flap about (oo-er Missis!!)

Whatever, you obviously prefer the comments to the thought of changing your style - in which case, do as Erin says. I've never heard that phrase either but it is admirably self-explanatory. Must hark back to Erin's days running a casion, when if a drink got spilt you just had to get on with the game...


 


Posted by Gill (# 102) on :
 
or even a casino...
 
Posted by madkaren (# 1033) on :
 
i reckon erin means:
if you choose to dress like that after getting comments, then you can't complain - you are going to have to deal with them.

for me i get round the short skirt thing by wearing cycle shorts underneath them - especially if cycling. my probelm is more that i like wearing leathers occasionally - and that can get some reactions...

MadKaren
 


Posted by adelaide (# 1159) on :
 
I am very prone to wearing nice long skirts that end around my ankles (most skirts do that because I am small) with amusing ankle socks (my feet sweat)but thats mainly to hide my fat knees and to avoid wearing tights. Sometimes I get tempted to do what you did and change my image from hippy to feminine floaty just for a change but it wont change who I am underneath. It is the attitude that goes along with the clothes that matters. Conservative clothes can make brothers stumble just as much.
 
Posted by Gabe (# 540) on :
 
Absolutely: a brother with stumbling on his mind is going to stumble. Personally, I think women should be more courteous to us; we all have stumbling on our minds. In some cases, a woman can draw a man's attention in a garbage man's uniform. Seriously: I'm fairly sure, in my experience, that women know they're smarter than us and know they can easily control us, in which case, the only Christian thing to do is have some mercy.
 
Posted by Karl (# 76) on :
 
Who was it who said 'Women use sex to get what they want. Men can't do this because sex is what they want'?

Sorry. I'll get me hat and coat on the way out....
 


Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Why not join a church choir (assuming you like singing!) Then you get to wear a long robe which doesn't show anything. It neatly solves the problem of 'goodness, what shall I wear to church this morning/I haven't a thing to wear/ my clothes don't look smart enough for the baptism - wedding - civic service', etc,etc. And it certainly doesn't show your underwear by mistake!
 
Posted by Steve (# 64) on :
 
I remember hearing about about a church where the elders voted to ban the wearing of short skirts, which left nothing to the imagination, in favour of long skirts.

which left EVERYTHING to the imagination.

 


Posted by babybear (# 34) on :
 
I'm sorry, but I can't take this thread seriously. And I may well be responsible for sending it to Hell.

Becky T has posted a grand total of 9 times, all on this thread. This is a wind-up. It is not real at all.

Who cares what "Becky T" wears? I certainly could not care less about any other question that has been asked on the Ship! Anyone can wear what they like, but they have to take the consequences of their clothes wearing decisions.

"Becky T" has shown no interest at all in engaging in any form of discussion. Expel this thread to Hell where all lies should be! Well, either Hell or just delete the thing.

bb

[ grammar, bb. grammar... ]

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Posted by da_musicman (# 1018) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Karl:
Who was it who said 'Women use sex to get what they want. Men can't do this because sex is what they want'?


Think this was on a Frasier episode at least that's where I first heard it.

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Posted by syncopaque (# 610) on :
 
now that this thread is in hell can i say what i've been wanting to say for a while now?...

BECKY T BRINGS ME CLOSER TO OUR GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER

i actually get down on my knees every day and thank Him that women like her exist...
 


Posted by babybear (# 34) on :
 
What? You want to thank God that imaginary women exist? And that these women only care about discussing their skimpy clothing?

Get real. Get a real woman. Real women are much more fun!

bb

p.s. Please feel free to correct any grammatical or spelling mistakes.

[ OK ]

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Posted by sacredthree (# 46) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Moo:
What, exactly, is the response?

Moo


Varies. Mainly a "fine look all you want". Sometimes it gets me in hot water.

Now that this thread is in hell I could reveal my favourite line of all, but I wouldn't want to get into trouble ...

and yes one person on these boards has heard (seen even?) me use this line...
 


Posted by syncopaque (# 610) on :
 
actually, bb, now that i think about it, you're right. i do have a real woman, and she's a whole lot more fun than some chick in a skimpy skirt. especially an imaginary one. and truth be told, my gal has some nighties that are better looking than any imaginary chick's skimpy skirt... !

WOO-HOO!
 


Posted by Septimus (# 500) on :
 
whoa there! don't be so down on imaginary women - I've known some very fine examples in my time; how I would have made it thru adolescence without their support and generosity I'll never know.

I am so glad this thread has been moved to Hell where we can take it a bit more seriously - i think it is a topic which warrants erudite discussion etc etc drones on and on for hours till a passing ra ra skirt wakes him up...
 


Posted by da_musicman (# 1018) on :
 
What about a Christian Boy's Modesty?Why should anyone else get to stop me.If my ra-ra skirts are going to cause my sisters in Christ to stumble. Well Its not my fault they can't resist my gorilla like legs is it? No should I wear the pink or the green tonight.
 
Posted by tomb (# 174) on :
 
This thread has caused me to think of show tunes.

This is not a good sign.

At first, I was thinking of "I am sixteen going on seventeen" from The Sound of Music, but then "There is nothing like a dame" from South Pacific intruded.

And since I have an eidetic memory when it comes to music, I hear Ray Walston singing it to me.

Must.think.of.something.else.

Be that as it may. This is the first time I've really laughed in quite a while.

So thanks, Becky. You may be a troll, but you're sure a fun one. Welcome to hell.

tomb
hellhost
 


Posted by Amos (# 44) on :
 
The tune I'm reminded of is the one that begins "I'm strictly a female female" from that deeply unPC musical "The Flower Drum Song". You know, "I flip when a fella sends me flowers/I drool over dresses made of lace/I talk on the telephone for hours/With a pound and a half of cream upon my face!"
 
