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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 25 May, 2009 08:45 :
 
Its coming soon.

I wondered if people would like to talk about it - what u do,
when you keep it,
if you keep it at all,
if not why not

Anyone do it different? (Powerpoint and praise songs?)

[ 29. August 2009, 11:37: Message edited by: dj_ordinaire ]
 

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Posted by Bishops Finger (# 5430) on 25 May, 2009 10:38 :
 
We now have a Wednesday evening service, so we are taking the opportunity to start our Corpus Christi celebrations with a Holy Hour and Benediction on the eve.

No service on the Thursday at our place chiz chiz chiz, as we do as Rome does (IIRC) and have the celebration on Sunday instead. Usual Sunday Mass with lots of eucharistic hymns! Some will go in the afternoon to Procession + Benediction at one of the main FiF churches in the diocese, I expect.

Ian J.
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on 25 May, 2009 10:40 :
 
8:30am Eucharistic Adoration
9am Mass - The Body and Blood of Jesus

6:30pm Ecumenical Worship - Sing a new Song to the Lord


It's gonna be a busy day!


Max.
 

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Posted by Sarum Sleuth (# 162) on 25 May, 2009 10:44 :
 
Low Mass at noon using red vestments at ours.

SS
 

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on 25 May, 2009 10:48 :
 
If the Ascension (kept on Thursday) was anything to go by, it'll be an evening Low Mass. There's a High Mass elsewhere we're encouraged to attend but my lunchbreak isn't long enough to go!

Thurible
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 25 May, 2009 11:47 :
 
A big feature of Corpus Christi is the outdoor procession. Do you do one? I guess from all the talk of low masses the answer is no

Oh dear.
 

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Posted by Saint Chad (# 5645) on 25 May, 2009 12:08 :
 

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8:30am Eucharistic Adoration
9am Mass - The Body and Blood of Jesus

6:30pm Ecumenical Worship - Sing a new Song to the Lord


It's gonna be a busy day!

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Originally posted by Max.:
8:30am Eucharistic Adoration
9am Mass - The Body and Blood of Jesus

6:30pm Ecumenical Worship - Sing a new Song to the Lord


It's gonna be a busy day!

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On the day, or transferred à la mode?

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Originally posted by Max.:
8:30am Eucharistic Adoration
9am Mass - The Body and Blood of Jesus

6:30pm Ecumenical Worship - Sing a new Song to the Lord


It's gonna be a busy day!

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On the day, or transferred à la mode?

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Originally posted by Laetare:
I was chatting to my mate online about S Alnas, Holborn and theres a special festival their this year for Corpus Christi time.

Here is the link. It looks good doesnt it?

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Originally posted by Laetare:
What makes worship poncey Max.?

Actually I agree with you now I look again - but I still wonder what the answer to the question is.

I've also been told this is an anti-women priest rally.

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Well, obviously it's when poncing people ponce about in a poncey way
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 25 May, 2009 17:46 :
 
I guess it is obvious Max.

Now:
What hymns or songs would you all like sung for a Corpus Christi Mass you might go to?
 

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Posted by Gildas (# 525) on 25 May, 2009 17:47 :
 
I've managed to persuade our lot that it would be a good excuse for a summer party so we're keeping it on the day for the first time! It's not exactly Shrine of Dagon stuff - one server who doubles as Crucifer and MC and the Ave Verum Corpus sung as a communion anthem by some of the parishoners who remember the good old days when we had a choir but we have to start somewhere. Hopefully the more backslidden members of the PCC will turn up and hear my sermon on "Why It Is Important To Be A Regular Communicant".
 

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Posted by St.Silas the carter (# 12867) on 25 May, 2009 17:50 :
 
Solemn concelebrated mass at 12:15 on the Sunday, with a eucharistic procession around the neighborhood afterwards, with the customary three benediction stations. There are rumours of a full choral mass setting .
here are two photos from last year's procession.
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on 25 May, 2009 17:58 :
 

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I guess it is obvious Max.

Now:
What hymns or songs would you all like sung for a Corpus Christi Mass you might go to?

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Originally posted by Laetare:
What makes worship poncey Max.?

Actually I agree with you now I look again - but I still wonder what the answer to the question is.

I've also been told this is an anti-women priest rally.

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Originally posted by Laetare:
I guess it is obvious Max.

Now:
What hymns or songs would you all like sung for a Corpus Christi Mass you might go to?

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In no particular order
The splendour of the King , Holy is the Lord , Jesus be the Centre , O Christ be the Centre of our lives , Down in Adoration , Lay it Down


Max.

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Please max. what hymn book do you use to get those from.
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on 25 May, 2009 18:36 :
 
Spring Harvest, Soul Survivor, The Source, Songs of Fellowship and the Kingsway PDF Music Store.
Worship leaders such as myself tend to "accumulate" a lot of worship music too... if you know what I mean Usually happens when I'm playing in other Church bands.


Max.
 

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Posted by St.Silas the carter (# 12867) on 25 May, 2009 18:41 :
 

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[QB]

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What hymns or songs would you all like sung for a Corpus Christi Mass you might go to? [/QllB]

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I would really love to have "One bread, one body" but am not holding my breath.

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Originally posted by LQ:
I would really love to have "One bread, one body" but am not holding my breath.

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Thats not one I know LQ.

I like Jesus in thy dear Scarament as well.

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I would really love to have "One bread, one body" but am not holding my breath.

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Thats not one I know LQ.

I like Jesus in thy dear Scarament as well.

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You need to get out more. (To youtube)

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I want to make a witty comment, but I can't think of one.

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here are two photos from last year's procession.

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Why is the thurifer in front of the procession, instead of facing the Blessed Sacrament?

 

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Posted by Cyprian (# 5638) on 25 May, 2009 19:24 :
 
Is it not the case the the thurifers usually cense the way for the sacrament rather than the sacrament itself?

That said, we did see a little bit of backward walking at the Nat. Shrine of the IC on Maundy Thursday, didn't we? Was that just something they chose to do or is it actually stipulated anywhere?
 

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Posted by St.Silas the carter (# 12867) on 25 May, 2009 19:27 :
 

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Originally posted by St.Silas the carter:
here are two photos from last year's procession.

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Why is the thurifer in front of the procession, instead of facing the Blessed Sacrament?

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Dominicans or Augustinian Canons Regular?


Max.

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Neither.
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on 25 May, 2009 19:41 :
 
Ah - Augustinian Lineage though


Max.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 25 May, 2009 20:22 :
 

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I would really love to have "One bread, one body" but am not holding my breath.

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Thats not one I know LQ.

I like Jesus in thy dear Scarament as well.

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You need to get out more. (To youtube)

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I've also been told this is an anti-women priest rally.

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We're then going to have a sermon about how female priests make the sacramental presence of Jesus Christ.

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Ha Ha! Thurible.

Seriously though, will there be women priests taking part - will the gathering be respecting that there is two integrities ion the C of E?

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I thought we might have a Sacrament Awareness Day!

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I am continually amazed that in my city where the Catholic Cathedral is named for the Blessed Sacrament that they have no Procession

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Originally posted by Saint Chad:
Max. is there a reason why you mix-and-match Mass settings, or is it just "worship leader's" whimsy?

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CBS rally

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Max. is there a reason why you mix-and-match Mass settings, or is it just "worship leader's" whimsy?

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Because the Gloria from the Mass of Glory is quite difficult to sing for a congregation.
The Agnus Dei is not as nice as the one from the Mass of St Timothy.
And the Gospel Acclamation actually makes use of the verse, the Mass of Glory does not.

