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Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
Hordes of Right-wingnut Republican Barbarians are at the gates. We are DOOMED! Please join the U.S. You would be the largest state in land mass, but more importantly, the 2nd largest (after California) in population. Please help us, the fate of western civilization lies in your hands [Help] [Help] [Help]

[ 02. March 2011, 20:16: Message edited by: Belisarius ]
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
Save us Hell. Invade western Washington State and annex us to B.C. That's all.
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Save us Hell. Invade western Washington State and annex us to B.C. That's all.

Don't be selfish! Keep going all the way down to the Mexican border.

Really we could have a quite nice upside-down-U-shaped Blue State/Canadian Federation and let the Red States do their thing on their own w/o our taxes subsidizing them...
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
w/o our taxes subsidizing them...

That's the rub, isn't it? Fucking ungrateful. We subsidize them for millions of dollars and they bitch about being taxed.
 
Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :
 
They're coming to town today. I'm tempted to head down and watch. [Two face]
 
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on :
 
That Declaration of Independence isn't look like such a good idea now, is it?
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
They've got the Gatlin Brothers????

NOOOOOOOO!!!! [Waterworks]
 
Posted by Silver Faux (# 8783) on :
 
Could we maybe consider doing this gradually - Canadians like to brood for a couple hundred years on choices such as this one.
Maybe, we could begin by making Florida a province of Canada (y'all can keep a certain former Governor whose initials are JEB) and after we assess the effects of this first step, we could hold a constutional conference and begin to debate the issue, not just until the cows come home, but until their distant descendants die of old age and cows, in fact, become extinct.
But Canadian health care for us when we visit Florida, with cheap condos on the market there - I think we would probably like that.
 
Posted by Silver Faux (# 8783) on :
 
Canadians, by the way, spell the word "constitutional" different from what y'all do down there!
 
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Silver Faux:

Maybe, we could begin by making Florida a province of Canada (y'all can keep a certain former Governor whose initials are JEB) and after we assess the effects of this first step, we could hold a constutional conference and begin to debate the issue, not just until the cows come home, but until their distant descendants die of old age and cows, in fact, become extinct.

Is Vermont a better candidate?
 
Posted by fausto (# 13737) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
Hordes of Right-wingnut Republican Barbarians are at the gates. We are DOOMED! Please join the U.S. You would be the largest state in land mass, but more importantly, the 2nd largest (after California) in population. Please help us, the fate of western civilization lies in your hands [Help] [Help] [Help]

Canada would come in as way more than just one state. They have ten provinces, plus some territories. Even if Quebec opted out (which would be likely), there would be at least six or seven new blue states and the Senate would no longer be burdened with filibusters.

[ 12. September 2010, 16:46: Message edited by: fausto ]
 
Posted by romanlion (# 10325) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
Hordes of Right-wingnut Republican Barbarians are at the gates. We are DOOMED! Please join the U.S. You would be the largest state in land mass, but more importantly, the 2nd largest (after California) in population. Please help us, the fate of western civilization lies in your hands [Help] [Help] [Help]

Dear dims,

Please take your lumps without all the whining.

Thank you!
 
Posted by Photo Geek (# 9757) on :
 
If you take Ohio, you'll have all of lake Erie, [Razz]
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
They're coming to town today. I'm tempted to head down and watch. [Two face]

Yes, Dick Armey and his "Dick Army"(I'm sorry,I know that's sophomoric, but I couldn't help myself [Hot and Hormonal] ) are storming the Commie-Pinko Bastille.

Glad to see you Roman(cave)lion. So when the Republican Regnum and Imperium take over, will they start throwing us to the lions? Of course Armey worships at the Altar of Ayn Rand so America will just end up in anarchy and a failed state, Ripe pickings for China to take us over. [Eek!] [Killing me] [Razz]
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
It's a good thing I finished my coffee before I signed on to the Ship. So 1776 isn't looking like such a good idea eh?

Lessee, Washington, Arizona, Vermont, Ohio... BTW owning all of Lake Erie isn't much of an attraction, two times a dump is still a dump.

In return for higher taxes you will receive universal health care and a criminal system with no death penalty. Oh, and a banking system that is actually solvent.

I expect Her Majesty will want an apology from the Lost Provinces before considering their (re)admission.

I'll get the Maple Leaf Flags in the mail for everyone then. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jack of Sarmatia (# 13913) on :
 
I've always found the existence of Canada somewhat reassuring; like a transatlantic Denmark, but with bigger scenery.
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
Wait a dog gone minute!!!! My OP has been hi-jacked! Is Outrage! Canada is supposed to become a part of us. Also, they'll need to learn how to speak good ol' American. You can start by trying to pronounce "about" properly!
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
We have no wish to associate ourselves with the misguided stain of rebellion against Her Majesty.

Besides, if we're right and you're wrong, you get to join us, not the other way around.

Your assimilation will proceed with the alphabet, starting with the letter "zed." We shall then move on to the proper use of the letter "u" and the proper spelling of words like "centre". [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Shadowhund (# 9175) on :
 
It's pretty remarkable how you people are sore losers even before you have actually lost! Just like the South Carolinians of 1860! All that's missing is the left-wing equivalent of Dixie and Maryland, my Maryland.
 
Posted by RadicalWhig (# 13190) on :
 
Canadians for World Domination might have a thing or two to say about this. They've even got maps.

Seriously, though, you don't want Canada to join the USA (which would just ruin Canada). Much better for all concerned if the vaguely civilised bits of the USA decide to become Canadian provinces.
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Shadowhund:
It's pretty remarkable how you people are sore losers even before you have actually lost! Just like the South Carolinians of 1860! All that's missing is the left-wing equivalent of Dixie and Maryland, my Maryland.

I don't know about a version for "Maryland My Maryland", but I do love "The Battle Hymn of the Republic". That might be a stirring song for us "Commie-Pinko" Christians.
 
Posted by New Yorker (# 9898) on :
 
No. Commie-Pinkos would never have a "Battle Hymn."

On the original point, if we right-wingers take over the US, we can work with that wonderful chap, Harper, to take Canada next. After consolidating North America we can retake the British Isles for right-wingism.

Today Canada. Tomorrow the world!
 
Posted by Horseman Bree (# 5290) on :
 
In memory of that other Illinoisan, here is the first verse of "Maryland, Sweet Maryland"

The despot's heel is on thy shore,
Maryland, my Maryland!
His torch is at thy temple door,
Maryland, my Maryland!
Avenge the patriotic gore
That flecked the streets of Baltimore,
And be the battle queen of yore,
Maryland! My Maryland!

(sorry, ETA tune is "Tannenbaum")

The present fella isn't the only rep from there to have really annoyed the right-wingers!

I'd like to add the following hymn for Republicans:

(to the tune of In the Sweet By and By)

There's a land that is hotter than this.
It's a place where Republicans go!
Where their sins and their misdeeds are known,
And justice from the people shall flow.

They will sweat
(By and by)
They will fret
(by and by)
They will weep in the torments below!
They will sweat, they will fret
And will reap all the pain that they sow.


(I copied both of these from Ship posts BTW. A mine of useful information!)

[ 12. September 2010, 23:08: Message edited by: Horseman Bree ]
 
Posted by RadicalWhig (# 13190) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by New Yorker:
.. we can retake the British Isles for right-wingism.

I used to hope, by that point, to be living in the Scottish Republic.

Now I hope, by that point, to be living in Luxembourg, or some other such suitably civilised (i.e. not overrun with right-wing nut jobs) place.
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Silver Faux:
Could we maybe consider doing this gradually - Canadians like to brood for a couple hundred years on choices such as this one.
Maybe, we could begin by making Florida a province of Canada (y'all can keep a certain former Governor whose initials are JEB) and after we assess the effects of this first step, we could hold a constutional conference and begin to debate the issue, not just until the cows come home, but until their distant descendants die of old age and cows, in fact, become extinct.
But Canadian health care for us when we visit Florida, with cheap condos on the market there - I think we would probably like that.