Posted by Elizabeth (# 207) on :
 
Ah, yes. "I enjoy being a girl!" Musicals from that era were always so perceptive about our inner motivations. Even when we didn't wear skirts that showed our underwear.

Hell has a salacious thread again, just when we were in recovery from the "Fight, Fight" thread. I'm anticipating some fun reading ahead.
 


Posted by Carmel (# 58) on :
 
This thread has reminded me vividly of those interminable teenage conversations where one friend would monopolize the conversation to tell us what she liked about her appearance and the effect it had on boys, until the rest of us glazed over.

Underwear is not supposed to be visible, unless you are Batman or an exhibitionist. If the latter, here are Carmel's Handy Hints for the Aspiring Female Exhibitionist.

You should always wear black underwear beneath a light, semi-transparent blouse. Not doing so will suggest that you don't have any. You don't want to look disreputable. Also, don't do up all the buttons all the way to the top. You don't want to look boring and repressed either.

Don't bother with wearing a scratchy petticoat beneath a light skirt. You will have problems with it bunching up when you sit down, and will be obliged to fiddle under your skirt to sort it out.

Forget wearing tights, they sag at the crotch, and hauling them up with one hand is a little inelegant. If you can't go without altogether, wear knee-highs instead. You will be obliged to sit a little awkwardly and frequently have to pull your skirt down over your knees, which will of course draw attention to your lower half, but some things can't be helped. And don't forget to fix your hair a lot, tuck back stray strands, etc.

If you get reproving looks from other women, that is because they are jealous. You will see that most of them are much older and less attractive than you. If you get a reproving look from a man, it is simply that you have caused him to consider throwing over his long-established partner for you.

Hope this helps.
 


Posted by Siegfried (# 29) on :
 
If there is any song more representative of the Fifties view of women than "I enjoy being a girl" I can't think of it! I must admit though, that I really like that whole number.
 
Posted by Moo (# 107) on :
 
This reminds me of a news story I heard in the 70's.

A woman wearing a see-through blouse and nothing underneath held up a bank. Afterwards the male teller was unable to describe her face.

Moo
 


Posted by Septimus (# 500) on :
 
She needn't have bothered - just wearing a tight top would have had a similar effect I am sure.

quote:
(by Tomb)So thanks, Becky. You may be a troll, but you're sure a fun one. Welcome to hell.

Why "troll"? are you suggesting that the young lady in question( who shall remain female until proven otherwise - a suitable rule of thumb for any stag night) hides beneath bridges and leaps out on unsuspecting billies, cowering them with the sight of her knees and carting them off to be devoured?

Long live Salacious Threads (wasn't that the name of a 70s glam rock band?)
 


Posted by The Coot (# 220) on :
 
I prefer my women in clerical shirts and waistcoats with black baggy trousers and brogues. Sports jacket may be substituted for waistcoat in the event of cooler weather.

Skimpy skirts turn my gut.
 


Posted by tomb (# 174) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Septimus:
.... Why "troll"? are you suggesting that the young lady in question (who shall remain female until proven otherwise - a suitable rule of thumb for any stag night) hides beneath bridges and leaps out on unsuspecting billies, cowering them with the sight of her knees and carting them off to be devoured?....

LOL!

Modesty prohibits tomb from mentioning a certain Latin phrase coined by St. Augustine to refer to females of a certain toothsome variety. But then, St. A had his "issues."

No, I was referring to the Ship's definition of a troll: someone who posts to annoy or get attention and start a "flame war" instead of for the purpose of engaging in conversation.

As to the other kind of troll, tomb is the only person in hell permitted to groom the hair on his knuckles with a toothbrush. And he only drags people under his rock when they misbehave and annoy him. tomb does not particularly care if they annoy other people.

Granted, tomb has not met David and so does not know how depiliationly-challenged he is. But David is an Administrator in addition to being a hellhost and so works by a different set of Rules.

As to 'frin, well, 'frin is on her honeymoon. Enuf said. When she gets back, she'll re-establish her own set of rules. If they differ from tomb's people will just have to adjust. Talmudic scholars and deconstructionists have been doing it for years. Deal with it.

As to show tunes, damn, tomb feels old. Maurice Chevalier has been cooning "Thank heaven for little girls" into his ear all afternoon and making him cross. tomb saw MC sing it years ago on the Ed Sullivan Show, and the experience has Stuck With Him.

So tomb is going to log off SoF, take his doublebass over to the brewpub across the street, and play bluegrass.

tomb
 


Posted by Astro (# 84) on :
 
The real answer in hell is next time one of those women complain make sure that the time after that when you see her you are not wearing any knickers, then walk up to her and say "As last time we met you were offended at seeing my underware I am not wearing any this time. Look"
and lift up your skirt and show her.
 
Posted by Belisarius (# 32) on :
 
RE "I enjoy being a girl"--I had thought the song was supposed to have a satiric edge--it is sung, after all, by a manipulative, mercenary character. But maybe I'm reading too much into it.
 
Posted by Laura (# 10) on :
 
How about "Whatever Lola Wants, Lola Gets" from Damn Yankees?
 
Posted by Laura (# 10) on :
 
... or "I'm Just a Girl Who Can't Say No!" from Oklahoma!.

Now, of course, Laura, whose musical memory is like tomb's, has the original enthusastic recording probably stuck in her brain for all eternity.

Carmel wrote:

quote:
Forget wearing tights, they sag at the crotch, and hauling them up with one hand is a little inelegant.

And watch it when wearing thongs -- they get stuck in your ass, and discreet removal is extremely indelicate and pointless, because they always ride up again.

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Posted by Belisarius (# 32) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Laura:
... or "I'm Just a Girl Who Can't Say No!" from Oklahoma

<tangent>
There was a hilarious (or so I thought at the time--I was a lot younger) bit on Laugh-In where Ruth Buzzi sings "I'm just a girl who can't say N--...N--...N--..."
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Posted by Benedictus (# 1215) on :
 
Or if you really want to be blunt, there's "Big Spender" from Sweet Charity.

