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Originally posted by Erconwald:
The 1894 edition of Ritual Notes is now online at Project Canterbury, so you do not have own it. However, many Anglo-Catholics would insist that Fortescue (The Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described) is the preferred guide to ceremonial.

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I do not have it, but Amazon has a copy available for a tidy USD99.95.

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I got mine about three years ago from my local Christian bookshop for about £15. It was the 1996 reprint from St Austin's Press. How on earth has Amazon got away with charging that much?

[ 11. March 2006, 09:57: Message edited by: Back-to-Front ]
 

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Posted by cocktailgirl (# 8684) on :
 
Michno's A Priest's Handbook has some good stuff in it (though it's geared towards the ECUSA BCP).

And obviously you meant to include Common Worship but just forgot, yes?
 

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Posted by Fermat (# 4894) on :
 

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Originally posted by Back-to-Front:
I got mine about three years ago from my local Christian bookshop for about £15. It was the 1996 reprint from St Austin's Press. How on earth has Amazon got away with charging that much?

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[gloat]
I picked up my copy of Fortescue, fifth edition, 1934, from a wonderful second hand bookshop for just £3.50. I'm still smiling I also got Ritual notes and the Dearmer from the same place, for £2.50 and £1 respectively. All in pretty good condition.
[/gloat]
 

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Posted by Back-to-Front (# 5638) on :
 
Good man!

My copy of The Parson's Handbook (12th ed.) was £12.50, second-hand in and good condition, but nothing like the bargain you got. It took the shop a while to get hold of it, though, but they came up trumps.

However, my Fortescue wasn't second-hand but was a new copy, bought straight off the shelf. I'm still trying to figure out how Amazon can charge that much. Is this particular edition jewel-encrusted or something?
 

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Posted by Jonathan the Free (# 10612) on :
 

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Originally posted by seasick:
English Missal? English Ritual?

Why do you need a copy of the ASB to be a self-respecting Anglo-Catholic priest?

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Jonathan the Free said:
Sorry, my weak attempt at humour obviously failed to get a chuckle.

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I suppose there is a philosophical question about whether a priest should want to have self-respect at all. To what extent is self-respect a good quality ?

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Originally posted by seasick:

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Jonathan the Free said:
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[QUOTE]I suppose there is a philosophical question about whether a priest should want to have self-respect at all. To what extent is self-respect a good quality ?

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One for another thread, methinks.

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I've started one.
 

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Posted by Corpus cani (# 1663) on :
 
I have a copy of "A Manual for Priests of the American Church" [4th Ed. 1961] byEarle Hewitt Maddux SSJE. It has some handy blessings in.
Mycopy used to belong to the Bishop of Nassau and I picked it up in a bookshop for £2.

Corpus
 

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Posted by Comper's Child (# 10580) on :
 
Directorium Anglicanum, of course, though they're scarce as hen's teeth.
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
Oh come on boys and girls, lance the boil.... you know there is this book and none other that, secretly, you all really really want to use
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Oh come on boys and girls, lance the boil.... you know there is this book and none other that, secretly, you all really really want to use

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We do use this, or the celebrant does at least, at many low Masses. Just the introit, communion verse, offertory prayer, postcommunion prayer...and mostly on holy days. The bulk of the rite is Rite II from the 1979 USA BCP.
 

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Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :
 
I've heard it rumoured that the Bible can come in handy from time to time...
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 

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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
I've heard it rumoured that the Bible can come in handy from time to time...

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Yes...in the class held before High Mass.
 

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Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :
 
I was thinking of a film where a Bible deflected a bullet from it's owner actually...

(and I understand that cigarette cases will also work...)
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
So are anglo-catholic priests to be stereotypes as only collecting books about ceremonial and tat?

I'd hope they had some books about pastoral care and politics as well. The catholic movement is incarnational - remember the great speech by Bp. Frank Weston of Zanzibar telling us us to come out from our tabernacles into the slums of the poor.

Here endeth the rant.
 

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Posted by Jonathan the Free (# 10612) on :
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Oh come on boys and girls, lance the boil.... you know there is this book and none other that, secretly, you all really really want to use

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No, they are waiting for Benedict XVI to bring back the Tridentine Mass in regular use first.
 

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Posted by Adrian1 (# 3994) on :
 
How about:

1) Canon Belton's 'Manual for Confessors'
2) 'Anglican Altar Services 1941'
3) 'The English Liturgy' (Rivingtons) - edited by Percy Dearmer
4) Alciun Club 'Directory of English Ceremonial'
5) 'Hours of Prayer' adapted from the Sarum rite.


 

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Posted by The Gentle Duffie (# 10901) on :
 
Is this thread limited to liturgical books?

If it's not, Martin Thornton's writings (Christian Proficiency, Prayer: A New Encounter, Pastoral Theology: A Reorientation et al.) should be on the short list of books any self-respecting Anglo-Catholic [priest] should have.

Also, Geoffrey Rowell's The Vision Glorious.

And Glorious Battle, by John Shelton Reed.

Merrily on High, by Colin Stephenson.

The Oxford Movement in Context, by Peter Nockles.

This could become a very long list in very short order.
 

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Posted by Maniple (# 2237) on :
 
Just a sample from my bookshelf:

Not all liturgy/ritual.

Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite - Elliot
Ceremonies of the Liturgical Year - Elliott
The Ritual Reason Why: What mean ye by this service - Fr Charles Walker
GIRM
Book of Blessings
The Englih Ritual
Lent, Holy Week & Easter
Butler's Lives of the Saints
The English Catholic Prayerbook
The Anglo-Catholic Prayerbook

Fr Ted Scripts
Merrily on High - Fr Colin Stephenson
Walsingham Way - Fr Colin Stephenson
The Parson's Progress - Compton Mackenzie
The Altar Steps - Compton Mackenzie
The Heavenly Ladder - Compton Mackenzie

There are lots more.
 

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Posted by Maniple (# 2237) on :
 
PS

Elements of Rite - Aidan Kavanagh
How not to say Mass - Dennis Smolarski

(they were hiding behind my pope-soap-on-a-rope!)
 

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Posted by Corpus cani (# 1663) on :
 
[The Corporeal shower cubicle is also equipped with a Pope-on-a-rope, but I don't have any books in the shower!]

Corpus
 

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Posted by 103 (One-O-Three) (# 5846) on :
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Oh come on boys and girls, lance the boil.... you know there is this book and none other that, secretly, you all really really want to use

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
What about the fish book?

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Originally posted by Maniple:

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
What about the fish book?

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It was on my original list - GIRM.

But I did forget the other fish book, not by the one by J R Hartley but the accompanying volume Celebraing the Mass.

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Oh - I'm sorry, I didn't read it properly - I normally only called it the fish book

I also have a book called "The Rite Stuff" by Pete Ward... but my taste in books isn't always what a self-respecting AC would want to have

-103
 

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Posted by Maniple (# 2237) on :
 

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
I also have a book called "The Rite Stuff" by Pete Ward... but my taste in books isn't always what a self-respecting AC would want to have

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Originally posted by Maniple:

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
I also have a book called "The Rite Stuff" by Pete Ward... but my taste in books isn't always what a self-respecting AC would want to have

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Surely after "Liquid Church" a better title for the above book would have been "Liquid Liturgy".

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No he can't - I own that domain too!

-103
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 

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Oh come on boys and girls, lance the boil... you know there is this book and none other that, secretly, you all really want to use

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
I also have a book called "The Rite Stuff" by Pete Ward... but my taste in books isn't always what a self-respecting AC would want to have

-103

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Originally posted by Lamburnite:
A.N. Wilson's Unguarded Hours is wonderful, if very difficult to obtain. I'm waiting to borrow a copy of his Kindly Light -- we'll see if that deserves to be on the list.

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Originally posted by Divine Office:
and no doubt a good variety of prayer manuals, such as A Manual of Catholic Devotion, first published by the CLA in 1950 with the last edition in 1969.

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Originally posted by Magnum Mysterium:

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Originally posted by Divine Office:
and no doubt a good variety of prayer manuals, such as A Manual of Catholic Devotion, first published by the CLA in 1950 with the last edition in 1969.

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There's also a more recent updated version of this, the Manual of Anglo-Catholic Devotion. Not sure of the publication details, but the hardback has a purple cover.

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Not that it matters at all but... my original copy of A Manual of Catholic Devotion had a purple cover and my 1969 replacement version has a green cover. Adds a whole new concept to judging clergy- "What colour does he wear during Lent?" - "What colour does he wear to funerals?" - "What colour is his Manual of Catholic Devotion?"

Corpus
[Purple, Black, Green, in that order.]
 

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Posted by Magnum Mysterium (# 3418) on :
 
Re. Manual of Anglo-Catholic Devotion: this one.

And the cover of my copy of the Manual of Catholic Devotion is also green.
 

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Posted by angloid (# 159) on :
 
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Barbara Pym.
 

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Posted by humane catholic (# 9440) on :
 
No-one seems yet to have mentioned that most excellent text Anglican Services ("A book concerning ritual and ceremonial in the Church of England by the present author of Ritual Notes and The Order of Divine Service"), published in a single edition (1953) and scarce as hens teeth. I have two copies. A truly wonderful and highly opinionated read, including such useful sections as that which details how one celebrates mass if one had one's leg blown off in the war. It's a riot, and comes in most handy for entertainment after the third cognac at dinner parties.
 

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Posted by Crotalus (# 4959) on :
 
If we're going for the amusing, then it has to be the Directorium Anglicanum, with its comically archaic attempt at eighteenth century typography:

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But if the chalice have dropped upon the altar, the drop muft be fucked up, and the Prieft muft do penance for three days.

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[ 13. March 2006, 10:35: Message edited by: Crotalus ]
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
I have the 1969 edition of A Manual of Catholic Devotion with the green cover. I picked it up at a retreat for 50p some years ago!

I also have Andrew Burnham's Manual of Anglo-Catholic Devotion, but in some ways I prefer the earlier CLA publications.

Another interesting prayer manual is The St Augustine Prayer Book, published for members of ECUSA in the 1950s. A reprint is available from the ACC. I have an original edition purchased on eBay.

DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by Adrian1 (# 3994) on :
 
Divine Office. I have the 'Manual of Catholic Devotion' but my (red) copy was printed around 1960/1962 so it doesn't contain 'Holy Communion Series Two' like the 1969 edition. When Andrew Burnham's Manual of Anglo Catholic Devotion came out a few years ago I got a copy but found it rather bulky and somewhat disappointing by comparison with the older books.


 

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Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
A Bible?

Tubbs
 

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Posted by 103 (One-O-Three) (# 5846) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tubbs:
A Bible?

Tubbs

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Originally posted by Tubbs:
A Bible?

Tubbs

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Ahh, now I've heard tell of this Bible. Could you tell us a little more about it?


 

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Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
You mean Lectionary

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Originally posted by angloid:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Barbara Pym.

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Originally posted by Thurible:
I'm sure I've heard of the Bible. I think it's a collection of quotations from the Missal, isn't it?

Thurible

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Ahh, yes. That's the one! I knew I'd come across it somewhere.

I don't know. These new-fangled things!
 

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Posted by The Gentle Duffie (# 10901) on :
 
Good call on Mascall, Erconwald. His Saraband, though it should have been edited better, is a fine autobiography as well.
 

