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Posted by Anna B (# 1439) on :
 
For years I put it off. Years! Finally it has happened---I have watched the original Star Trek.

I have watched the episode of the Companion and pondered the nature of love.

I have watched the episode with the Greek gods.

I have even watched the episode in which Kirk and Spock are chased by a large housecat named Sylvia.

And now I am feeling sort of odd. Sort of---empty.

What happens now?

[ 02. March 2011, 20:20: Message edited by: Belisarius ]
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
You have years of DVDs to watch. Live long and prosper!

[ 09. February 2010, 01:11: Message edited by: Lyda*Rose ]
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
There are lots of novels out there. The latest ones are generally much better as the authors don't have to contend with movies or TV shows disrupting their story arcs. And Pocket Books likes serials.

Some of the books are actually not-pulp cr*p.
 
Posted by Anna B (# 1439) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Live long and prosper!
See, that phrase scares the shit out of me. I associate it with entire convention centers full of adults in costume.
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
Yes, you will become One with the Geek Colllective™.

If you want to see the movies, I recommend Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and Star Trek V1: The Undiscovered Country.
 
Posted by LA Dave (# 1397) on :
 
"Two" is probably the best, but I always have liked Star Trek IV, the one with the whales. Having taken a stolen Klingon battlecruiser equipped with a cloaking device and landed it in Golden Gate Park, Kirk utters the best line of the film: "Now, everyone, remember where we're parked."

Star Trek films are the opposite of Beethoven Symphonies -- the even numbered ones are the best.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Yes, you will become One with the Geek Colllective™.

If you want to see the movies, I recommend Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and Star Trek V1: The Undiscovered Country.
But for God's sake, if you value your sanity, DO NOT WATCH Star Trek V: The Final Frontier! [Eek!] [Help]
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
Even worse, "Star Trek the Motion Picture"...otherwise known as "Where Nomad has Gone Before". [Disappointed]
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Anna B:
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Live long and prosper!
See, that phrase scares the shit out of me. I associate it with entire convention centers full of adults in costume.
Something like this?
Now that you've crossed the first hurdle, you get to move on to the various incarnations, such as "Star Trek: The Next Generation," which includes one of my favorite TV episodes of all time, "Darmok." Seriously, you must get the DVD with this episode. It's a deeply moving story of nobility, leadership, and sacrifice.

And I agree about the Star Trek IV film. You'd like it. It's probably the least Star Trekkish of the film series, and the tale of the whales is very satisfying.
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
Yes, the even films are best. II is even acknowledged to be good science fiction aside from Trek. VI is a good romp, though not to my taste.

III is passable

I (The Motion Picture) and V are cr*p. V flopped at the box office.

The Next Generation's Star Trek: First Contact (VIII) is third best. Good all-round, but a bit fannish. Last good Star Trek movie IMO. The next two TNG films were not great and showed that the series was getting long in the tooth.

TNG's "The Drumhead" and "Measure of a Man" are both excellent, intelligent and enrapturing. Coincidentally both were "bottle episodes", cheaper episodes without expensive alien ships or planet scenes using existing ship sets.
 
Posted by Janine (# 3337) on :
 
So those relied on, like, the story. [Smile]

I will, given opportunity, watch anything Star Trek, anything at all. At least the once. Just 'cause it's Star Trek. And I'll pick up any Star Trek novel, and will finish it, given the chance. Of course it's only the best I'll buy and keep and re-read or re-run.

But for numbers of episodes that had a lot to offer, and frequently made a decent story just as sci-fi, I liked DS9 best.

Doesn't hurt that I'm fond of Michael Dorn, Rene Auberjonois and Avery Brooks. [Biased]

[ 09. February 2010, 04:08: Message edited by: Janine ]
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
Even worse, "Star Trek the Motion Picture"...otherwise known as "Where Nomad has Gone Before". [Disappointed]
[brick wall] NOOOOOooooooo!!!

"Row, Row, Row Your Boat" took Star Trek V right through the wormhole of dreck to a realm where Humans Are Not Meant to Go.

Mommy? [Waterworks]

ETA: And it doesn't hurt that Benjamin Sisko's family has a restaurant in New Orleans, does it? Actually, as a whole, I liked Deep Space Nine best, too.

