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Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
Canada 2017! Who remembers the glorious centennial year in 1967?

A new thread for 2017. [Axe murder]
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
I remember 1967 (yes, I am that old [Big Grin] ) but not really from a Canadian perspective; my world-view at that time only extended to Scotland.

Happy new year to all my adopted countrymen, and happy birthday to my adopted country! [Smile]
 
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on :
 
Good grief that makes the country almost as old as Pete!

...but not quite!

[Two face]

Only joking Pete.

Happy New Year to all!
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
I still sing the Ca-na-da song by Bobby Gimby. Apparently most people hate it, at least when I sing it. I loved 1967. I hope to love 2017. Kind wishes to everyone for the next year.
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
I was too young to remember 1967, but I remember Pierre Trudeau visiting my very small town in 1968 or '69.

I am rather looking forward to our sesquicentenial. I'm not certain precisely what yet, but I am going to host something to honour this country that has been so very good to me.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
I have vague memories of Expo 67 held in Montreal (tbh, I had to look up the site of the Expo) but I do recall that it cost a pile of money. Much like the Montreal Olympic Games nine years later. Is there something about Montreal that eats cash?
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I have vague memories of Expo 67 held in Montreal (tbh, I had to look up the site of the Expo) but I do recall that it cost a pile of money. Much like the Montreal Olympic Games nine years later. Is there something about Montreal that eats cash?

Yes.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
I'm anxious to see where all the funding goes. 2014 was a huge deal here - 150th of the Charlottetown Conference - and everyone kept saying how this would be nothing compared to the dollars coming our way for 2017.

I was quite small for Expo '67 and really only remember cringing down inside the pod on the Spider ride in the amusement park. We were living in Florida at the time and came home to Montreal for it. I do remember Bobby Gimby's visit to our elementary school in Saskatchewan. It was a very exciting day. The entire school had learned to sing his songs so it was a sing-a-long concert. I will never forget his great enthusiasm and animated playing and singing.

Our regional weekend radio program host did a Canada-wide show yesterday. It was an excellent history lesson through song. They called it Canada 150: The Mixtape.

So far, I've ushered in the New Year with a sick dog. I'll try to get with the program by the time the warmer weather rolls around.

Wishing you the best for 2017!
 
Posted by Moo (# 107) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I have vague memories of Expo 67 held in Montreal (tbh, I had to look up the site of the Expo) but I do recall that it cost a pile of money. Much like the Montreal Olympic Games nine years later.

My impression is that places that host the Olympic Games usually lose a bundle. Before the games there is enthusiastic talk about how these new facilities will be used, but frequently they fall into disuse.

Moo
 
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :
 
Happy New Year, and happy sesquicentennial to my compatriots!

We have had Newfoundland-like quantities of snow here this year. Fortunately, this is also the first year we've had a snowblower! It's small, really a glorified blowdryer, but still easier to push it into the snow than lift the snow with shovels.

I'm sure Ottawa Shipmates will be deluged in late June with company who suddenly remembered their existence [Big Grin] hope your hospitality is appreciated! [Smile]
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Leaf:
... this is also the first year we've had a snowblower ....

The friends for whom we're house-sitting have a really nifty cordless snow-blower (just as well, as they've also got a driveway), and when we got about a foot of snow on New Year's Day, D. gave it some exercise. I was watching from the house and you'd think he'd been doing it all his life.

[Overused]
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
I recall that, in 1967 for the Centennial, the town of Saint Paul, Alberta, built a UFO landing pad as its centennial project. I think such projects are to be commended.
 
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Leaf:
Happy New Year, and happy sesquicentennial to my compatriots!

We have had Newfoundland-like quantities of snow here this year. Fortunately, this is also the first year we've had a snowblower! It's small, really a glorified blowdryer, but still easier to push it into the snow than lift the snow with shovels.


I know that you and your snowblower will be very happy together - they are a joy. Just don't ever drive it over your car's engine block heater cable that is buried in the snow you are clearing. We don't need to discuss how I became an authority on this.
 
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
I know that you and your snowblower will be very happy together - they are a joy. Just don't ever drive it over your car's engine block heater cable that is buried in the snow you are clearing. We don't need to discuss how I became an authority on this.

Ooh! <pained face> I witnessed the results when my brother-in-law went over a long plastic snowbrush with a snowblower. The results were Not Pretty. Shards of plastic everywhere, and it made a really gnarly sound.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
So, Friday after work I will be flying to Washington DC for the weekend. I hope things are fairly quiet, but I will settle for noisy as long there is not a riot.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
Good luck with that, Sharkshooter! [Eek!]
 
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on :
 
After a good number of years in Canada I've never watched an ordinary hockey game - just never interested me at all. But today, while my Dear Wife was busy scaring donald fart in Washington I went to see a sledge hockey game - something I'd never even heard of until recently. Our friend's daughter plays for the fearsomely named Hamilton Sledgehammers and the players are all what is loosely called disabled... An incredible sight as these young people in full hockey gear hurtled about the ice at high speed on minimalist sleds. A few of them had 'pushers' to help them, so they played as a duo - beautifully done, including one who has almost no eyesight but took a full part in the game. It was touching and inspirational, and a damn fine game to watch.
 
Posted by Kittyville (# 16106) on :
 
I was recently re-reading my copy of "New Celtic Cooking", bought in Canada some years ago, ST, and thought of you - it has a recipe for butteries. Let me know if you'd like it, and I'll post it on the recipes thread in Heaven.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
Please do, Kittyville. I can't speak for ST, but I love butteries, and wouldn't mind giving them a go.
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
I had to go back and read that.... I thought, What the hell? Recipe for batteries? [Ultra confused]
 
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kittyville:
I was recently re-reading my copy of "New Celtic Cooking", bought in Canada some years ago, ST, and thought of you - it has a recipe for butteries. Let me know if you'd like it, and I'll post it on the recipes thread in Heaven.

That would be really good - thank you. Quite a long time ago we were with friends in l'Annonciation, a long way north of Montreal, and was told that I had to try the unique croissants at the local bakery. With one bite I was transported back to 1960s Aberdeen and the old style butteries that I am sure were still made with lard back then. I'll be interested to know how that compares with the New Celtic version. I promise Piglet I'll try them without Marmite first.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
I had to go back and read that.... I thought, What the hell? Recipe for batteries? [Ultra confused]

I read it as "butterflies."
[Smile]
 
Posted by neandergirl (# 8916) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
I had to go back and read that.... I thought, What the hell? Recipe for batteries? [Ultra confused]

I read it as "butterflies."
[Smile]

Ditto [Hot and Hormonal]
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
... I promise Piglet I'll try them without Marmite first.

Marmite??? On a buttery? Heretick! [Devil]
 
Posted by Kittyville (# 16106) on :
 
I haven't posted the recipe for copyright reasons (which I obviously should have thought of earlier), but I found a very similar one by the Hairy Bikers on BBC Food.

New Celtic Cooking is a great book - highly recommended, if you come across it.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
Thanks, Kittyville - I found the Hairy Bikers' recipe on t'web and I've posted a link to it in Heaven.
 
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kittyville:
I haven't posted the recipe for copyright reasons (which I obviously should have thought of earlier), but I found a very similar one by the Hairy Bikers on BBC Food.

New Celtic Cooking is a great book - highly recommended, if you come across it.