Bene
 


Posted by Erin (# 2) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Astro:
The real answer in hell is next time one of those women complain make sure that the time after that when you see her you are not wearing any knickers, then walk up to her and say "As last time we met you were offended at seeing my underware I am not wearing any this time. Look"
and lift up your skirt and show her.

Excuse me while I VOMIT!! Good God, she's exhibitionist enough as it is, don't give her any more ideas. Which reminds me (now that this thread has left the more charitable realms of Heaven) -- if you're gonna flash your unmentionables to the entire world, shut up when you get some feedback. After all, you clearly WANT people to notice you, right? So don't bitch and moan when they do.
 


Posted by Gill (# 102) on :
 
Karl do you know the joke that goes with that punchline?! (Hat and coat...)

Once saw dave Allen do a sketch where he was a priest and a woman dressed as a nun - they sang, "If you were the only girl in the world, and I were the only man.... NOTHing......" Fade out.

How we laughed back in the Seventies...
 


Posted by da_musicman (# 1018) on :
 
I don't get it.
 
Posted by The Coot (# 220) on :
 
Dave Allen! Ooooh Gill, I think we need a special thread for D.A. reminiscences. Indelibly printed on my mind is the Offertory scene where, as the silver plate made its way from the back to the front of the church, the cash on it slowly mounted up, then diminished until all that was handed over to the sidesperson was a chipped enamel mug.
 
Posted by syncopaque (# 610) on :
 
damusician said
quote:
I don't get it.

neither do i. they must be old. (er)

i would like to take this time to personally take credit for this thread having sunk to lower depths. if you read back thru the history, it was when I began making lewd comments about women that everyone else's bastion of bile began to fly out.

thank you! thank you!!
 


Posted by babybear (# 34) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by syncopaque:
i would like to take this time to personally take credit for this thread having sunk to lower depths.

Get real once again! It was the dear bear who got it thrown out of Heaven. I claim full and total credit!

bb
 


Posted by Carmel (# 58) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by da_musicman:
I don't get it.

Dave Allen is a Catholic. Look at it from a Catholic perspective.
 


Posted by Septimus (# 500) on :
 
What you mean from all the way over here?.... hmm.... yes.

I get it.

Very droll. (shorely "troll"?)
 


Posted by Karl (# 76) on :
 
I love Dave Allen's comment about arriving at his Catholic secondary school. Over the door was this bloke nailed to a cross. And a huge fierce nun came up to him and asked whether he was going to be a good boy. He looked up at the crucifix and thought 'bloody hell, you bet I am!!!'

He also reports the RE lessons 'You crucified Christ! Yes, you, you miserable sinner!' and he thought 'I wasn't there! It wasn't me! Honest!'
 


Posted by Abo (# 42) on :
 
My favourite Dave Allan reminiscence is the short film about the tiny Irish village which had just one plot left in the cemetery ... and the two groups each with a coffin trying to make it there first. I saw it the first time when I was about 12 - I woke up and went to the living room because my parents were laughing so loudly. I got really addicted to the shows from that point on. They were broadcast in English and I think my parents thought my listening abilities would profit from watching
 
Posted by Gill H (# 68) on :
 
You mean Ruth Buzzi wasn't always a loony woman on Sesame Street? I loved her, totally crazy.
 
Posted by Septimus (# 500) on :
 
You see - the only problem with moving a thread from heaven to hell is that all those bad habits move with it; digression, happy smilies, agreement..... cmon people, if you want to talk about unfunny 70s humour (and let's face it that's enough material for a whole site) start another thread or get hellish...

Dave allen is one of those people who have benefitted from the "ironic" ressurection of old fashioned, non-PC humour which have been championed by mags like Loaded (along with bernard manning etc ) desperately trying to give themselves more gravitas/wisdom/experience than a 13 year old boy.

And on the subject of skimpy skirts turning guts - are you completely deranged?
 


Posted by Angel of the North (# 60) on :
 
OK. What about men who wear excessively tight trousers, especially with their belly hanging over the waistband, and hair sprouting out of their navel for the world to see.

Can we do anything about these? If man is made made in God's image, then I'm seriously worried.
 


Posted by Karl (# 76) on :
 
"I use the word 'man' in its widest possible context, of course. As we know, man was made in God's image. It's a sad look-out for Christians across the globe if God looks anything like you, Baldrick"
 
Posted by Laura (# 10) on :
 
Actually, it's thick ear hair that has me deeply concerned. Do fathers teach their sons to trim this stuff? If not fathers, then who?
 
Posted by Carmel (# 58) on :
 
quote:
OK. What about men who wear excessively tight trousers, especially with their belly hanging over the waistband, and hair sprouting out of their navel for the world to see.

Can we do anything about these? If man is made in God's image, then I'm seriously worried.


What about fat elderly women with pendulous breasts that sag down to their navels, and extremely thin youths with appalling acne and no social graces?

I think it's time for a short digression to discuss a Christian Boy's Modesty as suggested by someone else earlier.

A truly modest Christian boy would not wish to provoke lust in anyone. He would not consider going topless in warm weather. He would not wear tight shorts, and when he sat down, would be careful to keep his knees together. His trousers would be suitably long so that there would be no revealing glimpses of ankle. He would not spend time and money having a fashionable haircut or shaving in order to attract attention or approval. And on the beach he would be sure to remain fully dressed at all times, especially when swimming, lest the outlines of his manly person be revealed. Bulky sweaters and a modest anorak would be de rigueur, and suitable for almost all occasions.
 


Posted by Ham 'n' Eggs (# 629) on :
 
Predominately beige, of course.
 
