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Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
At last! We've made the Malton and Pickering Mercury.

[Cool]

[ 22. April 2008, 15:38: Message edited by: Ancient Mariner ]
 
Posted by Rossweisse (# 2349) on :
 
I particularly liked the fact that the reporter got a quote from "Malton Town Cllr [Councillor?] Michael Beckett." That's covering all the bases!

Ross
 
Posted by John Donne (# 220) on :
 
That's a nicely written piece of copy I reckon!

Engaging, succinct and informative about MW and factual about SoF. (Remember SoF when ya get to The Times, buddy lol)
 
Posted by Foaming Draught (# 9134) on :
 
And Erin's made the Brisbane Times.

FD [Biased]
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
I like the summary, "its aim to help Christians be self-critical and honest about their faith."
 
Posted by Rossweisse (# 2349) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Foaming Draught:
And Erin's made the Brisbane Times.

What a nice smile from Our Erin! [Big Grin] Good spotting, FD!

Ross
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Canadian Christianity (bottom right)
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Inspire do album covers.

(They gave us the idea in the first place [Overused] )
 
Posted by Jonathan Strange (# 11001) on :
 
Telegraph, although a fleeting blink-and-you-could-miss-it mention...
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
This is rather old (October 2007) but I just stumbled across it: a blog entry on Mystery Worshipper on the site Church Marketing Sucks. (Don'tcha love that name?)
 
Posted by John Donne (# 220) on :
 
Any publicity is good publicity, right?
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by John Donne:
Any publicity is good publicity, right?

That is some funny shit [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by John Donne:
Any publicity is good publicity, right?

[Overused] [Cool] [Overused]
 
Posted by Rossweisse (# 2349) on :
 
That is quite wonderful. Who is the perpetrator?

(My favorite line is the one addressed to the weeping Comet.)

Ross
 
Posted by Grits (# 4169) on :
 
I was wondering when and if someone was going to post this. Some of us got a heads up early on.
 
Posted by John Donne (# 220) on :
 
I am not the originator, I hasten to add! (In case the bow-smilies were for me) Just found it a very well done piece in terms of comedic and satiric devices and thought it worth being seen by the wider audience.

Evidence you've made it: the vehicle of satire is satirised.
 
Posted by Ags (# 204) on :
 
There was an interview this morning on BBC Southern Counties Radio with our esteemed Captain and another Shipmate. Part of a series on the Internet and Spirituality, it can be found about 50 mins into the programme.
Short but sweet!

eta but not a patch on that wonderful youtube post! [Big Grin]

[ 04. May 2008, 13:17: Message edited by: Ags ]
 
Posted by bonabri (# 304) on :
 
You even get a picture in the Church Times

Not sure about the Church Check offer talked of later in the article though. Have these people never heard of the Mystery Worshipper .. although obviously they have and are commercialising the concept.
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
As has been reported here previously, Church Check is a project inspired by our own MW project. It even shared the name in the trials of the service (with our permission).
 
Posted by bonabri (# 304) on :
 
Drat - I must don my aqualung and venture into the archives.

[Hot and Hormonal]
 
Posted by Simon (# 1) on :
 
The Bishop of Arizona, no less, has blogged about the Mystery Worshipper, linking to five of the "clever write-ups" we've published on his patch.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Rowan and the Rowenas hit Church Times.
 
Posted by lowlands_boy (# 12497) on :
 
The ship makes it onto The BBC magazine pages today. But I guess the H&A's already knew that [Biased]
 
Posted by Robert Armin (# 182) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
quote:
Originally posted by John Donne:
Any publicity is good publicity, right?

[Overused] [Cool] [Overused]
The video has disappeared! Does anyone know how to find it again?
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Rowena and Rowan get Inspired.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
Rowena and Rowan get Inspired.

Nice article! I especially like:
quote:
the webzine and online community attracts readers more interested in searching questions than simplistic answers.


 
Posted by East Price Road (# 13846) on :
 
There's an amusing little story here from the Independent on Sunday.