Just asked the public library to get it for me (after having to tell the computer, No - I did not mean "Slow Electric Cooking". Celtic electricity is a different topic entirely).
 
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on :
 
[Votive]
 
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :
 
Five dead in shooting at a Quebec City mosque. Jesus.
[Votive] [Votive] [Votive] [Votive] [Votive]
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Leaf:
Five dead in shooting at a Quebec City mosque. Jesus.
[Votive] [Votive] [Votive] [Votive] [Votive]

And the first thing that came to my mind was to blame Donald Trump. Of course there is no information about that whatsoever. I'm amazed that that was my first thought - how can one man have so much power to stir things up!?! I used to live in Ste. Foy and am shocked to hear the news. [Votive]
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lily pad:
... I used to live in Ste. Foy and am shocked to hear the news. [Votive]

So did I.

My prayers are for the victims, family, and friends of those injured and killed in this madness.
 
Posted by Nicolemr (# 28) on :
 
Dropping in to the Canada thread to offer prayers for the victims and survivors.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lily pad:
... the first thing that came to my mind was to blame Donald Trump.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one. [Paranoid]

[Votive] for all affected, victims and survivors.
 
Posted by Soror Magna (# 9881) on :
 
<knock knock>

Group hug? [Waterworks]

Thanks. [Votive]
 
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
Ottawa joins the other large cities

I see problems ahead, given that it is the Nation's Capital, as all the signboards used to say.

But am pleased and hope it happens.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
I started a thread. Couldn't not.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
It seems to get earlier every year, but Roll up the Rim appears to have started, and I've apparently just gagnezed some potato wedges.

Makes a change from doughnuts I suppose ... [Big Grin]

Anyone else gagnezed anything yet?
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
I'm 1 for 9 so far - a cookie - which I can't eat anyway. Gave it to my niece.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
How's everyone on the right-hand side coping with this spot of weather?

We got 79cm of snow yesterday, which is apparently the biggest single snowfall in Freddy since 1967.

I'm assured by a lady in the congregation that this is unusual; I sincerely hope she's right.

[Eek!]
 
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on :
 
No more snow here and not much left lying. I did gagne a free coffee today, but I need that new car even more.
 
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on :
 
Apparently its going to be patio weather this weekend here in Toronto.

Better then what we had last weekend.


0 for 1 so far this year but I don't pass by a Tims that much anymore when I feel like buying a hot drink.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
No more snow here and not much left lying ...

In my dreams. [Frown]

We're supposed to get +6° on Sunday, but it would need to stay like that for about a fortnight to shift the heaps we've got.

The drive where we're house-sitting got well and truly ploughed in this morning - the heap must have been about four feet high at its peak, and it took both of us about half-an-hour to clear enough to get the car out.

I hate snow. [Waterworks]
 
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:
...I hate snow. [Waterworks]

[Big Grin]

Mind you we are off to the mountains on Monday so I think I might feel a trifle cool at night.

[Eek!]
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
... a trifle cool ...

You mean below 25°C? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on :
 
Who knew Emerson Manitoba would be our version of a hole in the Berlin Wall
 
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:
quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
... a trifle cool ...

You mean below 25°C? [Big Grin]
More likely approaching zero! How will I cope?

The annoying thing is that I can't find either of my long sleeved sweatshirt type things, I may have to buy another when we get there.

eta: I then found the sweatshirt in full view, left out ready for packing - sometimes I despair of myself!

[ 19. February 2017, 05:35: Message edited by: Welease Woderwick ]
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
Who knew Emerson Manitoba would be our version of a hole in the Berlin Wall

If Mr. Hoffman is that keen on Trump, maybe he would like to move south ... [Devil]
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
I ran across this on the G&M website, and since there are posts regarding Tim Horton's above, I thought that this might be of interest. I've never been a Timmy's fan, but I recognise the loyalty that it commands. web page
 
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
I ran across this on the G&M website, and since there are posts regarding Tim Horton's above, I thought that this might be of interest. I've never been a Timmy's fan, but I recognise the loyalty that it commands. web page

Fixed link. Fascinating read. Depressing.
 
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on :
 
And in breaking news from southern Ontario, spring has been cancelled, the temperature will be below zero and will stay there until further notice, the snowfall will be utterly objectionable, and the brass monkeys will continue to be in hiding at least until April, possibly June.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
I understand that we're due for a foot or so of sn*w in the next few days - a foot or so more than we actually need or want.

[Waterworks]
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
Whiner! We had 18" last week. Went XC skiing with the dog a couple of times. Supposed to melt later in the week. [Waterworks]
 
Posted by Moo (# 107) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Whiner! We had 18" last week. Went XC skiing with the dog a couple of times.

I didn't know you could get XC skis for dogs.

I'll get me coat.

Moo
 
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on :
 
Its been a month.

Its Spring and the sound of Wacky Tabacky wafts across the pundit discussions.
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
And tomorrow is 4/20! Spark up that doob!

This is probably more purgatorial of me, but I confess some disappointment in the government extending no amnesty. Considering that decriminalisation (at least) was part of the platform, amnesty should be extended at least back to 19 October 2015. (Personally, I'd favour back to 1972 - submission of the report of the Le Dain Commission.) This refusal of amnesty puts the police in a difficult position: do you charge someone under the current law, knowing that in 14 months (assuming the timetable holds) it will no longer be an offence? This introduces a high degree of personal discretion on the part of the officer, leading to a patchy, inconsistent application of the law, which never a good thing, as it leads to injustices and brings the law into further disrespect.
 
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on :
 
I think I must have missed something here. Not being Canadian, I do not know what amnesty you speak of.

Could you enlighten non Canadians please or am I just having a bad morning?
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
The federal government has moved to decriminalise marijuana - not quite fully legalise, but mostly, in that the government will market it as a monopoly much as they do alcohol. They are are, however, adopting a pose of enforcement of controls - and at this stage of the process, it is more pose than substance. Among the poses being struck is a law-and-order attitude toward those who have been convicted of offences that in short order will not be offences at all. To cloak themselves yet further in righteousness, the applicable taxes will not be treated as a revenue stream (as, I believe they are in Oregon), but to fund public awareness of the dangers of marijuana and to fund harm reduction programmes, hence the two words used here to defend a tax: "revenue neutral". I suspect that once the bill exits committee, it will have been greatly massaged.
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
Jeez, sorry Lothlorien, I wrote that explanation, and then ignored your question.

Regarding the amnesty, there had been some question as to whether there would be pardoning of those who had been convicted of offences that would then no longer be offences after the passage of the bill (target date 1 July 2018), and, if so, how far back in time the amnesty would reach. As it turns out, no dice.
 
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on :
 
Thanks for explanation.
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
And tomorrow is 4/20! Spark up that doob!

This is probably more purgatorial of me, but I confess some disappointment in the government extending no amnesty. Considering that decriminalisation (at least) was part of the platform, amnesty should be extended at least back to 19 October 2015. (Personally, I'd favour back to 1972 - submission of the report of the Le Dain Commission.) This refusal of amnesty puts the police in a difficult position: do you charge someone under the current law, knowing that in 14 months (assuming the timetable holds) it will no longer be an offence? This introduces a high degree of personal discretion on the part of the officer, leading to a patchy, inconsistent application of the law, which never a good thing, as it leads to injustices and brings the law into further disrespect.