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Posted by cocktailgirl (# 8684) on :
 
George Herbert and Evelyn Underhill. Of the latter, especially The Mystery of Sacrifice and Concerning the Inner Life.
 

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Posted by Cusanus (# 692) on :
 
Robertson Davies' The Cunning Man. (Indeed, all discerning persons should have the works of Canada's Finest.)
 

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Posted by Maniple (# 2237) on :
 
The poems of S.J. Forrest. Examples here.
 

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Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 
After rising from my bed of sickness this morning after a week of ague, I am sickened once more by the appallingly cynical and lowbrow books that are being offered up here.

Everybody knows thatthe only books any self-respecting A/C priest needs are:

Larousse Gastronomique

The Savoy Hotel Cocktail Handbook (1929 edition)

The Diaries of Sir Henry 'Chips' Channon

Bishops at Large - Anson

Church Builders of the Nineteenth Century - Clarke

This is the Mass - Fulton J Sheen

The Commonplace Book of Monsignior Gilbey

Anything by Alice Thomas Ellis, Evelyn Waugh, Simon Raven or Muriel Spark

It's all you need.

Cosmo
 

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Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
Posted by seasick:

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Why do you need a copy of the ASB to be a self-respecting Anglo-Catholic priest?

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Originally posted by angloid over in Purg
Soundings [ed. A R Vidler: Cambridge University Press 1962] -

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Adeodatus said:
* Which begs the question of why there should be such a thing as a redundant chalice veil, obviously.

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Originally posted by seasick:

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Adeodatus said:
* Which begs the question of why there should be such a thing as a redundant chalice veil, obviously.

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I'm sure that Sarum Sleuth or Back-to-Front would be pleased to answer this.

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Originally posted by Cusanus:
Robertson Davies' The Cunning Man. (Indeed, all discerning persons should have the works of Canada's Finest.)

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Another Robertson Davies fan! I love his stuff. My favourite has to be the Salterton Trilogy, especially 'Leaven of Malice'.

Humane Carthlick, having two copies of that book is Just Plain Greedy. Where, may I ask, did you acquire those?
 

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Posted by Fifi (# 8151) on :
 
To say nothing of Joyce Coombs' Judgement on Hatcham (Fr Tooth).

And The Chalice & the Sword by Ernest Raymond (Frs Mackonochie & Stanton dramatised - for want of a better word)

And Consecrated Women? by Jonathan Baker (because he could use the royalties and it needs to be read)

And the collected works of Mrs David - starting, naturally, with French Provincial Cookery.
 

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Posted by Lamburnite (# 9516) on :
 
I'll second Adeodatus on Lucia (not too church-related, but they're surprisingly wise about the dynamics of a small community such as, say, a parish).

And, since I've already introduced a few silly things, I'll add Paris Leary's Innocent Curate to the list. It is particularly hard to come by; not only does it have an early Edward Gorey illustration on the dustjacket, but it includes a damning (and not very well disguised) portrait of a former rector of a parish in upstate New York; said rector has done his best over the years to destroy whatever copies he could find.

[ 15. March 2006, 02:06: Message edited by: Lamburnite ]
 

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Posted by Ham'n'Eggs (# 629) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cosmo:
This is the Mass - Fulton J Sheen

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Originally posted by Fifi:
To say nothing of Joyce Coombs' Judgement on Hatcham (Fr Tooth).

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To every change a most unflinching foe,
His answer - stereotyped - was always No.

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Humane Carthlick, having two copies of that book is Just Plain Greedy. Where, may I ask, did you acquire those?

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The first, for $1, in 1994, I think at St Peter's Bookroom in Melbourne. It went walkabout for many years, but was recently returned to its rightful owner, who is very pleased indeed.

By contrast the second copy, acquired last year whilst the first was awol, cost 85 quid at the SPCK bookshop on Tufton st, Westminster. And I don't regret it for a minute - even though the first copy has (miraculously!) reappeared.
 

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Posted by humane catholic (# 9440) on :
 
Forgive the double post, but has anyone yet mentioned the works of Father Andrew? ("Our Lady's Hymn", "The Seven Signs of Christ", "The Song of Redeeming Love", etc . . .) Fabulous and pithy AC liturgical devotional works.
 

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Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 

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Originally posted by Lamburnite:
And, since I've already introduced a few silly things, I'll add Paris Leary's Innocent Curate to the list. It is particularly hard to come by; not only does it have an early Edward Gorey illustration on the dustjacket, but it includes a damning (and not very well disguised) portrait of a former rector of a parish in upstate New York; said rector has done his best over the years to destroy whatever copies he could find.

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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
Posted by seasick:

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Why do you need a copy of the ASB to be a self-respecting Anglo-Catholic priest?

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A copy of the ASB, suitably draped with, say, a redundant chalice veil*, makes an excellent plinth for a statue of the Sacred Heart.


* Which begs the question of why there should be such a thing as a redundant chalice veil, obviously.

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Surely every church deserves a new one every now and then?

Incidentally, are any of these books permitted to the laity, or are we only allowed to osculate the cover as Father* passes?

* or Mother, obviously
 

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Posted by Erconwald (# 10918) on :
 

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Originally posted by Lamburnite:
And, since I've already introduced a few silly things, I'll add Paris Leary's Innocent Curate to the list. It is particularly hard to come by; not only does it have an early Edward Gorey illustration on the dustjacket, but it includes a damning (and not very well disguised) portrait of a former rector of a parish in upstate New York; said rector has done his best over the years to destroy whatever copies he could find.

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Originally posted by Crotalus:

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Originally posted by Fifi:
To say nothing of Joyce Coombs' Judgement on Hatcham (Fr Tooth).

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And her life of Archdeacon Denison:

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To every change a most unflinching foe,
His answer - stereotyped - was always No.

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Btw, has anybody mentioned Reed's Glorious Battle ?

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Originally posted by Henry Troup:
How did we get this far without anything by Lancelot Andrewes, usually Manual of Private Devotions?

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Cosmo said:
I also think, for light relief, Ceremonial Curiosities - Forse is worthwhile; it's a charming read.

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Originally posted by humane catholic:
The first, for $1, in 1994, I think at St Peter's Bookroom in Melbourne.

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I shouldn't be surprised that there's never anything good left amongst the second hand books at St Peter's Bookroom when I visit!

I have a biography of Father Andrew, SSC, but none of his writings. Will keep eyes peeled.

I should also recommend to any Australian Anglo-Carthlick that they have a copy of John Hope of Christ Church: a Sydney Church Era. My copy comes from the estate of a deceased bishop, so it's extra holy.

I've also recently acquired a biography (I ought to say hagiography) of George Merrick Long, one time Bishop of Newcastle, written by W.A. Hardie, a former Dean of Newcastle.
 

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Posted by The Dumb Acolyte (# 1158) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cosmo:
After rising from my bed of sickness this morning after a week of ague, I am sickened once more by the appallingly cynical and lowbrow books that are being offered up here.

Everybody knows thatthe only books any self-respecting A/C priest needs are:

Larousse Gastronomique

The Savoy Hotel Cocktail Handbook (1929 edition)

...

It's all you need.

Cosmo

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Thank God he's back. I don't know how I made it through the week without our our Turbulent Little Father Cosmo™!
 

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Posted by Crotalus (# 4959) on :
 
And, of course, no one should be without his copy of J.G. Lockhart's life of Cosmo.
 

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Posted by Zach82 (# 3208) on :
 
Do Anglo-Catholics realize that the laity can't tell the difference between a priest executing an obscure liturgy with archaic wording and precise ceremony and a priest muttering some fluff from the 1979 Book of Common Prayer while making the sign of the cross lots of times?

Probably because the two are practically the same thing anyway.

Zach
 

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Posted by Burbling Psalmist (# 9514) on :
 

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Do Anglo-Catholics realize that the laity can't tell the difference between a priest executing an obscure liturgy with archaic wording and precise ceremony and a priest muttering some fluff from the 1979 Book of Common Prayer while making the sign of the cross lots of times?

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No Anglo-Catholic priest worth his/her salt would make the elementary mistake of worrying about what the laity think, surely?

BP

[ 17. March 2006, 09:37: Message edited by: Burbling Psalmist ]
 

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Posted by seasick (# 48) on :
 

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Zach82 said:
Do Anglo-Catholics realize that the laity can't tell the difference between a priest executing an obscure liturgy with archaic wording and precise ceremony and a priest muttering some fluff from the 1979 Book of Common Prayer while making the sign of the cross lots of times?

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Originally posted by Zach82:
Do Anglo-Catholics realize that the laity can't tell the difference between a priest executing an obscure liturgy with archaic wording and precise ceremony and a priest muttering some fluff from the 1979 Book of Common Prayer while making the sign of the cross lots of times?

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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:

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Originally posted by Zach82:
Do Anglo-Catholics realize that the laity can't tell the difference between a priest executing an obscure liturgy with archaic wording and precise ceremony and a priest muttering some fluff from the 1979 Book of Common Prayer while making the sign of the cross lots of times?

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The congregation at large may not be able to tell the difference (although most people can instinctively spot when something's being done Right - indeed, I rather suspect that the reason these Traditions have been handed down to us is because they look like Traditions are popularly supposed to more than expected by chance) - the important thing is:

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Originally posted by Jonathan the Free:
You appear to have forgotten to include the Church of England's Alternative Service Book 1980 in your list.

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Originally posted by Alogon:
Apostolic Succcession: is it true? by Felix Cirlot.

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Originally posted by Zappa:
I'm glad Adeodatus mentioned Brideshead Revisited , and Bernard Mahler mentioned Dix.

I would have thought John MacQuarrie's Paths in Spirituality was still useful. I still think Michael Ramsay's The Christian Priest Today is valuable.

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Originally posted by The Gentle Duffie:
Fr. Puller's The Continuity of the Church of England is rather inexpensive. http://www.accipepotestatem.com/ has a lot of free material on the Anglican Orders subsection of discussions about apostolic succession. Also, Conciliar Press has an inexpensive booklet on Apostolic Succession, by Gregory Rogers.

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Originally posted by Crotalus:
And, of course, no one should be without his copy of J.G. Lockhart's life of Cosmo.

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I have this and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Archbp Lang was a star
 

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Posted by Magnum Mysterium (# 3418) on :
 

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Originally posted by angloid:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Barbara Pym.

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Originally posted by Hooker's Trick:
Obviously, the one essential book to love and ponder is the Laws of Ecclesiastical Politie.

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Originally posted by Back-to-Front:

As for Ritual Notes, until very recently, it was available from the publishing wing of the Anglican Catholic Church, as it is the standard ceremonial book of that church. It doesn't appear to be listed on their site but it's worth enquiring.

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The 11th edition is still available via the Anglican Church in America website.

Liz
 

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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
O frabjous day, caloo, calay!

I have just ordered Ritual Notes, Manual for Priests, and the 1928 BCP from the ACC...
 

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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
After discussions with the Locum, who is a Canon Emeritus, and keeps recommending good carthlick books to me, I thought I'd compile a library of everything people have recommended on here.

Before I do so, are there any other books any of you would like to recommend?

WIthout being frivolous, and in all seriousness, what are THE most IMPORTANT books for an Anglo-Catholic to have? I just cannot see myself being able to find or get *all* the books listed (the current list is about 3 A4 pages )...
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 

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WIthout being frivolous, and in all seriousness, what are THE most IMPORTANT books for an Anglo-Catholic to have?

