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Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
Critics and other media have to cover films and they must do in close proximity to the realise date. What they do not need to do is put spoilers in the FUCKING TITLE of the article or in the teaser text accompanying the article.
Fuck all you who do so to the deepest hell possible, probable or dreamed of.

And a spoiler isn't just 'She was a he' or 'he was dead'. Suggesting a twist or revealing a film affected you emotionally can be enough to change the experience of those who have not yet seen a film.

Dumb fuckers
 
Posted by Sipech (# 16870) on :
 
Any specific cases of this you wish to cite?
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sipech:
Any specific cases of this you wish to cite?
Nearly every FUCKING Last Jedi article I have seen the title of.
A thought just occurred: Some arse or idiot is bound to do so within the context of this thread, so I am going to have to absent myself from it until after I view the film.
 
Posted by Og, King of Bashan (# 9562) on :
 
It's not just the critics- I've had major plot twists spoiled by click-bait links. Although at least once (Stranger Things season 2) the click-bait headline actually sent me off in a totally wrong direction.

I was once reading a review of a mystery novel I was about to read, and the oh-so-smart critic docked points because, to paraphrase, the ending had already been done by Agatha Christie in the ABC Murders, so it was kind of derivative. Thanks, fucko!

(Although given that I have managed to find the time see exactly one movie in the theater in the three years that my daughter has been on this earth, I've just resigned myself to the fact that I'm probably going to know what happens at the end of Last Jedi way before I eventually get the library's copy to watch at home nine months from now. Ironically, the movie that I did manage to see was the new Murder on the Orient Express, where I had nothing to fear from spoilers, given the number of times I have read or watched other versions of that one.)
 
Posted by jacobsen (# 14998) on :
 
Is surprise so important? Think how many Jane Austen productions we have seen. "Pride and Prejudice" - at least five film/TV versions. And each one of interest. Variations in casting, in the way the characters are played - there's no end to the fascination.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
If spoilers are that big a deal, either go on opening night, or avoid all media until you go. This seems like a total no-brainer.
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
hear hear jacobsen. Star Wars plot twists are straight out of Dallas.
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
apparently its a shit film LB. Save your pennies for something with class.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
I hear you, lB. I've been diligently avoiding most Star Wars mentions for months, allowing for an occasional Mark Hamill appearance on a late-night talk show. He's seasoned enough that he's unlikely to give anything away. Radio mentions are harder to avoid, because they don't necessarily give a spoilers warning, or even a second's pause after the first sentence. Hard to avoid, if your radio isn't easily within reach. Hands over ears and and "la la la" time.

What's worst for me lately are the clever, but insidious, ways this SW film is woven into the ads of a certain car company. Started subtly, with cars information. Fine. But the ads gradually got much more obvious, with possible/probable plot points. When one comes on, I either close my eyes and try not to listen, or change the channel.

Even someone from the film said, a few months' back, that there are spoilers in the trailer. Grrrrr. That's very common in trailers, though. Even film critic Roger Ebert said so.

Sometimes, trailers that advertise the film has a Secret (tm) are the worst. There was one anonymous film I had no interest in. It seemed pretty clearly what the secret likely was. I didn't go see it. But when it was finally on TV, I caught the last few minutes to check it out, and I was right. I eventually watched the whole thing. Not bad, but not something I really want to re-watch.

I avoid reviews until *after* I've seen a film, unless for "I doubt I want to see it, but..." films. Mostly the same for books. Especially on NPR. Grrr. Some of them seem to think it's ok to remove all but the last sheer veil from the book.

Some people loathe spoilers (me), other people want them. Sometimes, they have a hard time understanding each other.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
jacobsen--

quote:
Originally posted by jacobsen:
Is surprise so important? Think how many Jane Austen productions we have seen. "Pride and Prejudice" - at least five film/TV versions. And each one of interest. Variations in casting, in the way the characters are played - there's no end to the fascination.
And if PP had just been created and released for the first time? No previous book? And you'd enjoyed Austen's previous works so much that you were desperately waiting for this one?