It's not a worship leader's whimsy, it's a case of tailoring the music at the Eucharist to the community's needs.


Max.

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Originally posted by Saint Chad:
Max. is there a reason why you mix-and-match Mass settings, or is it just "worship leader's" whimsy?

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Because the Gloria from the Mass of Glory is quite difficult to sing for a congregation..

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Originally posted by Patrick the less saintly:
Of course, dear Max's Church has an infamous aversion to Latin as well, which limits Mass settings as it is.

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Originally posted by Laetare:
Its coming soon.

I wondered if people would like to talk about it - what u do,
when you keep it,
if you keep it at all,
if not why not

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Originally posted by Patrick the less saintly:

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Originally posted by Max.:

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Originally posted by Saint Chad:
Max. is there a reason why you mix-and-match Mass settings, or is it just "worship leader's" whimsy?

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Because the Gloria from the Mass of Glory is quite difficult to sing for a congregation..

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Well, you know, there is a perfectly valid alternative to a congregational singalong for that very reason. I'm pretty sure that exactly none of the Mass settings we use at ASMS could be used if we insisted on making the congregation sing them.

Of course, dear Max's Church has an infamous aversion to Latin as well, which limits Mass settings as it is.

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Some more new stuff - alt. worship Corpus Christi would be interesting.

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But no young girls scattering rose petals so far...

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A mate of mine goes sometimes to St Albans, Holborn. Theyre doin a Mass for Copus Christi with procession but i dont know if its outdoor.

Here is the link.

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Originally posted by Laetare:


Is there anywhere that has the procession separate from Mass, I've heard it is done - like at that CBS rally, but what about churches - do any do it not afetr Mas - say on the SDunday afternoon or what have you.

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Exeter Cathedral is hosting the Diocesan Corpus Christi Festival on the Saturday. The mass is at 11am and then after lunch there is exposition, outdoor procession and Benediction.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 27 May, 2009 22:16 :
 
That sounds fab to me. Is it a concelebrated Mass too I'm wondering.

It would be great to hear how it goes.

I've heard some places dont have the procession on the day but in the (non-existent ) octave.
 

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Posted by Stranger in a strange land (# 11922) on 27 May, 2009 23:58 :
 
No, it is not a concelebrated Mass so that it can be attended by both those who believe that women can/should be ordained priest and those who don't.
 

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Posted by Pancho (# 13533) on 28 May, 2009 16:03 :
 
Hopefully my place will have a procession and Benediction after the principal Masses of the day, as it has in previous years. My diocese observes Corpus Christi on Sunday.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 28 May, 2009 22:24 :
 
Gosh Pancho does that mean theres a procession etc after more than one Mass on Corpus Christi Sunday, I wonder if they go outside?

I've heard some places have a procession with a brass or other type of band. All outside with people dressed up. That sounds so cool.
 

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Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on 28 May, 2009 22:47 :
 
Corpus Christi outdoor processions almost seem to have disappeared at least up here in Scotland.At one time they would have been common in almost every parish,usually on the Sunday after Corpus Christi and sometimes venturing on to the public streets.

You'll still find them in almost every town in Asutria and Bavaria. In my own town in Austria there is one from the cathedral on Corpus Christi day and one from the parish church on the following Sunday.

In modern times probably Poland provides the largest numbers participating at public processions of the Blessed Sacrament.
 

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Posted by Quam Dilecta (# 12541) on 29 May, 2009 02:18 :
 
Perhaps some of Forthview's Scots have emigrated to the New World. Last year I participated in a Corpus Christi procession which was accompanied by a piper.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 29 May, 2009 08:06 :
 
Its a shame about the outdoor procession. It must ahve been a big feature in loads of places, in fact I think it must have been THE feature of Corpus Christi.

When else was their a procession of the Blessed Sacrament outdoors done with joy and fun like this in the church's year?

Its a good witness going outside of the colour and fun of Catholic churches.
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on 29 May, 2009 08:51 :
 
But Laetare... is it inclusive? Does the tat actually further divide the Churched and the Unchurched?

Is it really a good witness or does it just make high church people look more poncy to the outside world?


Max.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 29 May, 2009 09:12 :
 
Interestin view max. thanks for it. I'd not thought of it. I agree some of this can be very poncey, mind you some Anglican vicars in their MOTR churches are dead fat and poncey too.

Maybe an outside picnic after Mass on Corpus Christi would work better.
 

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Posted by angelicum (# 13515) on 29 May, 2009 09:29 :
 
If good witness is about being popular/fitting in with the world, then Christ must have been an awful witness. He was unpopular and disliked and rejected enough that he was shunned, beaten, and crucified. So to the early Church martyrs (witness). They surely weren't fitting in. I bet the world must have thought them rather strange and odd as well. Strange enough to feed them to the lions/hang/boil in a vat of oil anyway.

"If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you."
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on 29 May, 2009 15:49 :
 

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Interestin view max. thanks for it. I'd not thought of it. I agree some of this can be very poncey, mind you some Anglican vicars in their MOTR churches are dead fat and poncey too.

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I never had you down as a fattist!


Max.
 

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Posted by Ashworth (# 12645) on 29 May, 2009 23:36 :
 
Slightly off topic I know but....
If only I could find a poncey Anglo-Catholic Church that doesn't have women priests but has the sort of music that Max would choose!

Seriously it becomes more and more frustrating to be a charismatic member of Forward in Faith.

Perhaps my church is not that bad. It isn't FinF but has passed Resolutions A and B.
I don't know what we shall be singing for Corpus Christi but I do know what we are doing for Petecost. Not perhaps quite as adventurous as Max would do but not quite New English Hymnal

Music for Pentecost Parish Mass will be:
Holy Spirit, we welcome you, Spirit of the living God, Come Holy Ghost, our souls inspire, Come down O love divine, Breathe on me breath of God and For I'm building a people of power.
Gloria - Mike Anderson (Clap hands)
Sanctus, Benedictus etc - The Gathering Mass
Agnus Dei - Paul Inwood.

Even with all that we do like to be a bit poncey!
 

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Posted by LQ (# 11596) on 29 May, 2009 23:40 :
 

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If only I could find a poncey Anglo-Catholic Church that doesn't have women priests but has the sort of music that Max would choose!

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Gloria - Mike Anderson (Clap hands)

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For good or ill, I have held the guitar that was used to compose this.
 

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Posted by Angloid (# 159) on 30 May, 2009 12:19 :
 

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I don't know what we shall be singing for Corpus Christi but I do know what we are doing for Petecost.

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I know it's naughty to make fun of other people's typos, but I couldn't help wondering if that's been established as an official feast in the Willesden Episcopal Area.

(On second thoughts, perhaps the good bishop has launched a chain of discount co-operative minimarkets.)

[ 30. May 2009, 11:21: Message edited by: Angloid ]
 

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Posted by Bishops Finger (# 5430) on 30 May, 2009 17:52 :
 
I've just spotted on their website that Rochester Cathedral is observing the 'Day of Thanksgiving for the Institution of Holy Communion' on Thursday with a Choral Eucharist at the (for me) rather awkward hour of 5.30pm i.e. in place of the usual Evensong.

At least they're making the effort, though I doubt if there will be a procession of the Most Blessed Sacrament..........

(There might be incense, though..... )

Ian J.
 

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Posted by ken (# 2460) on 31 May, 2009 11:48 :
 

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[. I've been looking all over for a parish where I can find High Mass offered by a female priest in a biretta and maniple.

