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Golden Key
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Re restroom doors:
Sometimes, there's no *outer* door to the restroom. Have found that mostly at parks and state-owned rest stops. Some are designed that way, and others are simply missing a door that was there.
I've run into that kind of purposeful doorless design other places--multiplex theater, IIRC. Generally, the walls of the entry curve around, so you can't actually see anything unless you go in.
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Brenda Clough
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That is often the case in airports as well. It's for the convenience not only of handicapped persons, but of persons towing rolling suitcases.
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Lamb Chopped
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quote: Originally posted by lilBuddha: quote: Originally posted by Pigwidgeon: The only place I've seen doorless stalls in public women's rooms in the U.S. is on Waikiki Beach many years ago (don't know if they still have them). I assume the doors were removed because of illegal activity, but using one while wearing a one-piece swimsuit is horrid.
Decision made by men, I assume. Those I encountered were mostly in the desert South-west at remote, low visitor tourist sites so one is spared that level of indignity at least.
They have them in St. Louis city parks. All the women I know would rather dehydrate in the sun than use them.
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Ian Climacus
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At CPAC:
quote: Trump told the country’s biggest annual gathering of conservative activists that he would crush the Islamic State, deport criminals, crack down on welfare, overhaul healthcare and put miners back to work.
We seem to have a war on welfare here, while they want to give large businesses, some of whom pay little or no tax, tax cuts. But stuff the poor...stuff those struggling due to circumstances outside their control...stuff those mentally or physically ill...
Bloody politicians should have to live on benefits for a month and see how they go.
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Stercus Tauri
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quote: Originally posted by Brenda Clough: That is often the case in airports as well. It's for the convenience not only of handicapped persons, but of persons towing rolling suitcases.
It's good for hygiene, too. A lot of people zip it up and then leave without washing their hands. I hate having to touch outside doors in those places.
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The trump* quotes painted on the bodies in this link are NSFW, and not safe for any civilized human being. Disgusting. The bodies on which they are painted are fine as far as I am concerned.
Re shaking trump's* hand. No. Don't do it.
*trump. gets a lower case t. low class, lower case.
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Brenda Clough
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I have a writer friend who runs a New Agey shop in Gloucestershire. I have urged her to set up an online service; there are plenty of Americans who would pay good money for a working from a bona fide witch.
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sabine
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I live close to a botanica. I could get a candle for "The Seven African Powers." Pretty sure they could withstand extreme vetting.
sabine
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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quote: Originally posted by Stercus Tauri: I hate having to touch outside doors in those places.
That's why God created elbows.
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe: quote: Originally posted by Stercus Tauri: I hate having to touch outside doors in those places.
That's why God created elbows.
So long as the doors open out. And don't have knob-shaped doorknobs.
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Wesley J
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But, alas and alack, a knob as PGiC.
Heaven help us.
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molopata
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quote: Originally posted by Bishops Finger: I Know This Is A Christian Website, but this sounds like a Good Idea (if only for letting off steam.....):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39090334
IJ
Sorry, to me it doesn't. Quite apart from any spiritual significance, I find it negative, divisive and counterproductive.
In the knowledge that many Christians have severe problems with sorcery, this is more designed to animate them to become protective of Trump rather than actually do any real harm to him.
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Jane R
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Ian Climacus: quote: Bloody politicians should have to live on benefits for a month and see how they go.
A month isn't long enough. Six months. Even that isn't really long enough to give them a real taste of what people on benefits have to go through, because the politician will have lots of rich friends to scrounge meals off, all his/her work-related travel paid for, plenty of clothes and shoes to wear, insurance policies up to date, new or nearly new kitchen appliances...
Bet they wouldn't be expected to pay the bedroom tax either. [ 27. February 2017, 09:28: Message edited by: Jane R ]
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chris stiles
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quote: Originally posted by Jane R: A month isn't long enough. Six months. Even that isn't really long enough to give them a real taste of what people on benefits have to go through, because the politician will have lots of rich friends to scrounge meals off, all his/her work-related travel paid for, plenty of clothes and shoes to wear, insurance policies up to date, new or nearly new kitchen appliances...