Florida's iffy... how 'bout California? Al the advantages of Florida w/o the humidity!
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:


In return for higher taxes you will receive universal health care and a criminal system with no death penalty. Oh, and a banking system that is actually solvent.

Done.


quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:


I expect Her Majesty will want an apology from the Lost Provinces before considering their (re)admission.

Hey, half us Blue States were never a part of the Empire in the first place. And Geo. III was... well... a lot like our last George.
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
Wait a dog gone minute!!!! My OP has been hi-jacked! Is Outrage! Canada is supposed to become a part of us. Also, they'll need to learn how to speak good ol' American. You can start by trying to pronounce "about" properly!

Hey, the way my BC hubby says "out and about" is one of his most charming features! Don't mess w/ that!
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
The price of your salvation is a little grovelling. [Snigger]

And you'll have to learn to speak more gratefully of His Late Majesty George III.

Making every city, town, village and hamlet in the Lost Provinces have one of: King Street, Queen Street, George Street or Charlotte Street would be a good start.

Every settlement in Ontario has one of the above.
 
Posted by Alt Wally (# 3245) on :
 
Does this mean we can appropriate Don Cherry and Tim Hortons as American cultural icons?
 
Posted by Silver Faux (# 8783) on :
 
You will, of course, be required to put one-half ounce of white vinegar on each serving of french fries, unless eaten with fish, in which case, malt vinegar becomes mandatory.
Eating bear claws and butter tarts, however, should be easy to get used to.
But pit bulls shall be banned as pets, and all guns must be registered, stored in locked cases, and have trigger locks attached.
If you come to Alberta, grizzly bears and cougars will constantly stalk you through the deep, never-ending snow.
Oh, and most of our politicians are, umm, a little difficult to listen to for more than ten seconds at a time.
Really, wouldn't you sooner give us Florida just to have us go away?
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Silver Faux:
You will, of course, be required to put one-half ounce of white vinegar on each serving of french fries, unless eaten with fish, in which case, malt vinegar becomes mandatory.
Eating bear claws and butter tarts, however, should be easy to get used to.
But pit bulls shall be banned as pets, and all guns must be registered, stored in locked cases, and have trigger locks attached.
If you come to Alberta, grizzly bears and cougars will constantly stalk you through the deep, never-ending snow.
Oh, and most of our politicians are, umm, a little difficult to listen to for more than ten seconds at a time.
Really, wouldn't you sooner give us Florida just to have us go away?

Hey, I'm not trying to get rid of you... I'm trying to join you! That's why I think Calif. should be in line ahead of Florida-- we're way bluer, and have nicer weather.
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alt Wally:
Does this mean we can appropriate Don Cherry and Tim Hortons as American cultural icons?

No. They remain Canadian, you unfortunate rebels will receive the honour of being annexed to this glorious land, not the other way around.

Time to start stripping stars off Old Glory.

Speaking of guns, reminds me of a story of a coworker's father who lived in Virginia. He kept a Handgun (loaded of course) in his night table. He decided to clean it one day and it went off accidentally. Between his legs, of course, though it missed the important bits.

I can understand owning a handgun. I can understand keeping one in your night table. I can even understand the desire to keep it loaded. What I cannot understand is the need to clean it in bed instead of taking to the garage and cleaning it there, where the oil and rags and such belong. I'm also dumbfounded as to why he didn't clear the action as a matter of course.

See? These are the things we are going to save you from.
 
Posted by Horseman Bree (# 5290) on :
 
As a proper example following up on SPK's advice, may I offer St. Mary's Anglican Church in Chatham, NB, loctaed on the block of Wellington Street between King and Queen Streets?

Or, of course, Fredericton, NB, with Queen, King, Brunswick, George and Charlotte Streets, all crossed by Regent. The Cathedral is on Brunswick, just to keep the German royal connection in perspective.

A little more of that sort of thing would be good for the rebels.

Not that I think the Loyalists up here would want much to do with the kind of attitude shown by their not-so-freedom-loving neighbours.
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
I myself have attended churches located on streets with names such as George and Regent. The village with Regent Street had the Anglican, Baptist and United Churches all on that street, plus the United Church's manse, where I lived. In that village Regent Street was crossed by Albert Street.

Another church I went to was on Church Street, which faced Victoria Square and King Street.

Metropolitan United Church, Toronto is on Queen Street.
 
Posted by Silver Faux (# 8783) on :
 
In Erin, Ontario, the manse is covered in Presbyterian blue siding, and is located at 26 Scotch Street, as in a 26-ouncer of scotch!
In Atwood, the Presbyterian Church is located on the corner of Church and Monument Street, and there is one main road leading into town, which ends at a T-intersection facing the picture window in the Presbyterian manse. This allows everyone who comes into town to shine their headlight high beams, and learn whether the minister is at home sitting on his sofa, and just what is in his shot glass.

None of which is nearly as strange as Tinkling Springs Presbyterian Church in the state of New Jersey, Hole in the Wall Presbyterian Church in California, or Three Chopped Presbyterian Church in Virginia, so Canada still come out as the overall winner.
 
Posted by John Holding (# 158) on :
 
All right people, breathe deeply.

I'm trying to decide where to send this -- Heaven or The Circus.

Too frivolous for the Circus.

Up you go.

John Holding
Purgatory Host
 
Posted by piglet (# 11803) on :
 
When you become part of Canada, the national dish will, of course, be seal-flipper pie.

We've just spent seven years getting Permanent Residence in Canada and we're not going through all that again, eh?

[Devil]
 
Posted by daviddrinkell (# 8854) on :
 
See the Canadians for World Domination website mentioned above for the recipe.

First club your seal.
 
Posted by Starlight (# 12651) on :
 
It seems to me that the northern states brought it on themselves: They should have let the separatists form their own country instead of fighting the Civil War to force the Confederacy into the fold. Had they done that, the Northern USA today could govern themselves properly and they could laugh as the crazy southern Confederacy made endless stupid political decisions.

While I don't live in the States and don't have much insider knowledge, on the face of it the idea of the USA splitting today into two entities does seem plausible, since the political division seems quite geographically split.

In the mean time, the rest of the Western world will continue to laugh at the USA and roll our eyes at how far behind the rest of the world the USA is falling.

quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
Please help us, the fate of western civilization lies in your hands [Help] [Help] [Help]

The fate of western civilization?
[Killing me] Um, yeah, like the USA matters to any of us in the rest of the West. The rest of western civilization left the USA in its dust decades ago. The fall of the USA is now merely a political and historical curiosity to the rest of us.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Silver Faux:

Maybe, we could begin by making Florida a province of Canada

Can't.

Miami is already a suburb of both Cuba and New York City. The Conch Republic will fight anyone trying to make them do anything, and the Crackers don't believe in snow. But y'all come and visit! [Big Grin] Bring money.
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:


Making every city, town, village and hamlet in the Lost Provinces have one of: King Street, Queen Street, George Street or Charlotte Street would be a good start.

Every settlement in Ontario has one of the above.

I live 2 blocks from Via Del Rey, will that do? I think there's a La Reina Way around here somewhere too....
 
Posted by RadicalWhig (# 13190) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Starlight:
It seems to me that the northern states brought it on themselves: They should have let the separatists form their own country instead of fighting the Civil War to force the Confederacy into the fold. Had they done that, the Northern USA today could govern themselves properly and they could laugh as the crazy southern Confederacy made endless stupid political decisions.


Possibly. But, at the risk of being a bit purgatorial again, the South didn't really go all right-wing until after the civil war. The old planter aristocracies had been surprising liberal, except for the one issue of slavery, and the poor white had been just as radical as northerners before the civil war and the onset of recontruction and industrialisation decimated their way of life.