In most places (not all!), Crowns have quietly let chiefs of police know that they are not inclined to prosecute for simple (viz., individual user) possession, and the news is communicated to the constabulary- a friend of mine, one of Ottawa's finest, was so briefed a few years ago. She informs me that they only think of such charges as add-ons to other offences, and the Crowns then use that for their own bargaining purposes.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
Airplanes never leave Toronto's Pearson Airport on time. Never ever.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Airplanes never leave Toronto's Pearson Airport on time. Never ever.

I've flown out of Pearson several times with no delays, but it is my least favorite airport in the world. Signs are practically non-existent, there's hardly anyone to ask for directions, and they treat you as if you're stupid if you actually do find someone. It takes a minimum of two hours to get through the four lines you need to navigate before you get to your gate.
[Help]
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
Toronto Pearson is notable for having an area dedicated for passengers trying to sleep. I have used it on two occasions and found it satisfactory. The airport also has two chapels run by the Aviation Interfaith Ministry, which appears to be operated by RC and Evangelical Baptist clergy, should shipmates be inclined to while away their waiting time in devotional activities.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
It is frankly better to travel west before flying east than to go through Toronto. Six of us flew on different flights through Toronto in the Easter season. The least tardy was 30 minutes. The most was 3.5 hours. 30 minutes means the plane pushed back on time, but was in the wrong place in the queue to fly away.

We can, to a degree blame airlines, which do their best to increase revenue and to be really quite polite and kind as able, but I think it is infrastructure and catering to the YTO economy.

We do avoid it going to Europe. It is so far south, one can fly west to Calgary even from Winnipeg and arrive in the UK or on the continent 1-2 hours earlier. But stuck routed through it for many Canadian points in the east (notwithstanding the central Canada is geographically Manitobs, east-west)

There are less pleasant airports in the world for certain. My waiting for a long time last night, lacking the sleep-in ability causes my whine.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
...it is my least favorite airport in the world. ...

I take Toronto over Montreal every time I can. Being in Ottawa, I usually have to transfer in one or the other. I fly through Toronto a lot, and rarely have bad experiences. Plus, there is lots of opportunity for exercise walking from gate to gate, especially on transfers from/to USA or International.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
...it is my least favorite airport in the world. ...

I take Toronto over Montreal every time I can. Being in Ottawa, I usually have to transfer in one or the other. I fly through Toronto a lot, and rarely have bad experiences. Plus, there is lots of opportunity for exercise walking from gate to gate, especially on transfers from/to USA or International.
Of course, the reader must understand that I am referring to YYZ, not YTZ, which must be avoided at all costs.
 
Posted by Salicional (# 16461) on :
 
I'm sure Pearson isn't all that bad for those accustomed to it, but as someone who's only used a couple of times I've found it overwhelming. I much prefer to fly out of Hamilton when I go back west.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Salicional:
I'm sure Pearson isn't all that bad for those accustomed to it, but as someone who's only used a couple of times I've found it overwhelming.

For those of us who only fly in and out of it once a year, it's like navigating the circles of Hell. Unfortunately, it's the only airport in the Toronto area with direct flights to/from Arizona. But now Air Canada has changed the one daily direct flight from Phoenix, so it now lands in Toronto just after midnight rather than around 8:00 p.m. as it used to.

[Mad]
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
But now Air Canada has changed the one daily direct flight from Phoenix, so it now lands in Toronto just after midnight rather than around 8:00 p.m. as it used to.

[Mad]

AC1836 still shows 13:00-20:10. It is, however, Rouge. [Mad]
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
The last time I went home to the UK (and the first time I'd been coming back to Fredericton) I flew back from Edinburgh to Toronto, and had a heck of a long wait for the connection to Fredericton.

I didn't mind the scheduled part of the long wait - I don't know Pearson all that well, and was happy enough to have plenty of time to find the right gate and so on - but the unscheduled bit (the flight to Fredericton was at least a couple of hours late leaving) was a total pain in the arse.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
But now Air Canada has changed the one daily direct flight from Phoenix, so it now lands in Toronto just after midnight rather than around 8:00 p.m. as it used to.

[Mad]

AC1836 still shows 13:00-20:10. It is, however, Rouge. [Mad]
That's odd -- maybe the schedule is changing before August. For August 21, it shows:
17:10 PHX - Arrival at Toronto at 00:16 +1 YYZ.

(I always though "rouge" meant "red," but it's apparently French for "sardine can.")
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
Looked at the AC schedule, and it appears to vary considerably depending on the day of the week and the season.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
Thanks, sharkshooter.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
Snow across the west over night. 6 inches here. They will be de-icing the planes. Thankfully not flying anywhere.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
According to reports, businessman Kevin O’Leary is pulling out of the Conservative leadership race.

O’Leary is expected to make an official announcement at 4:30 pm ET.

Ottawa Citizen
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
After 36 years of employment, including 32 in the public service, I am out of the workforce, having told the office that I would rather draw my pension than a salary. Yesterday, I handed in my laptop and my ID. It felt a bit weird, but very nice.

I have suggested to the powers that be that the reason is that pensioners always get a better raise than employees, due to the indexing of the pension. This year, for example, pensioners got 1.3%, and our best offer so far, after over two years of negotiating, is 0.5%. Of course that is not really the reason, but it makes a good story.

The next few weeks will see me doing some travelling (my wife currently lives and works in Washington, DC), golfing, and general stuff around the house.
 
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on :
 
Enjoy it.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
sharkshooter:
Both of your posts: good things. To the retirement news, more good wishes than to the withdrawal of that Boston (has)Bean.
 
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :
 
Best wishes, sharkshooter!
 
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on :
 
Retirement is wonderful - highly recommended.

Enjoy!
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
Health to enjoy your retirement, Sharkshooter (and the same to Mrs. Sharkshooter when her turn comes).

[Smile]
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
Unfortunately, the Via Media board seems dead but unmarked. (Blowing dust, tumble weeds...) I apologise for highjacking this board for a sectarian purpose, but I seem to have no option.

I may be spending some time in Kingston ON. Could people give some thumbnail sketches of the different Anglican churches in Kingston? My preference is for Merbecke, a Protestant eucharistic theology, high-ish style without being Anglo-Catholic. I've been only to two: St George's and Trinity on Wolfe Island.

Thoughts? Thanks much in advance.

[ 03. May 2017, 03:54: Message edited by: Pangolin Guerre ]
 
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on :
 
I have often seen such requests posted in Ecclesiastes, Pangolin Guerre. You may get more response there than in AS. Worth a try as well as here. Hope you find something to suit.

Just a friendly hostly suggestion.

Lothlorien AS Host.
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
Quiet on this thread. The BC election results and the Conservative leadership race notwithstanding as potential bumps, are we collectively switching gears into summer mode? Getting propane for the barbecue, prepping to go to the cottage to set up over the long weekend?
 
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
Quiet on this thread. The BC election results and the Conservative leadership race notwithstanding as potential bumps, are we collectively switching gears into summer mode? Getting propane for the barbecue, prepping to go to the cottage to set up over the long weekend?

Nah, I'm too busy having fantods every time I open the news. BC election and the CON leadership are just little bubbles in the universe. The Tories will spend the next 4 years continually trying to pull their feet from their collective mouths, the Libruls (ha!) will slither on, and the Dippers will be, as usual, pretending to be socialist, until just before Election Day when they find Libruls have stolen all their cosmetics.
 