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:
After discussions with the Locum, who is a Canon Emeritus, and keeps recommending good carthlick books to me, I thought I'd compile a library of everything people have recommended on here.

Before I do so, are there any other books any of you would like to recommend?

WIthout being frivolous, and in all seriousness, what are THE most IMPORTANT books for an Anglo-Catholic to have? I just cannot see myself being able to find or get *all* the books listed (the current list is about 3 A4 pages )...

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Nunc, I'm sure this collecting of a library is not something to be done quickly, it takes a lifetime of serendipitous discoveries in second hand bookshops, deceased estates, fortuitous gifts, and the like - I'm sure you'll eventually find most things on the list. When you eventually make your pilgrimage Home you'll also find that a lot of things are more easily obtainable than they are here too. Good luck with the hunting!
 

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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
True enough. But it doesn't bode well that these things largely aren't to be obtained for love or money, even over the www.

I drooled on Friday, and exclaimed with envy, when I found a copy of The Parson's Handbook on the shelves of my training rector's office.

Her reply was, "So you want a book that tells you about how sheep should be placed on the village green..."

Well, yes. Actually.


 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
Nunc,

Take heart - I have been able to get a reasonably interesting collection in only about five years; alongside luck, identifying good bookshops local to you and establishing a relationship with those online with a reputation in this field can only help. You are welcome to PM me if you would like a list of sources I am aware of but my search nearly always starts with the secondhand section of my local SPCK!
 

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Posted by Magnum Mysterium (# 3418) on :
 
Picked myself up a copy of the Shape of the Liturgy on the weekend at a second hand bookshop. Wasn't exactly cheap, but certainly much cheaper than others I'd seen.
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
By the way, collectors may be interested to know that Gage Books have just put out a new Anglican list including 9th edition Ritual Notes, two Parson's Handbooks, an SSPP Abridged Anglican Missal, and Whatton's Priest's Companion.
 

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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
EEEK!!!!
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:
EEEK!!!!

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:
And why wasn't I told about this site before?

That Whatton's Priest's Companion has my name on it!

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You didn't ask!

Other goodies include:

Clarke, Basil F.L.; CHURCH BUILDERS OF THE NINETEENTH CENTURY - A STUDY OF THE GOTHIC REVIVAL IN ENGLAND (as referenced earlier in this list, I think)

Several tracts by the SSPP (Society of Saint Peter and Saint Paul), with which Ronald Knox was heavily involved at one time and which produced the Anglican Missal.

Staley, Vernon; THE CEREMONIAL OF THE ENGLISH CHURCH (an interesting book from an “English Use” perspective.)

Here is the source: http://www.gagebooks.com/catalogue/Ang65.htm

I am telling myself that I DO NOT WANT and CANNOT AFFORD the SSPP Missal but I'm not sure if I have convinced myself yet.

Anthony.
 

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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
Just ordered several things from Gage Books...

Yes, Whatton's Priest's Companion, Dearmer's Handbook, and Merrily on High were among the items ordered...

And I have a whole list of other books I'll be thinking about.
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:
Just ordered several things from Gage Books...

Yes, Whatton's Priest's Companion, Dearmer's Handbook, and Merrily on High were among the items ordered...

And I have a whole list of other books I'll be thinking about.

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:
Just ordered several things from Gage Books...

Yes, Whatton's Priest's Companion, Dearmer's Handbook, and Merrily on High were among the items ordered...

And I have a whole list of other books I'll be thinking about.

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Merrily on High? I missed Merrily on High??! Serves me right for skim-reading...

eBay is often good if you are not in a hurry - e.g. a copy of Colin Stephenson's account of the Anglican shrine at Walsingham "Walsingham Way" went yesterday for £17. Just outside my limit, unfortunately.

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Just checked up, and The Priest's Book of Private Devotion was revised by a Father Briscoe, not Bristowe.

DIVINE OFFICE

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:
Having done a massive amount of editing, could I ask that if you post a book title, if at all possible could you post its bibliographic details (Author, place of publication, publisher, date of publication

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I've realised too that online resources are very important. So if you come across good A-C books/tracts/pamphlets/articles online, please post links!

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Why not start a del.icio.us page with these links, and posting the link on here? I can set one up if you like. That way, they're all in the one place and easily accessible through a single URL - and there's a chance you can discover similar sites at the same time.
 

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Posted by humane catholic (# 9440) on :
 
Nunc!
 

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Posted by Magnum Mysterium (# 3418) on :
 
OK everyone, I have started a new book collection in Library Thing, with the user handle 'ecclesiantics' - see here. I have put in most of the suggestions that have been listed on these threads, but I haven't yet done many prayer books or missals.

Library Thing offers suggestions for books that users may also like, listed under the 'Pssst...' tab (similarly tagged, people who own ... also own ... etc). The suggestions based on our catalogue already make for very interesting reading and perhaps will prompt shipmates to add more suggestions.

If anyone would like to contribute to the ecclesiantics Library Thing catalogue by adding more books or adding useful tags to the books already there, please PM me for the password.

I only ask that you please do not delete any of the books that are already there, and refrain from adding duplicate records.
 

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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
You totally rock, MM.
 

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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
But I notice that GAC Whatton's Priest's Companion isn't on the list...
 

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Posted by Magnum Mysterium (# 3418) on :
 

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:
But I notice that GAC Whatton's Priest's Companion isn't on the list...

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It's still a work in progress, so don't fear.
 

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Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
You can have the added delights of crawling around my libraries of heresy whilst meandering wound LibraryThing ... no anglo catholic tags though. More sort of libcaff heretic
 

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Posted by Magnum Mysterium (# 3418) on :
 

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Originally posted by Zappa:
You can have the added delights of crawling around my libraries of heresy whilst meandering wound LibraryThing ... no anglo catholic tags though. More sort of libcaff heretic

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I note that at least one item from your library matches our bibliography, Father. Percy Dearmer, if I recall correctly. Come out dear, you know you want to...
 

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Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Never ... I'll hide behide my post-modern chazzie 'til the day I die
 

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Posted by Cosmo (# 117) on :
 

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Originally posted by Magnum Mysterium:
OK everyone, I have started a new book collection in Library Thing, with the user handle 'ecclesiantics' - see here. I have put in most of the suggestions that have been listed on these threads, but I haven't yet done many prayer books or missals.

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Originally posted by Cosmo:
You will be glad to know that of the 123 books on that list I have 121.

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Originally posted by Cosmo:
You will be glad to know that of the 123 books on that list I have 121.

Some curious choices (not sure how Chips Channon's Diary is an Anglo-Catholic classic with the exception of it being one of the campest books in Christendom) but otherwise all good sound stuff.

Cosmo

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Bloody show-off! Wait till I add more.

I think you've answered your own question too, Father.
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 
Until today, I had the Cyril Pocknee rewrite of The Parson's Handbook, but as of today I also have Percy Dearmer's own Tenth Edition, and I can already see what I've been missing...

It may be mentioned here that men are apt to think their surplices longer than they really are, because, when one leans forward to look at the length of the garment, it drops several inches in front. (p. 142)

Now the worship of Mammon has so far intrenched on the honour due to God that the sweater has his own way with us, and it is considered seemly for a minister to appear in church in the garment called a 'sausage-skin', a so-called surplice that is not only short, but is entirely deprived of gathers, so that a few extra half-pence may be saved from the cost of worship. (p. 143)


 

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Posted by Monty (# 9227) on :
 
I note on the LibraryThing users with the same books I come out tops with 24 and you, Scottknitter, come second with your 17.
 

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Posted by Ed Bakker (# 2706) on :
 

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:

And where can you get them from? I only have a photocopy of Ritual Notes which is looking tatty and sad...

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Hi Nunc.D,
For my postulant studies I had to get the ritual notes by Lamburn, eleventh edition, which I managed to get through Amazon in the USA ( via the Internet ) It took me a while to get it.
Pax

Ed......
 

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Posted by Comper's Child (# 10580) on :
 
Congratulations to Scott - Cyril Pocknee's edition is a pale reflection indeed of Percy's magnum opus.
 

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Posted by Anthropax (# 11234) on :
 
My LibraryThing informs me that I only have three titles mentioned - something to be changed! (I have the same name on it as here)

I was very pleased to see Nigel Yates' 'Anglican Ritualism in Victorian Britain', as I have a few lectures with him next year, and even sit near him in Chapel. Both he and his wife are some of the highest people I know. They also bow in unison at the appropriate time.
 

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Posted by Magnum Mysterium (# 3418) on :
 
I've added about 30 more titles to the Ecclesiantics list on Library Thing (see link above).

More suggestions are welcome for the list - especially if you see any "people who own this also own this" kinds of recommendations on Library Thing itself.

Library Thing also has a rating system. I was thinking of putting ratings on each of the books depending on how "necessary" people think they are to self-respecting A-Cism. This will be fraught with all sorts of contentions, I know. Any ideas?
 

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Posted by Magnum Mysterium (# 3418) on :
 
Just popping by to brag about my latest acquisition - a copy of the 11th edition of Lamburn's Ritual Notes, near mint condition, with dust jacket and small insert supplement for the variations to the Western rite resulting from Vatican II. Oh, and it includes illustrative photographs from St Alban's, Holborn.

It cost me a pretty penny, but if I'm ever poor I'm sure I'll make a mint on it.
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
I've recently obtained the following items:-

1) The 9th edition of Ritual Notes published in 1946. It therefore predates the reforms to the Western Rite made by Pius XII in the 1950s. It makes an interesting comparison with the reprint of the 11th edition of 1964 which I also have, which started to creep very slightly in the Novus Ordo direction.

2) Merrily On High by Colin Stephenson, which is a brilliant read and full of reminiscences of spiky religion.

3) The 1936 edition of Catholic Prayers for Church of England People,originally compiled by Fr Stanton of St Alban's, Holborn.


I am still seeking the following:-

1) Walsingham Way by Colin Stephenson

2) The Priest's Companion by Fr GAC Whatton.

3) The 1950 edition of A Manual of Catholic Devotion for members of the Church of England ,published by the Church Literature Association. I already have that of 1969.


DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
Also still lusting after Whatton's Priest's Companion.
 

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Posted by Anthropax (# 11234) on :
 
Gage Books has a copy of 'Merrily on High', and four copies of 'Walsingham Way' - I'd love them, but they're a bit out of my price range at £40-£50 each.
 

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Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
This is going to be a very ignorant newbie question, but why is the Revised English Bible the only Bible on the list? Why not the King James, or the Revised Authorised, or the New Jerusalem Bible for example?

I am interested because I didn't return to one church bible study group after the leaders reacted with criticism to an alternative translation of the bible compared to their preferred version, not interested discussion as to why the versions varied. I think I could have been trying to compare a New Jerusalem Bible (mine) as the only pocket version I own, to the New International Version, as used by the group leader.

Apologies if there is a topic on this somewhere, but I couldn't find it when I checked in Dead Horses.
 

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Posted by Monty (# 9227) on :
 
Some other books needed for the perfect AC, on the poetical side
The Canterbury pewside book by Fred Pope pseud. [i.e. Peter Howard Butler.]
Pi in the high by Eric Lionel Mascall
What's the use? (Humorous poems) by Stanley John Forrest
Time for a rhyme by Stanley John Forrest
Chapter and verse. [Verse] by Stanley John Forrest
Another gap is
Frank, Bishop of Zanzibar. Life of Frank Weston, D.D., 1871-1924 by Smith, Herbert Maynard
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
Anthropax wrote:-

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Gage Books has a copy of 'Merrily on High', and four copies of 'Walsingham Way' - I'd love them, but they're a bit out of my price range at £40-£50 each.