Don't know if you're a Star Wars fan, so you may not know. This isn't from a book. This is brand new.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
What's worst for me lately are the clever, but insidious, ways this SW film is woven into the ads of a certain car company. Started subtly, with cars information.
Whoops. That should be "cars in formation".
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
As I was a marijuana smoker for about 20 years, the whole idea of spoilers is irrelevant for me. My short term memory is rooted. I can't even remember what I had for breakfast. Also, I don't listen because I am usually away with my thoughts and so it takes me a while to realise that someone is attempting to communicate with me. Finally, as I mostly watch the ABC, where there are no commercials, spoilers in ads is just not relevant. If my wife wishes to watch some stupid thing on commercial television, like "OMG I forgot my Trousers", or "Inspector Pugh and the case of the Roiling Rills", she mutes the ads using our remote control device.

Actually, how do you watch those blockbusters without knowing what happens? Aren't they all the same, more or less? Isn't the thrill these days in seeing something beautiful and awful on a massive screen? How is that spoilt by knowing a particular detail of the rudimentary and recycled plot?

One way to avoid spoilers might be to see films which are not to the taste of the general public. I saw a beautiful film in the 1990's called Orlando, with Tilda Swinton in the title role. Another beautiful film was Babette's Feast, a very plain, even stark film telling a simple story. My favorite film, and a story elegantly told, is Persuasion, a film of the Jane Austen book. I always cry during the last 10 minutes or so of the film precisely because I know what's coming. You are extremely unlikely to see anything about any of those films in the popular press.

My advice then, and I give this advice in the most firm way I can, is to give up giving a stuff about Star Wars or any other popular film whether you don't mind spoilers or not. By all means see the film. I probably will myself so I can continue my long term campaign to guilt one of my nephews into looking after me in my old age, but I won't give a stuff about it.

Please, take my advice. Giving a stuff only leads to anguish.
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by Sipech:
Any specific cases of this you wish to cite?
Nearly every FUCKING Last Jedi article I have seen the title of.
A thought just occurred: Some arse or idiot is bound to do so within the context of this thread, so I am going to have to absent myself from it until after I view the film.
Not from me you won’t. I don’t go to the cinema so by the time I see a film it’s properly old.

But, I must say, I wouldn’t expect too much in the way of polite holding back in Hell
[Razz]
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
I seemed to manage to avoid TLJ spoilers before going to see it on Sunday. It wasn't even difficult.

If you're that bothered about seeing a movie without knowing what will happen, you should book to see it on the first weekend. The longer you leave it, the less sympathy I have for you.
 
Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :
 
I have not seen the film.

I have not read the reviews.

But with SW VII they are moving on to a new generation of heroes and villains. So the problem is what to do with the old stars. So we had the death of Solo (Which was plotted then cut from SW VI).

So with one actor sadly gone (writing out Leia Organa is no spoiler) we are left with Luke Skywalker. If something dramatically shocking does not happen to Skywalker in this episode (which is not the same as the simple Solo death) which will get rid of the character or minimise the role, then I do not understand the franchise.

This is not a spoiler, I have not read the reviews or seen the movie. Something must happen to Skywalker, if not in this film then in SW IX. If it does it is not a spoiler as it is so bleeding obvious.

I really hope the spoiler is something else, something that is actually unexpected.

If I'm right, then you are complaining about the revelation of the obvious, engage brain before posting. Also if I'm right don't tell me, because that would then be an actual spoiler.
 
Posted by Og, King of Bashan (# 9562) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I seemed to manage to avoid TLJ spoilers before going to see it on Sunday. It wasn't even difficult.

If you're that bothered about seeing a movie without knowing what will happen, you should book to see it on the first weekend. The longer you leave it, the less sympathy I have for you.
I remember reading a discussion a few years back about how long a movie needs to be out before people lose the right to complain about unintentional spoilers.* At some point, big plot twists become cultural touchstones (“I am your father!”), and someone really can’t be that mad if you inadvertently slip. I don’t think a specific expiration date was established. But surely four days is too short.