[ 09. February 2010, 04:11: Message edited by: Lyda*Rose ]
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
Welcome to the Trekkie-verse! [Smile]

I disagree re the movies. At some point, start with the first one, and eventually watch all of them. The first one picks up some story threads of the original series, and threads from the movie are picked up in the later movies.

However, you might want to pace yourself a bit! Once you've eventually watched the original series, take a break, then watch the movies one at a time.

Live long and prosper! K'plach!
 
Posted by Gill H (# 68) on :
 
And when you've watched them all, you can watch Galaxy Quest and laugh yourself silly.

I agree IV is the most fun of the movies. I'll be visiting Seaworld this December, and I just know I will be dying to tell someone 'They are not the hell your whales'...
 
Posted by amber. (# 11142) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Anna B:
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Live long and prosper!
See, that phrase scares the shit out of me. I associate it with entire convention centers full of adults in costume.
And what's wrong with that, pray tell [Paranoid] [Big Grin] Wonderful things, conventions...
 
Posted by cattyish (# 7829) on :
 
I'm adding a Star Trek convention to my bucket list. I'm also finally adding Deep Space Nine to my nursing home list after I watched the first episode while ironing t'other night. If I'm ever forced to sit still it's among the DVDs I must have playing for at least four hours a day.

Cattyish, planning ahead.
 
Posted by ElaineC (# 12244) on :
 
I confess I'm a Trekkie. I have the complete DVD set of Deep Space Nine.

Last Sunday on Virgin 1 they showed the very last episode followed immediately by the the first episode. It was interesting to see how the characters had changed over the whole series.
 
Posted by amber. (# 11142) on :
 
DS9 was certainly an inspired series. Votes also for Star Trek II and IV as being the best of the movies, though the most recent one was fun.
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
What you really need, if you intend to become a Trekkie, is a copy of this book so you can impress all your friends and relations with your knowledge of Star Trek bloopers. Or you could watch each episode twenty times frame by frame and spot all of them yourself... [Biased]

Jane R
 
Posted by Unjust Stuart (# 13953) on :
 
Try "Blake's 7" for a mirror-image of the Federation of Planets as villains (not a Mirror, Mirror image).

Or "Babylon 5", which is similar to Star Trek but Not The Same.
 
Posted by Sparrow (# 2458) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineC:
I confess I'm a Trekkie. I have the complete DVD set of Deep Space Nine.

Last Sunday on Virgin 1 they showed the very last episode followed immediately by the the first episode. It was interesting to see how the characters had changed over the whole series.
I'm devoted to Virgin 1's afternoon Star Trek programme - weekday afternoons from 2-5 pm daily, TNG followed by Voyager followed by DS9!
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
It's an odd series. I watched all the original episodes and still have the books somewhere, and a model of the Enterprise built from an Airfix kit (which wouldn't stand up), and a bunch of indelible memories of tribbles, and pon farr, the Vulcan salute and the Spock pinch, and so on.

It was a long time before I started watching the later series. DS9 is better than Voyager - more interesting, quirky, likeable characters, although it is a bit soap-opera-ish. The films are mostly watchable - I don't remember one that wasn't.

Dip in and enjoy and welcome to the Trekiverse.
 
Posted by amber. (# 11142) on :
 
Bab 5 was a fantastic series. Shame they stopped it.
 
Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
I'm rubbish at Star Trek. I like all the wrong stuff. But I'm with those who say watch everything. There'll be something you like.

Among the movies, I've not seen anyone mention "Generations" yet. I loved it. The Star Trek world hated "Nemesis". I loved it. Fandom seems generally to deem the "Voyager" series a mess. Guess what? I want to be Capt. Janeway when I grow up.

I like TNG, a lot. For a start, Patrick Stewart is a brilliant actor. (Has he been knighted yet? If not, why not?) The scripts are often intelligent and thoughtful, which isn't to say the original series scripts weren't, it's just that they were ... well, another generation.

I've never watched DS9, mostly because whenever I give it a go, I pick an episode that's part-way through a complex story arc and I just get lost.

But to return to Voyager - how do I love thee? Let me count the ways ... 70,000 light-years from home, hologram doctor, handsome first officer in touch with the spirit world, eyebrow-twitching Vulcan, captain who's the reincarnation of Katherine Hepburn (looks and voice - check it out, she's eerie), tame Borg, the Borg Queen, the Year of Hell, Counterpoint, the Haunting of Deck whatever-it-was, macroviruses, time paradoxes that go on and on till your brain twitches, a war that exists only in people's dreams, Amelia Earheart, and of course Endgame.