(Second item down)

[ 24. July 2008, 19:33: Message edited by: East Price Road ]
 
Posted by Pheonix (# 2782) on :
 
My wife has informed me there is an article mentioning the Ship of Fools in either the current or previous readers digest... I'll check which and the page num.
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
A pdf of the article The Funniest Stuff on the Net is available. We make page 3 of the pdf
quote:
SHIPOFFOOLS.COM
Christian-run website poking gentle fun at elements of the Church. Includes a guide to religious souvenirs (check out the nodding Pope
Benedict), chat group “John Calvin’s News Round” and a magical clip of John Dale of the First United Methodist Church, Illinois, trying to sing a medley of “Christ the Lord is Risen Today” and “That’s Amoré”.


 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Be upstanding for the Dunnville Chronicle.
 
Posted by cattyish (# 7829) on :
 
Aww... the Dunnville Chronicle is lovely. [Smile]
 
Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :
 
The Nashville Tennessean has a piece about mystery worshipping, both paid and volunteer (i.e., Ship of Fools). Some of the comments that follow have some interesting points to make about megachurches.
 
Posted by Drifting Star (# 12799) on :
 
Good article, but who is Simon Goddard? [Paranoid]
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Drifting Star:
Good article, but who is Simon Goddard? [Paranoid]

He's Ship of Fool's newest merger, much like GM and Chrysler, as an economic measure.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Our esteemed Cap'n got up early to guest on the following BBC stations on Sunday morning (2 Nov) talking about the US elections - and particularly our home page coverage of Barack Obama.

Anyone hear him?

0700 Cambridge
0710 Stoke
0720 Tees
0730 West Midlands
0740 Norfolk
0750 Leicester
0800 London
0810 Oxford
0820 Newcastle
0830 Coventry & Warwick
0840 Berkshire
0850 Shropshire
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
I got all excited because in the teaser for an LA TV station 11 PM news they said they'd have a piece on "Mystery Worshipers". They did, and it was a long one. But they only covered a professional service with no mention of where the term originated. Bloody plagiarists.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
I awoke with a start while lazily listening to Terry Wogan last week - for he mentioned Ancient Mariner. Unfortunately, it didn't seem to be our Ancient Mariner (unless he's moonlighting again [Paranoid] ).
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Beejabers - sorry, it wasn't oi.
 
Posted by Dafyd (# 5549) on :
 
I'm surprised that Steve Tomkins on the Guardian website seems to have been missed so far.

No doubt someone will point out to me that there's a link in the banner headline.
 
Posted by Nightlamp (# 266) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by East Price Road:
There's an amusing little story here from the Independent on Sunday.

(Second item down)

I recently found this. Good old stories never die they are just re-worked to death. In 10 years time it will reported as something new when David Peters moves next. Mind you it still is the oddest mystery worshipper story.
 
Posted by Pugin (# 57) on :
 
tut
 
Posted by Hooker's Trick (# 89) on :
 
SoF makes it to Page 3 of the St Paul's K Street newsletter.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Hooker's Trick:
SoF makes it to Page 3 of the St Paul's K Street newsletter.

And a well-written piece, to boot.

[Smile]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Car crash carols makes the Daily Telegraph (online).
 
Posted by Simon (# 1) on :
 
As far as we can tell, the 12 Days of Kitschmas will get a reference (and picture) on Have I Got News For You tonight (BBC One, 9pm).
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Car crash carols in Newspost, India.
 
Posted by Nightlamp (# 266) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Simon:
As far as we can tell, the 12 Days of Kitschmas will get a reference (and picture) on Have I Got News For You tonight (BBC One, 9pm).

The Jesus mug was featured but it's orignin was not mentioned.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Telegraph article covered in Australia's The Age.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Shipmate Ruth G covers Car crash carols in the The Times.
 
Posted by Auntie Doris (# 9433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
Shipmate Ruth G covers Car crash carols in the The Times.

So did William Crawley.

Auntie Doris x
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Also Washington Times and Thaindian News and Yahoo News India.

[ 15. December 2008, 07:55: Message edited by: Ancient Mariner ]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
See Newser too (which is news to me)
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
For those in Northern Ireland (or listening on the web) I will be on Sunday Sequence, BBC Radio Ulster this Sunday (21 Dec) talking car crash carols at approx 8.45am.