Now if you know you are going to be hanging around with people who will want to discuss a movie or TV show the day after it airs, maybe you have a duty to either watch on time or leave the room when the discussion happens.

But I do think that treating spoilers from a movie that came out a few days ago as common knowledge is a bit rude. Maybe I was swamped with work and family stuff all weekend. I guess a lot of people are excited about the movie and must discuss it now. But there are ways to do that without spoiling it for the blameless who have not seen the movie in the first few days.

(Kudos to the folks who set up the heaven Last Jedi thread, btw- I seem to remember a fuss two years ago when the Force Awakens thread contained a spoiler in the preview line!)

*It’s always bad form to intentionally spoil a plot twist for someone who genuinely doesn’t know and doesn’t want to know, no matter how well known. e.g., if you know I’m reading Pride and Prejudice for the first time, don’t just blurt out the ending
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
The Mousetrap even after sixty five years remains largely spoiler free.

“Much of the success of The Mousetrap’s longevity comes from the tradition of audience members promising to keep the secret of whodunit alive. Even today, at the end of the show, cast members ask the audience to not tell anyone who the killer is – it’s a practice that’s been a part of the show for decades, and ensures that the majority of audiences who see the show for the first time are doing it spoiler-free.”

Which proves it can be done!
 
Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
The Mousetrap even after sixty five years remains largely spoiler free.
Some people have seen it more than once, do they forget between shows? The audience goes into the Mousetrap largely knowing whodunnit, I have known for over 40 years. Its the plot twists to get there that keeps them intrigued before it is revealed that ....
 
Posted by Og, King of Bashan (# 9562) on :
 
From the Moustrap review:

quote:
Even in today’s spoiler-laden modernity, there’s something wonderful about watching anything – television, movies and, especially, live theatre – when you’ve no idea on where it’s going or what’s going to happen next.
That's all we're after here- a chance to experience the surprise that made you so desperate to talk to anyone about the movie you just saw.
 
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on :
 
I always read a play before attending a performance of it. it enhances my experience.
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
I always perform a cavity search before engaging in sexual intercourse. It enhances my experience.
 
Posted by jacobsen (# 14998) on :
 
Your teeth or hers?
 
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on :
 
Should I take that under advisement, Rook? [Roll Eyes] I am playing an online chess game where you are currently adding little of value. [Killing me]
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
I always perform a cavity search before engaging in sexual intercourse. It enhances my experience.
Early frontrunner for thread's stupidest analogy.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
From the Moustrap review:

quote:
Even in today’s spoiler-laden modernity, there’s something wonderful about watching anything – television, movies and, especially, live theatre – when you’ve no idea on where it’s going or what’s going to happen next.
Talk about the arrogance of normalizing one's own likes. To some it doesn't matter, and to some people on the autism spectrum, plot surprises in a movie or play can be unpleasant or even painful.
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
analogy
Oh, you thought the purpose was analogy? How amusingly tone deaf of you both.
 
Posted by Og, King of Bashan (# 9562) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
From the Moustrap review:

quote:
Even in today’s spoiler-laden modernity, there’s something wonderful about watching anything – television, movies and, especially, live theatre – when you’ve no idea on where it’s going or what’s going to happen next.
Talk about the arrogance of normalizing one's own likes. To some it doesn't matter, and to some people on the autism spectrum, plot surprises in a movie or play can be unpleasant or even painful.
So if you need or want spoilers, seek them out. Presumably there is some website that specializes in providing warnings to autism spectrum cinema goers?

This seems like a total no-brainer.
 
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :
 
SPOILER AHEAD

I was never a huge fan of Letterman, but one of his routines that I liked was when The Crying Game was in the theatres, and everyone who had seen it was playing along with not revealing the big twist(which actually wasn't that relevant to the overall story, but anyway).