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I suspect that Pete knows of a few in London. A bit far to commute from Canada maybe.
 

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Posted by Saint Hedrin the Lesser-Known (# 11399) on 31 May, 2009 15:59 :
 
We used to be between MOTR And nosebleed high... but I do not recall any Corpus Christi celebrations in my current shack. I suppose there'll be the usual Thursday Eucharist at 0900....

Then again, with the current interim, our cred for anything high has gone down.
 

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Posted by Saint Chad (# 5645) on 01 June, 2009 09:36 :
 

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Gloria - Mike Anderson (Clap hands)

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For good or ill, I have held the guitar that was used to compose this.

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Matthew 5:30.
 

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Posted by New Yorker (# 9898) on 01 June, 2009 14:06 :
 
Is there a special name for the canopy that is used in Corpus Christi processions? And, where does one obtain one?
 

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on 01 June, 2009 14:07 :
 
U/ombrellino.

Thurible
 

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Posted by J Whitgift (# 1981) on 01 June, 2009 14:17 :
 

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I've been looking all over for a parish where I can find High Mass offered by a female priest in a biretta and maniple.

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I suspect that Pete knows of a few in London. A bit far to commute from Canada maybe.

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They could try St. Paul's, Deptford. Whilst there is no female Priest on the staff, they are inclusive and regularly use Birettas, Maniples and Fiddleback Chasuables at Mass.

The Priest there, Fthr Paul Butler, is a friend and it is where I shall hopefully be fulfilling my Corpus Christi obligation.
 

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on 01 June, 2009 14:32 :
 

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U/ombrellino.

Thurible

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Fthr

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Typo or new-and-inclusive-usage-to-avoid 'Mr'?

Thurible

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Fthr

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Typo or new-and-inclusive-usage-to-avoid 'Mr'?

Thurible

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Neither, just shorthand for 'Father' - hardly an attempt at Inclusivity.

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I just call it a canopy.

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That doesn't go anywhere.
 

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on 02 June, 2009 11:05 :
 
How irritating - it's Russian for canopy.

Thurible
 

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Posted by J Whitgift (# 1981) on 02 June, 2009 11:23 :
 

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Typo or new-and-inclusive-usage-to-avoid 'Mr'?

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Neither, just shorthand for 'Father' - hardly an attempt at Inclusivity.

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Fair enough. Surely 'Fr' is standard? (By 'Mr' I was highlighting the awkwardness of abbreviating 'Mother' in such a way - hence, I assume, why it's often abbreviated as Mthr.)

Thurible

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Neither, just shorthand for 'Father' - hardly an attempt at Inclusivity.

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Fair enough. Surely 'Fr' is standard? (By 'Mr' I was highlighting the awkwardness of abbreviating 'Mother' in such a way - hence, I assume, why it's often abbreviated as Mthr.)

Thurible

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True enough ... my mistake, therefore, for over egging the pie with the 'TH'.

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Originally posted by Ashworth:
If only I could find a poncey Anglo-Catholic Church that doesn't have women priests but has the sort of music that Max would choose!

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I know how you feel. I've been looking all over for a parish where I can find High Mass offered by a female priest in a biretta and maniple.

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Originally posted by Laetare:
I think some places use a kind of yellow unbrella to cover the Blessed Sacrament. I'm not mening the old fashioned one with fringes, but like the yellow ones you see in use at the Vatican sometimes.

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There wasn't a Question!
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 05 June, 2009 10:24 :
 
Correct it wasnt a question. Can we move on from getting at me now? (A question, whoops).

Please - life is a bit bigger than that.

Back to topic - we've been using a simple leaflet about benediction - written by a UK Prof. called John Macquarry but now we are looking for a simple guide to give to folk to help them get into benediction and what it means. These things - guides to good A / C practice are hard to find.

Our nearby parish calls this feast 'Corpus et Sanguis Christi' and I met a guy from their who said its the proper name.
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on 05 June, 2009 22:26 :
 

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Our nearby parish calls this feast 'Corpus et Sanguis Christi' and I met a guy from their who said its the proper name.

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Canon Law saith:
Ubi de iudicio Episcopi dioecesani fieri potest, in publicum erga sanctissimam Eucharistiam venerationis testimonium, habeatur, praesertim in sollemnitate Corporis et Sanguinis Christi, processio per vias publicas ducta.

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When it can be done in the judgment of the diocesan bishop, a procession through the public streets is to be held as a public witness of veneration toward the Most Holy Eucharist, especially on the solemnity of the Body and Blood of Christ.

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... we've been using a simple leaflet about benediction - written by a UK Prof. called John Macquarry but now we are looking for a simple guide to give to folk to help them get into benediction and what it means.

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What is it about the 'simple leaflet' that you want improved? Doesn't it tell about Benediction and what it means? If you invite a person to come to see Benediction and be part of it, with others, they will then know what it means.
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on 06 June, 2009 13:31 :
 
That would be John Macquarrie, I think, Pearls.


New York Times Obituary
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 06 June, 2009 13:45 :
 
That is a good point Pearlb4. Thank you for making it. I've given it some thought and would like to share some thoughts on what you say.

Firstly, the leaflet I mentioned that is used in our parish has been felt by our Church Council to be a bit complicated and heavy for the average reader, many of them don't read much you see.

Secondly, the leaflet doesn't explain or guide as to how to get the most from Benediction in a devoitional way. Like what is happening and how to enter into it.

Thirdly, our copies have been around a bit and are getting a bit faded and so we thought a new one in a fresh style would be good.

Yes, we know its best to come and experience. But actually people don't. Some want to knowe more what its about and what to do when they come. Others when theyve been want to now what it wass about.

We see no prob in a new laeflet.

Sorry - aware this a a tangent so back to topic:

Here is a photo of a five* CC procession

Go have a look!
 

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Posted by Pearl B4 Swine (# 11451) on 06 June, 2009 14:45 :
 

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That is a good point Pearlb4. Thank you for making it. I've given it some thought and would like to share some thoughts on what you say.

Firstly, the leaflet I mentioned that is used in our parish has been felt by our Church Council to be a bit complicated and heavy for the average reader, many of them don't read much you see.

Secondly, the leaflet doesn't explain or guide as to how to get the most from Benediction in a devoitional way. Like what is happening and how to enter into it.

Thirdly, our copies have been around a bit and are getting a bit faded and so we thought a new one in a fresh style would be good.

Yes, we know its best to come and experience. But actually people don't. Some want to knowe more what its about and what to do when they come. Others when theyve been want to now what it wass about.

We see no prob in a new laeflet.

Sorry - aware this a a tangent so back to topic:

Here is a photo of a five* CC procession

Go have a look!

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Yes, but if one is going to be so fancy that one uses the Latin title, one must [in Martin's not-so-humble opinion] use the full title in all of its Latin splendor.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 06 June, 2009 16:17 :
 
I wonder why the Latin name Corpus Christi is still used, maybe because its so old.

But we dont now use latin names for the other feasts like Easter or Assumption and they are old. I'd not know what the latin name for Sacred Heart is.

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Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on 06 June, 2009 19:25 :
 
Names like Ascension and Assumption are even older and have been given a Latinized name in English.

Corpus Christi appears in Latin in a number of European languages i.e. Corpus Domini in both Italian and Spanish. French ,however, prefers la Fete-Dieu,(God's festival might be a rough and ready translation.) I have mentioned the German name and its origins before,but in Dutch and Flemish it is simply called 'heilige Sacramentsdag'(Holy sacrament Day).