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
Yup, at least the loony Trumpite didn't win, but they stuck with the Harperite path, rather than a progressive path. I don't think there was anybody running on the progressive path. Some skirted it, though.

Basically it was a blue rinse crowd, some of their adult children, and lots of little kids.

Kevin O'Leary quit the race late, but he still got over 1% of the first few ballots. (It was preferential)
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
I think that it's a bit unfair to have expected any of the leadership candidates to be progressive , at least in a way that anyone who cares about being progressive would find satisfying, but Michael Chong comes pretty close to it (mutatis mutandis).

Given the chimera that is the current incarnation of the Conservative Party, Chong was very long shot. The social conservatives, somewhat to my surprise, kept mostly mum (I guess having learned from Leitch's experience), and then edged a social conservative in. Unusually canny. We shall have to be on our toes.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
Scheer is a young person who has almost no life experience aside from politics. Reminds me of Brad Wall, another whose life experience is all politics (the premier of Sask who is in decline after doing what conservatives always do: rack up huge deficits). I was amazed that Brad Trost, the hard, hard right social policy MP did as well as he did. This tells us that the intolerant fringe isn't merely a fringe with the Cons. (Both Scheer and Trost are from Saskatchewan, Regina and Saskatoon, respectively, and yes, I dislike both, and B Wall)
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
I've said it before, and it's an observation that others here and elsewhere have noted, but it bears repeating: how the hell is it the conservatives everywhere carry a reputation for fiscal responsibility when they demonstrably do not deserve it? Is it merely because they are aligned with capitalism that they are assumed to know how to run a government? (A very different enterprise from a profit machine.) Prejudice vs verifiable observation by itself does not seem an adequately powerful explanation. I'll go pour myself scotch...
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
... how the hell is it the conservatives everywhere carry a reputation for fiscal responsibility when they demonstrably do not deserve it? ...

Perhaps because even when they determine they need to run a deficit, it is short term, and they return to balanced budgets. Unlike the (federal) Liberals who have us set on a path of deficits until the mid 2050s. As to the Ontario Liberals, well, let's not go there.
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
... how the hell is it the conservatives everywhere carry a reputation for fiscal responsibility when they demonstrably do not deserve it? ...

Perhaps because even when they determine they need to run a deficit, it is short term, and they return to balanced budgets. Unlike the (federal) Liberals who have us set on a path of deficits until the mid 2050s. As to the Ontario Liberals, well, let's not go there.
Or Mulroney leaving office with a deficit bloated from when he debuted? Not short term. If fiscal tight-fistedness is your sole criterion, Paul Martin's your man. (Though, I grant, his accomplishment was achieved through a goodly application of accounting legerdemain.)

At the provincial level, the most egregious example of fiscal mismanagement in recent history has to be the Devine government. Ooops.... Conservative. For comment on Brad Wall, I pass to No Prophet... as he has first hand experience.

As to the Liberals in Queen's Park, I hold no brief for them.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
Golf Monday cancelled for the second week in a row. Why can't it rain on Tuesdays instead? [Disappointed]
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
I see Ms. Clark of British Columbia has chosen the way of theatre, and seeks to present a Speech from the Throne. [Snigger]

The political geek in me is in a tizzy over this public display of naked parliamentary procedure. [Yipee]

Ah well, may it be in Queen's Park as it is in Edmonton and Victoria!
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
Please don't use the word "naked" and the name of any politician in the same post. It is just too disturbing.
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
But I have a strong interest in gross anatomy.

Coat? Hat?
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:

Coat? Hat?

Door.

[Smile]
 
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on :
 
The Grand River, that runs a few yards behind our house, is forecast to be at its highest level in over forty years tonight, due to unusually heavy rainfall and high reservoir levels. Some flooding and evacuations happening already upstream. The car is on higher ground loaded with essentials, and and valuable stuff is being moved away from floor level. This is unnecessarily exciting. Didn't anyone tell them that this doesn't happen in June?
 
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
Bonne fête nationale, mes ami(e)s

Happy National Day, my friends
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
Get ready to Roll!!

Canada 150 Version of Roll Up the Rim to Win!
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
I should imagine I'll keep up my usual practice of gagnezing bugger-all ... [Paranoid]

In other news have any of you ever done Plan Canada - the child-sponsoring charity thing?

We had a visit this afternoon from a lovely young lady who, in the nicest possible way, persuaded us to pledge a monthly donation to sponsor a girl in Mozambique. It's something that D. has always thought would be a Good Thing To Do, but never before got round to it.

I'll be watching with interest to see how it all works out - I understand they keep you informed about how your sponsored child is getting on.

[ 29. June 2017, 01:11: Message edited by: Piglet ]
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:

In other news have any of you ever done Plan Canada - the child-sponsoring charity thing?

We have sponsored a child now for some 15 or so years, but with World Vision. We get regular updates and some hand-written cards from the child being sponsored.

[ 29. June 2017, 10:33: Message edited by: sharkshooter ]
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
Live, from the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia, it's Responsible Government in Action.

I'm just going to open up a vein now. [Yipee]

Mmmm, political fix....
 
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
Happy 150 birthday to those celebrating colonialism under the current management.
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
Resolutely, and defiantly, I wish everyone a Happy Dominion Day!

(I shall be spending it very Canadianly - laundry, Saturday Globe&Mail, hotdogs/samosas, beer, fireworks. "As Canadian as.... possible under the circumstances.")
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
Just back off the aeroplane from Madrid last night, I walk into a celebratory capital of Ottawa with folk walking about in brief and borderline ephemeral red & white garments, with cases of beer hoisted on their shoulders. This morning, I arise to streets awash in monsoon-like torrents (although I bow to Pete in monsoon assessment capacity), cats looking out windows in their usual inchoate fury.

Still, I have a barbecue to go to and Prince Charles will be doing various soggy things today.
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Live, from the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia, it's Responsible Government in Action.

I'm just going to open up a vein now. [Yipee]

Mmmm, political fix....

As one of the three proponents of proportional representation, I will watch this with much interest. But has anyone else noted the affirmation of regal authority, when the Lieutenant Governor declined Premier Christy Clark's advice to dissolve the House?
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
But has anyone else noted the affirmation of regal authority, when the Lieutenant Governor declined Premier Christy Clark's advice to dissolve the House? [/QB]

I did note, and was much pleased; and, contrary to the opinion of our republicans, the exercise of regal authority was not The End of Days. The Sun rose, the birds sang, and democracy carried on. It affirmed Bagehot's dictum that its power lies in its restraint. When so rarely used, it is powerful, and in this instance, it seems to have been generally respected. I hope that Horgan's performance justifies the display.

I take issue with your position on proportional representation, but this is probably not the place for that discussion. Perhaps I'll PM you, because I am genuinely interested in your thoughts.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
I was pleased to see the BC decision. As for proportional representation, it appears to be a buffet of ideas, perhaps a worthy thread in itsrlf
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Live, from the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia, it's Responsible Government in Action.

I'm just going to open up a vein now. [Yipee]

Mmmm, political fix....

As one of the three proponents of proportional representation, I will watch this with much interest. But has anyone else noted the affirmation of regal authority, when the Lieutenant Governor declined Premier Christy Clark's advice to dissolve the House?
Quite, as I watched the vote/trip to the LG live, and Ms. Clarke's final meeting took far longer than expected. Her statement at the end was unusual, to say the least, and rather graceless.