The things that the South had in common with Canada were a stronger communitarian (rather than individualist) culture, a more deferential society, and lots of Scottish and Scots-Irish blood. It's no accident that the battle flag of the confederacy and the flag of Nova Scotia have a certain passing similarity of design.

I've often wondered how things would have worked out differently if the South had accepted British help in the civil war in return for the gradual phasing out of slavery and accepting dominion status with Victoria as "Queen of the Southern States".

Perhaps the South, under Canadian-style institutions, would have developed into a civilised, genteel country with educated people and universal health care. On the other hand, it might have ended up looking a bit like the Union of South Africa, with the unsettled race issue permanently skewing its politics. This is, of course, pure speculation, but it is an interesting idea for an alternative history novel.

It might have come be a bit late for George Streets, Charlottle Streets and Regent Streets, but it would have had its share of Victoria Streets, Albert Streets and Adelaide Streets.

quote:

While I don't live in the States and don't have much insider knowledge, on the face of it the idea of the USA splitting today into two entities does seem plausible, since the political division seems quite geographically split.


Indeed - although the scale of the difference is grossly distorted by the winner-takes-all electoral system. There are few "red" or "blue" states; there are lots of unnoticed "purple" ones, where a large minority of the population are effectively voiceless - and this adds to the sense of frustration and political alienation.

quote:
In the mean time, the rest of the Western world will continue to laugh at the USA and roll our eyes at how far behind the rest of the world the USA is falling.
Indeed. It is quite fun, in a sad way, watching the USA self-destruct before our eyes; like watching the fall of the Roman Republic played out live on Fox News and CNN.

But the problem is that they are dragging the rest of us down with it. Look at the mess caused in Britain by being the poodle to America: the untaming of capitalism, the destruction of the social market economy, two expensive and unjustified wars, the suppression of civil liberties, an economic crisis, and massive environmental destruction. I don't blame all of this on America, of course - we share the blame ourselves - but, still.

Apologies for moments of unheavenly seriousness.

But I do have one fluffy question: Why don't Canadians play cricket?
 
Posted by Ferdzy (# 8702) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RadicalWhig:
But I do have one fluffy question: Why don't Canadians play cricket?

Duuuuude.

Our national sport is officially lacrosse, and our actual national sport is hockey. Cricket?! Booooring.

Mind you where Canadians of Indian, Pakistani or Caribbean origin are gathered together, they DO play cricket. You just won't see it on the telly.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RadicalWhig:
...But I do have one fluffy question: Why don't Canadians play cricket?

Because a single match lasts longer than our summer.
 
Posted by Alt Wally (# 3245) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
I can understand owning a handgun. I can understand keeping one in your night table. I can even understand the desire to keep it loaded. What I cannot understand is the need to clean it in bed instead of taking to the garage and cleaning it there, where the oil and rags and such belong. I'm also dumbfounded as to why he didn't clear the action as a matter of course.

Because the oil and rags are a fire hazard. So if you clean your gun in bed, you can smoke at the same time. Duh.
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
Can you imagine any of our Southern friends keeping a straight face whilst singing "O,Canada" if they were to join British North America [Big Grin]
 
Posted by ken (# 2460) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jack of Sarmatia:
...like a transatlantic Denmark, but with bigger scenery.

Actually, that's called "Greenland".

And is the reason that Denmark is the third largest nation state in North America by land area, ahead of Mexico [Snigger]

Yep, not only does Her Maj. Brenda reign over more of North America than than the President of the US does, her Maj. Margrethe has more of it than the President of Mexico does.

So after all those revolutions and wars of independence and constitutions and all, a higher proportion of North America is ruled by monarchies than back here in old Europe....

[ 13. September 2010, 18:17: Message edited by: ken ]
 
Posted by Alt Wally (# 3245) on :
 
quote:
Yep, not only does Her Maj. Brenda reign over more of North America than than the President of the US does, her Maj. Margrethe has more of it than the President of Mexico does.
Then bugger Canada and we'll see if the Danes will have us.
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alt Wally:
quote:
Yep, not only does Her Maj. Brenda reign over more of North America than than the President of the US does, her Maj. Margrethe has more of it than the President of Mexico does.
Then bugger Canada and we'll see if the Danes will have us.
Since when has Canada deserved to be buggered! It might be sometihng you do in the lost colonies, but not in the realm of HM QEII.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
As a matter of interest, does Canada have those ridiculous and bewildering four way stop signs at cross-roads? Or has it entered the nineteenth century and introduced roundabouts? This could decide who goes where - though personally I have always resented the fact there is a big block of Not Pink on world maps, south of the 49th [Frown]

I'm happy to be arbitrator, though. Totally unbiased, of course.

Um. Except that if Canada annexes those states to the north of Mexico (leaving that Russian colony up north, from where Ms Palin surveys the Murdoch Press, shoots grizzlies with her bare hands , no pun intended, and generally saves the, erm, civilized world) the new Canada may gain even more medals than Australia at the increasingly forgettable Commonwealth Games. And while that would put Australia, those nasty republicans, in its place, it may further damage NZ's shaky standings. Gotta think about these peripheral implications.
 
Posted by Lothiriel (# 15561) on :
 
No, no, no, you've got it backwards. Roundabouts are very medieval -- that's what you get when roads are allowed to go any which way they please. Much of Canada was laid out in strict grids by god-fearing 19th century surveyors (probably Scots Presbyterians, mostly) -- much more modern.

eta: grids = 4-way stops

[ 13. September 2010, 19:45: Message edited by: Lothiriel ]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Groan. I'm sure they inspired Waiting for Godot.
 
Posted by Liberty (# 713) on :
 
What's worse Zappa, is that (unlike Americans) Canadians actually always stop at those pesky stop signs.
 
Posted by Alt Wally (# 3245) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by les@BALM:
Since when has Canada deserved to be buggered! It might be sometihng you do in the lost colonies, but not in the realm of HM QEII.

Proverbially speaking of course. Although I did notice SPK said there isn't a hamlet or burg in the Province of Ontario without a Queen Street.

Anyway, the Danes have won. They also speak better English than we do. They also won't be putting up stop signs with meaningless gibberish like "arrêt" on our street corners.

I've got my bottle of Aquavit and a copy of Either/Or so the matter is settled.

[ 13. September 2010, 19:55: Message edited by: Alt Wally ]
 
Posted by Lothiriel (# 15561) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Liberty:
What's worse Zappa, is that (unlike Americans) Canadians actually always stop at those pesky stop signs.

I wish. In my neighbourhood, particularly at night, people tend to zoom right through with just the merest pretence of slowing down.
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Silver Faux:
You will, of course, be required to put one-half ounce of white vinegar on each serving of french fries, unless eaten with fish, in which case, malt vinegar becomes mandatory.

Unless you're at a Finnish/Scandinavian eating establishment in Thunder Bay where you have the option of gravy(yum-yum) [Yipee]
 
Posted by Starlight (# 12651) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
As a matter of interest, does Canada have those ridiculous and bewildering four way stop signs at cross-roads?

Oh yes they most definitely do. I was there two weeks ago on holiday and they were confusing me no end.

I was extra confused because I wasn't sure when pedestrians had right of way and when the cars did. And the cars were driving on the wrong side of the road. As a result those 3-way and 4-way stop sign intersections really messed with my head every time I had to try to use one, and it seemed they were everywhere... I commend the concept of roundabouts to the attention of Canadian town planners, they really do make life simpler and traffic flow faster.
 
Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Starlight:
I was extra confused because I wasn't sure when pedestrians had right of way and when the cars did. And the cars were driving on the wrong side of the road. As a result those 3-way and 4-way stop sign intersections really messed with my head every time I had to try to use one, and it seemed they were everywhere.