For about a week or so, Dave would have a part in his monologue where he'd say something like "The Crying Game is still really popular. [pause] He's a man. That's the big secret. His girlfriend turns out to be a man. I don't know what the big deal is."

At which point Paul would go into exaggerated outrage about how Dave had ruined it for everyone.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
From the Moustrap review:

quote:
Even in today’s spoiler-laden modernity, there’s something wonderful about watching anything – television, movies and, especially, live theatre – when you’ve no idea on where it’s going or what’s going to happen next.
Talk about the arrogance of normalizing one's own likes. To some it doesn't matter, and to some people on the autism spectrum, plot surprises in a movie or play can be unpleasant or even painful.
So if you need or want spoilers, seek them out. Presumably there is some website that specializes in providing warnings to autism spectrum cinema goers?

This seems like a total no-brainer.
Avoiding the media until you've seen your fucking precious movie seems a no brainer, especially when you know you are likely to see a spoiler.

I didn't say that articles or websites should provide spoilers, only that the idea that everyone wants surprise is incorrect. But thank you for telling me what I really meant. Fuckwit.
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
The Mousetrap even after sixty five years remains largely spoiler free.

“Much of the success of The Mousetrap’s longevity comes from the tradition of audience members promising to keep the secret of whodunit alive. Even today, at the end of the show, cast members ask the audience to not tell anyone who the killer is – it’s a practice that’s been a part of the show for decades, and ensures that the majority of audiences who see the show for the first time are doing it spoiler-free.”

Which proves it can be done!
You need to watch Toast of London Boogie, the episode where he reveals the ending to Moosetrap on television. Actually, if you like comedy you should watch Toast of London. It is a hoot.

Incidentally, I saw the play. The theatre was cramped and uncomfortable, the actors wooden and the script dusty and formulaic. I was however in a bad mood, as the restaurant where we ate stuffed up our order and almost made us late for the play. My mood often influences my judgement.
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
I always perform a cavity search before engaging in sexual intercourse. It enhances my experience.
Do you wear rubber gloves?

I found this post highly risible, analogy or not.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:

But I do think that treating spoilers from a movie that came out a few days ago as common knowledge is a bit rude.
Assuming everyone has seen even old films is rude. Young people will encounter old films as something new. And not every old person has seen the old films.
Some older films are so much a part of the culture that references are near impossible to avoid. But most films, including loads of good ones, are not.
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Avoiding the media until you've seen your fucking precious movie seems a no brainer,
No, it really fucking isn't. The media for something like Star Wars is not just the news section of a website, it is on the front page of the parent site. It is in the sidebars of completely unrelated sites, it is on tech sites, on entertainment sites, in unrelated search results; it is linked on most of the fucking internet.
And what the fucking hell with the vitriol towards people who would rather enjoy a film than be spoonfed every fucking detail?
All I am asking is that writers learn the fucking trade they are in. It doesn't take Pulitzer winning skill to avoid spoilers when writing a review.
"Just go opening weekend" This is ridiculous advice. That cannot always be arraigned and not everyone will fit into theatres opening weekend if they wanted to.
I've seen premiers, pre-release cuts and the dailies for films. Should I tell everyone what is going to happen and give the advice of getting your own access to pre-release material?
Don't give a shit about spoilers? Good for you. Why the spite towards those who do?

Let me put it another way. All I am asking is for people to be moderately considerate. Something you, mt, generally espouse.
 
Posted by Og, King of Bashan (# 9562) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Fuckwit.
Right back atcha, brother.