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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
This is going to be a very ignorant newbie question, but why is the Revised English Bible the only Bible on the list? Why not the King James, or the Revised Authorised, or the New Jerusalem Bible for example?

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Apologies if there is a topic on this somewhere, but I couldn't find it when I checked in Dead Horses.

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Originally posted by Magnum Mysterium:
Just popping by to brag about my latest acquisition - a copy of the 11th edition of Lamburn's Ritual Notes, near mint condition, with dust jacket and small insert supplement for the variations to the Western rite resulting from Vatican II. Oh, and it includes illustrative photographs from St Alban's, Holborn.

It cost me a pretty penny, but if I'm ever poor I'm sure I'll make a mint on it.

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this week saw the acquisition of Fr. Belton's "Manual for Confessors",

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Originally posted by Comper's Child:
Directorium Anglicanum, of course, though they're scarce as hen's teeth.

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Originally posted by Comper's Child:
57 or earlier. The later one was heavily edited to eliminate some of the quaintest features of Percy's era!

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Originally posted by Magnum Mysterium:
Is it worth including the books on this list in our list?

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:

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this week saw the acquisition of Fr. Belton's "Manual for Confessors",

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*envious*

I haven't been able to find anything like it ANYWHERE.

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Originally posted by Anthropax:

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:

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this week saw the acquisition of Fr. Belton's "Manual for Confessors",

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*envious*

I haven't been able to find anything like it ANYWHERE.

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There's a copy on Ebay atm - linky

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:

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Originally posted by Anthropax:

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:

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this week saw the acquisition of Fr. Belton's "Manual for Confessors",

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*envious*

I haven't been able to find anything like it ANYWHERE.

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There's a copy on Ebay atm - linky

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I bought a copy recently. For far too much.

And then discovered a copy of the second edition going for NOTHING on the throw out table in the library at college. (They have another copy of the 3rd edition.)

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Ouch! My sympathies. But was there anything else interesting on the table?

Anthony.
 

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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
A copy of the third section of Scripture in Song?



Unfortunately not, MM.
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
Hooray!! Just managed to buy a copy of Fr GAC Whatton's Priest's Companion!!!

I won't say how much I paid for it, but I'll be living on bread and water for a while!!!

I can't wait for it to arrive!

DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
*green with envy*
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 

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Originally posted by Divine Office:
Hooray!! Just managed to buy a copy of Fr GAC Whatton's Priest's Companion!!!

I won't say how much I paid for it, but I'll be living on bread and water for a while!!!

I can't wait for it to arrive!

DIVINE OFFICE

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Congratualtions, Divine Office. You are obviously very committed to your collection and I wish you all the best with your new addition. Can you post a commentary at some point? I am sure we would be interested to know a little more about it.

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Originally posted by lukacs:
It is a fine outline of Anglo-Catholic beliefs, and was recently reprinted by Tufton Books/Canterbury Press.

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Originally posted by Divine Outlaw Dwarf:
To be honest, it's a fine statement of somewhat conservative pre-Vatican II Roman Catholic beliefs, with acknowledgment of an Anglican context

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Isn't that Anglo-Catholicism in a nutshell?
 

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Posted by dolphy (# 862) on :
 

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Originally posted by Divine Office:
Hooray!! Just managed to buy a copy of Fr GAC Whatton's Priest's Companion!!!

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Answered by Nunc:
*green with envy*

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Nunc, I'm not promising but, I have located a possible second hand copy for you. I'll keep you informed

[ 28. September 2006, 15:27: Message edited by: dolphy ]
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
Got my Priest's Companion this morning! It is a truly wonderful devotional resource which ought to be reprinted! Are you listening, Canterbury Press?!!!

I will post my full impressions of the book later, but I do hope that you manage to get a copy of your own, Nunc. You won't regret it!!!!


DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
If anyone is interested, there is currently another copy of GAC Whatton's Priest's Companion up for auction on eBay. If you type in "Breviary" it should come up. At the time of this post there are no other bids on it.

DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by Magnum Mysterium (# 3418) on :
 
I don't think anyone has mentioned any of the writings of Jung yet - any takers?
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
Another good week for acquisitions, if not for my bank balance; a bound series of tracts by John Henry, Cardinal Newman, The Pastoral Semons of Monsignor Ronald Knox, Peter F. Anson's the Hermit of Cat Island, all by or about swimmers of the Tiber and, more immediately relevant to this list, the 11th (1964) edition of Ritual Notes with a nice contemporaneous Anglican Services.

Casting back, I suspect that anything by Dom Gregory Dix is worth a cleric having but in addition to The Shape of the Liturgy, his Question of Anglican Orders is well worth perusing - as, I believe, is his Jurisdiction in the Early Church, although I have not yet got around to reading the latter.

I am glad to see that Canon Vernon Staley has got a mention but I don't think anyone has yet commended his Ceremonial of the English Church, which should be highly congenial to those of the "English Use" school. He also edited the excellent Library of Liturgiology and Ecclesiology for english Readers, which I am slowly collecting. Some time ago I acquired a copy of the "Essays on Ceremonial" volume which, aside from essays from the pen of Dearmer, St. John Hope, Wickham Legg and others, had been considerably enriched by marginal notations and interleaved newspaper cuttings chiefly relating to vestments, dating back to the 1930s. I also have a copy of its reprint of the first Prayer Book which came from a Unitarian theological college, of all places!
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
Sorry to double-post, but browsing on eBay reminded me of two further books well worth featuring on the list from a "Sarum" perspective, these being the Chichester Customary and the wonderfully-titled Notes on Ceremonial from the Antient [sic] English Office Books with the Order of Holy Communion - the latter also doubling as a nice Sarum-influenced Missal.
 

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Posted by Magnum Mysterium (# 3418) on :
 
Two big scores for me this week: Fortescue and O'Connell, and a GAC Whatton Priest's Companion.
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 

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Originally posted by Magnum Mysterium:
Two big scores for me this week: Fortescue and O'Connell, and a GAC Whatton Priest's Companion.

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Congratulations - it sounds like a book well worth having. I passed on a copy of the Raccolta, but did get one rather nice score - an acceptable copy of Lane and Ahearne's "Pontifical Ceremonies", a study of the episcopal ceremonies in a Roman Catholic context, from a very helpful seller. Can anyone recommend a comparable book from an Anglican perspective? I don't recall one being mentioned on the list so far.

Anthony.
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
Thought it might be worth bumping this thread to draw shipmates' attention to this rather nice 1934 (8th?) edition of Fortescue/O'Connell's "Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described", as mentioned early on in the thread. I have the same edition, and it is certainly a very handsome volume.

Also worth noting is this copy of the Parson's Handbook (the second one listed).

I am looking forward to receiving a copy of the Alcuin Club's "Notes on Episcopal Ornaments and Ceremonial" in the next few days; hopefully it should be the answer to the question I posed above!

[ 27. October 2006, 14:06: Message edited by: Manipled Mutineer ]
 

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Posted by MattV (# 11314) on :
 
I just got copies of The People's Anglican Missal and Dufy's Stripping of the Altars.
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 

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Originally posted by MattV:
I just got copies of The People's Anglican Missal and Dufy's Stripping of the Altars.

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Originally posted by lukacs:
PEOPLE'S ANGLICAN MISSAL is indeed the US edition. As for your signature, um . . .

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:

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Originally posted by MattV:
I just got copies of The People's Anglican Missal and Dufy's Stripping of the Altars.

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Very nice; I have the Duffy, although I haven't go around to reading it yet. Also his "Voices of Morebath", which I understand is the story of the Reformation through the eyes of the people of the village of the title.

Is the Anglican Missal the American edition?

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I have read about 20 pages of Duffy
 

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Posted by magnum mysterium (# 3418) on :
 
My Whatton and my Fortescue arrived this week!
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
magnum mysterium wrote:-

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My Whatton and my Fortescue arrived this week!

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Originally posted by Saint Bertelin:
The Eucharistic Year from SCM-Canterbury Press has Eucharistic devotional quotes from the Fathers for each day of the liturgical year. I still use it.

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Originally posted by Divine Office:
Just obtained a copy of the 1940 edition of Vaux and Littledale's Priest's Prayer Book for peanuts! I've seen one go on eBay for around £50.

Amongst other interesting things, it has a rite of deprivation of holy orders for use by a bishop!!!

DIVINE OFFICE

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Originally posted by Fiddleback:
Nobody seems to have mentioned G A C Whatton's "A Priest's Companion" which I have found indespensable. Next best thing to the Raccolta (although Ambrose St John's translation of the Latin is, in places, excruciating e.g. 'I compassionate thee, O Mary')

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On this point, has anyone had the opportunity to compare the Raccolta in the translation by Ambrose St. John, published by Burns and Oates here in the UK, and that by Joseph Christopher, which I think was published in the US by Benzinger Brothers? Would you recommend one over the other?
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
Just got a copy of Horsfield and Riley's This Our Sacrifice dirt cheap!!!

Does anyone know if the church in Paddington in which the Low Mass was photographed still exists, and if so, what the churchmanship is like now?

DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by Sarum Sleuth (# 162) on :
 
Does anyone know if the church in Paddington in which the Low Mass was photographed still exists, and if so, what the churchmanship is like now?

Assuming that the church in question is St Mary Magdalene, Woodchester Street, it is still there, and as far as I know, still Forward in Faith, modern Roman rite and poorly attended. I believe that the vacancy there has just been filled, but can't swear to this.

Hope this helps.

SS

SS
 

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Posted by MattV (# 11314) on :
 
I have a feeling Santa will be leaving a copy of Ritual Notes under the tree
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 

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Originally posted by MattV:
I have a feeling Santa will be leaving a copy of Ritual Notes under the tree

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Originally posted by Comper's Child:
Yelton's new biography of Alfred Hope Patten is also marvelous and should be included.

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Would Butler's Lives of the Saints be too Roman to propose for an Anglo-Catholic library (I am just looking at my copy of the 1991 New Concise Edition)?

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Too Roman?



Thurible
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 

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Originally posted by Thurible:

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Would Butler's Lives of the Saints be too Roman to propose for an Anglo-Catholic library (I am just looking at my copy of the 1991 New Concise Edition)?

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Too Roman?



Thurible

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Originally posted by andersoj:
Is there a "Ship-of-Fools Approved (TM)" used bookshop list somewhere? Threads like this always send me into a book-shopping frenzy, but Amazon.com is not a very satisfying outlet.

For instance, I am celebrating the holidays with my family in Portland, Oregon, and would love to find a charming bookshop which has a collection of used volumes cited in this thread. No idea how to find such a place, however.

I've really been fascinated by the "Parson's Handbook," cited frequently at SoF. Where to get an appropriately loved used copy?

--JA

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
[QB] As to the Parson's Handbook, it is readily available provided you are prepared to pay a longish price (say fifty pounds and above); cheaper copies tend to be the product of lucky finds in bookstores or patient trawling of eBay.

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I got lucky on Ebay, eventually.

A less elegant option, but much cheaper, would be to download a .pdf and print it.
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
I have just finished reading Boston Bohemia - having never heard of it before it was mentioned on this thread.