I don't know why a Latin name is still used,although in the rc church it is now called -in the english speaking world 'The solemnity of the Body and Blood of Christ'.

What you are looking for as regards the Sacred Heart is :

Feria Sexta post Octavam sanctissimi corporis Christi - in festo sacratissimi cordis Jesu.

That's a bit of a mouthful !!
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 06 June, 2009 22:24 :
 
Thanks again Forthview for expalnations on that. The Sacred Heart in Latin is a big mouthful so maybe we should keep to english.

This Church of England church has three masses on Corpus Christi, including two evening masses followed by processions. Wow!
 

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Posted by LQ (# 11596) on 06 June, 2009 23:53 :
 
I would be remiss not to link to this. (English Missal alert!)
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on 06 June, 2009 23:55 :
 

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Originally posted by Laetare:
Thanks again Forthview for expalnations on that. The Sacred Heart in Latin is a big mouthful so maybe we should keep to english.

This Church of England church has three masses on Corpus Christi, including two evening masses followed by processions. Wow!

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Corpus Christi appears in Latin in a number of European languages i.e. Corpus Domini in both Italian and Spanish....

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My best friend is quite enamoured of Latin America (even going so far as to get an outline thereof tattooed on his back) and likes to make fun of the "Castilian lisp."

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Originally posted by Laetare:
Thanks again Forthview for expalnations on that. The Sacred Heart in Latin is a big mouthful so maybe we should keep to english.

This Church of England church has three masses on Corpus Christi, including two evening masses followed by processions. Wow!

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What's Chorpus Christi?


Max.

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This Church of England church

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On this tangent as well - yea I liked that too, but I agree Philosophy Page is a bit strange, mind you I couldnt think of a word - its like our position.

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How disappointing. I thought we'd met Father.

Thurible
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 07 June, 2009 22:43 :
 
I am sure I disappoint you in many ways, Thurible, but I am pleased you regularly follow and comment on my postings.

Leaving the tangent and returning to the Corpus Christi procession. I heard that only certain types of banner were suggested in the procession, but I can't find the suggestions on this.

In this photo the Holy Father seems to be on a vehicle in the Corpus Christi procession.
 

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Posted by New Yorker (# 9898) on 07 June, 2009 23:31 :
 
Where does one purchase the canopy that is used in the procession? My parish does not have one. I suspect that they are too expensive for me to purchase one alone, but it never hurts to ask.
 

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Posted by Pearl B4 Swine (# 11451) on 08 June, 2009 00:35 :
 
This would look lovely.

Scroll down to 'Canopy Beds'.
Or, go to Home Depot and get 4 wooden dowels, and a likely curtain panel from The Dollar Store. Assemble.
 

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Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on 08 June, 2009 00:43 :
 
Or, over to the Canadian Tire store here. A green one would do for almost all of the year. Very practical.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 08 June, 2009 07:44 :
 
I bet those canopies are dead expensive from church shops and could be made local. (Maybe though a bit difficult to make the Holy Father's style like in that photo!).

I don't think they change colour, lily pad, I think they are always gold or white, but I may be wrong.

What I dont understand is those processions that use them but dont go outside, after all they seem to be an outdoor thing to protect, like big umbrella. The sacrament isnt normally carried under canopies or umbrellas inside from what I've seen.
 

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Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on 08 June, 2009 08:43 :
 
The use of the canopy was ,of course,originally to protect the VIP from the sunshine.Nevertheless it became a sign of honour over the centuries. English monarchs when they processed were often covered by a canopy and the canopy is still used at the coronation of the English monarch during the anointing.

Jewish couples are married under a canopy and in the Catholic liturgy the Blessed Sacrament was carried in solemn processions under a canopy.AFAIK the canopy is no longer obligatory.In most Catholic churches it is no longer seen,at least up here in Scotland, at the solemn procession of the Host on Holy thursday,going by the 'rule' that if anything is not obligatory it will simply be discarded.
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on 08 June, 2009 09:44 :
 

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Originally posted by Laetare:
Thanks again Forthview for expalnations on that. The Sacred Heart in Latin is a big mouthful so maybe we should keep to english.

This Church of England church has three masses on Corpus Christi, including two evening masses followed by processions. Wow!

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Yes - it is a mile up the road from where I live. And it's an LGBT inclusive pace yet also full of families. It takes five communion hymns to communicate everybody. Their vicar was my incumbent some years ago.I went to a very moving Quiet Evening and Benediction there last Wednesday - an Affirming Cathlicm event.
 

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Posted by seasick (# 48) on 08 June, 2009 09:47 :
 
Looks very good: cross now that I didn't realise it existed when I lived in that part of the world!
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on 08 June, 2009 13:26 :
 
It wasn't always like that. It is one of the first Oxford Movement churches in Bristol and was solidly 'sensible' catholic. There is a Forward in Faith parish to the north of it (St. Gregory's Horfield) and a very extreme (St. Edmund's) to the East that closed many years back and Trinity absorbed what was left of their congregation.

Soon after Fr. John Hadley arrived, he appointed a woman curate (an ordinand my parish had produced) and the old-stagers left. It was become more progressive since, now that their aren't old souls continually stamping their feet and threatening to leave.
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on 08 June, 2009 13:31 :
 
By the way, the afternoon mass and procession is mainly for children - I think they have a weekly children's service at that sort of time.
 

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Posted by Patrick the less saintly (# 14355) on 08 June, 2009 14:38 :
 
Their website has a section on 9 Lessons and Carols which is quite dispiriting. They bill it as a 'traditional' service with the strong implication that their other services are more contemporary, yet even for this their 'traditional' service, they admit to fiddling around with the language to leave out 'most of the less comprehensible facets of 17th century English'. By 'less comprehensible facets of 17th century English' they apparently mean every aspect of 17th century English that deviates from 21st century English, including every single second person singular pronoun.


Unfortunately, as long as places like this continue their misguided embrace of modern aesthetics, they will find that a substantial portion of even liberal Anglo-Catholics will be put off and find that the lack of women priests at places like ASMS or St Mary the Less, Cambridge is less offensive than the continual assault on their eyes and, particularly, ears at trendy parishes.
 

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Posted by Angloid (# 159) on 08 June, 2009 15:00 :
 

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Unfortunately, as long as places like this continue their misguided embrace of modern aesthetics, they will find that a substantial portion of even liberal Anglo-Catholics will be put off and find that the lack of women priests at places like ASMS or St Mary the Less, Cambridge is less offensive than the continual assault on their eyes and, particularly, ears at trendy parishes.

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on 08 June, 2009 16:29 :
 
That works both ways - there are many AffCathers who are put of by gender exclusive language.

It's not all 'trendy.' The last time I was at a Sunday mass there was Mothering Sunday (I'd gone to hear the chaplain of Helen House - another one of our former ordinands - preach). The giving of posies to mothers was NON politically correct.

The ceremonial is also rather old-fashioned, certainly when it comes to the way they do incense.
 

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The ceremonial is also rather old-fashioned, certainly when it comes to the way they do incense.

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One view was two thuribles should be used another that only one is needed and more is showy.

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The last time I was at a Sunday mass there was Mothering Sunday. [...] The giving of posies to mothers was NON politically correct.