******SPOILER ALERT******
Ain’t no way he’ll let me get the last word here.
 
Posted by Rossweisse (# 2349) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Critics and other media have to cover films and they must do in close proximity to the realise date. What they do not need to do is put spoilers in the FUCKING TITLE of the article or in the teaser text accompanying the article. ...
Critics almost never write the headlines. Blame the copy desk.
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
I found this post highly risible
Spoiler alert: that was the fucking point, you smug self-important hyperventilating fucks.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
I found this post highly risible
Spoiler alert: that was the fucking point, you smug self-important hyperventilating fucks.
You're so cute when you lose.
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
LB, honestly mate, just engage in a pastime that screws with your memory. I can see the same film for a second time and not even realise I've seen it before. That's why I enjoy television so much.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Rossweisse:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Critics and other media have to cover films and they must do in close proximity to the realise date. What they do not need to do is put spoilers in the FUCKING TITLE of the article or in the teaser text accompanying the article. ...
Critics almost never write the headlines. Blame the copy desk.
ISTM, the headline comes from the text of the article/review, but whoever is too blame. The reviews often contain spoilers and that is irksome by itself, with some sites previewing text.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
LB, honestly mate, just engage in a pastime that screws with your memory.
Though it is not as evident as it should be, I enjoy the ability to use my brain. Of course, if one didn't have much to lose at the start...
 
Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
The Mousetrap even after sixty five years remains largely spoiler free.

“Much of the success of The Mousetrap’s longevity comes from the tradition of audience members promising to keep the secret of whodunit alive. Even today, at the end of the show, cast members ask the audience to not tell anyone who the killer is – it’s a practice that’s been a part of the show for decades, and ensures that the majority of audiences who see the show for the first time are doing it spoiler-free.”

Which proves it can be done!
I have heard of taxi drivers delivering people to the show who were unhappy with their tip and shouted a spoiler.
 
Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on :
 
So there you have a perfectly fine mystery and someone has to shout out "He has risen!"
[Smile]
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
LB, honestly mate, just engage in a pastime that screws with your memory.
Though it is not as evident as it should be, I enjoy the ability to use my brain. Of course, if one didn't have much to lose at the start...
Yeah, but the great thing about it is that you don't realise its missing for years! Perception is reality my friend!
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
I have heard of taxi drivers delivering people to the show who were unhappy with their tip and shouted a spoiler.
Okay now that is just shitty.
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
More than one of you is just fucking weird.

I don't know if that's a surprise or not. For me, there was some new evidence in this thread that I hadn't seen before.
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
LB, honestly mate, just engage in a pastime that screws with your memory.
Though it is not as evident as it should be, I enjoy the ability to use my brain. Of course, if one didn't have much to lose at the start...
I didn’t.

I’ve never had a reliable memory.

This means I can read books again and again but still enjoy them. I simply don’t remember who dun it!

I’m a quick creative thinker but memory? Nope. All my life I’ve needed coping strategies in place of memory.
 
Posted by quetzalcoatl (# 16740) on :
 
Og wrote:

quote:
*It’s always bad form to intentionally spoil a plot twist for someone who genuinely doesn’t know and doesn’t want to know, no matter how well known. e.g., if you know I’m reading Pride and Prejudice for the first time, don’t just blurt out the ending
I can tell you the ending now - Wickham has created a zombie army, but he is revealed to be undead himself. I'm telling you, that Jane Austen had a fiery imagination.
 
Posted by Og, King of Bashan (# 9562) on :
 
Damnit!
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
You're so cute when you lose.
I am reliably informed that I am always cute.

So you mean to say that when you read whatshisface's post about "whenever he goes to a play he always reads it first" because it "enhances his enjoyment" it didn't cause you to spit out your virgin-thigh-rolled Cuban cigar and almost spill your hand-blown snifter full of Rémy Martin cognac at the shocking display of uncouth smugness?

Perhaps it was just me. Pardon me while I renew my bulk order of nitrile gloves.
 
Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :
 
So I'm off to see The Last Jedi tonight, with the family, including one family member who saw it at the midnight showing last week.

I've not read a single spoiler, because ... I don't mean to boast, but I'm not an idiot.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
But RooK, it wasn't leo on the film (or book) thread this time, it was Caissa.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
So I'm off to see The Last Jedi tonight, with the family, including one family member who saw it at the midnight showing last week.