Posted by Simon (# 1) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Carmel:
A truly modest Christian boy would not wish to provoke lust in anyone. He would not consider going topless in warm weather. He would not wear tight shorts, and when he sat down, would be careful to keep his knees together. His trousers would be suitably long so that there would be no revealing glimpses of ankle. He would not spend time and money having a fashionable haircut or shaving in order to attract attention or approval. And on the beach he would be sure to remain fully dressed at all times, especially when swimming, lest the outlines of his manly person be revealed. Bulky sweaters and a modest anorak would be de rigueur, and suitable for almost all occasions.

Could it be that you have just described the young Ian Paisley?
 


Posted by syncopaque (# 610) on :
 
DANG.

just found out for the first time that i'm not a truly modest Christian boy.


 


Posted by Astro (# 84) on :
 
In a biography of Dr Martin Lloyd Jones his grandson recalls how his granfather slways wore a 3 piece suit on the beach. So I suppose that he was a modest christian man.
 
Posted by tomb (# 174) on :
 
tomb would very much like to get off the subjects of Dr. Martin Lloyd Jones and untrimmed ear hair and return to a discussion of modest girls in short skirts.
 
Posted by Ham 'n' Eggs (# 629) on :
 
Do we have any evidence that Becky T is whom she claims to be? I mean REAL evidence? Preferrably photographic...
 
Posted by Angel of the North (# 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by tomb:
tomb would very much like to get off the subjects of Dr. Martin Lloyd Jones and untrimmed ear hair and return to a discussion of modest girls in short skirts.

Angel wouldn't

quote:

Do we have any evidence that Becky T is whom she claims to be? I mean REAL evidence? Preferrably photographic...

Angel misparses this as pornographic, and goes off to hang halo in shame.
 


Posted by Carmel (# 58) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Simon:
Could it be that you have just described the young Ian Paisley?

Ah, that well-known pin-up of many modest Christian girls. Among others.
 


Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 
I would like to disagree with tomb and say that I would prefer this thread to move on to the subject of IMmodest girls in short skirts, perhaps even clad only in swimsuits and high heels. Classy.

Cosmo
 


Posted by syncopaque (# 610) on :
 
according to the fruitcake zone if you wear paisley you are demonic and in need of deliverance.

i agree with tomb, let's get back to what really matters here: immodest Christian girls who don't wear paisley skirts. (or much else)
 


Posted by nicolemrw (# 28) on :
 
no, no! immoedest christian boys wearing skimpy cut off shorts, and tankl tops and...

*ahem*

never mind. i think i got myself under control now.
 


Posted by Siegfried (# 29) on :
 
Now we're getting somewhere!!!
 
Posted by Laura (# 10) on :
 
What about immodest Christian girls who wear floor-length, long-sleeved, high-necked victorian-style Laura Ashley dresses? It's not like it isn't possible to be screamingly inviting in one of these.

Especially without any underwear on.

And long lace-up boots.

Simon, you've found me out. I have a life-size portrait of Ian Paisley in a turn of the century men's bathing costume holding a small water-proofed Bible. Woof! Woof!
 


Posted by Newman's Own (# 420) on :
 
Loved the paisley, Simon. This bizarre thread (so wonderfully nut case) reminds me vaguely of a little pamphlet regarding modesty, probably published in 1920 but still in circulation when I was a kid, which described a lady's "Mary like" clothing in enormous detail, measuring everything in "inches from the pit of the throat" and the like. The dress described when with high button shoes, yet I wondered if any fellow who came across the pamphlet would have had... more need to take a shower because of the descriptions than anything he saw real girls wearing.

True story (and, to catch the full effect, I am what would be called Rubenesque were I tall.. being short, I just look like a tank, but an admittedly very well-dressed one.) I was wearing a shoulder bag with a long strap, crossed over the shoulder, and an outfit that was in really smart sueded rayon (that passes for silk), skirt just above the knee. I did not realise, on my way to Communion, that the strap of the bag had caused one side of my skirt and jacket to rise to the point above the hip...

Oh, well, I hear that is how Marilyn Monroe got started... and I have at least twice what she did. (Were we not in hell, I'd drag the shipmate who commented on pendulous breasts into the inferno!)
 


Posted by Amos (# 44) on :
 
Cosmo, I hope that you've noticed that Laura says "bathing costume" while you quite uncharacteristically say "swimsuit". By the way, does Cosmo wear a three-piece suit on the shingle? (Amos wears a soutane).
 
Posted by Septimus (# 500) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Laura:
What about immodest Christian girls who wear floor-length, long-sleeved, high-necked victorian-style Laura Ashley dresses? It's not like it isn't possible to be screamingly inviting in one of these.

Especially without any underwear on.

And long lace-up boots.


I say! Where on earth did you spring from you gorgeous creature? It gladdens my heart to see someone stand up for the real meaning of L. Ashley.

Bang on!

But yes we cry! Let there be photographs of christian girls, whatever their state of modesty and height of hemline!

Septimus rarely bares his skin to the elements, labouring in the constant hope that "pale and wan" will shortly make a comeback. Fully clothed, hatted, nooked and ginned is my normal approach to summer pastimes.... except those involving long lace up boots...
 


Posted by babybear (# 34) on :
 
Would this be a suitable time to half-remember a Christian Naturist site? No? Oh okay.

bb
 


Posted by Steve (# 64) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Angel of the North:
Angel misparses this as pornographic, and goes off to hang halo in shame.

I'm not sure this was a misparse. More a reading between the lines. You can have your halo back Angel.
 


Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 
As so often, I am wholeheartedly with Septimus here. The Laura Ashley/nympho look is one of the most underrated around. The young women who take up this look in the sixth-form generally carry it through to university and are the panting desire of both the Brideshead Boys and the Dirty Dons. They will often carry this through from university but move on from Laura Ashley (every girls first ballgown) to Droopy and Brown's.