It didn't seem to be much about anglo-catholicism. More about architecture and homosexuality. Maybe the connection is the relatively liberal attitude the Cowley fathers had about homosexuality compared with the Roman Catholics then and now.
 

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Posted by Comper's Child (# 10580) on :
 
The discussion of Ango-catholicism, homosexuality, and fin de siècle Boston is very amusing in that Shand-Tucci sort of way. Sadly the promised second volume never appeared. I suspect the publishers couldn't get Douglas to finish it.
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
I found it boring - maybe I don't have much interest in the aforementoned subjects and maybe I get impatient with long books.
 

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Posted by Comper's Child (# 10580) on :
 
Well, he does go on and on and on in a rambling fashion...
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
My copy of The Parson's Handbook has just arrived. It looks like a fascinating read!!!

Not sure what my local RC priest would make of it, although the ocasional procession would certainly enhance the worship at my parish!!!

DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
How about 'People, Places and Thinkgs: The Society of Mary' by A. Parkinson & R. McEwen? Ir describes a procession in Manchester with an image of Our Lady complete with glass eyes and ear rings whose hair was combed by a sever during Solemn Vespers.
 

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Posted by Hilda of Whitby (# 7341) on :
 
I sent a private message to another poster about this, but thought all of you might benefit.

there is a terrific site for finding used and out of print books: Advanced Book Exchange.

I use it all the time professionally (I'm a librarian) and personally for books that one can't find on Amazon. It works rather like Amazon marketplace--you place your order through ABE and the order goes to the seller that has the book you've selected. There are scads of used and out of print dealers offering their listings through ABE.

Everything I have ever ordered has been exactly as advertised, so I have never been disappointed. The fact that the sellers are professional book dealers is the reason, I'm sure.

Also, there are terrific ways to search and limit your search on the site (first editions; display from cheapest to most expensive, etc.)

I was able to get a book from a German book dealer through ABE for 10 bucks, including postage ... the same book was for sale through Amazon marketplace for $140!! (It was an obscure title, not really "antiquarian"). So it can be a really good deal, too. It is absolutely my site of choice when I am looking for used or out of print books.

Hilda
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
I've bought some of my rare liturgical books through the Advanced Book Exchange and some through eBay.

ABE is certainly an excellent resource for obtaining rare items. For example, there are currently three copies of Howard Galley's Prayer Book Office listed for sale, but each of them is priced at £100!!!

If you are lucky, eBay can sometimes be cheaper, but sometimes not!!!

DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by magnum mysterium (# 3418) on :
 
A brilliant piece of fiction that someone gave me for Christmass this year that are a must for any self respecting A-C: Four Stories by Alan Bennett.
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
Yes - the story about the masseur's funeral is particularly good - funny yet poignant.
 

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Posted by MattV (# 11314) on :
 
St Nick left copies of Ritual Notes and the Pratice of Religion for me I also had Kinkos bind me a copy of the Parson's Handbook , 2nd edition, which can be found online.


 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
I have to thank Santa for Walsingham Way (nice copy, with dustjacket), Yelton's Anglican Papalism , and John P. Plummer's Many Paths of the Independent Sacramental Movement (about the episcopi vagantes phenomenon, in case anyone was wondering.) I also hope to receive in due course (thanks to the wonders of eBay) copies of the St. Augustine's Prayer Book and the Priest's Prayer Book. So a good week overall.
 

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Posted by Joan Rasch (# 49) on :
 
FWIW, Project Canterbury now has an HTML version of The Parson's Handbook, 1899 version.

cheers
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
Here is the PRIEST's PRAYER BOOK:

http://tinyurl.com/y52ua4

That archive is a gold mine--PRIME AND HOURS FROM THE PRIEST'S BOOK OF PRIVATE DEVOTION is also found there, as well as many other liturgical rarities.
 

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Posted by humane catholic (# 9440) on :
 
Acquired yesterday "Masses of the Dead, taken from the English Missal, together with The Rite of Absolution for the Dead from The English Ritual" (W Knott & sons, 1960) - all nicely bound in black, with lots of black, purple & deep red tabs. It's a slim altar-sized volume, and seems hardly to have been used. Never seen such a thing before - and I've been around. It's terribly, terribly Carth-lick.

Anyone else familiar with it (or, indeed, own it)?

HC
 

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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
When I am in Melbourne this year, HC, I'd like to borrow it to have a look...
 

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Posted by MattV (# 11314) on :
 

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Originally posted by moveable_type:


A less elegant option, but much cheaper, would be to download a .pdf and print it.

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Originally posted by Joan Rasch:
FWIW, Project Canterbury now has an HTML version of The Parson's Handbook, 1899 version.

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Originally posted by MattV:

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Originally posted by moveable_type:


A less elegant option, but much cheaper, would be to download a .pdf and print it.

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I did that and had Kinkos bind me a copy.

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Originally posted by humane catholic:
Acquired yesterday "Masses of the Dead, taken from the English Missal, together with The Rite of Absolution for the Dead from The English Ritual" (W Knott & sons, 1960) - all nicely bound in black, with lots of black, purple & deep red tabs. It's a slim altar-sized volume, and seems hardly to have been used. Never seen such a thing before - and I've been around. It's terribly, terribly Carth-lick.

Anyone else familiar with it (or, indeed, own it)?

HC

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You get all the nice stuff!
 

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Posted by MattV (# 11314) on :
 

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Originally posted by moveable_type:

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Originally posted by MattV:

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Originally posted by moveable_type:


A less elegant option, but much cheaper, would be to download a .pdf and print it.

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I did that and had Kinkos bind me a copy.

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That's much nicer than the three-ring binder I was visualizing.

Information wants to be free!

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Originally posted by Divine Office:
I had a copy of From the Fathers to the Churches a few years ago, but gave it away. As I remember, it was basically the bulk of the patristic readings from the RC Divine Office with a few of them replaced by meditations by Anglican divines, eg for the feast of the Assumption.

It would be a good resource to use with, for example, Common Worship; Daily Prayer if you could manage to pick up a copy. I gather it's quite scarce now.

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there is a 1962 (6th edition) Manual of Catholic Devotion, leatherbound, for auction on eBay at the moment.

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
There's a copy of Percy Dearmer's The English Liturgy on eBay which may be of interest to someone or other!

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
And a used ECUSA Altar Book, although parishes tend to use them to death and discard them, I think. Ours is rather crinkly, waxy, and oily. But it has all the tabs, ribbons, Post-its, paper clips, and inserts just so. Would take a while to set up a new one (but wouldn't it be fun?).

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Originally posted by Divine Office:
Talking of altar missals, has anyone ever used the altar edition of The Anglican Service Book, which I think is still available from the Church of the Good Shepherd in Rosemont?

The Anglican Parishes Association until recently still published an altar edition of the American version of The Anglican Missal, but according to their website it is currently unavailable. Hopefully it will be reprinted.

There is also the reprint of the altar edition of The English Missal available from Canterbury Press in Norwich, but it is rather small for use on a main altar and the text is only printed in black, making it difficult to see the rubrics.

It would be interesting if the Cowley Missal, as formerly used by the SSJE, was to be reprinted. I have seen one or two altar editions for sale on eBay in the past, but they have always fetched high prices.

DIVINE OFFICE

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why should anybody want one of these books for use, as opposed to antiquarian interest? As far as I know they contained the 1662 Communion rite (or presumably, in other editions, the current Amercican rite or whatever), along with material from the Sarum - long out of use - or then Roman missals. Whatever justification one could have given for using the latter surely disappeared with the revision of the Roman rite in the 1960s. The BCP rite remains authorised and available, but those who used the old missal used it reluctantly and only as a framework for cramming as much of a 'proper mass' in as they could.

These days, either use the almost infinite flexibility of Common Worship or, if you believe that as part of the Western Church we should use the Roman rite, do that.

There can surely be no justification for using an illegal rite and it is ironic that people who claim to be 'catholic' see no problem in putting their own prejudices before the rules of the Church.

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Originally posted by Thurible:

If there were to be a 'contemporary language' translation of the 1962 Missal, would that be acceptable?

Thurible

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Originally posted by Thurible:
I was having a similar conversation (re: why should anyone use the English Missal) the other day and the argument given by the proponent was that one could be as fully Papalist using the English Missal because it is, essentially, the 1962 Rite - which is a rite used by the RCC, and thus is not simply antiquarianism.

Thurible

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Originally posted by Joan Rasch:
FWIW, Project Canterbury now has an HTML version of The Parson's Handbook, 1899 version.

cheers

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Originally posted by Thurible:
I was having a similar conversation (re: why should anyone use the English Missal) the other day and the argument given by the proponent was that one could be as fully Papalist using the English Missal because it is, essentially, the 1962 Rite - which is a rite used by the RCC, and thus is not simply antiquarianism.

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Harking back to an earlier discussion, here, for auction, is a copy of Belton's Manual for Confessors.

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Thanks for the heads up on this, which I have just purchased for £2.99 + P&P.

And this might give you a clue about who has bid on your guide to Walsingham.


[ 18. February 2007, 15:41: Message edited by: Chapelhead ]
 

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Posted by MattV (# 11314) on :
 
I attended The Church of the Ascension and St Agnes over the weekend. Not only did I get to experience the People's Anglican Missal in a service, but I was able to purchase a copy of St. Augustine's Prayer book there
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 

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Originally posted by MattV:
I attended The Church of the Ascension and St Agnes over the weekend. Not only did I get to experience the People's Anglican Missal in a service, but I was able to purchase a copy of St. Augustine's Prayer book there

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I've only ever experienced the Anglican Missal at the Anglican Catholic church in Grand Rapids, Michigan (St Paul's). The 1928 BCP was in the pews; the Missal propers were in the bulletin and were sung from the English Gradual. Quite nice.

Afterward, I wrote a letter to the rector with some questions and compliments; some months later I got a reply apologizing for taking so long to reply, "but I've been under treatment for a boil on my buttocks, and I haven't been in my office." Just thought that was the funniest letter I had ever received.
 

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Posted by MattV (# 11314) on :
 

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
Afterward, I wrote a letter to the rector with some questions and compliments; some months later I got a reply apologizing for taking so long to reply, "but I've been under treatment for a boil on my buttocks, and I haven't been in my office." Just thought that was the funniest letter I had ever received.

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Posted by magnum mysterium (# 3418) on :
 
A couple of additions to my library yesterday from a bookshop in Rural and Regional Australia:

* A little book of meditations by Father Andrew

* A little historical work by Farnham E. Maynard.
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
Well, I believe that additional copies of The Priest's Prayer Book, the Manual of Catholic Devotion and the Parson's Handbook are winging their way to me at the moment, which will give me the luxury of replacing the more careworn volumes! I also made the mistake of going into my local SPCK at lunch time and came out 15 minutes later with a dozen volumes in my arms, pretty much all of R.C. interest. They averaged out at less than two pounds a book, so I don't feel too guilty, and my wife didn't comment when I told her about them, which leads me to believe that she probably wasn't listening properly...

Incidentally, Gage Books have put out a new Anglican catalogue, which is where I got the first two volumes from - well worth browsing, including a altar edition of the English Missal , 11th edition Ritual Notes, Pocknee Parson's Handbook and Scottish BCP .
 