It's part timing and part survival of the fittest. As for the pedestrians, the short answer is that they rule the roads. Get your revenge when you are a pedestrian yourself, not when you're driving.
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
Roundabouts have begun to infest Kitchener/Waterloo. It's a bit silly because buses have a hard time going around them and not swiping pedestrians.

No street in Canada is complete without a four-way stop.

Pedestrians ALWAYS have the right-of-way. Even when they don't, you'll still be charged for hitting a pedestrian. A God intended it should be.

Except in Quebec, where all driving laws are really optional.

In reply to cliffdweller, Spanish translations are acceptable. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:

Pedestrians ALWAYS have the right-of-way. Even when they don't, you'll still be charged for hitting a pedestrian. A God intended it should be.

No! So this is not real!?
[Disappointed]
 
Posted by churchgeek (# 5557) on :
 
You all, of course, remember this:
Map of the United States of Canada

I think that's not a bad start. Even if this map-drawer apparently figured there was no point in drawing in the Great Lakes if they no longer served as an international border.

We in Michigan* already say "eh" and have a fair amount of the accent down (especially in the UP, eh). Those of us who are old enough probably still have some Canadian coins we never finished spending before it stopped being accepted at US-side stores (we keep forgetting to dig it out and take it with us when we pop over to Ontario). We play hockey, too, especially when our 10,000+ inland lakes freeze over. Many of us prefer to watch the Stanley Cup finals on CBC. And we already have Tim Hortons!


*I'm not there at the moment; a mere technicality.
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
Well, it's you or Maine. Possibly Massachusetts. Any of those states would be far happier under the Canadian flag.

We can't forget Washington though. Little tough, it would need to be renamed if it wasn't annexed to British Columbia outright.

I know, we'll call it Marijuanaland!

What is it about the letter M in this post?
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
4-way stop signs are a lot cheaper to build than roudabouts. And besides, what's bewildering about them? Any 15-year-old in driver's ed figures them out in the first class session. Are ya'll really that decision-function challenged?
 
Posted by Starlight (# 12651) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
And besides, what's bewildering about them? Any 15-year-old in driver's ed figures them out in the first class session. Are ya'll really that decision-function challenged?

Well since we don't have them in New Zealand, I'd never encountered them before in driver's ed or otherwise. Furthermore, we drive on a different side of the road in NZ, so left is right and right is left. Furthermore, in NZ we have a special give-way rule (that I understand is pretty much unique in the world) where when traffic going opposite ways turns onto the same road the car turning right has priority over the one turning left (that's left turners get priority over right turners for you wrong-side driving North-Americans).

So when I encountered a 3 or 4-way stop I was thinking that the list of rules to apply was as follows:
1) Apply normal give way rules as I know them and come to a conclusion.
2) Retroactively modify the conclusions of the above based on driving on the other side of the road making everything backward.
3) If in a situation where the NZ abnormal give-way rule would have applied (and hence was applied in step 1 of above logic) then retroactively un-apply that rule and achieve modified conclusions. But remember to alter the rule and the modification due to applying the driving on the wrong side of the road fix-up logic.

I was not fully confident in my abilities to follow the above logical steps to the correct conclusion in a timely manner when dealing with a type of intersection I had never encountered before. Fortunately for all, perhaps, I never had occasion to try driving a car in Canada and so only had to try to deal to these intersections as a pedestrian. For that I applied the much much simpler rule of "I don't have the slightest clue whether and when pedestrians have right of way in Canada or how these intersections work but I'd prefer not to get myself run over", which admittedly produced much hesitation and perhaps traffic inefficiency but functioned acceptably for my purposes.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
Rules for 4-way stops:

Of course, as already said, pedestrians always have the right of way. But, for automobiles...

quote:
Timing is everything:
If four vehicles arrive simultaneously, the driver with the most nerve goes first. [Eek!]
 
Posted by Drifting Star (# 12799) on :
 
That sounds very much like a roundabout but without the buffer zone that the roundabout itself provides.
 
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :
 
sharkshooter forgot two important rules about the 4-way stop:
From Leaf, deep in the heart of Four-Way-Stop-Land. [Mad]
 
Posted by Drifting Star (# 12799) on :
 
Aah - so it really is a compact roundabout.
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
All this fussing about 4 way stops! [Disappointed] I have an intersection in my neighbourhood that has a 5 way stop. I just wait for it all to clear and pull an Exorcist head-swivel when crossing.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
All this fussing about 4 way stops! [Disappointed] I have an intersection in my neighbourhood that has a 5 way stop. I just wait for it all to clear and pull an Exorcist head-swivel when crossing.

Civil engineers are known to drink too much.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
All this fussing about 4 way stops! [Disappointed] I have an intersection in my neighbourhood that has a 5 way stop. I just wait for it all to clear and pull an Exorcist head-swivel when crossing.

Civil engineers are known to drink too much.
To borrow a line from the put-down thread, I have seen one sober.

(Oh, and we have a 5-way mini-roundabout at the bottom of our road. It works as well as you'd expect, especially as one of the five is 'onto to roundabout' only.)
 
Posted by Silver Faux (# 8783) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
All this fussing about 4 way stops! [Disappointed] I have an intersection in my neighbourhood that has a 5 way stop. I just wait for it all to clear and pull an Exorcist head-swivel when crossing.

Southern Ontario is graced by a location known as Punkeydoodles Corners, somewhat between Kitchener and Stratford; there are five corners there.
I have often thought that this would be the ideal location for church "head offices;" Anglican, UCC, Presbyterian, or just about any denomination.
People come together from all different directions, and no one is prepared to give way if they can avoid it.
A perfect theological match!
 
Posted by Timothy the Obscure (# 292) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
Rules for 4-way stops:

Of course, as already said, pedestrians always have the right of way. But, for automobiles...

quote:
Timing is everything:
  • The first vehicle to come to a complete stop at the intersection has the right-of-way.
  • If two vehicles arrive at the same time and are facing each other, the left-turning vehicle must yield to the oncoming vehicle.
  • If two vehicles arrive at the same time and are perpendicular to each other, the vehicle on the right has the right-of way. A driver is “the driver on the right with the right-of-way” if that driver has no other driver to the right side.

If four vehicles arrive simultaneously, the driver with the most nerve goes first. [Eek!]
John Prine wrote a song about it:
quote:
It was a four way stop dilemma--we all arrived the same time.
I yielded to the man to the right of me and he yielded it right back to mine.
Well, the yield went around and around and around till Pamela finally tried,
just then the man in the light blue sedan hit Pamela's passenger side.

"The Accident (Things Could Be Worse)"


I like roundabouts myself. But for some reason in Portland they put up stop signs at the roundabouts, which pretty much defeats the purpose.
 
Posted by Photo Geek (# 9757) on :
 
Check out the new roundabout in Southeastern Ohio
 
Posted by daviddrinkell (# 8854) on :
 
ISTM that there is one problem with roundabouts in North America. In the UK, one drives on the left and gives priority to the right - in other words, give priority to those already on the roundabout.

In Canada, one drives on the right but also gives priority to the right. Since traffic on a roundabout would be going anti-clockwise (wouldn't it?), the law about yielding priority would have to be changed.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Traffic flows counter-clockwise and yields to the traffic already in the circle.
 
Posted by Horseman Bree (# 5290) on :
 
Once you've tried the Magic Roundabout , nothing will bother you ever again.

Note that it has clockwise AND counterclockwise circulation. You actually have to think while driving (something that too many Canadians have never realised)
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
There are roundabouts in Hamilton and Kitchener. Kenilworth Circle at the base of the Mountain has been there for ages.

Under existing traffic rules, traffic in a traffic circle has priority as through traffic. Any vehicle making a turn, even a right one, has to yield to through traffic.

This is often made explicit with a Yield Sign but strictly speaking this isn't necessary.
 