Amos, the usage of the word 'swimsuit' is fraught with difficulties. However in its 'Eurotrash' usage it is permissible as long as one couples it with high heels. Bathing costume is OK but not for men. They, of course, wear bathing drawers.

Cosmo
 


Posted by Astro (# 84) on :
 
I wonder if the Adamites still have any churches left?

They croped up during the Commonwealth period (post-civil war) and believe that you should worship dressed as Adam and Eve were before the fall. I think that they were supressed after the restoration (or maybe died of cold), however perhaps in some obscure Welsh valley they still meet?
 


Posted by Ultraspike (# 268) on :
 
I rather like the tight jeans and t-shirt look, for either sex. It's revealing but still modest. Would like to see a full-length of the Rev. Gezza. The one from the Ned Flanders night is a tease. Looks promising, but need to see more. Can we get one down here?

We had a woman at church for a long time who described herself variously as a Victorian hooker and a gay man trapped in a woman's body. She was also a part-time dominatrix, so her outfits, if you can imagine this combination, certainly livened up the nave.
 


Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 
How splendid! Do you still have her phone number/pictures/address (for reference purposes only of course)?

I hope that she was the Mistress of Ceremonies. It would add a note of professionalism to her religious duties.

Cosmo
 


Posted by Amos (# 44) on :
 
Wow! Ultra! You never told us Madonna went to your church! One of the many RCs to have gone the Canterbury route.

Thanks, by the way, Cosmo--I shan't hear the word "swimsuit" again without thinking "Eurotrash". Does a sash, draped deacon-style across the chest go with the high heels?
 


Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 
Only if you have the sash emblazoned with 'Miss Staggers 2001'. Otherwise the high heels (which should be black but can, on occasion, be white) and the swimsuit should only be paired with the entire make-up counter of Selfridges and the jewellery counter of Harrods (after all, only Eurotrash still shop at Harrods).

Cosmo
 


Posted by Ultraspike (# 268) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo:
How splendid! Do you still have her phone number/pictures/address (for reference purposes only of course)?

I hope that she was the Mistress of Ceremonies. It would add a note of professionalism to her religious duties.

Cosmo


I may have one somewhere and she would certainly love to meet you. She specializes in dog collars. She was indeed an MC and I must admit the sacristy wasn't big enough for both of us. I left for a couple of years and then came back after she left. She's now pursuing her dream of becoming a priest(ess) at another church.
 


Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 
Wonderful! A Mistress in the sanctuary and a Mistress at work. Only in New York or London could such a figure exist (although I suppose Brighton might find a few male equivalents). I could do with her in my sanctuary at the moment. Some of the servers are getting a bit lax and some strictness wouldn't go amiss.

Amos - in re your query to my beach attire. A clergyman is never seen bathing for fear that he might be conducting something as vulgar as a 'beach mission'. He sticks, of course, to a bathing machine.

Cosmo
 


Posted by Laura (# 10) on :
 
Pull yourself together, Septimus. I only wear that outfit for my husband (good man) who deserves all the Laura Ashley his heart desires.

quote:
if you can imagine this combination, certainly livened up the nave.

I'll bet it did.

I was, in my college days, a habitual wearer of the "Annie Hall" (from the movie of that name) style -- men's tweed jackets, shirts, and occasionally, ties, with long skirts or khaki-type trousers. It worked for me...
 


Posted by Laura (# 10) on :
 
quote:
Otherwise the high heels (which should be black but can, on occasion, be white)

Depending on whether it is past Labor Day or before? (What are the cut-off dates in England for white shoes/black shoes?)
 


Posted by tomb (# 174) on :
 
I noticed on another thread that Erin got the white-shoe cut-off date (Labor Day) correct.

I immediately wondered what her beginning date was. No Yankee woman would be caught dead in white shoes before Memorial Day, though a southern female friend tells me that they are suitable anytime after Easter.

noi'mnotreallythatintrestedinwomen'sshoestomb
 


Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 
Black high heels should be worn at all times except when on the Essex coast. Such internationally stylish resorts as Clacton-on-Sea, Southend-on-Sea or Frinton are the haunts of many a whilte stiletto wearing Euro-Babe. Care should be taken that on no account may the feet and legs of the white stiletto clad young woman be covered with either tights, stockings or, indeed, a tan. Bruises, blemishes and cellulite are an integral part of the 'Leigh-on-Sea look'.

Only black high heels may be seen in the sanctuary. Sometimes the priest will even let the servers wear them as well.

Cosmo
 


Posted by Siegfried (# 29) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by tomb:
I noticed on another thread that Erin got the white-shoe cut-off date (Labor Day) correct.

I immediately wondered what her beginning date was. No Yankee woman would be caught dead in white shoes before Memorial Day, though a southern female friend tells me that they are suitable anytime after Easter.

noi'mnotreallythatintrestedinwomen'sshoestomb


I'd always understood it to be Easter--I vaguely recall my grandmother mentioning it once.
 


Posted by Moo (# 107) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Astro:
I wonder if the Adamites still have any churches left?

They croped up during the Commonwealth period (post-civil war) and believe that you should worship dressed as Adam and Eve were before the fall. I think that they were supressed after the restoration (or maybe died of cold), however perhaps in some obscure Welsh valley they still meet?


There is what is supposed to be a true story about the poet Blake and his wife.

Someone went to visit them one day. No one answered the door, but he could hear someone in the back yard, so he went there.

He found Blake and his wife completely nude. Embarrassed, the visitor started to withdraw apologetically. Blake said, "Oh that's all right. There's no one here but Adam and Eve."

Moo
 


Posted by Amos (# 44) on :
 
Yes, Moo, and the vicar who objected to Jerusalem at a wedding, brought in that detail to demonstrate the questionable morality of Mr. Blake!