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Even worse when they give posies to all the adult women, because "the children giving out the posies cannot tell who are the mothers". Very upsetting to those who want children but are unable to have them. Justified by "well, all women contribute to the mothering role"
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on 08 June, 2009 17:17 :
 
Not a problem, necessarily, just that it doesn't conform to any one stereotype. Someone suggested it was 'trendy' and not 'traditional'.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 08 June, 2009 19:42 :
 

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By the way, the afternoon mass and procession is mainly for children - I think they have a weekly children's service at that sort of time.

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That sounds a great idea. I suppose its like an after school club. It does seem a great place especially if LGBT friendly as well

 

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on 08 June, 2009 20:14 :
 

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Originally posted by Dal Segno:
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The last time I was at a Sunday mass there was Mothering Sunday. [...] The giving of posies to mothers was NON politically correct.

Even worse when they give posies to all the adult women, because "the children giving out the posies cannot tell who are the mothers". Very upsetting to those who want children but are unable to have them. Justified by "well, all women contribute to the mothering role" [Roll Eyes]

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I've heard that in some countries the women carry posies in the Corpius Christi procession. I also looked up and apparently the York Passion plays were done at Corpus Christi as well so it must have been a big celebration day in those days. What I don't see though is that I thought Corpus Christi was quite a late feast and the Passion Plays of York were very old.
 

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Posted by Stranger in a strange land (# 11922) on 08 June, 2009 22:39 :
 
Corpus Christi became a universal feast in the Latin rite in 1264.
The mystery plasy are also thought to date from the 13th Century I believe.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 08 June, 2009 22:47 :
 
Oh I see Stranger, they came about the same time. Thanks for the help on that. It is amazing how much some guys here know and how quickly a popint can be answered

On the same thing. I was thinking Mass used to have to be in the morning. So I think on Corpus Christi it must have had to be in the morning and then a procession in the morning. But what about when people were working, like in Protestant countries, it must have been a small procession.
 

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Posted by LQ (# 11596) on 08 June, 2009 22:49 :
 
My Ritual Notes 9 suggests that the "exterior solemnity" of Procession and Benediction was customarily held on the Sunday in the Octave.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 08 June, 2009 23:10 :
 
That is interesting LQ. So then Mass would have been on the morning of the Thursday and I guess the Procession and Benediction on the Sunday, in the afternoon. Actually not a bad way of doing it today, perhaps.
 

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Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on 09 June, 2009 07:58 :
 
IN 'Catholic' countries the procession was often held in the morning after the principal Mass.It was the custom that girls who had made their first communion would carry baskets of flower petals which would be strewn before the path of the Blessed Sacrament. Two thuribles were often used( as directed also for Holy Thursday) in order that the Blessed sacrament be constantly receiving the homage of incense.

In 'Protestant' countries the procession was generally held on a Sunday afternoon and generally within the grounds of the church in order to comply with the laws of the country which often forbade the public expression of Catholic piety on the streets . Equally this was done in order to protect those taking part from the scorn and derision of others who were going about their lawful business on the public highway.
 

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Posted by multipara (# 2918) on 09 June, 2009 12:26 :
 
Here in Sinny for many years the annual Corpus Christi procession was one of the great Sunday outings ( in the days when there was bugger-all else to do on a Sunday arvo, irrespective one's beliefs or lack thereof). It was held in the gounds of the now-defunct St Patrick's Seminary at Manly ("seven miles form Sydney and a thousand miles from are" as the ferry ads used to go) and for most people involved an ocean-going ferry trip from Circular Quay, as the trip by car would have been circuitous for most prople who lived south of Sydney Harbour. It was held on the Sunday following Corpus Christi, and I managed to go once in 1967 while a boarder at the gulag; the nuns allowed me (probably against their better judgement) to escort a gaggle of 12 and 13 year olds who (like meself) had not been farmed out to their collective rellies for a Sunday out of school. I recall the occasion chiefly as it gave us an excuse to check out sundry milk bars ( where one could get malted milks, ice cream etc) both on the way to and from Manly from genteel Rose Bay), however the Eucharistic pageantry (once we got there) was something to behold, with the late ++Norman Thomas Gilroy in charge of the show, with the Blessed Sacrament under a canopy of Brobdingnagian proportions borne by at least 20 sweating seminarians all in their best lacy cottas and and any number of clergy and religious all starched to the nines in their (soon-to-be-jettisoned) pre-V2 habits. no flower-girls flinging petals there; the Aussie RCC was always sternly Irish Jansenist and took a dim view of such Eyetalian practices as having little gels in fluffy white making a mess with petals and stealing the boys' thunder), and of course every bored Catholic and religious intensity for miles along r=turned up for the procession. I particularly recall an elderly gent who marched along accompanied by a large ginger cat on his shoulder with a puppy under one arm, and who escorted an even older lady wearing a scarlet dressing gown and fluffy slippers who leaned on his free arm.

I can't recall when the Manly procession was finally canned but in recent years ++George Sydneiensis has seen fit to revive it, except ow it wends is way though the Sydney Central Business District from St Pat's Church Hill ( in the Rocks area where it all started) to Sancta Maria non Immaculata.

Somehow the New Order (much sanitised) doesn't quite have the style of the Corpus Christi Procession of earlier and less respectable days; I suspect dressing-gowns and ginger cats would be frowned upon in favour of the likes of the local Opus Dei denizens, the Blue Army of Fatima, the Guild of Catholic Homeschooling Mums and the like. And where has all the tat gone? There used to be enough to keep a bridal salon in business for months....

And no, I won't be there, having been invited to a literary launch of the (very lapsed Catholic) ex-boyfriends' s latest volume of abstruse poetry...the mind boggles.

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Posted by Wottinger (# 13176) on 09 June, 2009 13:00 :
 
We're doing an Anglican compromise at our place.
Thursday Corpus Christi Mass and Benediction, and then, on Sunday, Morning Mass and Outdoor procession of the Blessed Sacrament.
 

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Posted by Saint Chad (# 5645) on 09 June, 2009 13:26 :
 
10a.m. said, BCP-ish with propers from The English Liturgy.
 

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on 09 June, 2009 13:45 :
 

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We're keeping it on Sunday so I'll be able to get to a High Mass.

Thurible
 

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Posted by Brian M (# 11865) on 09 June, 2009 15:09 :
 
Our local Polish RC plant will have a CC procession at the conclusion of the 11:00 am Polish-language Mass. The parish priest will process with the Blessed Sacrament to four altars outside, which have been prepared by the Polish School, the parish's Knights of Columbus, its Rosary Society and its Religious Education students.
 

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Posted by Dal Segno (# 14673) on 09 June, 2009 15:49 :
 

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Peace be with you
 

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Posted by malik3000 (# 11437) on 09 June, 2009 17:44 :
 
Our local Anglo-Catholic place, is having a solemn mass thursday evening, and I plan to be there. I'm guessing they'll probably have a procession. I last went Ascension Thursday evening, and for the first time ever I saw the thurifer do 360's, which i had never seen, or, until i discovered Ecclesiantics, ever heard of!
 

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Posted by Bishops Finger (# 5430) on 09 June, 2009 18:19 :
 
I've tentatively suggested that we have a Procession after Mass on Sunday, followed by Benediction, but for some odd reason (given that our place is supposed to be quite spiky!) this doesn't seem to have met with any enthusiasm.

We are, however, having a Holy Hour and Benediction tomorrow evening (our regular mid-week slot), as it's the Eve of Corpus Christi.

Ian J.
 

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I know how you feel. I've been looking all over for a parish where I can find High Mass offered by a female priest in a biretta and maniple.