I've not read a single spoiler, because ... I don't mean to boast, but I'm not an idiot.
At the risk of being insulting...well, your statement mightn't actually stupid, it could be just ignorant.
The only way to avoid spoilers is to limit one's online activities.* This is not always practical for some of us. And it shouldn't be necessary. Practical considerations or not, many people should not have to change their habits because a few are not bright enough to creatively do their job.
*Or watch the telly or walk by a newsagent or listen to the radio or...
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
not many, surely [Smile]

Although there was a huge controversy in one of my facebook history-oriented groups when the admin wielded the ban hammer ostensibly because someone had revealed a plot-twist to the Star Trek film just released. It turns out that the guy was a trouble-maker of long standing, but before that was revealed people were doing faux-spoilers all over the place.
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
So I'm off to see The Last Jedi tonight, with the family, including one family member who saw it at the midnight showing last week.

I've not read a single spoiler, because ... I don't mean to boast, but I'm not an idiot.
I think there are some other things you haven’t read.
 
Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :
 
I've seen it now. [Big Grin]

And considering it's one of the biggest film releases of the year, if I can avoid spoilers, pretty certain most folk can.

(and yes, there's a very great deal I haven't read or seen, but I'm blessed with a genuinely terrible memory, so that if someone does let slip some of the plot, I've normally forgotten that part by the time I finally get around to it.)

But otherwise, okay, it can be annoying. But, working in the industry, I know it can be very difficult to publicise something without giving away anything. I write, in conjunction with my editor and publicity dept, the blurbs for my books - essentially an advert for what's inside, on the outside. There's a very fine line between losing a sale because the reader doesn't think it for them, and spoiling it for someone who would otherwise buy it.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
I would point out that with a Star Wars film, nothing beyond announcing the opening date is needed to guarantee attendance.
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
well yeah... that's why you affect a 'beastly careless' attitude to all things Star Wartz.
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
And considering it's one of the biggest film releases of the year, if I can avoid spoilers, pretty certain most folk can.
[Roll Eyes]

Seriously, how much work did you actually put into actively avoiding spoilers? What behaviour did you engage in, that you don't normally engage in, to avoid them?

Or did you just follow most of your normal routines and, being luckier than some, no spoilers came across your path?
 
Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :
 
I'm fairly active online. I did a lot of fast scrolling, and not visiting review websites I normally read. People in my FB timeline are reasonably considerate in that they put spoilers in the comments, not in the main post. My daughter had already seen the film.

So, yes, a little effort. Not locking myself in a strongroom effort, but a casual curation. It wasn't that difficult to sit down in the theatre a week after the film opened with very little idea as to what was going to happen.

Except it's Star Wars, and we're pretty much guaranteed plenty of pew, vrom and kshh.
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
plenty of pew, vrom and kshh.
Indeed (and well said).

[spoilerish]
Honestly, I can see why people think that knowing something might ruin their impromptu processing of it. But if we're being objective, the impact of pivotal parts like the wwwwwWWWWWW-[SILENT WHAM] are worth seeing over and over again, regardless of foreknowledge. So foreknowledge of overall worthwhile experiences should create anticipation. Meanwhile, cutting through the crap to point out the not-quite-worth-the-trouble kernel of an experience helps to save us from wasting our time.
[/spoilerish]

The narrow window of having a genuine "aha" moment being the only redeeming quality of an experience, such that foreknowledge makes suffering through the experience not worthwhile, seems pretty small to me.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
And now LB is suggesting we need to start a new Heaven thread in case people get upset by spoilers… on a thread the title of which is “… Spoilers too!...” and where everyone has been conscientiously including a few lines of bumph at the start to avoid anyone seeing spoilers on the home page.

Or we could, I don’t know, assume people are intelligent enough not to click on the thread if they haven’t seen the film yet?