I trust, Cosmo, that you can find a sturdy bathing-machine at Clacton-on-Sea, within which you can take healthy recreation while viewing the bruised and pock-marked gams winkle-picking their way along the beach to the chippie.
 


Posted by Septimus (# 500) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Laura:
Pull yourself together, Septimus. I only wear that outfit for my husband (good man) who deserves all the Laura Ashley his heart desires.

having taken your sound advice and feeling suitably calmed and relaxed as a result, you have nothing further to fear from my imagination, I assure you madam.

I think, though that something should be said regarding that wonderfully magical type of skirt that is only short when a girl is sitting down.... rather deadly when combined with the briefest glimpse of stocking.... damn and blast there goes my equilibrium....
 


Posted by Hooker's Trick (# 89) on :
 
I believe Ronnie Knox used to bathe regularly in the private swimming pools of his titled patrons, so perhaps all is not lost for Fr Cosmo (tho the thought of Cosmo at Clacton is very intruiging. It sounds like a musical comedy of a certain vintage, does it not:

Cosmo at Clacton).

Of course, you could make it sound like quite another thing altogether by calling it

Cosmo does Clacton.

HT

Now where the hell did that modest Christian girl get to?
 


Posted by babybear (# 34) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Hooker's Trick:
Now where the hell did that modest Christian girl get to?

Quite frankly, she never existed!

bb
 


Posted by Septimus (# 500) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Hooker's Trick:
I believe Ronnie Knox used to bathe regularly in the private swimming pools of his titled patrons, so perhaps all is not lost for Fr Cosmo (tho the thought of Cosmo at Clacton is very intruiging. It sounds like a musical comedy of a certain vintage, does it not:

Cosmo at Clacton).

Of course, you could make it sound like quite another thing altogether by calling it

Cosmo does Clacton.

HT

Now where the hell did that modest Christian girl get to?


"Cosmo does clacton" caused uproar when it first appeared on a mutoscope at Clacton pier... the Times of the day desrcibed it as "a particularly vile and degfrading penny-in-a-slot whose removal could only serve the public good"

Septimus is drinking: Jacksons of Picadilly
 


Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 
I think that Cosmo will be able to resist the delights of the good maidens of Clacton and will restrict his custody of the eyes to Ultraspike's Mistress. I have no desire to become the modern-day version of the Rector of Stiffkey (not enjoying the company of lionesses - except, of course, Cosima in a bad mood) nor be the star of a praxinoscopic 'penny dreadful' onanistic spectacle.

I hope that Septimus has recovered slightly from his relapse. I suggest he puts his attention towards recalling those happy but seemingly so far-off university days where 'Annie Hall' dressalikes were the stuff of legend let alone the Laura Ashley clad nymphette. They all seem to be in black nowadays anyway. Perhaps they just want to be in control.

Cosmo is drinking: Tropicana orange juice mixed with Jacobs Creek Sparkling Chardonnay with a dollop of Cointreau in it. A good bracer to start the day.

Cosmo
 


Posted by Carmel (# 58) on :
 
I still have a rather nice Laura Ashley dress (navy with small white flowers) which buttons all the way up the front, from hem to neck. I used to wear this to formal dinners, and the buttons used to intrigue male companions (poor sad creatures).

However, as nobody has invited me to formal dinners for some years, I have not had a chance to wear this for a while.

I feel I should say it is not at all the kind of thing I normally wear.
 


Posted by Tina (# 63) on :
 
I'm still puzzling over Cosmo's remark that tights or stockings are never worn with white stilettos. Surely the look lends itself to gorgeous and realistic 'natural tan' hosiery? Of course, there's always ankle socks...
 
Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 
I think that ankle bracelets are more likely than ankle socks. 'Tan' hosiery is occasionally seen on the legs of a 'Chigwell Corker' but, as I said before, the look is best enhanced by as many bruises, blemishes and cellulite patterns as possible. In this way there is a fine distinction between the brilliant white of the stiletto and the lividness of the leg marks.

That being said the 'Billericay Brunette' may, in order to show the 'Harlow Harlot' who has the most cash and thus classiness, may eschew the white stiletto for the black. This would be worn with, mirabile dictu, black tights (tho' usually stockings), a skirt just above the knees and a Krystal Carrington-style jacket with shoulder pads jutting out some six inches. Hair, of course, is big. This is the usual outfit of the 'Billericay Brunette' as she ventures out of a Friday Evening to the 'Rumours Niteclub and Entertainment Center' in Epping.

Cosmo
 


Posted by Carmel (# 58) on :
 
Cosmo has clearly made a detailed study of the wildlife of the area. I look forward to his forthcoming book on Birdspotting in Essex.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
thank goodness we have not been forced into ecumenical unity with the christian naturists organisation (see fruitcake archive): otherwise we would all have to go around 'clothed only in righteousness' - fellas as well as girls. Mostly not a pretty sight!
 
Posted by Alaric the Goth (# 511) on :
 
quote:
good maidens of Clacton

Maidens plural? ????
 


Posted by Amos (# 44) on :
 
The Wise Virgins of Billericay wear hold-ups; the Foolish Virgins tend towards stockings and suspender-belt.
 
Posted by tomb (# 174) on :
 
Something tells me this thread is going to grow to rival "Gin" someday.

BeckyT come back! Tell us what you're wearing today!

tomb
 


Posted by Ultraspike (# 268) on :
 
Did anyone ever really see anything in shiny black patten leather shoes or was that just wishful thinking?
 
Posted by CharlottePlatz (# 695) on :
 
I'm worried in case Becky T DOES come back....her spelling just about drove me insane....