Wow. Watch some Voyager.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
ST the original series was good, because it was the first. Of the spin-offs, I liked TNG, but couldn't stand DS9 or Voyager.

Of the movies, indeed the even ones are best, but you need to watch them in order since some of them carry a story line previously developed in another movie.
 
Posted by New Yorker (# 9898) on :
 
I'm ever thankful that I got to experience the "Star Trek Experience" in Las Vegas before they closed it down. Too bad, too, since I wanted to experience the "Experience" again!
 
Posted by Trudy Scrumptious (# 5647) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
I'm rubbish at Star Trek. I like all the wrong stuff. But I'm with those who say watch everything. There'll be something you like.

Among the movies, I've not seen anyone mention "Generations" yet. I loved it. The Star Trek world hated "Nemesis". I loved it.


I'm much the same. Well, I do agree with the general hate for ST:V ... terribly boring. But I like almost all the other movies, including some of the TNG movies -- "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" particularly -- that get dissed by fans and critics.


quote:
Fandom seems generally to deem the "Voyager" series a mess. Guess what? I want to be Capt. Janeway when I grow up.


I'm also on board with this. I loved "Voyager." After watching "Battlestar Galactica" I do sort of agree with Ron Moore's criticism of Voyager -- it was just too clean and fresh and easy for a crew of people who were supposed to be stranded on the other side of the Galaxy, far from home and resources. There were many times Voyager took the easy way out and the "Gilligan's Island in Space" aspect did get frustrating at times -- anytime it seemed they'd found a wormhole or some other shortcut back to the Alpha Quadrant, you knew it was turn out to fail or be a hoax. But for all that I still loved the characters and the stories. I think Kathryn Janeway was possibly the most kick-ass Star Trek captain of them all, and I loved almost all her crew.

quote:
For a start, Patrick Stewart is a brilliant actor. (Has he been knighted yet? If not, why not?)


Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he just became Sir Patrick at the beginning of this year.


quote:
The scripts are often intelligent and thoughtful, which isn't to say the original series scripts weren't, it's just that they were ... well, another generation.


The original series had its moments, but I find that, like old Doctor Who, it's most enjoyable for mockery purposes. Just the clunky special effects and stilted acting are funny enough in and of themselves, but then you have stellar examples of kitsch like "Spock's Brain" ...
 
Posted by Sparrow (# 2458) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:

But to return to Voyager - how do I love thee? Let me count the ways ... 70,000 light-years from home, hologram doctor, handsome first officer in touch with the spirit world, eyebrow-twitching Vulcan, captain who's the reincarnation of Katherine Hepburn (looks and voice - check it out, she's eerie), tame Borg, the Borg Queen, the Year of Hell, Counterpoint, the Haunting of Deck whatever-it-was, macroviruses, time paradoxes that go on and on till your brain twitches, a war that exists only in people's dreams, Amelia Earheart, and of course Endgame.

Wow. Watch some Voyager.
On the downside - it had Neelix.

[Frown]
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sparrow:
On the downside - it had Neelix.

[Frown]
Yes, that was one of the reasons why I stopped watching it.
 
Posted by Sparrow (# 2458) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
quote:
Originally posted by Sparrow:
On the downside - it had Neelix.

[Frown]
Yes, that was one of the reasons why I stopped watching it.
We called him A*!*licks in our household, due to the way he was cosying up to the captain for her favour in the first few seasons.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
He was sort of like the Ferengi without the balls.
 
Posted by Joyeux (# 3851) on :
 
Grew up watching TOS on re-runs, and love it! Adore Patrick Stewart in TNG (agree about the episode Darmok!). I never had much liking for DS9, although I liked the Sisko. Love Janeway on Voyager, but have little to no use for Chakotay (he always seems too likely just to stand somewhere, and didn't inflect the lines that could have been dry or sarcastic or understated or something. They just fell flat.).

Definitely watch Galaxy Quest after having watched a sampling of the Star Trek universe.
 
Posted by basso (# 4228) on :
 
Mamacita, I agree about "Darmok". When I saw that episode, I just stared at the screen for a few minutes, then said "YES! They finally got it right!"

I think I was so excited at what I'd seen that I hardly slept that night.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
A friend just e-mailed me a picture of the Cupola for the International Space Station. Apparently some are calling it Ten-Forward. [Big Grin]

A lot of my secret crushes were on the various ST shows. Worf, Picard, Spock...hubba-hubba!
 