Posted by Alt Wally (# 3245) on :
 
There is something utterly Canadian about this conversation, I just can't exactly put my finger on why that is.
 
Posted by piglet (# 11803) on :
 
It'll be the politeness, eh? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Starlight:
Furthermore, in NZ we have a special give-way rule (that I understand is pretty much unique in the world) where when traffic going opposite ways turns onto the same road the car turning right has priority over the one turning left (that's left turners get priority over right turners for you wrong-side driving North-Americans).

Victoria in Australia ran it for ten years. They had the brains to chuck it out. Great theory - shame about the inability of left turning drivers to check their mirrors.
 
Posted by daviddrinkell (# 8854) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Horseman Bree:
Once you've tried the Magic Roundabout , nothing will bother you ever again.

Note that it has clockwise AND counterclockwise circulation. You actually have to think while driving (something that too many Canadians have never realised)

I note that the idea was first tried out in Colchester. That's my home town and I remember the variations on that roundabout very well.....
 
Posted by AristonAstuanax (# 10894) on :
 
You roundabout-lovers should hear the whining DCists raise about our traffic circles. Something about "trying to confuse invading armies" is the usual explanation—though, if I recall correctly, it didn't exactly deter the Canadians last time they visited . . .

Furthermore, if we are going to sign over our much-loved sovereignty, we would like to become part of Francophone Canada. Good food, ersatz Eurpeanism, high culture . . . I'm sure Washingtonians would be all over it. Bring forth the poutine!
 
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :
 
And the European level of taxation in Quebec? Really?

No, dear American(s), we'll have to decline your kind invitation to join. We like you, but we're afraid you'll shoot us. Plus you would never tolerate the restrictions on freedom of speech brought to you by your local Human Rights Commission. Sadly, we will just have to eye each other across the ever-thickening and increasingly spiky border that separates us.
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
Maybe we could send food parcels South of some good Canadian products i.e. Maple Syrup, Poutines, Moosehead .....
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
Those south of our borders (yes we have many, it is not the straight line of popular imagination) should consider that they might have to spend time in re-education camps if they join us (cos we ain't joining you, Stephen Harper's wet dreams to the contrary). We have lots of wilderness for these camps. What was good enough for the Chinese is good enough for you, eh?

[Biased]

[Les, you were talking about Moosehead Ale, weren't you? [Paranoid] Anyway they can have that. Alexander Keith's IPA is for domestic consumption only!]
 
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on :
 
Would the members of GOP, NRA and Westboro Baptist Church all fit on Ellesmere Island?
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
Pete, yes, Moosehead ale seems to have legendary status in Frederiction. The Poutines eaten in Moncton aren't the Quebec version but the Acadian version which is essentially a round ball of potato with some curd ham in the centre and boiled for hours in a pot. They are delicious but heavy on the stomach.
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by les@BALM:
Maybe we could send food parcels South of some good Canadian products i.e. Poutines .....

Only if the nasty cheese curds stay up north. [Projectile]
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
quote:
Originally posted by les@BALM:
Maybe we could send food parcels South of some good Canadian products i.e. Poutines .....

Only if the nasty cheese curds stay up north. [Projectile]
Ah! you're talking about the wrong poutines, in NB the ones I mention above are the order of the day.
 
Posted by Meg the Red (# 11838) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
Would the members of GOP, NRA and Westboro Baptist Church all fit on Ellesmere Island?

Please - it's a sensitive environment! And I think the polar bears would find them pretty hard to digest.
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
Would the members of GOP, NRA and Westboro Baptist Church all fit on Ellesmere Island?

Those get put singly on ice floes and left to die. The Inuit had the right idea, there.

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
Could send the Tea Party to Alaska where their leader Sarah Palin hails from, perhaps the Ice Road Truckers could give them a one way ride to see the most northernly parts of the state.
 
Posted by ToujoursDan (# 10578) on :
 
[Tries to imagine what a New York affiliate of the CBC would be like].

It would certainly turn Can-con* into a whole 'nuther ball game. No more endless plays of Nickelback. [Axe murder]

But could Americans handle not one, but two Communist parties?


[*the requirement that radio and television carry Canadian produced content.]

[ 16. September 2010, 14:30: Message edited by: ToujoursDan ]
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
Oh, the utter delights of comparing the political pages of the New York Times and the Globe and Mail!

Mothership in New York? Or Peter Mansbridge and Lisa Laflamme battling it out for the continents air waves? Paradise, really.

And Louisiana wouldn't feel so alone anymore.
 
Posted by ToujoursDan (# 10578) on :
 
Maybe Canada can also finish metrication instead of having distance, volume, temperature, etc., in metric and a person's height and weight in imperial.
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by les@BALM:
Can you imagine any of our Southern friends keeping a straight face whilst singing "O,Canada" if they were to join British North America [Big Grin]

No, but they'd be part of "Jesusland" where they know the words (or at least can whistle the tune)
 
Posted by ToujoursDan (# 10578) on :
 
Well, many Canadians mumble the words to "O Canada" too, especially when they attempt to do it both languages with one sentence in English, one in French and so on.

There is a story about one hockey match in Ontario or Manitoba where the announcer started the national anthem, got past the first line, stopped it and said: "Well, you know the rest. Let's get the game started" and everyone did without a protest.
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
Maybe there should be Job swaps for HOS, the US can have Harper and we have Obama, I'm sure both countries would be happier with that arrangement.
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
I'm not giving up the Queen, not for anyone!

[Waterworks]
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
I'm not giving up the Queen, not for anyone!

I'm sure she feels the same way about you.
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
I'm not giving up the Queen, not for anyone!

[Waterworks]

Will you still feel the same way when we put Jug Ears on the Twenty when Brenda shuffles off this mortal coil?
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by les@BALM:
Maybe there should be Job swaps for HOS, the US can have Harper and we have Obama, I'm sure both countries would be happier with that arrangement.

Acknowledging the comment that the Prime Minister is NOT the Head of State for Canada, I am quite happy with Harper over Obama.
 
Posted by Drifting Star (# 12799) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
I'm not giving up the Queen, not for anyone!

I'm sure she feels the same way about you.
I've never heard her say a bad word about Pete.
 
Posted by Campbellite (# 1202) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
The price of your salvation is a little grovelling. [Snigger]

And you'll have to learn to speak more gratefully of His Late Majesty George III.

Making every city, town, village and hamlet in the Lost Provinces have one of: King Street, Queen Street, George Street or Charlotte Street would be a good start.

Every settlement in Ontario has one of the above.

Half the towns in Virginia have those already. AND we were named for Her Late Majesty Queen Elizabeth I (the Virgin Queen).


stop snickering back there!
 
Posted by Campbellite (# 1202) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Silver Faux:
Three Chopped Presbyterian Church in Virginia,

The name of that church harkens back to colonial days when the trail was marked (or "blazed") with a set of three marks chopped into the trees along the path. Three Chopped Trail is now US 250 running from Richmond to Charlottesville.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
I'm not giving up the Queen, not for anyone!

[Waterworks]

Will you still feel the same way when we put Jug Ears on the Twenty when Brenda shuffles off this mortal coil?
While I think it's a whole nother thread, I have always had no difficulty with the notion of His Chasness on the throne. He's kinda quaint, out there, but a kool dood really.

And I'm sure he'd eradicate those bloody 4 Way Stops! [Biased]
 
Posted by Silver Faux (# 8783) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Campbellite:
quote:
Originally posted by Silver Faux:
Three Chopped Presbyterian Church in Virginia,

The name of that church harkens back to colonial days when the trail was marked (or "blazed") with a set of three marks chopped into the trees along the path. Three Chopped Trail is now US 250 running from Richmond to Charlottesville.
So it wasn't named after the fate of the first three ministers to serve the congregation?
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
I'm not giving up the Queen, not for anyone!