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You'd've enjoyed the wedding I was at on Saturday which was a High Nuptial Mass celebrated by a female priest in biretta and maniple. Unfortunately it was a one off event. It was said priest's first experience of celebrating in biretta and maniple because of course most places that go in for such things don't like women priests.

More on topic, I realised yesterday that the Church in Wales in her infinite wisdom have kept St Barnabas on 11th and moved the 'Thanksgiving for Holy Communion' to Friday. This is in fact what should happen given they classify St Barnabas as a class II feast and the Thanksgiving for Holy Communion as a class IV (though actually one might just expect the latter to be lost entirely). It just seems really bizarre because Corpus Christi is a Thursday by definition.* Also, in my classification they are equal whatever the C-in-W says officially.

*Modern habits not-withstanding

Carys
 

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on 10 June, 2009 22:25 :
 
Did she wear the biretta throughout?

Thurible
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 10 June, 2009 22:38 :
 
And I get criticised for asking questions about what happens in other churches

Our Corpus Christi procession goes outside around the church grounds a little bit but not into the streets.

I'm not working for the Church Guiness Book of Records but I do wonder who has the record for the longest procession at Corpus Christi, and what route it took. The story of the Time Square one suggests quite a long trip out for Our Lord.
 

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Posted by St. Helena (# 14867) on 10 June, 2009 22:39 :
 
Hello, I've been reading various discussions for a long time. Now at last I have registered and can comment.

My parish will have High Mass at 6:30 pm on the Feast (Thursday). Then we will process with the Sacrament around the block and back to our garden for Benediction. After that, of course, a lavish reception in the Parish Hall.

Given the reason for this feast being on a Thursday, it doesn't seem right to me to transfer it and lose the link with Maundy Thursday, so I am glad we don't.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 10 June, 2009 22:44 :
 
Yes I like that link with Maundy Thursday as well, and its a good point St Helena (and Hi there by the way).

How many yards do you reckon your procession is on Corpus Christi?
 

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Posted by St. Helena (# 14867) on 10 June, 2009 22:47 :
 
I don't know how long a standard city block is, but we make a square (four-sides) so roughly 4x the length of one block. Not long enough for a prize, I'm sure.
 

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Posted by Bishops Finger (# 5430) on 10 June, 2009 23:01 :
 
ASMS takes Our Lord along part of Oxford Street - reclaiming the streets for Jesus!

We had a good Holy Hour and Benediction this evening, using the period of Exposition for the Luminous Mysteries of the Rosary, with a period of silent prayer between each Mystery. As all, of course, know, the Luminous Mysteries conclude with the Institution of the Eucharist, thus segueing nicely into Tantum Ergo, the Corpus Christi Collect and the Divine Praises (unbowdlerised). All very seemly and edifying.

Ian J.
 

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Given the reason for this feast being on a Thursday, it doesn't seem right to me to transfer it and lose the link with Maundy Thursday, so I am glad we don't.

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Posted by Levavi (# 14371) on 11 June, 2009 15:21 :
 

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On the same thing. I was thinking Mass used to have to be in the morning. So I think on Corpus Christi it must have had to be in the morning and then a procession in the morning. But what about when people were working, like in Protestant countries, it must have been a small procession.

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To me this is one acceptable transfer (unlike Ascension Day or Epiphany)!

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Still, it's hard to imagine a Corpus Christi procession at that hour, so what Liturgy Queen says makes sense.

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Posted by Ahleal V (# 8404) on 11 June, 2009 20:27 :
 
Alas I won't be able to make it to Corpus Christi tonight - therefore I plan to have Compline with the Corpus Christi responses and antiphons, Pange Lingua instead of the Te Lucis, a reading from Aquinas and concluded with the Divine Praises.

x

AV

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Posted by No Socks (# 5358) on 11 June, 2009 21:24 :
 
I've just returned from the mass for Corpus Christi, then processing around our local streets, and Benediction.

Am a little out of breath, because I play my clarinet for the procession hymns, all five of them, in the hopes of keeping us vaguely in time, and in tune.
 

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Posted by Carys (# 78) on 11 June, 2009 21:26 :
 
Unfortunately my health has prevented me getting to Mass today, but I gather from facebook that my parents have been experiencing it in Malta. Bit too OTT for my formerly congregational father!

Carys
 

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Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on 11 June, 2009 21:46 :
 
At Mass in our catholoic church this morning the priest was in red vestments for the Feast of St Barnabas.Instead of the usual 20 or so there were about 40 at the Mass,probably people from Eastern Europe.Thepriest reminded everyone that Corpus Christi is celebrated here on the Sunday but that God would richly bless them for coming to Mass today.

This evening my annual sortie to an Anglo Catholic church for their Corpus Christi celebrations(They can choose when they want to celebrate particular feasts !) The preacher has spent his youth in the Salvation Army and very interestingly compared his childhood marching around in processions singing about the love of Jesus. He (rightly in my opinion) pointed out that this was just the same as the procession of the Host at Corpus Christi.
 

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Posted by Mother Julian (# 11978) on 11 June, 2009 22:37 :
 
Wednesday evening I attended Solemn Vespers of Corpus Christi, with exposition, sermon, procession and benediction. This was at St John the Baptist, Tuebrook Liverpool. Flower girl, strewing rose petals, two thurifers, very long processional hymns, plenty of clergy in birettas (and what fun in the sermon, the preacher managed the word "Jesus" an inordinate number of times - was he teasing the biretta brigade into making as many hat tips as possible?).
What fun - and well over 100 in the congregation.

I believe there were morning and evening masses there today.
 

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Posted by Sarum Sleuth (# 162) on 11 June, 2009 23:01 :
 
My involvement in the low mass at SMVPH consisted of putting out the red chazzie and ringing the bell before I retired to the office to get on with my work. However, I enjoyed a far more exotic function this evening.

The church in my village had advertised a Corpus Christi Mass, and I had volunteered to ring for this. Five minutes before the service started their head server appeared and signaled to me with thurible swinging gestures. Having called the bells into rounds I made my way to the opposite end of the church. Thus began an evening of firsts for me. These included first time in a cassock alb, first time serving in trainers first time as thurifer in the wrong place in the procession and first time in a procession of the sacrament. Dr Dearmer's ashes would be spinning in their grave!

The order for the procession was very unusual: Taperers, or as I suspect they call them, acolytes, priest in chasuble with Host, thurifer, deacon. However, this is what the Rector wanted and everyone seemed to enjoy themselves. The service ended up with the Host being used for the final blessing held above the ciborium, which I suppose technically counted as benediction, but without the usual form of words.

To be fair it was the only Anglican church for miles around to keep the day in some style, and the service was neither over the top or fussy. They genuinely seemd to appreciate the large quantities of smoke as well in a parish where some care normally has to be exercised over such things.

I will of course be seeking absolution from the first priest I come across in old English surplice and blue stole.......

SS
 

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Posted by Angloid (# 159) on 11 June, 2009 23:41 :
 
I was intrigued on driving past a local evangelical church to see a Choral Eucharist for Corpus Christi advertised for this evening, so I couldn't resist a visit. I thought it was very optimistic of such a parish to expect any congregation at all, but there was a scattering of people in the pews and far more in the choir. Priest in cassock-alb and stole; holy table devoid of candles; standard CW liturgy (used I have to say fairly unimaginatively); Latin mass setting (Haydn); the sermon would not have raised any memorialist eyebrows but it was a bit short on oomph.