[Similar to yours, Charlotte? Fixed typo]

[ 27 September 2001: Message edited by: tomb ]
 


Posted by Ultraspike (# 268) on :
 
I can't figure out how to create a link, but try this for some instructional examples: Frahm Art

[Added link title]

[ 27 September 2001: Message edited by: tomb ]
 


Posted by Astro (# 84) on :
 
quote:
Did anyone ever really see anything in shiny black patten leather shoes or was that just wishful thinking?

Well reflections of a girl's underware for one. Or is it only the Headmistresses of a certain type of posh school that baned shiney black patten leather shoes who can see knickers relected in them.
 


Posted by madkaren (# 1033) on :
 
am I unusual in wearing jeans and DM's when on the beach in Clacton??

MadKaren
 


Posted by nicolemrw (# 28) on :
 
ok, look, this is getting out of hand. i want, and i think seigfried will join me in this, to hear more about some nice hunky modest christian boys.

do any of 'em wear suits and ties to church any more? nicely fitted to a nicely shapped body?

there was a young man in my church who was going to the merchant marine acadamey, and wore his dress uniform every week. but he graduated in june and isn't around any more.
 


Posted by Septimus (# 500) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by tomb:
Something tells me this thread is going to grow to rival "Gin" someday.

BeckyT come back! Tell us what you're wearing today!

tomb


The scene: a long sloping beach; in the foreground a group of christian girls crouch solefully (but modestly), a mixture of ra-ra skirts and laura ashley dresses with a smattering of ill-advised swimsuit/high heel combos.. over the nearest dune shambles a perkily striped bathing machine, from within comes the voice of a man confident in his finery.

Cosmo (for it is he): Who is Becky T?

A girl stands up (wearing a ra-ra and one too many petticoats): I'm Becky T!!

There is a pause. Cosmo looks momemtarily elated. Then. Further along the group another girl stands (wearing a slightly longer ra-ra): I'm Becky T!!

etc etc etc

Septimus is drinking: Bombay S.,L. & T.
 


Posted by Amos (# 44) on :
 
I've seen some beautifully turned-out Modest Christian Boys in my time, with shoes polished to a fare-thee-well, but they were all looking for Foolish Virgins.
 
Posted by babybear (# 34) on :
 
Well, I can let you all into a lovely secret. Our very own Starbelly is the very model of a lovely, modest Christian young man. He even polishes his DMs. And he is definitely not looking for foolish young virgins..... just imagine what Mrs Starbelly would say!

bb
 


Posted by Hooker's Trick (# 89) on :
 
But does starbelly wear suits nicely-fitted to his nicely-shaped body? This seems to be the key to nicole's interest.

Cosmo -- I am growing suspicious at the conversational familiarity you seem to possess with Essex after dark. Perhaps it was missionary activity. I will not speculate as to what sort of missionary activities Fr Cosmo participated in in Essex.

Oh, and you should never drink sparkling Chardonnay -- even with orange juice in it.

HT -- who is not drinking because he is at work (if only they let me DRINK here), but certainly will. The temperature is growing fresher so it's tanquerray martini time.
 


Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 
You don't seriously think that I should be polluting some decent fizz with orange juice do you, even at 9 o'clock in the morning, and when I am on my own? Sparkling chardonnay is indeed the devil's fizz but with a lump of cointreau and some OJ it slips down quite well.

Essex is one of those wonderful counties (Yorkshire and Somerset also come to mind) where only the most flimsy of dealings enables one to speak with complete conviction. My missionary (and other) activities are confined solely to the limits of Routemaster bus timetables.

Cosmo
 


Posted by The Coot, Sacred and Profane (# 220) on :
 
Septimus, my dear. Your fantasies are far to femmy for my liking. Can't you just, you know, squeeze in a wee bit of butch? I'll take teenage chinese boys dressed in leather if I have to. Is it too much to ask for some girlies snappily dressed in a suit or 2, boots or even a bit of denim? Oh my. Must fly. Off to be a fawning puppy over lunch with such a one dressed in a clerical shirt and collar.

Cosmo the Rootmaster is it?
 


Posted by Siegfried (# 29) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ultraspike:
I can't figure out how to create a link, but try this for some instructional examples: Frahm Art

Just to explain, since I don't see how we got from where we were to this, Art Frahm was a well-known commercial artist in the Forties and Fifties. He also had an interesting fetish--he had a thing for drawing women whose panties had just fallen down. Usually while holding a bag of groceries. With a bunch of celery showing. You have to go to the site to believe this.
 


Posted by babybear (# 34) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Coot, Sacred and Profane:
Is it too much to ask for some girlies snappily dressed in a suit or 2, boots or even a bit of denim?

Erm, why would any girly want to be dressed in two suits? Am I missing something kinky here?

bb
 


Posted by Septimus (# 500) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Coot, Sacred and Profane:
Septimus, my dear. Your fantasies are far to femmy for my liking. Can't you just, you know, squeeze in a wee bit of butch? I'll take teenage chinese boys dressed in leather if I have to. Is it too much to ask for some girlies snappily dressed in a suit or 2, boots or even a bit of denim? Oh my. Must fly. Off to be a fawning puppy over lunch with such a one dressed in a clerical shirt and collar.

Cosmo the Rootmaster is it?


My dear old bird... femme is the new butch, didn't you know? more to the point, since when have be-leathered chinese teens been butch?

As far as my fantasies go, I am sorry to admit that they are tiresomely traditional, rarely deserving the phreudian prefix... the thing is when one has led such a debauched and fulfilled youth as as I have, ones fantasies become a place of restful ease rather than rabelasian excitement...

Septimus is drinking: Rose's Lime C.
 


Posted by Carmel (# 58) on :
 
Can we get back to discussing immodest Christian boys now? I don't feel they have had enough exposure.
 
Posted by tomb (# 174) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Septimus:

... the thing is when one has led such a debauched and fulfilled youth as as I have, ones fantasies become a place of restful ease rather than rabelasian excitement...