Though as for the Proportional Representation thing, my dear Augustine, have you not seen the Ontario and Federal NDP platforms lately?

I admit a proprietary interest in this, I am the president of my local NDP riding association. [Two face]
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
Happy Canada Day, one and all, and I hope you're having better weather wherever you are than we are.

I'm messing about on here while waiting to go and watch the fireworks, and anticipate getting jolly wet.

We only ask for one nice day in the year, and it pours with rain ... [Frown]
 
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :
 
Late to the party, but Happy Canada Day to you all! We had decent weather for celebrations... and no mosquitoes! [Yipee]
 
Posted by Gee D (# 13815) on :
 
Can anyone please explain the large rubber duck in Toronto, said to be part of the celebrations? It looks in the same class as the gigantic inflatable whale which, at great cost, hovered over Canberra as a part of some similar celebration - but at least that was a reminder of so much hot air in that city.
 
Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :
 
I saw a rather hilarious meme that suggested you should not trust Greeks bearing gifts... Better keep an eye on that duck.

[ 03. July 2017, 15:26: Message edited by: Lamb Chopped ]
 
Posted by Nicolemr (# 28) on :
 
Also a bit late, but Happy Canada Day.
 
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gee D:
Can anyone please explain the large rubber duck in Toronto, said to be part of the celebrations? It looks in the same class as the gigantic inflatable whale which, at great cost, hovered over Canberra as a part of some similar celebration - but at least that was a reminder of so much hot air in that city.

There are at least two versions of that duck making the global rounds. One of them was in Seoul a few years back, on the dime of Lotte, one of the major conglomerates over here. The theory was that the company was trying to generate some feel-good vibes after the tower they were building got mired in controversy over safety.

Korea Times

As for the duck's appearance at Canada Day, while I am not a petty-minded xenophobe by any stretch, I really don't see the point in having the festivities for your national holiday adorned with a generic attraction bearing no particular relation to your country.

[ 03. July 2017, 15:52: Message edited by: Stetson ]
 
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stetson:
As for the duck's appearance at Canada Day, while I am not a petty-minded xenophobe by any stretch, I really don't see the point in having the festivities for your national holiday adorned with a generic attraction bearing no particular relation to your country.

I was hoping that one of our GTA shipmates might chime in on this! However - and this is strictly from my POV, YMMV, etc. - the fact that it is billed (heh) as The World's Largest Rubber Duck is the reason why it was used. Toronto seems to have a desperate need to be recognized as a "world class city." Civic officials are happy to play along with this weird insecurity. It could have been The World's Largest Anything, as long as it got the craved attention and reassured the populace that yes indeed, Toronto is a world class city. There's something both gauche and endearing about this... like a metropolitan version of "Waiting for Guffman."
 
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Leaf:
quote:
Originally posted by Stetson:
As for the duck's appearance at Canada Day, while I am not a petty-minded xenophobe by any stretch, I really don't see the point in having the festivities for your national holiday adorned with a generic attraction bearing no particular relation to your country.

I was hoping that one of our GTA shipmates might chime in on this! However - and this is strictly from my POV, YMMV, etc. - the fact that it is billed (heh) as The World's Largest Rubber Duck is the reason why it was used. Toronto seems to have a desperate need to be recognized as a "world class city." Civic officials are happy to play along with this weird insecurity. It could have been The World's Largest Anything, as long as it got the craved attention and reassured the populace that yes indeed, Toronto is a world class city. There's something both gauche and endearing about this... like a metropolitan version of "Waiting for Guffman."
And the most delicious part of that is that the most attention they've ever gotten from the outside world was entirely due to the exploits of a certain deceased mayor.

Though in fairness to Hogtown, I have to say that short-man syndrome is a common feature of many second-and-third ranked municipalities. When Mordecai Richeler visited Edmonton in the mid-80s, and wrote a New Yorker piece mocking the city for whatever things he found mockable about it, the local booster contingent went ballistic, and there were actually demands made for city council to do something about the affront. The common refrain was that being lambasted in the New Yorker would be bad for tourism, as if the average reader of that magazine had been flipping a coin between Paris and Edmonton for his next holiday sojourn.

A couple of years later, emotional compensation arrived in the form of an Atlanta Journal- Constitution travel-writer praising Edmonton after a visit there. The article was duly framed and displayed in a transit station under the heading EDMONTON: ATLANTA LOVES US!

[ 04. July 2017, 00:30: Message edited by: Stetson ]
 
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
The BC wildfire situation is getting nastier. Most upsetting for those who followed the evacuation of Fort McMurray in Alberta. The report on the news was that 10,000 people displaced, And many more likely to come,

[Tear]
 
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gee D:
Can anyone please explain the large rubber duck in Toronto, said to be part of the celebrations? It looks in the same class as the gigantic inflatable whale which, at great cost, hovered over Canberra as a part of some similar celebration - but at least that was a reminder of so much hot air in that city.

A bit late to this (work got busier early)

The family went down. After a few selfies, indicated it was all great fun. I saw it from a distance on the streetcar and it was surrounded by people. Lots of people, lots of pictures. Made the money spent back in taxes at least 10 fold.

In essence, it was a folly and we all laughed and enjoyed the day.

The waterfront in Toronto in that area has been transformed into something actually enjoyable. There is this persistent idea, mostly put out by people who only drive into Toronto, that the Lake is cut off from the city. Its all nonsense. Walk south of Front 5 minutes and you are at the Lake and can walk along all the way from out near the Don to Ontario Place and then out right to the Humber. Its over 10km of lakeshore perfectly accessible by transit.


I take the streetcar from Union to BMO field to watch TFC games and love the views.

There are 3 things Toronto has that have developed in spite of itself.

The Waterfront
The Ravines
The Inner Suburb stip malls with their ethnic mom and pop shop stores

Every city has its interesting bits - just have to get past the tourist areas to find them
 
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on :
 
The amount of rainfall around here this summer has been quite unnecessary, and really, Something Ought To Be Done About It. Nearly a month ago we narrowly escaped having the house flooded by the quick action of the local firemen with their sandbags, and yesterday there was a deluge the like of which only the ancients could remember. OK - I exaggerate a little, but only a little. If God would like to rearrange the water and drop some on places that need it more than we do, like the forest fires in the west, it would be most helpful to both communities.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
I've often thought that a fairer redistribution of raindrops round the planet would make it a much happier place.
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
A friend of mine and I were having a drink, and he (who loathes Justin Trudeau) said that the world mocks Trudeau. I said, "Uh, no. You hate him, but that doesn't mean that the world mocks him." I read American, British, French, and (rarely) German news websites, and while there are flippant references to his bright smile and fabulous hair, I wouldn't call it mockery. The only outrightly hostile coverage I recall was from a Brasilian newspaper during an (aerospace?) trade dispute.

For those who expose themselves(!) to foreign media, especially in languages other than the above, what has the tenor been? (This is NOT an invitation to political discussion - I'm interested only in the media coverage.)
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
I read American, British, French, and (rarely) German news websites, and while there are flippant references to his bright smile and fabulous hair, I wouldn't call it mockery.