Posted by Yerevan (# 10383) on :
 
quote:
A lot of my secret crushes were on the various ST shows. Worf, Picard, Spock...hubba-hubba!
Ah Star Trek crushes! My mother liked both Kirk and Spock. I likely pre-beard Riker very slightly in my teens*. My uncle liked Major Kira in DS9 (she of the figure-hugging jump suit).

*who is Catholic IRL (random fact of the week)
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Yerevan:
Ah Star Trek crushes!
Julian Bashir. (I wonder if anyone will admit to Quark or Neelix?)
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
10 points if you can figure out how "Trouble with Tribbles" incorporated a reference to Peterborough, Ontario, Canada. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:

A lot of my secret crushes were on the various ST shows. Worf, Picard, Spock...hubba-hubba!
Fuckin' A!

Sir Patrick is a particularly enduring one [Yipee] mmmm...

Oh, sorry, where was I?

TNG is my specialist Star Trek subject, and although I haven't watched Trek of any breed in anger for ages, I still feel like I'm coming home when I see TNG, Voyager, DS9, or Classic Trek.

Best film? First Contact, without a shadow of a doubt, for me. I went to see if in the cinema for the first time when almost everyone there was a Trekker, and many were in uniform, etc. There were pitched phaser battles in the aisles during the adverts and trailers, and the cinema laughed uproriously at the in-jokes "I'm a doctor, not a doorstop..." [Killing me]

Darmok is an episode I remember, but didn't count as an all time favourite - it was good though. Favourite TNG episodes would include the already mentioned "Measure of a Man", along with "All Good Things...", where I cry, every time, "Skin of Evil", where I cry, every time, "All Our Yesterdays", many of the Klingon episodes... oh, lots, really.
The only downer in TNG was the irritating Nestle Crunchbar [Wesley Crusher], who was a pain in the arse.

I might stop now, before I get carried away!

I reckon I could be an officer on a Starfleet ship. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
10 points if you can figure out how "Trouble with Tribbles" incorporated a reference to Peterborough, Ontario, Canada. [Big Grin]
Would that be where quadrotriticale was grown? [Biased]

[Bred? produced? raised?]

[ 09. February 2010, 23:56: Message edited by: jedijudy ]
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
Actually Mr. Spock goes on to say that that "magic wheat" was a cross of Red Fife and Hard Red Calcutta, which is Marquis Wheat. Red Fife originates here on the farm of David Fife.

A write robbed an encyclopedia for his script.
 
Posted by LA Dave (# 1397) on :
 
Ah, Darmok. I used to know the co-writer of that episode, Phillip Lezebnik. A brilliant script, one of the best, IMHO, to come out of American television in the last 20 years.

A friend of mine, Kurt Webster, who is the pastor of the Encino Presbyterian Church, put on a Sunday evening series of talks last year about the theology of Star Trek. The one that my wife and I were able to attend featured the fascinating and extremely intelligent Armin Shimerman, who played Quark. While I never enjoyed DS9 as much as TNG, hearing Armin discuss his character and the theology of the Ferengi was great fun.
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
DS9 did wonderful things with the Ferengi. TNG never found a good use for them.
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
I watched the first television series. After that I tuned out. My sister used to feed my baby niece in front of the TV so the baby could watch the reruns. Every time she opened her mouth in amazement my sister snuck another spoonful of peas in.

She never noticed.

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Anna B:

And now I am feeling sort of odd. Sort of---empty.
But was it okay for you, dear?
 
Posted by Lord Jestocost (# 12909) on :
 
Absolutely no one mentions the animated series, which for many years was the only follow-on from the original. Same setting and characters as the original, but while the animation was basic the fact that it was just drawing let it expand to something really science fictional: planetscapes that really were planetary, non-humanoid aliens on the crew etc.

Plus it had a very funny tribbles sequel.

Also The New Voyages are well worth a look. This is amateur fan storymaking, of the type that Galaxyquest lampooned, with fans acting out the parts of the original crew: but, they take it seriously enough and do it well enough to be on the Hugos shortlist from time to time.
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
Another nice bit of TNG is the occasional appearance of Whoopi Goldberg as the bartender/"listener" Guinan. According to Goldberg, she approached Gene Roddenberry about having a tiny part in the series as a way of expressing her gratitude for the character of Lt. Uhura in the original series. She says that, as a little girl, she was inspired by Uhura's character -- an officer on the ship, smart as well as beautiful -- who was at the time the only African-American actress on TV who literally wasn't playing someone's maid.
 