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Posted by MattV (# 11314) on :
 

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Well, I believe that additional copies of The Priest's Prayer Book, the Manual of Catholic Devotion and the Parson's Handbook are winging their way to me at the moment, which will give me the luxury of replacing the more careworn volumes! I also made the mistake of going into my local SPCK at lunch time and came out 15 minutes later with a dozen volumes in my arms, pretty much all of R.C. interest. They averaged out at less than two pounds a book, so I don't feel too guilty, and my wife didn't comment when I told her about them, which leads me to believe that she probably wasn't listening properly...

Incidentally, Gage Books have put out a new Anglican catalogue, which is where I got the first two volumes from - well worth browsing, including a altar edition of the English Missal , 11th edition Ritual Notes, Pocknee Parson's Handbook and Scottish BCP .

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If you want to donate your worn books....

 

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Posted by PD (# 12436) on :
 
My every day or every week books are:

The Prayerbook Office - 1963
The 1928 BCP
Lesser Feasts and Fasts - 1963
American Missal
The Priest's Manual
The English Ritual
Ritual Notes 11th edition

Then there are all sorts of other odds and ends too numerous to list when I have to go and read Evensong before it gets any later

PD
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 

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Originally posted by PD:
American Missal

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I bang my head against a wall daily for selling my copy on eBay. Sure wish I hadn't, and sure wish it could be reprinted in a smaller edition, about the size of the English Missal reprint (but with red rubrics, or even blue blubrics, but not all in black!).



[Edited to add the essential emoticon]

[ 21. March 2007, 03:02: Message edited by: Scott Knitter ]
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
How does the last edition of The Parson's Handbook as revised by Pocknee compare with the earlier editions which were purely Dearmer's work?

If you have one of Dearmer's editions, is it worthwhile obtaining the Pocknee version for comparison?

DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 

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Originally posted by Divine Office:
How does the last edition of The Parson's Handbook as revised by Pocknee compare with the earlier editions which were purely Dearmer's work?

If you have one of Dearmer's editions, is it worthwhile obtaining the Pocknee version for comparison?

DIVINE OFFICE

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:

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Originally posted by PD:
American Missal

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I bang my head against a wall daily for selling my copy on eBay. Sure wish I hadn't, and sure wish it could be reprinted in a smaller edition, about the size of the English Missal reprint (but with red rubrics, or even blue blubrics, but not all in black!).

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I now have an American Missal again, thanks to a friend who had his up for sale. Interestingly, a first-time visitor to the apartment on the weekend later expressed through a friend that what impressed her most on the tour (thank God it wasn't the clumps of dust!) was the Missal on my shtender (a lectern with storage for books inside it, traditionally used for Torah study and lecture, given to me in exchange for some writing and editing services), open to the current Sunday propers. Not that I'm that good about reading the propers, but it looked that way.

False impressions...another reason to make sure you have the right books open to the right pages!
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
Just obtained rather a nice pocket edition of The People's Shorter Anglican Missal published in 1939 by the Society of SS Peter and Paul. It makes an interesting comparison with an earlier Shorter edition of 1929 which I also have.

What other editions of the Anglican Missal also existed? There was of course the large altar edition, but I think there was also an "abridged" edition for lay use which had more rather more material than the People's Shorter edition; it would have been similar in content to the American Edition as currently reprinted by the Anglican Parishes Association.

I believe that a copy of this larger abridged edition came up on eBay some time ago, but I was outbid for it. I think it fetched a handsome price.

When did the Anglican Missal finally go out of print? Was it still available when the final edition of the English Missal appeared in 1958?

DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by Mama Thomas (# 10170) on :
 
I have an Anglican Missal, published after 2000, a small red volume published by the Anglican Catholic Church.

I have always wondered what the differences between the Anglican, English, American, and Knott's missals were (are). Were there such things as The Scots/Irish/Canadian/Australian/NZ/South Africa missals? Can you tell me?
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
Divine Office - glad you liked it! In re. versions of the Anglican Missal, Mark Dalby in his excellent book "Anglican Missals and their Canons" gives a brief note on an Abridged Anglican Missal, confirming that it was an expansion, by popular demand, of the People's Shorter Anglican Missal, althogh he doesn't go into detail on the content. I'm hoping to get hold of a copy one day.

Mama Thomas - so far as I know, the Knott Missal is the English Missal, which was orginally produced as a private venture and then sold on by the compiler to Knott. It is similar to, but not identical with, the English Missal for the Laity, which had a different compiler and employed (for example) slightly different translations. This difference became more marked (I understand) at around the time the copyright of the English Missal was sold to Knott, as its translations were influenced by those in the Anglican Missal - of which more below.

The Anglican Missal, and its variants the People's Shorter Anglican Missal, An Abridged Anglican Missal and the Church Missonary Missal, were all produced by the Society of Ss Peter and Paul. The selection of texts is slightly more eclectic and the translations more literary - doubtless due in part to the influence of Fr Ronald Knox. Inter alia, SSPP were also the people who brought the world "Lambeth" incense and the "Ridley" votive candle stand!

The People's Anglican Missal was taken up in due course by the Frank Gavin Liturgical Foundation in the U.S., revised in conformity with the American Prayer Book and issued in an American edition - first in 1946 I think. These have been kept in print by the various continuing churches in the America.

The Rev. G.A.L. Clarke also produced a "People's Missal", which I understand is more eclectic still, mixing in Ambrosian elements and possibly Eastern as well.

Unfortunately I am not at all familiar with the American Missal, so I'll leave it to Scott to answer that one, other than to post this link!

So far as I know, the English and American Anglican traditions are the only ones to have produced distintive missals of this type, although I will be happy to be corrected!
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
This older thread covers the ground above, but rather more precisely.

A.
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
Mama Thomas - I also have a copy of the small red Anglican Missal in the American Edition as reprinted by the Anglican Catholic Church. It compliments the reprinted Anglican Breviary nicely.

The APA also publish an altar edition of the American Anglican Missal, although I believe it is currently out of print.

Manipled Mutineer - I also have a copy of GAL Clarke's People's Missal, which is indeed a fascinating publication. I wonder how widely it was used amongst Anglo-Catholics - it was rather more exotic than, for exmple, the English Liturgy published by Rivingtons, but more avant garde than the English or Anglican Missals.

I do have a suspicion that Fr Clarke's People's Missal may have been used at Thaxted Parish Church at one time - I think it might well have appealed to Conrad Noel!

Hopefully I'll get my hands on a copy of the Abridged Anglican Missal one day. The slight differences between the 1929 and 1939 of The Shorter People's Anglican Missal are interesting - for example, the latter has a Kalendar, the asperges and some portions of Gregorian chant in the order of mass, which the former does not. The differences in artwork between the two editions are aslo interesting.

DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Unfortunately I am not at all familiar with the American Missal, so I'll leave it to Scott to answer that one, other than to post this link!

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Originally posted by lukacs:
One of my acquaintances in the Continuum praises the AMERICAN MISSAL for its avoidance of what he calls "Father Gavin's Gotcha's," the confusing rubrics of the ANGLICAN MISSAL.

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Originally posted by Comper's Child:
I'd highly recommend "The Congregation in Church" published by Mowbrays, my edition is 1912, but it's clearly much earlier. It's subtitled A Plain Guide to a reverent and intelligent participation in the Public Services of Holy Church.

On the cover are the charming words - "Ask for the Old Paths and Walk Therein".

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Originally posted by Mama Thomas:
The Ritual Reason Why by Charles Walker.

Makes a tat queen's heart go pit-a-pat, and provides a lifetime of interesting tid-bits to throw into sermons.

Wish I had one. If anyone does, please scan and send, or photocopy and post. It's not that long. Would love to have one. Read it once a few years ago. The priest who had it will forever fill an emptyness, because amidst all the borrowings, it never came back. He's on Maewo now. He won't find another copy there, I assure you.

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Originally posted by Mama Thomas:
The Ritual Reason Why by Charles Walker...[m]akes a tat queen's heart go pit-a-pat, and provides a lifetime of interesting tid-bits to throw into sermons.

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Originally posted by lukacs:
Has Fr. Sullivan's EXTERNALS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH been mentioned yet?

http://tinyurl.com/39cnwj

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I picked up a copy recently; I think I am going to enjoy it, although mine is a school edition, and so I wonder if it might not be slightly simplified as compared to the original.

I also greatly enjoyed spending the past couple of days perusing the Warham Guild Handbook - Historical and Descriptive Notes on 'Ornaments of the Church and of the Ministers Thereof.' Apart from the handsome illustrations of Warham Guild work in the "english Use" idiom, it is also a useful glossary and interesting respository of advice on vestments and church furnishings. Additionally, the spirit of Percy Dearmer breathes forth from every page, for good or for ill; including (I noted) his odd and slightly risible aversion to trousers as a mode of dress for men. (It was in a discussion of the cassock I believe, in case anyone was wondering.) Taken with a pinch of salt, it coudl be an interesting resource for someone trying to furnish and arrange their church in an "English Use" style.
 

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Posted by chive (# 208) on :
 
Can I just do a quick boast? In attempting to learn more of the catholic (small c) side of the church I ordered a copy of Ronnie Knox's translation of the Roman Missal from Abe for £15. When it arrived this week it had notes all the way through it. The writer of the notes had his name inscribed on the flyleaf - J B O'Connell.
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
(can't find one for "envy"...)
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
Good lord, man. You found the Grail. You could flip that for a lot of money, but I imagine you will hold on to it and it is well that you do.
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
It may be of interest to know that Gage Books' new worship catalogue has just been released.

I am currently working my way through E.M. Almedingen's biography of Dom Bernard Clements, priest, Anglican Benedictine, preacher, Vicar of All Saint's Margaret Street, etc. It is very enjoyable, even if the language is a little overcooked. Also looking forward to receiving a copy of "Catholic Prayers for Church of England People" shortly!
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
I got the 1936 edition of Catholic Prayers for Church of England People last year. It's a nice, handy pocket-sized volume.
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
What sort of prayers are found therein? Is it an office book with devotions like the MANUAL OF CATHOLIC DEVOTION?
 

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Posted by Pearl B4 Swine (# 11451) on :
 
If you want some comic relief, try finding "Organo Pleno", by Gordon Reynolds, pub. Novello, 1970. Its a small (48 pg) book about Organist/Choirmasters and their plight. Starts with a dictionary of terms- for example:
Boys: unsatisfactory alternatives to girls
And a few pages later-
Girls: unsatisfactory alternatives to boys

Hymnals: books of hymns, sensitive to the pull of gravity at solemn moments

It is very funny, especially to musicos, but clergy might find it enlightening too.
 

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Posted by Archimandrite (# 3997) on :
 

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Originally posted by Divine Office:
I got the 1936 edition of Catholic Prayers for Church of England People last year. It's a nice, handy pocket-sized volume.

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Whilst I remember, any shipmates in visiting distance of Chester might like to drop in to the SPCK, which has two rooms stacked floor to ceiling with secondhand books, all at half price,

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Originally posted by Athanasius+:
Manipled mutineer wrote:

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Whilst I remember, any shipmates in visiting distance of Chester might like to drop in to the SPCK, which has two rooms stacked floor to ceiling with secondhand books, all at half price,

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Well, that's my spare cash gone this coming weekend then ...
Thanks for the tip!

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Originally posted by leo:
Yes. Bristol SPCK sold off all its secondhand books - I got many bargains for £1 each.