Probably not your average evangelical liturgy, indeed it is difficult to categorise it. But it was encouraging to see that the feast is being taken more seriously across the whole of the C of E and not just the tat-queen end of the anglo-catholic movement.
 

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Posted by multipara (# 2918) on 12 June, 2009 07:48 :
 
Corpus Christi at CCSL last night was celebrated in proper catholic fashion with Solemn Mass (Missa Pange lingua of Josquin -credo excepted which was Merbecke) Byrd Ave verum Corpus and Sweet Sacrament Divine ( a proper RC golden oldie that one). Then procession around the church (pitch dark, bloody freezing outside) while we sang Lauda Sion followed by Pange lingua, finishing with Benediction. There were probably 60 in the congregation, 3 clergy , MC, thurifer, boat and 4 servers, none of that Eyetalian flowery stuff and (very properly) no canopy-and 22 choristers. It was a wonderful celebration, and a great treat to have it coincide with my birthday. There were at least 3 fellow-Romans in the congo, from St Frank's and a Jesuit scholastic who enjoyed it hugely. Then off to meet Sponsa in a local pub.

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Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on 12 June, 2009 09:31 :
 
The Church of Ireland does not, of course, have any truck with 'Corpus Christi' or such Popish nonsense.

This leaves it an open question why the hymns for the coming Sunday include 'Sing my tongue the Body telling', 'Thou who at His Eucharist did pray' and a setting of the 'Ave Verum Corpus'. I'm imagining that the Propers will be for Trinity I, but we shall see.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 12 June, 2009 09:43 :
 

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My involvement in the low mass at SMVPH consisted of putting out the red chazzie and ringing the bell before I retired to the office to get on with my work. However, I enjoyed a far more exotic function this evening.

The church in my village had advertised a Corpus Christi Mass, and I had volunteered to ring for this. .

However, this is what the Rector wanted and everyone seemed to enjoy themselves. The service ended up with the Host being used for the final blessing held above the ciborium, which I suppose technically counted as benediction, but without the usual form of words.

I will of course be seeking absolution from the first priest I come across in old English surplice and blue stole.......

SS

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Originally posted by Angloid:
it was encouraging to see that the feast is being taken more seriously across the whole of the C of E and not just the tat-queen end of the anglo-catholic movement.

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Indeed - and Corpus Christi is not JUST about the blessed sacrament. It is about the Church as Christ's body and also about suffering humanity.
 

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Posted by Sarum Sleuth (# 162) on 12 June, 2009 12:25 :
 
Originally posted by Laetare
Why red for Corpus Christi and not white by the way at your church?)

Red was frequently used for Corpus Christi (and Maundy Thursday) in mediaeval England. When the feast was revived at SMVPH in the 1920s red was used and we have stuck with it ever since. We use the best red frontal on Maundy Thursday as well. Westminster Abbey also used red for Corpus Christi initially: I have no idea what they do now. After all, we couldn't be seen to be doing the same as the Romans!

SS
 

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Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on 12 June, 2009 12:27 :
 
In some Italian cities, Corpus Christi took a mixture of both red AND white - so I'm afraid that, short of switching to green or something, you are quite literally going to be following at least some Romans!
 

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Posted by Stranger in a strange land (# 11922) on 12 June, 2009 12:34 :
 
In the procession yesterday evening at my shack the book of the Gospels was carried alongside the Blessed Sacrament under the canopy. Apparently this is an ancient tradition that fell into disuse. The homily pointed out that Christ is present in Sacrament, Word and in His people.

Anyone come across this form of procession?
 

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Posted by Sarum Sleuth (# 162) on 12 June, 2009 12:38 :
 
Originally posted by dj_ordinaire
In some Italian cities, Corpus Christi took a mixture of both red AND white

As did Exeter. I am perfectly relaxed about the Romans following English practice. As for Corpus Christi in green, I have witnessed this with my own eyes at St Barnabas Oxford a couple of years back!

SS
 

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Posted by Saint Chad (# 5645) on 12 June, 2009 12:49 :
 

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I will of course be seeking absolution from the first priest I come across in old English surplice and blue stole.......

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If you can make it to S Percy-the-Less this Sunday you'll find both in evidence!
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 12 June, 2009 14:01 :
 


Saint Chad on his track.

Why blue on this coming Sunday - or is that the only colour used.
 

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on 12 June, 2009 14:12 :
 

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Posted by Saint Chad (# 5645) on 12 June, 2009 14:23 :
 
Actually, it's a very ancient tradition, pre-dating Sarum, on the Feast Corpus et Sanguinis Christi the Body and Blood of Christ signifying the fact that, being of the Royal House of David, our Lord's Blood would have been blue!
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 12 June, 2009 15:50 :
 
Yes, thats right Saint Chad blue for everything


Don't forget the Precious (Blue) Blood thread as well, mate.
 

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Posted by malik3000 (# 11437) on 12 June, 2009 20:12 :
 

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Actually, it's a very ancient tradition, pre-dating Sarum, on the Feast Corpus et Sanguinis Christi the Body and Blood of Christ signifying the fact that, being of the Royal House of David, our Lord's Blood would have been blue!

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 12 June, 2009 21:40 :
 
Malik3000 what a great desciption, and so kind of you to describe in detail. It came across as friendly and cosy in a good meaning of that word, and enjoyable and rich too.

I guess quite a few people seek out a different church for special festivals.

You only mentioned one hymn by name.

That set me wondering what hymns people have had at Corpus Christi celebrations this year. In particular what is sung in the procession...
 

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Posted by PD (# 12436) on 12 June, 2009 22:27 :
 
I used red for Corpus Christi here. We also use red for Passion-tide, though not yet for Maundy Thursday. Next year - promise!

PD
 

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Posted by Oblatus (# 6278) on 12 June, 2009 22:27 :
 
At Ascension, Chicago:

• Entrance: God himself is with us (Tysk)
• Sequence: Zion, praise thy Savior, singing (Lauda Sion Salvatorem)
• Offertory: Lord, enthroned in heavenly splendor (St. Osmund)
• Communion: Bread of the world, in mercy broken (Rendez a Dieu)
• O salutaris: O saving Victim, opening wide (Martyr Dei)
• Procession: Hail, thou once despised Jesus! (In Babilone)
• Tantum ergo: Therefore we, before him bending (Tantum ergo)

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 12 June, 2009 23:00 :
 
Thats a nice selection of hymns, but I'd miss Sweet Sacrament Divine

I wonder what other Corpus Christi hymns have had an airing this year or are on the favourites list
 

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Posted by Oblatus (# 6278) on 14 June, 2009 02:26 :
 
I've rather belatedly researched Daily Office propers for the eve, morning, and evening of Corpus Christi, as these are not provided in our BCP 1979, and found this information in the lectionary documents of St. Mary the Virgin in NYC.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 14 June, 2009 09:15 :
 
I checked out that link Oblatus, it seemed to go to your blog then the SMV link on the blog didn't work

We are keeping CC today as well Nice sunny day for it, here in England.
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on 14 June, 2009 15:41 :
 
At my Somerset Church:

Pre-Mass Worship
Charlie Hall - Centre
Matt Redman - You alone can rescue (Giver of Life)
Max. - As we prepare the table
Entrance Song: Marty Haugan - Gather us in
Gloria: Anderson - Gloria
Psalm:Max. - This cup of blessing which we share, is it not a sharing of the Blood of Christ?
Gospel Acclamation Sing Alleluia to the Lord
Offertory: Toolan - I am the bread of life
Sanctus/Memorial/Agnus Dei: Marty Haugan - Mass of Creation
Communion Song 1:Servants of the Word - Seek the Lord
Communion Song 2:Soul of my Saviour
Exit Song:
Matt Maher - Adoration
Chris Tomlin - Forever


Max.
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on 14 June, 2009 16:31 :
 

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I checked out that link Oblatus, it seemed to go to your blog then the SMV link on the blog didn't work

We are keeping CC today as well Nice sunny day for it, here in England.