Posted by Eigon (# 4917) on :
 
The best episode of the Animated Series for me was the one by Dorothy Fontana. She said (at a convention I was at, many years ago) that she wanted to write a story about the death of a pet, and wrote an episode where Spock goes back in time and meets his seven year old self, at the time when his pet sehlat dies.

Meanwhile, up the thread, Unjust Stuart mentioned Blake's Seven. There was a wonderful episode of DS9 which was a direct take off of Blake's Seven. Sisko went to an alternate universe where the Cardassians were still in charge of the space station - he was Blake, O'Brien was Vila, and I seem to remember Major Kira doing a rather good version of Servalan! Great fun.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Eigon:
The best episode of the Animated Series for me was the one by Dorothy Fontana. She said (at a convention I was at, many years ago) that she wanted to write a story about the death of a pet, and wrote an episode where Spock goes back in time and meets his seven year old self, at the time when his pet sehlat dies.
I loved that one! I have the animated series on DVD, and haven't re-watched all of them, yet. But I did watch that one.

Larry Nivin's Kzinti also appeared in the ST animated series. Years after seeing the cartoon, I read one of the books, which was very close to the ST story. It took me a while to understand why I had cartoonish pictures in my head while reading the story!
 
Posted by Carys (# 78) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sparrow:
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineC:
I confess I'm a Trekkie. I have the complete DVD set of Deep Space Nine.

Last Sunday on Virgin 1 they showed the very last episode followed immediately by the the first episode. It was interesting to see how the characters had changed over the whole series.
I'm devoted to Virgin 1's afternoon Star Trek programme - weekday afternoons from 2-5 pm daily, TNG followed by Voyager followed by DS9!
Ditto when I'm off ill! The same voyager is shown at 7pm and at the weekend you get Voyager from 12 on a Sat and DS9 from 12 on a Sunday. Though they must have just got to the end of DS9 as the last one I saw was the first half of the final episode.

Carys
 
Posted by Sparrow (# 2458) on :
 
I'm working, but I record them to watch in the evening (and transfer them to DVD if I want to keep them).
 
Posted by Joyeux (# 3851) on :
 
Pre-beard Riker?! No way. Bearded or nothing for me, as he's too much a baby-face without it.

Anyway, ditto the good stuff about Guinan. How about Q?

I have started to wonder if the nameless holographic Doctor in Voyager was a (planned or not) tribute to Doctor Who. Anyone have any insight on this?
 
Posted by Sparrow (# 2458) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Joyeux:
Anyway, ditto the good stuff about Guinan. How about Q?

Q - absolutely not. He's even more a turn off for me than Neelix in Voyager. I won't watch episodes he is in. Gives me the creeps.
 
Posted by opaWim (# 11137) on :
 
StarTrek-crushes?

Jadzia Dax [Hot and Hormonal]
 
Posted by Vulpior (# 12744) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by opaWim:
StarTrek-crushes?

Jadzia Dax [Hot and Hormonal]
Tom Paris [Devil]
 
Posted by Carys (# 78) on :
 
What happens to Kes in Voyager? I keep missing the relevant episode.

Carys (who lacks recording facilities)
 
Posted by Trudy Scrumptious (# 5647) on :
 
Tom Paris was my biggest Trek crush ever. "Blood Fever" was such a hot episode.

What happened to Kes was that she began developing some bizarre superpowers that were turning her into some kind of hyper-amazing being, but were too dangerous and uncontrollable for the Voyager crew, so they dropped her off somewhere to pursue her own destiny. And later she came back for a single episode, kind of pissed-off and furious and threatening everyone, although it all got resolved in the end.

Or, if you want to look at it another way, what happened to Kes was the 7 of 9 came along and apparently Voyager could only handle one blond female character.
 
Posted by iGeek (# 777) on :
 
"How Much for Just the Planet" -- my fav TOS book.

My fav TNG episode was the one where Picard lived a whole life on another planet after encountering a probe whose sole purpose was to tell the universe of the dying species: "We existed!"

ST2 was really good, as I recall.