This is the basis of Iain Duncan Smith's claim to understand unemployment and poverty isn't it ?
He trots out the tales of a month or so on the dole, neglecting to mention that at the time he was living rent free in a house on his father in laws estate.
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Boogie
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quote: Originally posted by Jane R: Ian Climacus: quote: Bloody politicians should have to live on benefits for a month and see how they go.
A month isn't long enough. Six months. Even that isn't really long enough to give them a real taste of what people on benefits have to go through, because the politician will have lots of rich friends to scrounge meals off, all his/her work-related travel paid for, plenty of clothes and shoes to wear, insurance policies up to date, new or nearly new kitchen appliances...
Bet they wouldn't be expected to pay the bedroom tax either.
And, most importantly, they know there's an end to it. We can cope with most things if we are sure they are time limited.
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Jane R
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chris s: quote: This is the basis of Iain Duncan Smith's claim to understand unemployment and poverty isn't it ?
He trots out the tales of a month or so on the dole, neglecting to mention that at the time he was living rent free in a house on his father in laws estate.
Yup. Just like the tosser who made the news today, claiming that because he only needed a few pills to get over his anxiety disorder all the people who are signed off work with it are malingering and not really disabled.
Or Nigel Farrago, whining that he daren't put his nose out of doors because UKIP is being demonised. So, he can dish it out but he can't take it? Poor fragile flower. How fortunate for him that he is rich and can afford bodyguards.
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Brenda Clough
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The execrable and deservedly ex-politician Rick Santorum (Google his name for a bit of fun, but not at work!) announced the other day that Americans draw on their health insurance for fun and profit. Yes, there's nothing like deliberately getting diabetes or kidney disease and thoroughly enjoying the experience as you rake in the cash. I think a long bout of swollen prostate would do him good.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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The photo of the Statue of Liberty float should grace every postcard sent to the White House on March 15.
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Brenda Clough
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I've been routing postcards out of desk drawers, etc. for this purpose, so will not probably be able to make one with any particular image. However I do solicit advice on sentiments to write on the other side. I know people who are putting considerable effort into sonnets and so on. I think I may just write LIAR! in red sharpie.
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Pigwidgeon
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quote: Originally posted by la vie en rouge: Don't forget "Show us your taxes".
I've put that on several of mine.
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Stercus Tauri
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Somehow our e-mail address got on to a White House mailing list - they must think we are fans. We got a mass e-mailing yesterday asking us if we had any suggestions on how to make America great again, to help donald fart with his speech today. Oddly enough, we had quite a number of suggestions that I hope he will find useful, though we're not expecting a 'thank you' note for suggesting that a healthy and educated nation could be a great one. My recommendation to begin the impeachment proceedings as quickly as due process allows, was, I thought, a particularly helpful one. It's nice to be able to help a struggling leader when he asks.
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Barnabas62
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quote: Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
My recommendation to begin the impeachment proceedings as quickly as due process allows, was, I thought, a particularly helpful one. It's nice to be able to help a struggling leader when he asks.
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Pigwidgeon
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quote: Originally posted by Stercus Tauri: Somehow our e-mail address got on to a White House mailing list ...
Me too. I did not respond, but reported it as spam and blocked it. The next day the sane thing. It seems to be non-blockable.
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Brenda Clough
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Go down to the bottom of the email and see if there is an 'unsubscribe' link. If there is, use it -- it ought to work. I was actually able to unsubscribe from Trump campaign mailings, which list I accidentally got onto when I went and voted for Marco Rubio in the GOP primary in my state. (It is an open primary, so any voter can roll in and vote -- my son told me that this would stop Trump. Alas...)