And his socks!
[Yipee]
 
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
FWIW, junior is all style and little substance.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
FWIW, junior is all style and little substance.

which works well for those who don't have to live under his [cough, cough] leadership.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
A friend of mine and I were having a drink, and he (who loathes Justin Trudeau) said that the world mocks Trudeau. I said, "Uh, no. You hate him, but that doesn't mean that the world mocks him." I read American, British, French, and (rarely) German news websites, and while there are flippant references to his bright smile and fabulous hair, I wouldn't call it mockery. The only outrightly hostile coverage I recall was from a Brasilian newspaper during an (aerospace?) trade dispute.

For those who expose themselves(!) to foreign media, especially in languages other than the above, what has the tenor been? (This is NOT an invitation to political discussion - I'm interested only in the media coverage.)

This was in our morning paper. So the local small town paper is reporting on Rolling Stone. Never a dull moment here! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Huia (# 3473) on :
 
NZ Newspapers are pretty pathetic on overseas news and commentary. Trump is mentioned, Brexit and other news from the UK, but the only time I remember reading about Justin Trudeau was when he met Ivanka Trump. I remember feeling positive about Pierre Trudeau for his reported comment* about the law having no business in the bedrooms of the nation, but I only found out that Justin had been elected from a comment on the Ship.

* I may have got that wrong - it was a long time ago, especially for someone who has difficulty remembering where she put her glasses 10 minutes ago [Roll Eyes]

Huia
 
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
When then Minister of Justice Pierre Trudeau introduced legislation to remove the practice of homosexuality from the Criminal Code he declared "The State has no place in the bedrooms of the nation"
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
Traffic in the Nation's Capital came to a standstill last night as the giant mechanical dragons went walkabout. This, by the way, is strictly correct reporting.
 
Posted by HenryT (# 3722) on :
 
Greetings - I wondered if anyone here would know and be willing to PM me the current Canadian Guild of Church Organists "occasional/supply" price. This is not given publically, but my Parish Council wants some idea of what it might cost.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
HenryT - I'll check up with D. - he might know.

eta:

He's just come in - do you mean the Royal Canadian College of Organists?

Their web-site lists fees for weddings and funerals, although it doesn't specify rates for supply organists.

Rates may depend on the size of the church, and the complexity of the music that is expected.

[ 29. July 2017, 00:49: Message edited by: Piglet ]
 
Posted by HenryT (# 3722) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:
... do you mean the Royal Canadian College of Organists?

Their web-site lists fees for weddings and funerals, although it doesn't specify rates for supply organists.

...

That's quite handy, thank you!
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
Saskatoon is flooding. East side of the city has streets with 12-18" in them and it's going into basements. Power is back on after 4 hours. Told to stay at home.

Storm which turned street into a river this morning, another more thunderous one just ended. More on the way.
 
Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :
 
G'day Canada.
Trying to get into your beautiful country, and was told at the airport I needed an eTA. Looking online, I applied here.
Advise your friends and loved ones not to do likewise. It charges over $100 and did not sort out my eTA in time for the flight.
Applied properly this morning, for $7, and got confirmation within a minute. All of which would have prevented a lot of pain last night.
Hoping to be with you among the mooses soon enough, eh?
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
Oops. Sorry. There are a lot of fraudsters out there. Hope you visit gets better.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
I miss summer. [Frown]

CBC
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
Actually, the summer has been fine, for me, in Toronto. Not too hot (cf last year), most days 24-30C. The rain, well, OK for me. My friend who lives on one of the islands, less good for him (though looks dashing in his wellies, astride his sand bags).
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
Crisse de maudit calisse de tabarnak d'esti!* Duffy sues for $7.8m in damages?!? Has the man no shame? (Rhetorical question.) Pound of flesh, or has he debts to pay off and Nigel ("his close friend") is no longer writing cheques?

Part of the suit relies on being subjected to public ridicule. Breathtaking. Does anyone recall his treatment of politicians when he was a journalist? Ridicule was oft his stock in trade.

Duffy, decrisse, la.*

Apologies to the Hosts... Untranslatable in any meaningful way. Expressions in vulgar colloquial Canadian French of extreme anger, ending with an invitation to fornicate elsewhere.
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
Taberwette, I exclaimed, when I heard the Duffy coverage on my radio as I walked to the Parkdale market yesterday. When I mentioned it to my strawberry booth seller, she began her comments with a "sacrifice de calisse!" before noting that he had plenty to live on before he needed to cash his next paycheque (Senator Duffy is known for his weightloss efforts, somewhat dented by diary references to eating too many candy bars).

French Canadian cursing is an art form in itself, and reflects many generations of catechesis.
 
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
Isn't Puffy double dipping the Senate? Drawing a copious salary representing his constituency of IPE and disrespecting the Senate and the Arsy MP?

That guy needs a brain scan (if they can find it). I will never, ever forget the way he treated Margaret Trudeau on the Hill when her husband was lying in State. He reminded her it was the anniversary of the day her youngest son died. She collapsed in tears, and he never adequately apologised.

I hope the Ontario Superior Court throws the case out as frivolous and vexatious. At least the Senate will soon retire him.

Tabernac! Calisse!
 
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
Taberwette, I exclaimed, when I heard the Duffy coverage on my radio as I walked to the Parkdale market yesterday. When I mentioned it to my strawberry booth seller, she began her comments with a "sacrifice de calisse!" before noting that he had plenty to live on before he needed to cash his next paycheque (Senator Duffy is known for his weightloss efforts, somewhat dented by diary references to eating too many candy bars).

French Canadian cursing is an art form in itself, and reflects many generations of catechesis.

It can even be bilingual. There was Gilbert, a fine old Quebecois mechanic at Canadair whose most frequent exclamation was, "Shit la merde!" I find it useful to this day.
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
Re: frivolous and vexatious. I saw Lawrence Greenspon (the Duffster's lawyer) interviewed by Rosemary Barton on Power and Politics on Thursday, and despite making the appropriate sounds, he seemed, at base, unconvinced of his own case.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
We expect first frost tonight. Tomatoes coming in. The zucchini can fend for themselves.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
Talking of weather (as we so often are), in the five or six months that we were without TV, the Weather Channel seems to have changed its format for the 10-minute forecasts, and very much not for the better.

I live in Fredericton, and 99% of the time I couldn't give a flying **** what the weather's like in Moncton, Saint John or even Oromocto, but the scrolling weather reports at the bottom of the screen seem to roll from one place to another, but without keeping the name of the place they're talking about visible, so you see "20°" and then realise they're actually talking about somewhere several miles away.

What I do care about is (a) when it's going to start raining here (which they used to tell us with reasonable accuracy); and (b) how humid it's going to be here (so that I know whether I want to go beyond the range of the nearest air-conditioning unit).

Is it just here that they've messed it about, or is it everywhere?

disgruntled piglet [Mad]
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:
...

Is it just here that they've messed it about, or is it everywhere?

disgruntled piglet [Mad]

Don't know if you have cable or not, but here in Ottawa, we have two weather channels on Rogers. 021 is mostly local, and 586 is more regional and national.

I usually just use the weather app on my smart phone.
 
Posted by Moo (# 107) on :
 
I use the Weather Underground website. You can set it to get your local forecast, as well as giving information on hurricanes, etc.

Moo
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
Wishing everyone a happy Thanksgiving weekend. [Smile]
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
Happy Thanksgiving!!
 
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on :
 
Happy Thanksgiving to my Canadian Shipmates.
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
My fellow shipmates, I bear dark and terrible news. The Law Society of Upper Canada, one of the oldest professional body in Canada, established 1797, has voted to change its name. To what, we don't know, but the 'Upper Canada' will be gone.