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Here's the link to St. Mary the Virgin. They do a good office page, but [to my chagrin] they insist on RSV. I'm not opposed to RSV, but I've made the mental switchover to NRSV and I prefer to stay with one version.

As for Martin's Church, it was technically the Second Sunday after Pentecost, but (as some may recall) my church seems to adhere to a strict one-change-of-paraments-a-month-maximum policy, so we still had our white stuff up from Holy Trinity. No worries--I just "offered it up" as Corpus Christi.

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on 14 June, 2009 19:57 :
 
A very nice, if restrained-CofE, Corpus Christi. White vestments on the celebrant and deacon. Very good sermon on the importance of the Unbloody Sacrifice and an ... encouragement to go to a weekday Mass.

Hymns were:

Lord, enthroned in heavenly splendour
O Thou who at Thy Eucharist didst pray
Sweet Sacrament Divine
All for Jesus!

Byrd's Ave Verum for the communion anthem and his Mass for Four Voices for the ordinary.

No procession or any other high jinks, which was a shame.

Thurible
 

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Posted by Comper's Child (# 10580) on 14 June, 2009 20:59 :
 
Aside from the usual hymns (Lord Enthroned, O Thou Who at Thy First Eucharist etc etc) we had the MacMillan Westminster Mass with a sung -and accompanied- canon - Wow! Quite spectacular if challenging. Procession (inside) and Benediction - all very beautiful if very, very long.
 

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Posted by Oblatus (# 6278) on 14 June, 2009 21:05 :
 

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I checked out that link Oblatus, it seemed to go to your blog then the SMV link on the blog didn't work

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Sorry about that, but I meant it to go to my blog where I had copied the psalm and lesson references for Corpus Christi, and the SMV links from there work for me.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 14 June, 2009 21:36 :
 
I'm trying to remeber the hymns we had. Here is what I can remember. There was 'Jesus in thy dear sacrament,' 'Sweet Sacrament Divine,' Guide me O thou. There were more but those stuck in my mind.

We had an outdoor procession and Benediction, lovely weather, lovely mass
 

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Posted by Saint Chad (# 5645) on 15 June, 2009 20:53 :
 
We had two processions, one before the service, and one after.

Two bands, lots of flags and banners.

Glorious weather, wonderful service.
 

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Posted by Bishops Finger (# 5430) on 15 June, 2009 21:12 :
 
I am told that the Rochester FiF Corpus Christi Procession etc. at Bickley was a Jolly Good Do, despite a rather low turnout (mind you, 8 went from our place, which was an excellent bit of flag-flying by our poor little parish!).

Other A-C churches in the diocese which had a Mass on the day itself report congregations of 50 or so, which I suppose is not too bad.

Did anyone go to All Saints, Margaret Street, and march along part of Oxford Street?

Ian J.
 

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 15 June, 2009 22:36 :
 

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We had two processions, one before the service, and one after.

Two bands, lots of flags and banners.

Glorious weather, wonderful service.

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I've heard some places have a procession with a brass or other type of band. All outside with people dressed up. That sounds so cool.

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I was replying, and saying that we had a pipe band and a brass band, which led the Mayor and Deputy Mayor in robes and full regalia, along with the uniformed organisations and the ex-service associations, all with their flags and standards, and the other civic dignitaries from the town hall to church for the service and back again afterwards.

So, we had bands, and people dressed up and it was very cool.
 

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Posted by multipara (# 2918) on 16 June, 2009 10:15 :
 
There was a Corpus Christi procession in Sinny ( this long-discontinued event was revived by ++George Sydneiensis 3 or 4 years ago) on Sunday last, a relatively short walk from St Pat's-in-the-Rocks to Sancta Maria Immaculata, followed by Solemn Benediction. It rained most of the afternoon so instead of outdoor Benediction, I understand the crowd of 5,000 (rather than the 10,000 hoped for) managed to squeeze into the Basilica for Benediction.

I suspect that it was attended mainly by the hardest of the hard core Sydney rockchoppers. At least this year Jensen minor didn't publicly express the hope that the good Lord would't send rain on to ++George's parade.

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Posted by Laetare (# 3583) on 16 June, 2009 22:44 :
 

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I've heard some places have a procession with a brass or other type of band. All outside with people dressed up. That sounds so cool.

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I was replying, and saying that we had a pipe band and a brass band, which led the Mayor and Deputy Mayor in robes and full regalia, along with the uniformed organisations and the ex-service associations, all with their flags and standards, and the other civic dignitaries from the town hall to church for the service and back again afterwards.

So, we had bands, and people dressed up and it was very cool.

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Oh I see. Thanks for that Saint Chad. But no Blessed Sacrament in the procession. So not Corpus Christi.

PS Did you wear a blue stole?

 

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Posted by The Man with a Stick (# 12664) on 16 June, 2009 23:00 :
 

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Did anyone go to All Saints, Margaret Street, and march along part of Oxford Street?

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...no Blessed Sacrament in the procession. So not Corpus Christi.

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Was it not Juliana von Luettich(Juliane de Liege) who suggested the date of Thursday after Trinity Sunday? This was after a vision which she had sometime in the 1240s.By 1264 Pope Urban IV,who had previously been Archdeacon of Liege extended the Feast ,first celebrated in Liege and then in Germany and the Netherlands ,to the whole of the Latin church.

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Me!

No police escort meant we were restricted to the pavement and without Brass Band, which sadly impacted on the singing. ASMS is also absolutely covered in scaffolding.

Apparently the police wanted thousands of pounds to police the procession. If only we'd invited the Walsingham protestants along maybe they'd have done it for free...

It was however, still a jolly good do, despite my very British self-consciousness.

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Dear God, can't these neo-con twitterers get a life?

So what if it were foccacia? It's wheaten bread, innit?

m

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I don't knowe any hymns that will pick up the theme of the precious blood that are sung at Corpus Christi.

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There is a fountain of Christ's blood
Wide open stretched for to drown our sins
Where Jesus stands with open arms
Of mercy to invite us in

His crown of thorns set on with scorn
He sold his pain his fleshly store
With ragged nails through hands and feet
They nailed our rich redeemer sweet

With a bloody spear they pierced his heart
And bruised his bleeding body sore
From every wound the blood ran down
The spring of life could bleed no more

When all his precious blood was spent
The thunder roared and the rocks did rent
The earth did quake and clouds did rumble
Which made hell shake and devils tremble

The sun and moon a-mourning went
The seas did roar and the temples rent
And the richness of Christ's precious blood
Did open graves and raise the dead

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[qb] In the English language, there are many hymns that will do this, picking up for the lack in Latin.

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I'm slightly boggled at the idea that there are few such hymns in Latin. Surely there must be many? There are hundreds in English, probably thousands. Is adoration of the blood of Jesus such a Protestant thing?

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Is adoration of the blood of Jesus such a Protestant thing?

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Originally posted by Martin L:

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Originally posted by ken:
Is adoration of the blood of Jesus such a Protestant thing?

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I wonder. Perhaps actually having access to receiving in both kinds has done this? The Catholics have a bit of catching up to do.

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