Oh, and the POST humor columnist discusses Lyin' Donald's speech last night. The money quote: "Yup, Donald Trump spoke to Congress, and he did not bite a live bat in half." Everyone in DC is delighted. [ 01. March 2017, 14:29: Message edited by: Brenda Clough ]
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The Riv
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Watched the speech last night. Interesting and not a little obvious when Trump tried to flex off script. He can't not embellish, and it's still odd to hear. Maybe he'll get out of campaign mode soon. Hated his remarks to the fallen Navy SEAL's widow. Sheesh.
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sabine
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quote: Originally posted by The Riv: Hated his remarks to the fallen Navy SEAL's widow. Sheesh.
Smarmy is my word for those remarks. He took advantage of her while at the same time throwing "the generals" under the bus.
sabine
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quote: Originally posted by The Riv: He can't not embellish, and it's still odd to hear. Maybe he'll get out of campaign mode soon.
I don't think it is campaign mode. It is full-of-himself mode.
"It will not out of the fleshe, that's bred in the bone"*. The guy can't not show that he is what he is: "treat them like shit", "young and beautiful piece of ass", "grab them by the pussy", "must be a pretty picture you dropping to your knees", "blood coming out of her whatever".
Just read "USA" for "them", "her" and "your's". and read again with "the world".
*quote from John Heywood, 1546.
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The Riv
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I mean, this bit: "And Ryan is looking down right now. You know that. And he’s very happy, because I think he just broke a record."
1. Trump knows there's a heaven & it's located beyond the sky.
2. Trump knows what the soul of Navy SEAL William "Ryan" Owens is doing *in* heaven -- nothing at all otherworldly -- just looking at Trump's talking party.
3. Trump knows that Ryan's widow knows that, too.
4. Trump knows that Wm. Owens is happy -- happy -- not b/c he's *in* heaven, but b/c the people who attended Trump's talking party clapped for Owens' visibly grieving widow for 4 min. Happy?! For applause?! I just can't even.
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Brenda Clough
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I can't tolerate the sound of the man's voice. And I have to download that app, that swaps out his image in everything and replaces it with a picture of a kitten.
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Stercus Tauri
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quote: Originally posted by molopata: quote: Originally posted by Brenda Clough: Oh, and the POST humor columnist discusses Lyin' Donald's speech last night. The money quote: "Yup, Donald Trump spoke to Congress, and he did not bite a live bat in half." Everyone in DC is delighted.
Good call.
Meanwhile, this could/should have been your president:
Bernie Sanders takes the wrecking ball to DT's "speech" and says what Trump should have said.
...and he does it in 15 minutes. Eloquent. Measured. Coherent. Compelling.
I was thinking the other day that if God looked like a human, he would be old, grumpy, immovable, right, and behind it all, compassionate. A lot like Bernie, in fact.
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Trump Sons Detained At Vancouver Airport Due To Alleged Ties With Fascist Dictator. "The Trump boys, who have followed in their family’s rich tradition of leeching off their father,"
Okay it's humour. But!
No local politician would show up for the opening of their hotel.
quote: Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump are in police custody at YVR airport this evening, after alleged ties to a fascist dictator surfaced during routine questioning.
The two sons of a former American billionaire, had flown to the pacific northwest for the unveiling of the new Trump tower in Downtown Vancouver.
There is another headline "Pope urges trumpf to give up presidency for Lent", which you may also read.
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Places the BBC is currently prevented from reporting from by governmental action:
a) Zimbabwe b) The White House
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(c) North Korea
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balaam
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quote: Originally posted by Matt Black: (c) North Korea
I wonder who Kim Il-trump will ban next.
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Stercus Tauri
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It appears that donald fart believes that anti-semitic atrocities are really a way for his enemies to get at him. Lord, how much longer must we tolerate this pathetically paranoid weakling?
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by balaam: quote: Originally posted by Matt Black: (c) North Korea
I wonder who Kim Il-trump will ban next.