Tom Paris was OK but I still like Bashir on DS9 best.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Joyeux:
I have started to wonder if the nameless holographic Doctor in Voyager ...
Actually, he gave himself a name. Joe, as I recall!

One of my very favorite Star Trek episodes: Death to the Opposition and the DS-Niners. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Eigon (# 4917) on :
 
How Much For Just the Planet was great fun.
I also liked what Diane Duane did with the Romulans in several novels (she called them Rihannsu).

As for Q, one of my other long time obsessions is Robin Hood, so one of my favourite TNG episodes is Q-pid, in which Patrick Stewart gets to play Errol Flynn (kind of).
 
Posted by Joyeux (# 3851) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
quote:
Originally posted by Joyeux:
I have started to wonder if the nameless holographic Doctor in Voyager ...
Actually, he gave himself a name. Joe, as I recall!
And Schweitzer (Heroes and Demons) and Schmullus (given to him by female Vidiian doctor whose life he saved)... but wasn't his name of Joe only in the final episode?
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
You may be right, Joyeux. I'm just pulling out the dregs of my tiny memory right now. [Biased]
 
Posted by opaWim (# 11137) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by opaWim:
StarTrek-crushes?

Jadzia Dax [Hot and Hormonal]
And I've just realized I've been repressing the memory of my far greater crush on Deanna Troi.

Why do I have crushes on slightly creepy characters I would firmly avoid in real life? [Biased]
 
Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Joyeux:
quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
quote:
Originally posted by Joyeux:
I have started to wonder if the nameless holographic Doctor in Voyager ...
Actually, he gave himself a name. Joe, as I recall!
And Schweitzer (Heroes and Demons) and Schmullus (given to him by female Vidiian doctor whose life he saved)... but wasn't his name of Joe only in the final episode?
I think that's right. But then, of course, Janeway went back in time to change certain events, so that scene never took place. Which means that Janeway never went back in time, so it did take place ...

Excuse me, I'm going to go and sit in a corner and rock backwards and forwards a bit.
 
Posted by cattyish (# 7829) on :
 
It's not really a crush, but I found the love story between B'elanna Torres and Tom Paris particularly absorbing. It was all a bit on the smooth and easy side until B'elanna got pregnant and tried to genetically engineer the Klingon out of her unborn child.
 
Posted by cygnus (# 3294) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:


What happened to Kes was that she began developing some bizarre superpowers that were turning her into some kind of hyper-amazing being, but were too dangerous and uncontrollable for the Voyager crew, so they dropped her off somewhere to pursue her own destiny. And later she came back for a single episode, kind of pissed-off and furious and threatening everyone, although it all got resolved in the end.

Or, if you want to look at it another way, what happened to Kes was the 7 of 9 came along and apparently Voyager could only handle one blond female character.
It's too bad that with Kes they didn't follow the seven year lifespan of her race. I doubt that they would have dealt with it anyway in a realistic way, but it would have been really interesting to see her age and deal with her natural lifespan (and the crew face it too). But no doubt had she stayed, they would have found a way to keep her young and pretty for the duration of the series.
 
Posted by Lord Jestocost (# 12909) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
Or, if you want to look at it another way, what happened to Kes was the 7 of 9 came along and apparently Voyager could only handle one blond female character.
Yup, they burned the midnight oil on that one: pointy-eared elf with a seven-year lifespan who makes Neelix happy or dropdead gorgeous babe in a skintight onepiece? But after due consideration thet made the right choice.

quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
I think that's right. But then, of course, Janeway went back in time to change certain events, so that scene never took place. Which means that Janeway never went back in time, so it did take place ...
Much as I love Trek, this is the kind of thing that was really winding me up by the end. Early Trek wrestled with Heavy Moral Principles. Later Trek just assumed that whatever best suited the interests of the main characters was Right. Thus, they could changing timelines without batting an eyelid, potentially consigning billions of sentient beings across the universe to non-existence, just so a starship with a couple of hundred people on board can get home ...

Never mind, never mind. Seven of Nine. Focus.
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by opaWim:
StarTrek-crushes?

Jadzia Dax [Hot and Hormonal]
Nothing embarrasing about that.

What is slightly [Hot and Hormonal] - worthy is trying to come up with a plausible time-travel plot that means you could date both Jadzia and Ezri at the same time [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Nothing to it. You just invent two "Mary Sues"- one for each scenario.