[Eek!] [Waterworks]

Is Outrage!

The only thing in Ontario older than the LSUC, still in its original form, is the original Mace of Upper Canada.
 
Posted by marsupial. (# 12458) on :
 
(Reply to SPK)

I kind of liked the old name, but apparently nobody outside the practice of law had any idea what it actually meant.

There are a number of replacement names being floated including Law Society of Ontario.

[ 18. October 2017, 02:42: Message edited by: marsupial. ]
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
This is the first that I've heard of this. Is there a source I can read about LSUC's identity change? That's a shame. What's the rationale? To what good end? What are the candidate names?

So what if no one outside the profession knew what it meant? The general public had little reason to know, and it's not as though it was a strategy for LSUC to hide in plain sight.

Baaaah!
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
If it is in Ontario, then using the word Ontario seems entirely appropriate. We have all sorts of anachronisms in Canada. It's okay to make these understandable. I see Ontario dispensed with QC designations, other provinces have not all followed suit. I take it is sort of like lawyer sainthood.

On other news, in Qu'Appelle there were hurricane force winds overnight. Still many power outages and lots of damage. Qu'Appelle being anachronistic for southern Saskatchewan and the name of the Anglican diocese.
 
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on :
 
Many of us in the Maritimes still refer to Ontario as Upper Canada.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
We call Ontario "eastern Canada".
 
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on :
 
Which annoys Atlantic Canadians a great deal.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
We say Maritimes,for, I'm afraid, the three maritime provinces and Newfoundland all lumped together. And no-one ever says "Newfoundland and Labrador". I do have a niece who lives in Freddy, which I understand from her may be local parlance for Fredricton.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
"The Maritimes" refers to NS, NB and PEI. To include N&L, one uses "The Atlantic Provinces".
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
As someone who's lived in Newfoundland and New Brunswick, my understanding of the Maritimes is what Sharkshooter said (although I suppose being an island makes Newfoundland quite "maritime").

As a foreigner, though, I'm a bit sketchy about what exactly is meant by "Upper Canada" and would be grateful for enlightenment.

I agree with Caissa about "Eastern Canada" referring to Ontario - there's at least 1,000 miles of Canada further east than that! It's a bit like when an Orcadian hears people referring to Aberdeen or Inverness as "north" when they're plainly south ... [Devil]
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
Upper Canada is the former name for Ontario, from 1791 to 1841. As lawyers are the world's second oldest profession, they have little need to take note of trivial details like Confederation.

Upper Canada became Canada West in the unhappy Province of Canada in 1941, and became Ontario in 1867.
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Upper Canada is the former name for Ontario, from 1791 to 1841. As lawyers are the world's second oldest profession, they have little need to take note of trivial details like Confederation.

Upper Canada became Canada West in the unhappy Province of Canada in 1941, and became Ontario in 1867.

Curiously enough, they haven't decided what to call the law society. Perhaps, as with a certain Minnesotan musician, it will be known as the Law Society formerly associated with Upper Canada. This article provides further information for the curious. It seems that the Star's legendarily bolshevik readership opposed the change 69% over 30%.

One of my Algonquin contacts naughtily referred to this as yet another bold and agonizing step toward reconciliation characterized by irrelevance. I couldn't possibly comment.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
Like my sig says. I'm in the province of Buffalo. Damn Wilfred Laurier! No "sir" though = anachronism.

The centre of the country geographically is somewhere near Brandon, Manitoba. It's all perspective isn't it? I'm reminded of the Christmas carol "People Look East" and the wiseacre who piped up with can't we look west?
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
The Star? Bolshie? [Killing me]

I'm the president of an NDP Riding Association, the Star doesn't even move the needle on the meter.
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
The Star? Bolshie? [Killing me]

I'm the president of an NDP Riding Association, the Star doesn't even move the needle on the meter.

I simply quote a statement by a former staff member in the office of the Hon James Moore, onetime (Conservative) Minister of Canadian Heritage. His febrile tones underlined his sense of conviction on this.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
Are the NDP in Ontario the same genus but different species than they are in Sask and Alberta? They resemble Liberals here. And the BC Liberals are actually Conservatives says my kid who lives there.
 
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on :
 
Tangentially on things anachronistic, I took advantage of the glorious weather yesterday afternoon to clear my head after a difficult number of days by taking a stroll through the cemetery of St James-the-Less, and on my desultory path happened upon the crypts of Gzowski, Jarvis, the grave of Howland, etc., as well as a Macedonian section. Very Canadian.

I have to agree with SPK's the assessment of The Star as "bolshie" - it's typical, hank-wringing mushy what-passes-for-left. That said, I am surprised that such a large proportion of the readership would oppose the name change for the LSUC. I like the creeky, musty air of it. I wallow in it when I have lunch at Osgoode Hall. (Which I recommend to all - open to the public with a reservation, very nice room, and the food is quite good. Lunch only.)
 
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Are the NDP in Ontario the same genus but different species than they are in Sask and Alberta?

The short answer is yes.

I'm smiling at the remarks about the Toronto Star. The most outrageous capitalist I ever knew personally - the kind of person who thinks he's hard done by because it's illegal to horsewhip his employees - referred to the Star as "that communist newspaper" with a tone of utter contempt.

However, I'm here to complain about Mother Corporation's ceaseless grinding of the bones of Gord Downie to make her bread. Seriously. Why, CBC?? I mean, he was a talented guy, but the amount of airtime and hype would embarrass the Kardashians. All programming cancelled for two hours of Tragically Hip music? The evening news beginning with the sombre intonation, "Gord Downie is dead. The nation swells with grief and gratitude..." Even the sports reporter must have been directed to find some link, which turned out to be "uh... hockey is as Canadian as the music of Gord Downie... uh...?" It turns out that in spite of all the airtime devoted to him today as well, he's still dead.

If you are reading this and you are a loved one or fan of Mr. Downie, note that he has my respect. But some Vice President at CBC needs a big dose of perspective.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:
...

As a foreigner, though, I'm a bit sketchy about what exactly is meant by "Upper Canada" and would be grateful for enlightenment.

I agree with Caissa about "Eastern Canada" referring to Ontario - there's at least 1,000 miles of Canada further east than that! ...

I think the early explorers thought they were travelling north when they went inland, so Quebec was Lower Canada and Ontario was Upper Canada.

Ontario and Quebec are now often referred to as Central Canada. I have never heard of Ontario being called Eastern Canada - but then, I've never lived west of the Ontario/Manitoba border.
 
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :
 
No Prophet wrote:

quote:
And the BC Liberals are actually Conservatives says my kid who lives there.

Yes, they are not just right-leaning pro-business Liberals, in the manner of, say, John Turner. They are actually the re-grouping of the old Social Credit party and its electoral base.

In their throne speech a while back, the BC Liberals actually attacked successive Alberta governments from the right, including the claim that the NDP's carbon-tax is bad for the economy.
 
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :
 
Leaf wrote:

quote:
However, I'm here to complain about Mother Corporation's ceaseless grinding of the bones of Gord Downie to make her bread. Seriously. Why, CBC?? I mean, he was a talented guy, but the amount of airtime and hype would embarrass the Kardashians. All programming cancelled for two hours of Tragically Hip music? The evening news beginning with the sombre intonation, "Gord Downie is dead. The nation swells with grief and gratitude..." Even the sports reporter must have been directed to find some link, which turned out to be "uh... hockey is as Canadian as the music of Gord Downie... uh...?" It turns out that in spite of all the airtime devoted to him today as well, he's still dead.