[Waterworks]

Will you still feel the same way when we put Jug Ears on the Twenty when Brenda shuffles off this mortal coil?
While I think it's a whole nother thread, I have always had no difficulty with the notion of His Chasness on the throne. He's kinda quaint, out there, but a kool dood really.

And I'm sure he'd eradicate those bloody 4 Way Stops! [Biased]

I'm getting a hankering for chopped kiwi....
 
Posted by HughWillRidmee (# 15614) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Will you still feel the same way when we put Jug Ears on the Twenty when Brenda shuffles off this mortal coil?

While I think it's a whole nother thread, I have always had no difficulty with the notion of His Chasness on the throne. He's kinda quaint, out there, but a kool dood really.

And I'm sure he'd eradicate those bloody 4 Way Stops! [Biased]

Many of us think he's a family-sized pork pie short of a picnic - his active support for CAM is both silly and dangerous.

[Cleaned up Badly Mucked Up Code]

[ 24. September 2010, 19:59: Message edited by: jedijudy ]
 
Posted by Horseman Bree (# 5290) on :
 
I'm so glad we can have acronyms that most of us don't recognise. It gives us that sense of wonder and mystery.
 
Posted by Wisewilliam (# 15474) on :
 
Quote: Many of us think he's a family-sized pork pie short of a picnic

I had always thought of him as being one tine short of a pitchfork
 
Posted by Campbellite (# 1202) on :
 
If/When Charlie ascends the throne, IIRC, he may choose any of his Christian names as his Throne name. It is possible that he could be King Arthur.

My money says he will choose to be King George VI, assuming he outlives mummy.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
I'm getting a hankering for chopped kiwi....

Very leathery, I'm afraid. Most unpleasant. And rare ... much easier to buy maccas.
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Campbellite:
If/When Charlie ascends the throne, IIRC, he may choose any of his Christian names as his Throne name. It is possible that he could be King Arthur.

My money says he will choose to be King George VI, assuming he outlives mummy.

King George died in 1952, so he would become George VII, though Charles III is more likely.
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Campbellite:
If/When Charlie ascends the throne, IIRC, he may choose any of his Christian names as his Throne name. It is possible that he could be King Arthur.

My money says he will choose to be King George VI, assuming he outlives mummy.

King George VI died in 1952, so he would become George VII, though Charles III is more likely.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Horseman Bree:
I'm so glad we can have acronyms that most of us don't recognise. It gives us that sense of wonder and mystery.

Ah ... see!
 
Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :
 
If he is superstitious over names not to choose Charles then he won't take Arthur, it has a worse reputation than Charles. At least the Charles got to reign the Arthur's died before ascending(and he is not the only one).

Jengie.
 
Posted by piglet (# 11803) on :
 
I've a vague recollection of hearing years ago that he wouldn't be Charles III, but I don't recall them saying what name he would take. If it isn't to be Charles III, I'd put my money on George VII rather than Arthur or, Heaven forfend, Philip I.

As Campbellite says, it rather depends on his outliving Brenda ... [Big Grin]

[ 28. September 2010, 02:48: Message edited by: piglet ]
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
If Charles doesn't feel he will be popular or not wanted by his subjects I suspect he will walk away and England/Scotland/Wales and NI will become republics.
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
As I think that the Norman Invasion was an umitigated disaster for the English folk, I think Harold II would be a great choice. [Two face]
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
I think you have to go with a name you've already got.

Victoria had a choice between that, and Alexandrina.

Of course, if you really wanted a Harold, you could work your way down the line of succession until you hit lucky. After all, George I was something like fifty-fourth in line (the preceding 53 were all too papistical).
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
Of course, if you really wanted a Harold, you could work your way down the line of succession until you hit lucky. After all, George I was something like fifty-fourth in line (the preceding 53 were all too papistical).

Yah, maybe some taxi driver in Sheffield.
 
Posted by iGeek (# 777) on :
 
If this bloke is right, it'll be the other way 'round.
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by iGeek:
If this bloke is right, it'll be the other way 'round.

Boy, this guy is clueless about America culture [Killing me] Let's see (southern) Virginia. The Carolinas, Kentucky and Tennessee joining with YANKEES, what planet is this guy from? [Ultra confused]
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
quote:
Originally posted by iGeek:
If this bloke is right, it'll be the other way 'round.

Boy, this guy is clueless about America culture [Killing me] Let's see (southern) Virginia. The Carolinas, Kentucky and Tennessee joining with YANKEES, what planet is this guy from? [Ultra confused]
Not so, CA; he is just looking at it differently. At a time in my life (pre-mortgage), I was able to travel abroad for recreation and was taking a week in the Turks and Caicos Islands. At the breakfast buffet, my dashing companion carefully avoided the grits and took a local dish and a fellow snorkeller, from the southern US, grinned at this and commented that "You yankees can't take grits." "Ah," she replied, "I'm Canadian and, where I'm from, you're all Yankees."
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by iGeek:
If this bloke is right, it'll be the other way 'round.

Looks at calender, re-reads portion of article, double checks calender. Hmmmm, either his time-line is off or I haven't paid proper attention to the news. He predicted the US would split apart by June, 2010. It hasn't yet, has it? I mean, I can be a bit out of touch at times, but I think I would have caught that on the telly by now...

[ 28. September 2010, 17:43: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]
 
Posted by iGeek (# 777) on :
 
I'm wondering if he's getting his residuals for "Jericho"
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
As I think that the Norman Invasion was an umitigated disaster for the English folk, I think Harold II would be a great choice. [Two face]

Kings before the Norman Invasion don't count numerically. That's why Edward the Confessor was followed in due time by Edward I (Longshanks).

Scottish Kings are supposed to count and the number is supposed to be the highest reached in either kingdom's list, but since the Scots always had a King James for the last few centuries it's never worked out in practice. In fact a number of Scots got quite angry and blew up mailboxes with "EIIR" in Scotland. Numerically Her Grace is merely Elizabeth north of the Border.

A Malcolm V, David III or Alexander IV would be interesting, but the possibility remains remote.
 
Posted by Silver Faux (# 8783) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
As I think that the Norman Invasion was an umitigated disaster for the English folk, I think Harold II would be a great choice. [Two face]

Kings before the Norman Invasion don't count numerically.
There's another way to count? [Confused] [Confused] [Confused]
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
[Pedantry]

The numbering of Kings of England starts with William the Conqueror. If a name like Edward was used by Anglo-Saxon kings before 1066, it doesn't affect the numbering and is ignored for the purposes of counting.

[/pedantry]
 
Posted by Horseman Bree (# 5290) on :
 
Even though he won the crown by right of conquest, Henry Tudor was careful to point out his descent from previous royals, in order to be sure there would not be civil war.

The Hanoverians were also in the line of descent from the gang after 1066

So the succession was direct from William, but not so direct from before that.
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
Just as I thought, The Normans have been the enemy within. [Paranoid]
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
The Republic of England under the Cromwellian Commonwealth doesn't seem to get much of a mention these days, perhaps Charles III will revive the idea of a new Commonwealth and Republic.
 
Posted by malik3000 (# 11437) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fausto:
Canada would come in as way more than just one state. They have ten provinces, plus some territories. Even if Quebec opted out (which would be likely), there would be at least six or seven new blue states and the Senate would no longer be burdened with filibusters.

Would Alberta be a blue or a red state I wonder?
 
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :
 
Infrared.
 
Posted by Meg the Red (# 11838) on :
 
[Razz]
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
If you guys joined us, passing universal health care would be a cinch. Also you wouldn't have to worry about currency exchange when you invade Florida and Arizona in the winter. Another benefit would be that you would learn the correct rules for playing football [Razz]
 
Posted by ToujoursDan (# 10578) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by malik3000:
quote:
Originally posted by fausto:
Canada would come in as way more than just one state. They have ten provinces, plus some territories. Even if Quebec opted out (which would be likely), there would be at least six or seven new blue states and the Senate would no longer be burdened with filibusters.