Worked for me and Picard and Spock. [Biased]
 
Posted by Trudy Scrumptious (# 5647) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Jestocost:
Yup, they burned the midnight oil on that one: pointy-eared elf with a seven-year lifespan who makes Neelix happy or dropdead gorgeous babe in a skintight onepiece? But after due consideration thet made the right choice.
Yeah, that's exactly the attitude that annoys me about the franchise ... there are only a limited number of female roles, and if you bring in a new one, you have to evaluate which of the existing ones has the least potential to provide sexual fantasies for male viewers, and get rid of her. Rather than, say, observing that Kes and Seven were quite different characters with very different conflicts and potential story arcs, and having room for both of them. Nope, they're both blond chicks, better get rid of the less obviously sexy one.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
there are only a limited number of female roles, and if you bring in a new one, you have to evaluate which of the existing ones has the least potential to provide sexual fantasies for male viewers, and get rid of her
Bugger.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Always loved ST in any incarnation but whoever invented the mischievous 'deity' Q was a true genius.

Couldn't they have made just one major ST movie with John de Lancie baffling, teasing and testing humanity?
 
Posted by Joyeux (# 3851) on :
 
IIRC, it was Gene R. himself who invented the character of Q.

The thing about Kes was that she just got to be so annoying! The actress, writers, etc, couldn't get a balance for her innocence / naivete with what she had been learning by being part of this starship crew.

Oh, and no credit to my memory; I've been watching through seasons 1 & 2 of Voyager, on loan from some friends.
 
Posted by Sparrow (# 2458) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
Always loved ST in any incarnation but whoever invented the mischievous 'deity' Q was a true genius.

Couldn't they have made just one major ST movie with John de Lancie baffling, teasing and testing humanity?
I couldn't really see Q as being just mischeivous - he was quite malicious most of the time, frequently causing unnecessary deaths just on a whim.

[Disappointed]
 
Posted by ElaineC (# 12244) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
Always loved ST in any incarnation but whoever invented the mischievous 'deity' Q was a true genius.

Couldn't they have made just one major ST movie with John de Lancie baffling, teasing and testing humanity?
Wasn't that the feature length pilot of Next Generation where Q puts Jean-Luc on trial for the crimes of humanity?
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
But that one, though excellent, wasn't a movie, ElaineC, it was made for TV. I wish they had gone for a made-for-theatres movie with Q, Data and (even) Spock mixing it. [Frown]
 
Posted by Mr Clingford (# 7961) on :
 
In the UK Startrek IV is on Film4 tonight at 1850. I will aim to watch as I haven't seen it before.
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineC:
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
Always loved ST in any incarnation but whoever invented the mischievous 'deity' Q was a true genius.

Couldn't they have made just one major ST movie with John de Lancie baffling, teasing and testing humanity?
Wasn't that the feature length pilot of Next Generation where Q puts Jean-Luc on trial for the crimes of humanity?
...which is then taken up in the final TNG episode, "All Good Things..." (that one makes me cry too!)
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
I am a TNG fan to some extent as I went to high school and played (American) football with Michael Dorn who plays Worf. He has a unique mode of transport when he goes to conferences and conventions: old fighter jets. I wore my old letterman's jacket to one convention and he recognized it and called me out of the crowd!

I did not like the last film much as there were too many new people playing old roles: never been a big fan of prologues or flashbacks...
 
Posted by Campbellite (# 1202) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mamacita:
Another nice bit of TNG is the occasional appearance of Whoopi Goldberg as the bartender/"listener" Guinan. According to Goldberg, she approached Gene Roddenberry about having a tiny part in the series as a way of expressing her gratitude for the character of Lt. Uhura in the original series. She says that, as a little girl, she was inspired by Uhura's character -- an officer on the ship, smart as well as beautiful -- who was at the time the only African-American actress on TV who literally wasn't playing someone's maid.
The episode in which Uhuru and Kirk kiss was the very first interracial kiss on American television.
 
Posted by markey (# 14847) on :
 
Star Trek crushes?
I rather liked Data. I'm not alone, am I? [Confused]
 
Posted by cattyish (# 7829) on :
 
Markey, I think he's not my type. Brent Spiner might be though.

Maybe we should all go to a Star Trek convention as characters we make up for the purpose and try to convince the real Trekkers that they've missed some episodes.