I think CBC's mandate(official or otherwise) to promote Canadian culture leads to a certain amount of bandwagon jumping. If something has managed to get itself talked up as "typically Canadian", CBC jumps in and tries to lead the parade.

Since his medical diagnosis a while back, Downie has sort of been the Canadiana flavour-of-the-month. So, CBC's right on it.

And the hockey parallel is a little off-base, since his lyrics about hockey(the iconic '72 Russia match no less) in Fireworks are actually quite dismissive. But, probably a lot of people just read it as "The Hip!! Singing about hockey!! What could be more Canadian!!"

Fireworks
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
... I have never heard of Ontario being called Eastern Canada ...

Isn't their time zone called Eastern?

I think it was on the Weather Channel that I heard them referring to parts of Ontario as "eastern Canada" and thought, "really???"

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
I think the early explorers thought they were travelling north when they went inland, so Quebec was Lower Canada and Ontario was Upper Canada.

How did these "explorers" ever find their way if they didn't know the sun rises in the east and sets in the west? Or by "upper" did they perhaps mean "upstream" on the Saint Lawrence River?
 
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
They did.
 
Posted by Moo (# 107) on :
 
In Ireland, the terms 'upper' and 'lower' refer to proximity to Dublin. Thus Lower Ballinderry is a bit closer to Dublin than Upper Ballinderry.

That type of naming system may also have been adopted in Canada, although I can't suggest what the Canadian reference point might have been.

Moo
 
Posted by Salicional (# 16461) on :
 
Having grown up on the west coast, I can confirm that we refer to everything east of Winnipeg as 'Eastern Canada'.

Until you've had the opportunity to drive from the Pacific to the Atlantic or vice versa, it's hard to fathom just how wide the country actually is!
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Salicional:
... it's hard to fathom just how wide the country actually is!

When we were leaving Belfast to move to Newfoundland, a friend's mother (who was then in the early stages of Alzheimer's) said, "you're moving to Canada - you must get in touch with Jack [her twin brother] - he lives in Vancouver". I don't think we ever quite managed to make her understand that we'd actually be further from Jack than we were from her.

It's a big country. [Smile]
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
As a youngster I was puzzled over the Lower and Upper Canada descriptors as, looking at a map, Lower Canada was above Upper Canada. Miss Stewart, who could teach Responsible Government to a brick wall (and, given some of my classmates...) told me that it was because Tadoussac, Québec, Trois Rivières etc, were lowest in elevation from the height of land, and the Saint Lawrence River beyond Montréal was upper in elevation, and heading toward the height of land.

Given that Canada was, until recent times, approached from the Atlantic Ocean, this had a certain archaic logic to it.

As far as the Star is concerned, I can also quote Tommy Douglas from my cafeteria lunch with him a mere 35 years ago, who mentioned inter alia that "the Star was always a fair paper," even if he liked the (now extinct) Telegraph better. The Globe he dismissed as written by and for the people who thought they ran the country.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
I think the early explorers thought they were travelling north when they went inland, so Quebec was Lower Canada and Ontario was Upper Canada.

How did these "explorers" ever find their way if they didn't know the sun rises in the east and sets in the west? Or by "upper" did they perhaps mean "upstream" on the Saint Lawrence River?
Perhaps I should have used [Smile] to show I wasn't serious. [Smile]
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
...

As far as the Star is concerned, I can also quote Tommy Douglas from my cafeteria lunch with him a mere 35 years ago, who mentioned inter alia that "the Star was always a fair paper," even if he liked the (now extinct) Telegraph better.

Perhaps it used to be.

I'm pretty sure all newspapers in Canada are significantly biased these days.
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
I think the early explorers thought they were travelling north when they went inland, so Quebec was Lower Canada and Ontario was Upper Canada.

How did these "explorers" ever find their way if they didn't know the sun rises in the east and sets in the west? Or by "upper" did they perhaps mean "upstream" on the Saint Lawrence River?
Perhaps I should have used [Smile] to show I wasn't serious. [Smile]
Forum postings anywhere are traps when trying to be lighthearted. But we will survive somehow!

About newspapers-- I tend to agree. Some are better for providing certain sorts of information, which is why I sweat through the Saturday Le Devoir as it has the best religious and cultural coverage in Canada-- I recall sociologist Michael Adams noting that, with about 3-4 million Canadians in church/synagogue/temple on a weekend, there was almost no coverage at all. However, the approximately 80,000-100,000 watching sports that week could count on 6-12 pages daily. I am getting less convinced about my daily subscription to the Globe, but enjoy retirement and sitting on the deck with my cup of yergacheffe and reading the paper under the baleful gaze of the neighbours' cats.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
... The Globe he dismissed as written by and for the people who thought they ran the country.

The British equivalent of that view was beautifully summarised in the 1980s sitcom Yes, Prime Minister

[Smile]
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
... I am getting less convinced about my daily subscription to the Globe, but enjoy retirement and sitting on the deck with my cup of yergacheffe and reading the paper under the baleful gaze of the neighbours' cats.

Retirement is good.
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
... I am getting less convinced about my daily subscription to the Globe, but enjoy retirement and sitting on the deck with my cup of yergacheffe and reading the paper under the baleful gaze of the neighbours' cats.

Retirement is good.
When I was re-entering the public service after 8 months out (o praise the gods of reorganization!), the pay clerk was trying to explain to me the benefits of buying back my former time. I really didn't understand, and he saw this. To save time and my cerebellum, he said that I should just trust him, and 20 years from now, I would thank him. I did. I do.
 
Posted by HenryT (# 3722) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
... As lawyers are the world's second oldest profession, ...

I've often gone with the "who do you think created the chaos?" theory of the antiquity of the legal profession.
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
-2C with a wind chill of -5C this morning. Can't wait to get out of here!
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
I'm on a different page re winter: love it. Dump of 15cm in 2 days here. -7°C, beautiful bright sun. Went out on fat tire bike earlier and just kneaded bread and getting ready to go skiing.

Just use your imagination!
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
First snow- two construction workers in shorts keep on working.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
No sn*w here yet: it was still hitting the high teens Centigrade in the last couple of days. Cooler today, and now hovering around +1°.

Any sn*w that you get, feel free to keep it to yourselves. [Snigger]
 
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on :
 
Rain has stopped. Hopefully the sun will come out like the foreguessers say. I'm hopeful for a round of golf today.
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
I think you must have sent your rain our way - it's moist and rather dreich here.

17°, but moist and rather dreich ... [Ultra confused]
 
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on :
 
Surfacing back up after 4 months of the extremely seasonal job to wish everybody a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
 
Posted by Meg the Red (# 11838) on :
 
Surfacing back after rather longer to wish you all a joyous Christmas [Axe murder]
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Merry Christmas to both of you!

Going to be a big storm here so am up early to get ready to head Up West for the day and likely for the night too. Taking my sewing and crochet work with me and a new book. Should be nice.

Hope everyone enjoys the day/season and all the best for 2018!
 
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
Happy Christmas et bonne année!
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
Merry Christmas to one and all, from a snowy Fredericton, where it's -10°, and snowing with increasing determination.

Stay safe if you're travelling, and all the best! [Smile]
 


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