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I think Cardiff may be doing the same. But no-one is to go there except me.
 

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Posted by ken (# 2460) on :
 
Loads of second-hand and remaindered books in Westminster SPCK today. Not all exactly cheap either.

Had I seen a Parson's Handbook I would have remembered you all and bought it Well, if I could have afforded it that is.
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 

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Originally posted by ken:
Loads of second-hand and remaindered books in Westminster SPCK today. Not all exactly cheap either.

Had I seen a Parson's Handbook I would have remembered you all and bought it Well, if I could have afforded it that is.

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:

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Originally posted by leo:
Yes. Bristol SPCK sold off all its secondhand books - I got many bargains for £1 each.

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I think Cardiff may be doing the same. But no-one is to go there except me.

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Originally posted by Rev per Minute:

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:

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Originally posted by leo:
Yes. Bristol SPCK sold off all its secondhand books - I got many bargains for £1 each.

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I think Cardiff may be doing the same. But no-one is to go there except me.

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I think I can beat him to it if I leave now, having youth on my side.
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
I did.

Incidentally, has anyone heard of "The Little Missal for the Laity - Compiled from authorised sources by a committee of laymen, the translation of the canon being that of Bishop Miles Coverdale", a Faith Press production? I recently acquired a copy but have never heard of it before.
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
Due to a very welcome hint by another member of this forum, I have recently obtained a copy of An Abridged Anglican Missal published by the Society of SS Peter and Paul in the early 1930s.

I already have a couple of editions of The Shorter Anglican Missal from the same period. In all three books the secret prayer before communion is not given in the propers of the masses.

I also have a copy of This Our Sacrifice,which contains pictures of a low Mass using the Anglican Missal. In this book, the celebrant is depicted using the BCP Prayer for the Church Militant rather than the Roman secret before the canon.

Was this standard practice with the Anglican Missal, and why the secrets were not printed, at any rate in the pew editions? I haven't yet seen an altar edition.

Interestingly, in the APA reprint of The People's Anglican Missal in the American Edition which I also have, all the secrets are definitely given, as was the case with The English Missal.

Can anyone expand on this?

DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
Sadly I can't, but if you can travel to Chester, they do (or did) have an altar-size Anglican Missal for perusal...
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
Anyone have any hints for scoring a copy of the 1662 or deposited 1928 BCP with the full Lessons from the The Revised Tables of Lessons of 1922 appended?
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
A reasonably-priced 9th edition of Ritual Notes available here.
 

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Posted by aumbry (# 436) on :
 
A Baskerville Book of Common Prayer (preferably in the original eighteenth century binding) is an essential to any Anglican clergyman's library (high or low).

Aumbry
 

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Posted by Divine Office (# 10558) on :
 
I've just managed to secure a copy of the 1963 edition of Lamburn's Anglican Services for a handsome price!!!

Also hoping to receive a copy of the final edition of Peter Anson's Call of the Cloister.

DIVINE OFFICE
 

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Posted by humane catholic (# 9440) on :
 
DO - A very worthy purchase. Especially if you didn't pay terribly much. . . . Were it not for the fact that my entire library is now in boxes I would recommend some of the more entertaining pages.

A VERY great shame if SPCK should stop all its second-hand trade. I've had some fun at the Tufton st shop over the years (including, incidentally, a copy of Anglican Services at premium rates). Alas Chester, even once I relocate from the Antipodes to Oxford in a couple of weeks, is perhaps a little far to travel just for random bibliophilic purposes.

Then again . . .

(But then again again, now that it's on this thread there's ___-all chance of anything interesting being left in two weeks' time.

Ah well . . .

HC.
 

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Posted by humane catholic (# 9440) on :
 
Btw, MM - I'm not sure I'd describe anything by Lowther Clarke as essential reading for the Anglo-Catholic clergy-person. Clarke was many thing, but he weren't no A-C.

HC.
[with apologies for the double post]
 

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Originally posted by humane catholic:
Btw, MM - I'm not sure I'd describe anything by Lowther Clarke as essential reading for the Anglo-Catholic clergy-person. Clarke was many thing, but he weren't no A-C.

HC.
[with apologies for the double post]

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Latin and English Roman Breviary Advent-Lent, anyone?

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DEFINITELY the sort of thing any self-respecting etc . . . My own (full set of all three volumes) has archi-episcopal signatures, acquired for a song at a very superior second-hand book sale in Adelaide some years ago (where I also purchased Colin Stevenson's "Merrily on high" for $AUD1

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Originally posted by Lamburnite:
A.N. Wilson's Unguarded Hours is wonderful, if very difficult to obtain. I'm waiting to borrow a copy of his Kindly Light -- we'll see if that deserves to be on the list.

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Unguarded Hours, as noted elsewhere, made me want to go to Staggers. Kindly Light, IMO, wasn't as good.

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Originally posted by Alogon:
Thought of another:

The Haggerston Catechism, by H.A. Wilson.

This work was published in several small paperback volumes. It describes the successful curriculum and teaching methods that a great vicar of S. Augustine's, Haggerston used for his children's confirmation classes. This is/was an inner-city Anglo-Catholic parish in London.

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Originally posted by Lamburnite:
A.N. Wilson's Unguarded Hours is wonderful, if very difficult to obtain. I'm waiting to borrow a copy of his Kindly Light -- we'll see if that deserves to be on the list.

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Unguarded Hours, as noted elsewhere, made me want to go to Staggers.

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Originally posted by Lamburnite:
A.N. Wilson's Unguarded Hours is wonderful, if very difficult to obtain. I'm waiting to borrow a copy of his Kindly Light -- we'll see if that deserves to be on the list.

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Unguarded Hours, as noted elsewhere, made me want to go to Staggers.

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Which, my dear, is exactly why I suggested you shouldn't. It made me very glad that things have changed!

I found it one of the most depressing books I've ever read - not least because a friend of mine whose father went to interview at Staggers in the 70s said it really wasn't all that different.

Thurible

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Staggers has not changed as much as some people think - I gather they still assign women's names to new students - I find this practice offensive and demeaning to women.

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I say this with a reasonable amount of authority.

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Originally posted by Divine Office:
My copy of Lamburn's Anglican Services published by Knott and Sons arrived today. It is the 1963 edition and is in virtually mint condition.

It is a fascinating read; it is not unlike Ritual Notes, but is focused more directly on obeying the letter of the BCP. Unlike The Parson's Handbook, however, it is orientated towards Western usage as it was at the time of publication.

I wonder if PD is familiar with this work? I suspect he would find it a valuable resource.

DIVINE OFFICE

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Originally posted by Thurible:
Shorter Christian Prayer? Is that a mini-Breviary (as in the contemporary Catholic Divine Office)?

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Originally posted by Thurible:
If you're not a daily Eucharist-attender, +Andrew's book has the eucharistic lectionary in which you can use for the office.

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Must be in the non-Pocket edition...

 

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Posted by St. Punk the Pious (# 683) on :
 

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Originally posted by Thurible:
I have one of those too...

Perhaps I should get into this book-selling business.

Thurible

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Originally posted by St. Punk the Pious:
Forgive me if this has been addressed already. But I want to buy a Sarum Missal in English. And to my surprise, Amazon of all places has a 2004 translation from Pearson. Does anyone know if it's good? Or are there better translations readily available?

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I was resurrecting this thread to share my glee at receiving a copy of the Baronius Press' 1962 Daily Roman Missal - Summorum Pontificum edition - for Christmas but since I see this question is still outstanding, I'll do my best to sketch an answer - hopefully S. Bertelin or someone who actually owns a copy will chime-in and correct me if I go wrong.

As I understand it, the first generally available publication of the Sarum Missal was that produced by forbes/Dickinson in 1861, the Missale ad Usum Insignis Ecclesie Sarum generally known as the Burntisland Missal (after its place of publication?) This was entirely in Latin, and was translated into English by A. Harford Pearson in 1868, under the title of The Sarum Missal in English. It is this version, in a reprinted edition, which is available via Amazon. There's a review of it here.

It was then followed in 1911 by a revised translation by F.E. Warren, which I think drew heavily on Pearson, and was published in two volumes by the De la More Press for the Library of Liturgiology and Ecclesiology for English Readers also under the title The Sarum Missal in English. From this you might infer that the latter is slightly better, but the only comparison I've read suggests that the differences are of little significance.

At around the same time as the Warren translation, an abbreviated version of the Missal "done into English and Abridged" was released, under the title The Sarum Missal: Missale Ad Usum Insignis Et Praeclarae Ecclesiae Sarum. It was published anonymously but something makes me associate it with Herbert George Morse, author of the rather charming Sarum-influenced "Notes on Ceremonial according to the Antient English Office Books." It's basic but sufficient.

Of these, the first two are still available, the Pearson from Wipf & Stock/Kessinger Publications (as you've noticed) whilst the Warren is an expensive made-to-order reprint (£75+ per volume.) The abridged Missal was reprinted in the 1990s by Curzon and others but is now out of print. It is fairly readily available through the used book services although patience and/or luck will be required to get a copy for under £30.
 

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Posted by St. Punk the Pious (# 683) on :
 
Thank you, MM.

From the review you linked, the Pearson reprint sounds like a must buy. So I must buy it!
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
I just got a second copy of the American edition of THIS OUR SACRIFICE by Frs. Horsfield and Riley, which offers an illustrated guide to the celebration of an Anglican Missal Mass largely according to the rubrics set forth in RITUAL NOTES. My first copy, sold to me by a gentleman well known and highly regarded in these parts, seems to have been permanently borrowed by a local priest. I cannot recommend it highly enough; I also recommend buying it quickly if it appears for sale, as it is scarce and highly sought after.
 

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Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :
 
Not precisely a devotional work but one which will doubtless include much useful 'food for thought' - the Autobiography of the Bl. Conrad Noel, picked up for £2.50 in SPCK this morning.

Has a colour plate of a very satisfactory-looking procession around Thaxted church at the beginning, which is a good start
 

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on :
 
I read the first couple of chapters when waiting for someone at the library once: it's rather jolly.

Thurible
 

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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
Not precisely a devotional work but one which will doubtless include much useful 'food for thought' - the Autobiography of the Bl. Conrad Noel, picked up for £2.50 in SPCK this morning.

Has a colour plate of a very satisfactory-looking procession around Thaxted church at the beginning, which is a good start

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Originally posted by St. Punk the Pious:
Thank you, MM.

From the review you linked, the Pearson reprint sounds like a must buy. So I must buy it!

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Originally posted by Angloid:
It is a good read. A related work which I haven't been able to find for years is 'Conrad Noel and the Thaxted Movement' by Reg Groves: it looked as if it was produced in someone's back room on a very early word processor, but is fascinating. I borrowed a copy from my local library in Merseyside many years ago, but when I checked a few years later it had disappeared from the shelves (and the catalogue.

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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
Not precisely a devotional work but one which will doubtless include much useful 'food for thought' - the Autobiography of the Bl. Conrad Noel, picked up for £2.50 in SPCK this morning.

Has a colour plate of a very satisfactory-looking procession around Thaxted church at the beginning, which is a good start

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Someone buy this before the urge for me to do so becomes uncontrollable... (It's the Marquess of Bute's four volume English translation of the Roman Breviary, in case anyone is wondering.)

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Someone buy this before the urge for me to do so becomes uncontrollable... (It's the Marquess of Bute's four volume English translation of the Roman Breviary, in case anyone is wondering.)