Cattyish, evil giggle.
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by markey:
Star Trek crushes?
I rather liked Data. I'm not alone, am I? [Confused]
Well, he's "Fully functional and programmed in multiple techniques".
- from The Naked Now, TNG, Series 1, episode 2 (counting the two 'Encounter at Farpoint' parts as one episode), an episode based on TOS episode 'The Naked Time'.

I didn't need to Google that to know that. Am I a sad person? [Hot and Hormonal]
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cattyish:

Maybe we should all go to a Star Trek convention as characters we make up for the purpose and try to convince the real Trekkers that they've missed some episodes.

Cattyish, evil giggle.
So, I would be able to take my lightsaber with me to a ST convention? I'm sure the Trekkies (old form of Trekkers) wouldn't mind. [Devil]
 
Posted by New Yorker (# 9898) on :
 
I hope that this is okay for this thread and board, if not I'll start a thread in Purgatory.

I've always wanted to discuss the subject of religion and Star Trek with other, more knowledgable people. Does Star Trek have an anti-religious or anti-Christian bias?

Star Trek - The Original Series had some references to religion if I recall correctly. They were positive or neutral, as one would expect for the era in which that series was filmed.

The rest of the series seemed to avoid the subject, at least directly. There were several pot-shots at religion, however. Let me cite two examples from memory.

One was the Next Generation Episode where a planet was waiting for its goddess to return and some crook with a really fast transporter tried to take advantage of the poor aliens. Another was the Voyager episode where a race instead of burying their dead beamed them to heaven but the Voyager crew discovered that the bodies simply piled up on a distant moon.

So I am not arguing that the more recent Star Treks were anti-Christian / anti-religion. I am asking whether others think they were or were not.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Deep Space Nine was full of religious content. Bajor, the closest planet in a system near DS9 was basically a theocracy that venerated the Prophets, the beings that inhabited the wormhole near the station. (That they were called "Prophets" makes me think that they were prophets of a Higher Power, although that's just my interpretation.) The Prophets seemed to guide the world of Bajor benevolently, but the elders who ran the government sometimes had the problems any power system is prone to have, with the extra draw-back of the opinion that God is on "our side". It was especially irritating to them that the Prophets had specifically decided that Com. Sisko was going to be their current Emissary to the people of Bajor rather than a Bajoran divine.

Like most subjects dealt with on DS9, religion was never all happy-happy joy-joy. I think it was generally positive, however.

[ 19. February 2010, 16:03: Message edited by: Lyda*Rose ]
 
Posted by Gill H (# 68) on :
 
To me, there seemed to be a general consensus that humanity had 'grown out of' religion. Other species could have their religions, but not humans.

I didn't mind that until we got Chakotay (sp?) with his Native American beliefs. Surely in purely statistical terms, it was pretty unlikely that virtually no vestige of Christianity remained, but Native American beliefs were still around.

Of course, like a lot of things, the attitudes to religion in the different series reveal a lot more about when the programmes were made than anything about the future.

I do remember a TNG episode set on a planet where even the most minor infringement of their laws was punishable by death. (It was Wesley in the dock, so no problem really ... [Biased] ) That could make interesting sermon material, certainly.
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
I believe Gene Roddenberry (aka 'the Great Bird of The Galaxy') thought as part of his original vision for Trek that humanity by the 23rd century (as Classic Trek was set then) would have grown out of religion.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
I believe Gene Roddenberry (aka 'the Great Bird of The Galaxy') thought as part of his original vision for Trek that humanity by the 23rd century (as Classic Trek was set then) would have grown out of religion.
Even so, there were a few episodes dealing with religion. I remember the end of Bread and Circuses, where Uhura informs the men-folk that instead of sun-worshipers, the people of that planet worshiped the Son of God.

The GBotG may have changed his mind about now. [Biased]
 
Posted by Joyeux (# 3851) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by New Yorker:
...Another was the Voyager episode where a race instead of burying their dead beamed them to heaven but the Voyager crew discovered that the bodies simply piled up on a distant moon....
I have recently seen that episode, called "Emanations," and at the end of the episode, Janeway mentioned to Harry Kim that they were detecting some energy discharge that they couldn't account for, and that it seem quite active... thus making the concept of an after-life more ambiguous.

What about the episode in TNG when Q offers to make Riker a Q... and the good Captain advises against it? Anyone else see echoes of the snake in the Garden of Eden in that? No? I'll get me coat.
 


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