Sir, you have my deepest sympathies.

tomb

[ 28 September 2001: Message edited by: tomb ]
 


Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Angel of the North:
OK. What about men who wear excessively tight trousers, especially with their belly hanging over the waistband, and hair sprouting out of their navel for the world to see.

Can we do anything about these? If man is made made in God's image, then I'm seriously worried.


I know I'm a bit late responding to this, but I can't believe no one mentioned that classic "low-slung blue-jeans falling off the fat behind of a guy bending over and displaying a large measure of butt-crack". Perhaps this is only an American male trait?
One sees it everywhere, construction workers, guys working on cars in driveways, guys doing yardwork, sometimes even on guys just walking around.
And I never realized it before, but never in my life have I seen this happen on a guy with a NICE ass!

The memories are making me faint; I had better lie down. And there's no gin in the house!
 


Posted by Spike (# 36) on :
 
jlg

Not it's not unique to America. OVer here it's often referred to as "builsers cleavage"
 


Posted by Amos (# 44) on :
 
Modest Christian boys do not display "builders' cleavage". Even the most jaded of Christian girls avert their eyes from it.
Return, Cosmo, and give us a rundown of the London guys and dolls.
 
Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 
It all depends on area, on occupation, time of day/week, so many things. Where would you like me to start? I wouldn't wish to make rash generalizations.

Cosmo
 


Posted by Septimus (# 500) on :
 
Cosmo (or should I say Juanita? I suppose it depends who is in) perhaps you could allo me to kick off for you with the Clapham Chatterers, or rather their male cousins the Battersea Brayers.

Resplendent in bringht red courdroy from Gieves, these perfectly scuplted (chins aside) specimins of christian manhood are easily identified by their booming (some would say barking) calls to each other outside the church and their quite stunningly prayerful silence once within.

They can also be asily discerned, if unattached (a rare state of affairs), by a small group of slyly circling Chatterers who, able to detect one part Aston Martin in 4 million parts air, are constantly vigilant for a suitable investor.... ahem....partner.

Septimus is drinking: black, black coffee
 


Posted by Amos (# 44) on :
 
I was about to suggest that Cosmo begin at the beginning, continue until he's breathless, and then pause. Perhaps you might start with the bits you know best. I live in hope that this is not Bushey. And if any other London twitchers were prepared to join in...well, we might get somewhere.

We might, for instance, get jen's evocation of the New Hampshire Butt Crack, goosepimpled with the cold, out of our minds' eyes. To be fair, and to avoid getting into the NH/VT dispute, I understand that the said cleavage is even more dismaying in the Northeast Kingdom.
 


Posted by sacredthree (# 46) on :
 
I met a very nice young man the other night, who asked what I did. "Parish Pastoral Assistant" I replied. "Oh," he said "Your not one of those types are you?", "no I replied, more bells and smells .." His frown broadened to smile, maybe even with a wink "Really, I'm rather fond of all that myself" ... Then (alas) his boyfriend came back from the bar (a good friend of mine - the boyfriend, not the bar, well okay both) and gave me that scowl, you know the: "keep your married bi-curious, thurible swinging hands off my man" scowl.

The nice young man was wearing tightish jeans, smart shoes and a nice jumper. Next time I see him I will talk to him further about the ordained ministry.
 


Posted by tomb (# 174) on :
 
quote:
by sacredthree
... "keep your married bi-curious, thurible swinging hands off my man" scowl ...

A statement worthy of the "famous Ship of Fools posts" archive.
 


Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 
And you say that you will probably go to Westcott House rather than Staggers or Mirfield you little bi-curious you? Hmmm....

Today I came across (as it were) a prime example of the 'Clapham Cutie'. A CC is usually single, with brown hair which she likes to keep quite short (but not so short that she is mistaken for one of the numerous Clapham Lipstick Lesbians). She wears good, trad, slightly girly clothes to work (usually in some kind of PR capacity or perhaps as an estate agent) bought from Jigsaw, Mango and Zara. Lots of skirts and shirts from Thomas Pink. Trousers on Fridays and when winter begins. At weekends she wears Monsoon or Gap if going out to the country for a walk or a house-party. Otherwise she has a secret stash of M&S and H&M which she wears about the flat. She has no religion. Some of her old schoolfriends go to HTB or St Mark's Battersea but she finds all that arm waving and guitar playing too embarassing. She likes High Church stuff when she goes at Christmas and Easter (especially the music and the incense) and finds the priest really funny but she was told by a friend that all the men there are gay and if there is one thing the Clapham Cutie wants it is a man (she already has a plethora of gay male friends) so she stays away. Eventually she will marry and end up in Wandsworth or perhaps move out to the suburbs and end up wearing a mixture of Country Casuals and Gap. She would love to be a ladette or experiance a secret lesbian fling but can't.

Cosmo
 


Posted by sacredthree (# 46) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo:
And you say that you will probably go to Westcott House rather than Staggers or Mirfield you little bi-curious you? Hmmm....
Cosmo

Alas my wife being of a less elated churchmanship than myself would not enjoy (could not endure?) such things. Given a choice I would dispear to Mirfield never to return but my monastic tendacies are thwarted by being married to a wonderful woman who keeps me in line. It's why Anglicans don't need a Pope; our clergy have spouses.
 


Posted by Hooker's Trick (# 89) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo:
[QB] She wears good, trad, slightly girly clothes to work (usually in some kind of PR capacity or perhaps as an estate agent) bought from Jigsaw, Mango and Zara.[QB]

I do believe the good Father has been reading rather too extensively in the glossy bits of the Sunday Times.

But adding these Clapham observations to the Essex ones (above) I believe our Fr Cosmo has a second career in somcial commentary or personal shopping.

HT [why am I frightened that several of my friends fit quite neatly the "CC" description? They all have their man, tho, and have moved to cheeky little flats in Putney]
 




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