I only saw Star Wars last night and had managed to avoid finding out what happened before. I must be a hermit or something.
[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RooK:

The narrow window of having a genuine "aha" moment being the only redeeming quality of an experience, such that foreknowledge makes suffering through the experience not worthwhile, seems pretty small to me.
Generally, an aha moment should not be the only thing that makes a story, but I could name a few that I think significantly change one's experience of a film. For most people, a knowledge-filled viewing is a different experience.

But this doesn't get the problem, or at least my problem.*
Most of entertainment isn't highly original and in some franchises there are limitations of just how far a story may be taken. Stories, even original ones, have constraints. So it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to work out most of what is going to happen well before it does.

What works for me is to just let the story happen without making any attempt to work anything out.

This is short circuited by spoilers, and many trailers, for that matter. For example, seeing a threat to a character that I know beforehand will or will not die doesn't have the same feel and takes me out of the experience. With too many bits of definite knowledge, I can no longer avoid thinking about what is going to happen.

It does not allow me to simply experience.

And I am not alone in this.

*Yes, I know. My problem relating to spoilers, thank you very much.


I mean think about it, the clues that Rook has fluffy bits were always there, but discovering this for oneself is far better than being simply told.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
And now LB is suggesting we need to start a new Heaven thread in case people get upset by spoilers… on a thread the title of which is “… Spoilers too!...” and where everyone has been conscientiously including a few lines of bumph at the start to avoid anyone seeing spoilers on the home page.

Or we could, I don’t know, assume people are intelligent enough not to click on the thread if they haven’t seen the film yet?

I only saw Star Wars last night and had managed to avoid finding out what happened before. I must be a hermit or something.
[Roll Eyes]
And fuck you too.
If those buffers are for the reason you mention, they are useless. The only post that needs a spoiler buffer is the OP. It is the only one that shows on the Ship's front page. I assumed people knew this and were doing it for people who read the thread for speculation but not knowledge. Which is reasonable* considering the thread pre-dates the film's opening and some reading may not have seen it yet.

I get that some people are dull, lacking imagination, wonder or any sense of personal joy. But why get your knickers in a twist for those of us who still have some left?

In simpler terms that you might be able to comprehend: If you don't care about spoilers, why the fuck does it matter to you that some do?

*Which explains why you might have missed it.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
If you use the recent posts option on the Ship, labelled "Today's active posts" the first few lines of every post with recent activity show there. So for those who use that feature all posts on a thread count.

[ 21. December 2017, 18:11: Message edited by: Curiosity killed ... ]
 
Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :
 
Oh, lB. So much hate.

We all know where that leads...

You want to avoid spoilers? Don't click on a thread with the name of the bloody film you haven't seen. It's not rocket science.

[ 21. December 2017, 19:35: Message edited by: Doc Tor ]
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
If you use the recent posts option on the Ship, labelled "Today's active posts" the first few lines of every post with recent activity show there. So for those who use that feature all posts on a thread count.
Aaah, OK. I’ve never used that option, my bad.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Oh, lB. So much hate.
I don’t hate lvr. I don’t really do hate in regards to people.
Annoyance, that I do. She didn’t have any point other than to dig into me as she doesn’t like me. Now, I completely understand people not liking me. But have a real bloody Point if you want to pick a fight.
quote:

You want to avoid spoilers? Don't click on a thread with the name of the bloody film you haven't seen. It's not rocket science.
Neither is actually reading for comprehension. I’m not complaining about the spoilers thread, I avoided it until I saw the film. I was trying to make it easier and cleaner. But as CK points out, my suggestion wouldn’t.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
Yes, it’s because I’m a big meanie.

Alternatively, you might be being a teensy weensy little bit oversensitive about this. It’s only reasonable to expect spoilers on a thread that has the word “spoilers” in the title, for goodness sakes.
 
Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :
 
lB, no one here, and the internet in general, have no duty to conform to your ideas of easier.

Feel free to continue to beat your head against an uncaring wall of indifference.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Yes, it’s because I’m a big meanie.