Would Alberta be a blue or a red state I wonder?
Alberta is a blue (Conservative) province with a few orange (NDP) ridings in downtown Edmonton, but if you compared the policies (tho' not the rhetoric) of the Conservative Party with the major U.S. parties, they tend to lie in the mainstream to conservative Democrat range. They endorse Canadian Medicare (universal healthcare) though want to privatize parts of it; the Great Recession stimulus package wasn't as controversial as in the U.S.; they are against gay marriage but for civil unions and they generally stay away from the abortion debate. The only thing I can think of that could tip Alberta into the red (Republican) camp would be energy and environmental policy. Alberta is what it is mostly because of the oil sands. Once they deplete or were judged too dirty to use, it would be just another agricultural or cattle ranging state. So anything that is seen to be hostile to the Oil Sands (including any measure to move away from oil use) would be fiercely opposed. If Alberta was a U.S. state, it would probably be a solid blue (Democratic) or a blue leaning swing state with progressive tendencies like an Iowa or Wisconsin.

Also, it's important to remember that there are over a million francophones (French speakers) OUTSIDE Québec that enjoy official minority status in Canada today. French is an official language in New Brunswick and has official minority language status in Ontario and Manitoba. There are French speaking public institutions (public schools, cultural centres) throughout the country. The CBC/Radio-Canada has French language radio and TV stations from coast to coast to coast and French speakers legally should be able to walk into any federal government institution anywhere in the country and be addressed in French (a legacy of Trudeau). So even if Québec didn't join the U.S., there would still be issues of what to do about minority (French) language in a unified country. They aren't likely to just fade away and these people aren't likely to just passively cede their rights away.

The Canadian federal government also supports the linguistic and cultural identities of aboriginal people and the Inuit to a much, much greater degree than in the U.S. and they have far more visibility. It's very difficult to envisage how those communities would enjoy the cultural support they currently have in a unified nation. Americans tend to expect minorities to assimilate to a [more-or-less] common American culture, where Canadians are far more comfortable with a far more diverse multiculturalism. I find it difficult to believe that U.S. taxpayers would fund minority language and cultural institutions to the degree that they are funded in Canada, and I think that these minority groups would lose out if the countries merged, particularly if Québec didn't join.
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
...you would learn the correct rules for playing football [Razz]

Soccer is what you call it, the rest of the world calls it football. Canadian rules football (what you call football) is slightly more easy to understand than your football.

And why should we go through the agony of passing universal health care, again? We've had it for nearly 50 years. AFAICS it is one major reason NOT to join with USA.
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
...and the NRA.
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
If you guys joined us, passing universal health care would be a cinch. Also you wouldn't have to worry about currency exchange when you invade Florida and Arizona in the winter. Another benefit would be that you would learn the correct rules for playing football [Razz]

Quit whining about health care. You got the Massachusetts Plan, aka the Auto Insurance Version of healthcare passed. Actually, under this plan Americans get better coverage for drugs than Canucks do.

Nobody cares about the exchange anymore since the Loonie hit par and has stuck there.

Besides, I prefer a three-down passing game instead of a four-down running game.
 
Posted by Horseman Bree (# 5290) on :
 
Why would anyone watch (or play) a game that has about 30 seconds of action followed by several minutes of milling around, with announcers trying to find something to say?

If you want "down time", watch cricket or baseball; if you want action, watch real football (soccer, if you must). Even curling has more going on than NFL/CFL stuff.
 
Posted by ToujoursDan (# 10578) on :
 
The best balance between action and the release of an actual score is still found in Aussie rules and rugby. Soccer football gives me blue balls.
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Horseman Bree:
Why would anyone watch (or play) a game that has about 30 seconds of action followed by several minutes of milling around, with announcers trying to find something to say?

If you want "down time", watch cricket or baseball; if you want action, watch real football (soccer, if you must). Even curling has more going on than NFL/CFL stuff.

Hey, lay off baseball [Mad] I played it all my life, even getting a College scholarship. I don't care if itsn't fun to watch, it's great fun to play. Anyway Basketball and soccer are for folks with attention deficit disorder. [Biased]
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
People of Colour then?
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
People of Colour then?

No! My friends of "color" are baseball and fooball fans. [Razz] Let's not take this conversation down to Hell. I hope you're not playing the racist card. My black/brown/asian friends agree with white me that hockey is boring.

[ 04. October 2010, 18:40: Message edited by: Christian Agnostic ]
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
For those States who wished to join the Kingdom of Canada, get used to an earlier Thanksgiving.
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
Or Boxing Day. Two days off at Christmas is nice.

I worked at a Call Centre for a while that took American calls. We had to work an American schedule.

It sucked.
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
Sober, dead right. The irony is that the US is the most religous country in the West, but doesn't give its citizens the time off to celebrate their faith. Perhaps their real god is mammon.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by les@BALM:
For those States who wished to join the Kingdom of Canada, get used to an earlier Thanksgiving.

Why not have two Thanksgivings? [Biased]
 
Posted by daviddrinkell (# 8854) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
quote:
Originally posted by les@BALM:
For those States who wished to join the Kingdom of Canada, get used to an earlier Thanksgiving.

Why not have two Thanksgivings? [Biased]
Hmmm - not sure my digestion would stand it.....
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
Cranberry Sauce a little hard on you, David?
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
The thought of three holidays where one is forced to eat turkey if in company makes me [Projectile] Not to mention if marshmallowed yams ever got imported.

Perhaps this is David meant.
 
Posted by Silver Faux (# 8783) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
The thought of three holidays where one is forced to eat turkey if in company makes me [Projectile] Not to mention if marshmallowed yams ever got imported.

Perhaps this is David meant.

So eat roast goose at Christmas, and freshly killed pheasants which have peeled off certain Shipmates' windows for American Thanksgiving.

Easy-peasy, PeteC.

[ 12. October 2010, 21:00: Message edited by: Silver Faux ]
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
The thought of three holidays where one is forced to eat turkey if in company makes me [Projectile] Not to mention if marshmallowed yams ever got imported.

Perhaps this is David meant.

What do you have against Turkey, the Bird of Heaven?
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
I wonder if it had become the symbol of the US, would it have been illegal to eat it?
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
quote:
Originally posted by les@BALM:
For those States who wished to join the Kingdom of Canada, get used to an earlier Thanksgiving.

Why not have two Thanksgivings? [Biased]
Sure!! Since ours is on a Sunday, you can still watch football!

[ 13. October 2010, 11:53: Message edited by: sharkshooter ]
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
For one of the Thangsgivings you could have a turducken for a change of pace,

much shortened link to a turducken

[ 13. October 2010, 12:36: Message edited by: Firenze ]
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
The nearest thing to a real turkey dinner for most Americans is a McChicken Value Meal Combo [Eek!]
 
Posted by Silver Faux (# 8783) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
quote:
Originally posted by les@BALM:
For those States who wished to join the Kingdom of Canada, get used to an earlier Thanksgiving.

Why not have two Thanksgivings? [Biased]
Sure!! Since ours is on a Sunday, you can still watch football!
Actually, I'm pretty sure ours is on Monday Sharkshooter.
That's the day Wally the Worker gets statutory holiday pay for, anyhow.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Silver Faux:
...Actually, I'm pretty sure ours is on Monday Sharkshooter.
That's the day Wally the Worker gets statutory holiday pay for, anyhow.

We always celebrate it (including ht eturkey) on Sunday. Even if you do that on Monday, there is still football in the evening.
 
