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Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Holy fuckeroovey, batboy.

*Checks*

No apparently it's not April 1.

I'm thinking What Would Jesus Say? I'm hoping it would be too fruity for a Christian website. Of their sort, that is, not the Ship's.

Because I reckon Jesus would say something like "listen, you fucking dickfloggers, get your distortion of good news out of your arses and start listening to my words and looking at my actions. 'cause yeah, I told anyone with difficulties to fuck off. Sure I did."

I'm just a wee tad angry about this sort of fuckwittery in the name of Jesus.
 

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Posted by Gee D (# 13815) on :
 
This has been picked up by the ABC, who call the church a national Christian group!
 

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Posted by Huia (# 3473) on :
 
Holy crap. What next? Only people with brown eyes? Or adults over 5 ft 8"? Or those born in a month with an 'r' in it? I think this verges on blasphemy.

Any of our Aussie Shipmates care to Mystery Worship these drongos?

Huia
 

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Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
According to this articale from ABC, the NZ Herald doesn't have it quite right.
They are still very fucked up, just not quite as much as the first article states.
 

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Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
Good friggin' grief! Have they never read the gospels???

I've never been completely comfortable with the whole Mystery Worship thing; but, in this case...GO FOR IT!!

Pity I can't do it, being far away. I have disabilities, mostly of the invisible kind, so they might say things in front of me that they (hopefully!) wouldn't in front of someone visibly disabled.

And, if they turned out to be as stated, I'd be sorely tempted to pull a prank or three.
 

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Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on :
 
Perhaps they need to start at the very top of their leadership team.
 

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Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
Yes. My thought was: be careful what you wish for.
 

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Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
You do a serious disservice to people with mental disabilities when you include bigoted morons such as these in that category.
 

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Posted by mark_in_manchester (# 15978) on :
 
Sounds like they have an OT perspective on excluding the disabled from the temple. When did Christianity make big changes there - perhaps it was early, thinking of Peter's vision of unclean foods, the Tower of Siloam story, etc - or perhaps not? I can just about remember a 'put them aside somewhere and pretend they're not there' attitude which ISTM was more common in wider society when I was small (1970s UK), though there were several members of my MOTR church back then who we knew we were meant to 'be kind' to - not that we really were, kids being evil bastards.
 

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Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 

1. They're talking about people being in leadership roles in a service, not being part of the congregation.
2. They're talking specifically about people who uncontrollably exhibit behaviours that are incompatible with the ethos of the church in question (their example being that they would want to exclude from public ministry someone who would uncontrollably repeat swear words throughout a sermon they were preaching).

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:


If someone with a mental disease that caused them to call everyone they met a cocksucking whore applied to be the next priest at your church, then how would you feel about it?

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
You do a serious disservice to people with mental disabilities when you include bigoted morons such as these in that category.

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Originally posted by simontoad:
I'm sure you temporarily forgot that 'morons' began as a category of people with an intellectual disability, became a slur against all people with a disability before broadening out as a general term of abuse.

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I believe people with an intellectual disability and those with a mental illness have the right to be bigoted, foolish and to take risks. I just added the last because I like threes, although its possibly both the most important of the three listed, and the least relevant. The point is, they have the right to be human, and to make silly mistakes.

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I agree. But the implication seemed to be, to me, that the church took its position because of mental illness. Apologies if I read incorrectly.

¹Took the effort to make the explanation in threes.

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I don't know enough about them to speculate on whether they would use such an exemption to exclude people with non-disruptive disabilities as well, but nothing they've said in the two articles linked to date points that way so far as I can see.

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

1. They're talking about people being in leadership roles in a service, not being part of the congregation.
2. They're talking specifically about people who uncontrollably exhibit behaviours that are incompatible with the ethos of the church in question (their example being that they would want to exclude from public ministry someone who would uncontrollably repeat swear words throughout a sermon they were preaching).

If someone with a mental disease that caused them to call everyone they met a cocksucking whore applied to be the next priest at your church, then how would you feel about it?

This group does not seem to me to be saying that everyone with a mental illness is like that. They're just saying that in order to refuse to hire the ones who are, they need an exemption from the legislation. I don't know enough about them to speculate on whether they would use such an exemption to exclude people with non-disruptive disabilities as well, but nothing they've said in the two articles linked to date points that way so far as I can see.

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Originally posted by Ethne Alba:

This church has not got as far as women in leadership yet though, so i'm not holding my breath.....

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

This group does not seem to me to be saying that everyone with a mental illness is like that. They're just saying that in order to refuse to hire the ones who are, they need an exemption from the legislation.

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But they don't. If someone has the rather unlikely affliction of calling everyone he meets a "cocksucking whore", and his affliction cannot be managed, there is no reasonable accommodation that can be made to place him in a public-facing role.

You can put him in a back-office job, because you can teach your other staff members that that's just a thing that Billy does, but you can't explain that to random punters.

Almost all disabilities are not like that, of course.

[ 13. June 2017, 19:54: Message edited by: Leorning Cniht ]
 

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Posted by Ethne Alba (# 5804) on :
 
Lil Buddha....ok.....point taken.....


Put it another way....there are no women on their leadership team.

[ 13. June 2017, 20:03: Message edited by: Ethne Alba ]
 

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Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :
 

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
If someone with a mental disease that caused them to call everyone they met a cocksucking whore applied to be the next priest at your church, then how would you feel about it?

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Originally posted by Ethne Alba:
Lil Buddha....ok.....point taken.....


Put it another way....there are no women on their leadership team.

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Originally posted by Ethne Alba:
There is something behind all this.
Something that is not being spoken of.

And until That is out in the light, it just all sounds bonkers.
Then again, i think that it may all sound bonkers even once light is shed!

This church has not got as far as women in leadership yet though, so i'm not holding my breath.....

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