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I think someone set up a Lulu reprint for this as well.

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You'd have to be a glutton for punishment to use that for your office on a regular basis. It is a translation of the early seventeenth century revision of the Tridentine Breviary which makes it much longer than the Anglican Breviary whih is based on the Pio X Breviary of 1913.

PD

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Originally posted by St. Punk the Pious:
Forgive me if this has been addressed already. But I want to buy a Sarum Missal in English. And to my surprise, Amazon of all places has a 2004 translation from Pearson. Does anyone know if it's good? Or are there better translations readily available?

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At around the same time as the Warren translation, an abbreviated version of the Missal "done into English and Abridged" was released, under the title The Sarum Missal: Missale Ad Usum Insignis Et Praeclarae Ecclesiae Sarum. It was published anonymously but something makes me associate it with Herbert George Morse, author of the rather charming Sarum-influenced "Notes on Ceremonial according to the Antient English Office Books." It's basic but sufficient.

...The abridged Missal was reprinted in the 1990s by Curzon and others but is now out of print. It is fairly readily available through the used book services although patience and/or luck will be required to get a copy for under £30.

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Or you could just check out my signature, of course....

 

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Posted by malik3000 (# 11437) on :
 
I have been searching online for a copy of the current South African Prayer Book to no avail. It is possible to do a transaction via snail mail order to and from the South African publisher, but I would have thought that as the main liturgical book of a reasonably sized Anglican church body it would not be so difficult to locate on line. Any help, suggestions, shipmates?

I was also trying to get the Australian Prayer Book but I think I've spotted one one Amazon.co.uk.
 

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Posted by Liturgy Queen (# 11596) on :
 
Is anyone else falling in love with the Anglican Gradual and Sacramentary like I am?
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 

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Originally posted by malik3000:
I have been searching online for a copy of the current South African Prayer Book to no avail. It is possible to do a transaction via snail mail order to and from the South African publisher, but I would have thought that as the main liturgical book of a reasonably sized Anglican church body it would not be so difficult to locate on line. Any help, suggestions, shipmates?

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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
Is anyone else falling in love with the Anglican Gradual and Sacramentary like I am?

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Originally posted by malik3000:
I have been searching online for a copy of the current South African Prayer Book to no avail. It is possible to do a transaction via snail mail order to and from the South African publisher, but I would have thought that as the main liturgical book of a reasonably sized Anglican church body it would not be so difficult to locate on line. Any help, suggestions, shipmates?

I was also trying to get the Australian Prayer Book but I think I've spotted one one Amazon.co.uk.

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I like Mr. Burt's gradual better: http://tinyurl.com/3x76b2

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Originally posted by lukacs:
I like Mr. Burt's gradual better: http://tinyurl.com/3x76b2

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Originally posted by malik3000:
I have been searching online for a copy of the current South African Prayer Book to no avail. It is possible to do a transaction via snail mail order to and from the South African publisher, but I would have thought that as the main liturgical book of a reasonably sized Anglican church body it would not be so difficult to locate on line. Any help, suggestions, shipmates?

I was also trying to get the Australian Prayer Book but I think I've spotted one one Amazon.co.uk.

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I possess a copy of the South African Prayer Book which I bought on my travels to that Country some years ago. It is dated 1989, but I do not know whether or not it is still the current edition. I also possess a traditional SAPB.

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Originally posted by malik3000:
I have been searching online for a copy of the current South African Prayer Book to no avail. It is possible to do a transaction via snail mail order to and from the South African publisher, but I would have thought that as the main liturgical book of a reasonably sized Anglican church body it would not be so difficult to locate on line. Any help, suggestions, shipmates?

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Is this it (top of page)? If so, a brief peruse doesn't seem to turn up any copies for me, either.

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Originally posted by St. Punk the Pious:
Thank you, MM.

From the review you linked, the Pearson reprint sounds like a must buy. So I must buy it!

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On a related note, please all cross your fingers that my copy of the 2-volume Warren Sarum Missal arrives safely...

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Has anyone mentioned The Holy Bible yet?!

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Originally posted by Wottinger:
Has anyone mentioned the wonderful book by Rose Macaulay
'Towers of Trebizond' (- and for a copy see below(!)

I think it's a must as a novel for any 'self respecting AC priest', comic but profound too.

Ernest raymond's 'The Chalice and the Sword' is good too - but a bit dated and not comic - but some good character sketches of an A/C parish in the 30s. Does anyone read Ernest Raymond nowadays... I hope they do.

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Maybe somebody higher up the thread mentioned them, but Barbara Pym's novels give a fascinating glimpse of a typical urban anglo-catholic parish in the 1950s, complete with clergy-mad spinsters and closeted gay clerics.

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Is it this one Martin?

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Is it this one Martin?

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I remember we discussed it on a thread here once, questioning whether it was RC or Anglican as the only difference was the position of the Confession. There were even mysterious vanishing reliquaries on the gradine of the altar that would appear and disappear as the liturgy progressed.

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Must have been Anglican then. That was the protestant Archdeacon removing said superstitious objects when no-one was looking.
 

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Must have been Anglican then. That was the protestant Archdeacon removing said superstitious objects when no-one was looking.

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Rather! [he said drily]

Here's an example of the Catholic version. The artwork was quite similar to this, but it seemed to be written for adults and not for children.
 

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Is it this one Martin?

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No, although thanks anyway for that one.

The one I'm recalling had drawn pictures, not real ones. It looked like the old St. Joseph's Catholic Missals, if you've ever seen one of those.

I remember we discussed it on a thread here once, questioning whether it was RC or Anglican as the only difference was the position of the Confession. There were even mysterious vanishing reliquaries on the gradine of the altar that would appear and disappear as the liturgy progressed.

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Aha! Was it this one?

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Soooo close, but no. This is almost exactly the same thing, only it doesn't have the full mass and I see no vanishing reliquaries. Perhaps Angloid's Protestant Archdeacon has been at work on the website?
 

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Aha! Was it this one?

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Soooo close, but no. This is almost exactly the same thing, only it doesn't have the full mass and I see no vanishing reliquaries. Perhaps Angloid's Protestant Archdeacon has been at work on the website?

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Picky, picky, picky!

How's about this then?

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That's it! 100% for Manipled, plus 5% extra credit for the Absolutions of the Dead at the end of the page. Thanks for looking!


 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 

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Picky, picky, picky!

How's about this then?

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That's it! 100% for Manipled, plus 5% extra credit for the Absolutions of the Dead at the end of the page. Thanks for looking!

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Originally posted by Martin L:

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Picky, picky, picky!

How's about this then?

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That's it! 100% for Manipled, plus 5% extra credit for the Absolutions of the Dead at the end of the page. Thanks for looking!

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Originally posted by Angloid:
Not only vanishing reliquaries, but by picture 20 Father has lost his toupée. I suspect the gossiping curates behind him know its whereabouts.

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Maybe he takes it off like a zuchetto at the Great Thanksgiving.
 

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Posted by Ceremoniar (# 13596) on :
 
In picture 10, Father's chasuble has miraculously changed from fiddleback to Gothic.
 

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Posted by Ceremoniar (# 13596) on :
 
Actually, it is picture 11.
 

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Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :
 
Well, I just picked up a copy of Clement VII for 75p.

It looks like fun!
 

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Posted by LQ (# 11596) on :
 
Does anyone have any experience of ordering from the Anglican Parishes Association? I ordered a book a month ago, and still no sign of it. I sent an email asking if I should be concerned a week and a half ago and received no reply.
 

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Posted by Brian M (# 11865) on :
 

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Originally posted by LQ:
Does anyone have any experience of ordering from the Anglican Parishes Association? I ordered a book a month ago, and still no sign of it. I sent an email asking if I should be concerned a week and a half ago and received no reply.

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Originally posted by LQ:
The Lesser Hours of Prayer: which includes Prime, Terce, Sext, and None, as well as Compline (which I find odd - why not just use the BCP?) and a Midnight Hour.

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Originally posted by TheMightyMartyr:
I managed to pick up a copy of S. Swithun's Prayer Book for $3 canadian at a random used bookstore, have I found a treasure?? It is quite the devotional manual, thats for sure!

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Originally posted by TheMightyMartyr:
I managed to pick up a copy of S. Swithun's Prayer Book for $3 canadian at a random used bookstore, have I found a treasure?? It is quite the devotional manual, thats for sure!

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It eventually became A Manual of Catholic Devotion so yes it's rather a treasure.

Thurible

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
I resurrect this thread to mention for the benefit of US shipmates that there is a reasonably-priced copy of the Anglican Service Book available currently on eBay, ending in 3 days.

(Did I also mention that I recently picked up a sound copy of E.A.L. Clark's Free Catholic "The People's Missal" for £3?)

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Originally posted by aumbry:
[ Can't say I was so keen on Rose Macauley's Towers of Trebizond (I thought it was a bit flat)

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Originally posted by Patrick the less saintly:

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Originally posted by aumbry:
Can't say I was so keen on Rose Macauley's Towers of Trebizond (I thought it was a bit flat)

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Maybe so, but I'm with aumbry here. I was glad when I'd finished it. The opening chapter or three promised much more than was delivered.
 

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Posted by Patrick the less saintly (# 14355) on :
 
Well, it fails to live up to its potential as light satire because it becomes a quite serious story about belief, unbelief, sin and grace. One could say the same thing about Brideshead Revisited.
 

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Posted by cg (# 14332) on :
 
Bumping this thread to ask if anyone would be interested in a copy of The Sacristan's Manual by the Revd Denis G Murphy, Burns & Oates, 1st ed. 1950. It is slightly warped and a few pages including the front end papers are lightly foxed, but it has 24 pages of most delectable advertisements for sundry church furnishings, vestments etc. on shiny paper. I picked it up locally for A$6 and would be happy to sell it on for the same price plus p&p. The chart of private votive, requiem and nuptial masses is intact in the back pocket.
 

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Posted by Alogon (# 5513) on :
 
My apologies if it has already been mentioned:

The Kirkbride Conversations by Harry Blamires. The format of a novel serves as framework for discussions of the tenets of the Christian faith from a decidedly Anglo-Catholic perspective-- dialogues between Father Kirkbride and a young agnostic who is eventually converted.

[ 23. January 2009, 17:05: Message edited by: Alogon ]
 

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Posted by magnum mysterium (# 3418) on :
 
Anyone mentioned Father Malachy's Miracle by Bruce Marshall yet? I discovered it just after Christmas - it's a scream.
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
That is a good read.
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
Unfortunately I have given up eBay for Lent, so someone else must hoover up this chap's listings, including the Manual of Catholic Devotion, 8th edition Ritual Notes, and many another goodie besides!
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 
I resurrect this thread to mention that there is currently a copy of G.A.C. Whatton's "Priest's Companion" on sale on eBay - Buy it Now for £20: all profits to Oxfam.
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
Wow - I think I should sell my copy - could do with some extra cash.
 

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Posted by Manipled Mutineer (# 11514) on :
 

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Originally posted by leo:
Wow - I think I should sell my copy - could do with some extra cash.

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Someone should consider snapping-up this very reasonable copy of Vernon Staley's famous Prayerbook Catholic summary of "The Catholic Religion"

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Originally posted by cg:
This man is gradually selling off his complete liturgical collection - it's huge (I've seen it but not inspected in detail).

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