Posted by Saul the Apostle (# 13808) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
Hordes of Right-wingnut Republican Barbarians are at the gates. We are DOOMED! Please join the U.S. You would be the largest state in land mass, but more importantly, the 2nd largest (after California) in population. Please help us, the fate of western civilization lies in your hands [Help] [Help] [Help]

Having just returned from a 3 week holiday in BC and Alberta walking across the Canadian Rockies in fact............Christian Agnostic get your little pig trotters off a noble land.

Leave Canada to the Canadians....and Moose, and forests, and coyotes, and bear and well errrr nature.

One question, could George W. Bush have ever come from Canada?

Anyway you mention California, so you've got The Terminator, as Governor of the state, maybe he could sort out those pesky folk in the Republican party you don't like?

I rest my case

Saul [Devil]
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
They're coming to town today. I'm tempted to head down and watch. [Two face]

I wouldn't be!
[Projectile]
Oh, to be in England!
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Saul the Apostle:
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
Hordes of Right-wingnut Republican Barbarians are at the gates. We are DOOMED! Please join the U.S. You would be the largest state in land mass, but more importantly, the 2nd largest (after California) in population. Please help us, the fate of western civilization lies in your hands [Help] [Help] [Help]

Having just returned from a 3 week holiday in BC and Alberta walking across the Canadian Rockies in fact............Christian Agnostic get your little pig trotters off a noble land.

Leave Canada to the Canadians....and Moose, and forests, and coyotes, and bear and well errrr nature.

One question, could George W. Bush have ever come from Canada?

Anyway you mention California, so you've got The Terminator, as Governor of the state, maybe he could sort out those pesky folk in the Republican party you don't like?

I rest my case

Saul [Devil]

Perhaps Christian Agnositc should apply for residency in Canada, to live in a sane society.
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
For one of the Thangsgivings you could have a turducken for a change of pace,

much shortened link to a turducken

They have been known to cause food poisoning due to the layering of different meats and consequent undercooking of the inner meat.

They are a holiday menace second only to home deep fryers for danger.
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
quote:
Originally posted by les@BALM:
For those States who wished to join the Kingdom of Canada, get used to an earlier Thanksgiving.

Why not have two Thanksgivings? [Biased]
Since we are bi-national, we have always had two. I always try to add some "Canadian content" to the October holiday, which usually amounts to simply adding a smoked salmon appetizer and some maple syrup to the yams. If I'm really industrious I might add some Nanaimo bars to the desert options.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
For one of the Thangsgivings you could have a turducken for a change of pace,

much shortened link to a turducken

They have been known to cause food poisoning due to the layering of different meats and consequent undercooking of the inner meat.

They are a holiday menace second only to home deep fryers for danger.

Perhaps you should deep-fry the turducken?

I have had deep-fried turkey before. It is awesome!!
 
Posted by LA Dave (# 1397) on :
 
Hmmmm . . . .

Tim Horton's; Thanksgiving in October; the CBC;

Chili's; Thanksgiving in November; Fox;

Three Downs;

Four Downs;

Well, I was OK with this until we got to football.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LA Dave:
...
Three Downs;
...

Well, I was OK with this until we got to football.

Some of us just call it "Run, Pass, Punt" and flip to the NFL.
 
Posted by fausto (# 13737) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by LA Dave:
...
Three Downs;
...

Well, I was OK with this until we got to football.

Some of us just call it "Run, Pass, Punt" and flip to the NFL.
I have a sneaking suspicion that if we Yanks played our cards right in the negotiations, the Canucks would be pretty quick to concede to a demand for an extra down. Not only would it make their own football a lot more interesting, but also it would make it less likely they would ever be under any pressure to annex Texas the way we had to.
 
Posted by PaulBC (# 13712) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by les@BALM:
quote:
Originally posted by Campbellite:
If/When Charlie ascends the throne, IIRC, he may choose any of his Christian names as his Throne name. It is possible that he could be King Arthur.

My money says he will choose to be King George VI, assuming he outlives mummy.

King George VI died in 1952, so he would become George VII, though Charles III is more likely.
Probably Charles III [Smile] [Angel]
 
Posted by PaulBC (# 13712) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
Would the members of GOP, NRA and Westboro Baptist Church all fit on Ellesmere Island?

Sorry I wouldn't want to inflict them on the locals well maybe WBC who will turn on each ither in mind winter darkness.
 
Posted by Horseman Bree (# 5290) on :
 
They (WBC) could also be put on one of the remaining ice floes, which would then melt, solving the problem.

[ 16. October 2010, 11:28: Message edited by: Horseman Bree ]
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:

Since we are bi-national, we have always had two. I always try to add some "Canadian content" to the October holiday..... If I'm really industrious I might add some Nanaimo bars to the desert options.


My wife's Gram was a Canuck from B.C. and she made wonderful Nanaimo bars [Overused] . These might be the best things to come out of Canada! [Razz]
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
they are at that (sigh). Sadly, hubby (the Canadian half of our bi-national family) was out of the country on 10/11 this year, so I didn't get to them. : (
 
Posted by fausto (# 13737) on :
 
In my wife's Canadian family, the Nanaimo bars have a mint creme filling and come out the week before Christmas, along with the thimble cookies, date squares and gingerbread.

However, my wife insists that the best thing to come out of Canada is butter tarts.
 
Posted by ToujoursDan (# 10578) on :
 
Coffee Crisps are quite good too.

I was excited when they made an appearance in New York, but then gutted that they (like most American candy) are made with high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar (Damn you U.S. corn lobby!).

[Waterworks]

Still you can find the "real" ones at some of the British shops.

[ 16. October 2010, 18:32: Message edited by: ToujoursDan ]
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fausto:
In my wife's Canadian family, the Nanaimo bars have a mint creme filling.

Brilliant! I may have to steal that notion...
 
Posted by Graven Image (# 8755) on :
 
Yummy
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ToujoursDan:
Coffee Crisps are quite good too.

I was excited when they made an appearance in New York, but then gutted that they (like most American candy) are made with high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar (Damn you U.S. corn lobby!).

[Waterworks]

Still you can find the "real" ones at some of the British shops.

It's not the corn lobby, it's the sugar lobby. The US levies heavy sugar tariffs to protect its sugar producers which drive up the price. Canada doesn't produce much sugar and happily imports cane to supplement our domestic sugar beet production.

Though it's really academic for me, I'm diabetic and thus Aspartame is the sweetener of Heaven for me.
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
Trust me, it's the corn lobby.
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
34% of US overall food subsidies:

scroll down for chart comparing US subsidies
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Saul the Apostle:

Having just returned from a 3 week holiday in BC and Alberta walking across the Canadian Rockies in fact............Christian Agnostic get your little pig trotters off a noble land.

One question, could George W. Bush have ever come from Canada?


Saul [Devil]

Saul,
Well, if Texas had seceded and became a Canadian Province. [Ultra confused] [Two face]
BTW, you're a lucky man, I LOVE the Canadian Rockies. [Yipee]
 
Posted by Christian Agnostic (# 14912) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Saul the Apostle:

One question, could George W. Bush have ever come from Canada?


Saul [Devil]

Saul,
On further reflection, maybe the same place Stephen Harp(ing)er came from. [Biased]
 
Posted by les@BALM (# 11237) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
quote:
Originally posted by Saul the Apostle:

One question, could George W. Bush have ever come from Canada?


Saul [Devil]

Saul,
On further reflection, maybe the same place Stephen Harp(ing)er came from. [Biased]

Even in Harperland there is still Medicare, and Rick Mercer [Razz]
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
quote:
Originally posted by Saul the Apostle:

One question, could George W. Bush have ever come from Canada?


Saul [Devil]

Saul,
On further reflection, maybe the same place Stephen Harp(ing)er came from. [Biased]

Toronto?
 
Posted by ToujoursDan (# 10578) on :
 
<shrugs>

GW Bush is from New Haven Connecticut, so that isn't all that different than Toronto.
 


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