Or bump off.
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Soror Magna
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quote: Originally posted by The Riv: .... I just can't even.
Apparently on teh intrawebz, reactions were neatly divided between those who have a direct connection to the armed forces and those who don't. I'm proud to say despite not being military or sentimental about the military, I was APPALLLED. He actually said, "They lost Ryan." I heard someone try to spin that as Drumpf saying the SEALS felt they lost one of their own, not Drumpf ducking responsibility. Even if that was what he meant (in between blaming Obama and the generals), there's no excuse for such poor phrasing in his most important speech to date.
And if The Riv and I agree, we must both be right.
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Golden Key
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T was wrong to say/do what he did. However, a small bit of good may have come of it: the soldier's wife looked like it was a much-needed catharsis, based on the changes in her face during the applause.
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quote: Originally posted by Brenda Clough: This is a good (and free) of the Russian shenanigans to date.
We've heard that there are now more Russians in the White House than play for the Washington Capitals*.
(*NHL, National Hockey League)
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lilBuddha
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Another Cheeto appointee says something stupid.* Ben Carson, living refutation that a brain surgeon need not be able to use his own, calls slaves "immigrants". Sam Jackson's response mirrored my own reaction. quote: OK!! Ben Carson....I can't! Immigrants ? In the bottom of SLAVE SHIPS??!! MUTHAFUKKA PLEASE!!!#dickheadedtom
*Yeah, I know. [ 08. March 2017, 01:13: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]
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This video link is a short piece from 08 Mar 2017 CBC "The National". It asks if trump believes his untruths and documents some of them. It also asks about the media not labelling untruths.
I was greatly struck with the discussion of trumpy's speech to the USA Congress which was characterised as positive, "a game changer", "presidential" and other such silliness. The National focusses on several of these, the one I recall is that trump said there were 94 million Americans unemployed, which is sort of true, but only if you include retired people, full time students and several groups which have no intent to work at all. If only those who are truely unemployed and looking for work are included, the number is 9.5 million.
They also played video, with dates, of trumpy sometimes say "don't know Putin, never talked to him", which are interspersed with him saying "I have a relationship with Putin". What is true one day is false the next.
Can anyone tell us how it is that this man doesn't get completely skewered for his falsehoods? I just don't get it.
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quote: Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...: This video link is a short piece from 08 Mar 2017 CBC "The National". It asks if trump believes his untruths and documents some of them. It also asks about the media not labelling untruths.
I was greatly struck with the discussion of trumpy's speech to the USA Congress which was characterised as positive, "a game changer", "presidential" and other such silliness. The National focusses on several of these, the one I recall is that trump said there were 94 million Americans unemployed, which is sort of true, but only if you include retired people, full time students and several groups which have no intent to work at all. If only those who are truely unemployed and looking for work are included, the number is 9.5 million.
They also played video, with dates, of trumpy sometimes say "don't know Putin, never talked to him", which are interspersed with him saying "I have a relationship with Putin". What is true one day is false the next.
Can anyone tell us how it is that this man doesn't get completely skewered for his falsehoods? I just don't get it.
He IS repeatedly skewered for his falsehoods-- daily, and in multiple venues. A whole more-than-cottage industry of fact checkers has arisen. The problem is, neither he nor his followers seem to care. And to some degree the repeated infractions only undermine the discussion-- people have heard it so many times they have started tuning out the issue of his fabrications.
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Then the problem is why enough Americans don't think the truth is an issue. Not being an American and not being immersed in the culture, it boggles.
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lilBuddha
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quote: Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...: Then the problem is why enough Americans don't think the truth is an issue. Not being an American and not being immersed in the culture, it boggles.
Truth, like any other value humans have, will have variable weight depending on the context. This is true in Canada as well as the US. And UK for that matter. There is also the fatigue factor that I do not think Canadians are any different to. Add in that many people seem to accept any number of flaws if it advances particular agenda of their own.
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