Alternatively, you might be being a teensy weensy little bit oversensitive about this. It’s only reasonable to expect spoilers on a thread that has the word “spoilers” in the title, for goodness sakes.
And I’m not at all bothered by that. I didn’t know about the preview on recent activity, so I thought I found a way to make the two different discussions easier.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
lB, no one here, and the internet in general, have no duty to conform to your ideas of easier.

Feel free to continue to beat your head against an uncaring wall of indifference.
Actually, the crew are generally receptive to at least listen. Jedi Judy indeed took on my suggestion not to put spoilers in the OP because it will show on the front page. Or at least pretended she hadn’t thought of it herself. SOP for SOF.

And I know that the internet has no responsibility to do what I think is right If only SOF had a board to rant about just such a thing...
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
And I know that the internet has no responsibility to do what I think is right. If only SOF had a board to rant about just such a thing...
If only that board warned people that posting there was equivalent to painting a big target on their backside.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
And I know that the internet has no responsibility to do what I think is right. If only SOF had a board to rant about just such a thing...
If only that board warned people that posting there was equivalent to painting a big target on their backside.
And if only I had demonstrated that didn’t bother me and perhaps I even enjoy it.
At least when the punters have a half-way decent argument. So far it is basically ‘Spoilers don’t bother me’
Practically the Oxford Union...
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
So far it's "If you don't like spoilers, stay away from any place or space that might contain spoilers." Excellent idea. You should try it. Might make for less bitching.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
So far it's "If you don't like spoilers, stay away from any place or space that might contain spoilers." Excellent idea. You should try it. Might make for less bitching.
You didn't read thoroughly. And again, why is being an arse about this the response?
I am saying that writers should be responsible and considerate and you are saying bury my head in the sand.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
Is the thread about how the world should be? Then yes people should be considerate and nice and vote for freedom and fairness and high taxes on the rich.

But the world isn't that way. So you need to stick your head in the sand if that's what it takes to avoid spoilers.
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
I just watched the first 57 minutes of Rogue One for the first time (I think). It bored me so much that I didn't want to watch the rest at the moment. It has the distinction of making two great actors - Ben Mendelsohn and Forrest Whittaker look really really bad - wooden in fact.

Spend your time elsewhere LB. Star Wars was always the crappest of crap films.
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
Whoa, spoiler alert there big fella. Sheesh. Maybe some people want to have their revulsion and boredom being spontaneous and impromptu, you inconsiderate asshole.
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
I know, I know. I shouldn't have put that last sentence in. [Two face]
 
Posted by ThunderBunk (# 15579) on :
 
There are six plots on earth. Spoilers are therefore impossible and all moaners expose themselves as juvenile idiots.

Leave conversation to the grown-ups.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ThunderBunk:
There are six plots on earth. Spoilers are therefore impossible and all moaners expose themselves as juvenile idiots.

Leave conversation to the grown-ups.
This contributes nothing to the conversation except to show that you do not read for compression and spectacularly miss the point of this thread as well demonstrating the immaturity you apply to others.
Thanks for playing! Bubye.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
This contributes nothing to the conversation except to show that you do not read for compression
Okay now that is a funny typo.
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
It is a beautiful typo. It's so good that if I had written the post and noticed the mistake I would have left it there for the enjoyment of others. Whether you have done that or not, thankyou LB.

Thankyou too MT for spotting it. You are either my ex-girlfriend editor or the academic in the office next to mine 20 years ago who used to destroy every document I passed to him for comment. You're not a very angry man from Belfast are you?
 
Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :
 
I'm sure mt can be whatever you want him to be, for the right price...

Also, I shall have to review my current wip to see if it reads for compression. It could do with losing maybe 10k words.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
This contributes nothing to the conversation except to show that you do not read for compression
Okay now that is a funny typo.
Yes, it is. [Hot and Hormonal] I wish I could blame auto correct, but I still missed it, so...
 


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