[ 19. December 2008, 15:14: Message edited by: Ancient Mariner ]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Link to the BBC Radio Ulster interview here - titled 'a festive car crash'.

[Cool]
 
Posted by Peter Owen (# 134) on :
 
Ancient Mariner was also interviewed about car crash carols on Radio Merseyside this morning.

Daybreak

The interview starts at 2 hours 24 minutes 30 seconds.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Car crash goes BBC tomorrow. Look out for interviews on the following stations:

6.50am - BBC Radio 5 Live (Ancient Mariner)
7.20am - BBC Radio Wales (Simon)
7.25am - BBC Radio Northants (Ancient Mariner)
8.25am - BBC Radio Newcastle (Ancient Mariner)

We also expect a feature on BBC Radio 4's Today programme - not sure what time.
 
Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :
 
hmmm, I always get wakened early am and turn on Five Live! So I may hear this interview! All the best, both of you!
 
Posted by Sarkycow (# 1012) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SusanDoris:
I expect all UK members have just been listening to 'Today' on BBC Radio 4! Around 07:45 there was quite a long item about carol words, mentioning SoF quite a lot, complete with interview ... but I didn't catch the name of the SoF member who spoke.


 
Posted by Rev per Minute (# 69) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sarkycow:
quote:
Originally posted by SusanDoris:
I expect all UK members have just been listening to 'Today' on BBC Radio 4! Around 07:45 there was quite a long item about carol words, mentioning SoF quite a lot, complete with interview ... but I didn't catch the name of the SoF member who spoke.


That was Steve - Ancient Mariner. Good piece too.
 
Posted by Moth (# 2589) on :
 
Nice work on the Today programme!
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
See Kent Online
 
Posted by Rev per Minute (# 69) on :
 
BBC Five Live here - fast forward to 53.30 to hear AM. Lots of mention of the Ship.

'Sounds like a bit of a fuss about nothing' says Mark Pougatch. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Agent Smith (# 3299) on :
 
Just mentioned on Classic FM [Big Grin] [Overused]
 
Posted by Agent Smith (# 3299) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Agent Smith:
Just mentioned on Classic FM [Big Grin] [Overused]

Sorry, [Hot and Hormonal] should clarify that one, (was a bit surprised hearing about the ship in "normal" life. - Briefly talking about the car crash carols.
 
Posted by Roseofsharon (# 9657) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Agent Smith:
quote:
Originally posted by Agent Smith:
Just mentioned on Classic FM [Big Grin] [Overused]

Sorry, [Hot and Hormonal] should clarify that one, (was a bit surprised hearing about the ship in "normal" life. - Briefly talking about the car crash carols.
I got quite excited hearing The Ship being talked about on "Today" - it was almost like hearing my own name being mentioned.
If Mr RoS hadn't still been abed I would have nudged him and said "I belong to that" [Hot and Hormonal] [Hot and Hormonal]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Wales Online
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Rev per Minute:
BBC Five Live here - fast forward to 53.30 to hear AM. Lots of mention of the Ship.

'Sounds like a bit of a fuss about nothing' says Mark Pougatch. [Roll Eyes]

Actually, Mark immediately slipped in that it was the ones who had changed the words, the PC brigade, that had made a fuss over nothing. I'm not sure that Steve caught that distinction either.
 
Posted by duchess (# 2764) on :
 
I downloaded real player on rejected ol' used laptop to hear it. I agree with Steve about not changing the carols...tis disgrace.

Thanks for the heads up to go to 53:30 or so. I started listening to lorrys being attacked by thieves after power was restored to parts of Lancaster or wherever and starting to doze off...but then saw I could fast forward and hear the beloved Steve. Thanks appreciate it.

[ 25. December 2008, 04:48: Message edited by: duchess ]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
A present on Christmas Day from the Daily Telegraph.
 
Posted by Rev per Minute (# 69) on :
 
ITV News has the story - and it was apparently on ITV Wales Teletext as well.
 
Posted by Arrietty (# 45) on :
 
I can't see if anyone has posted a link to the full page Church Times feature on the 12 Days of Kitchmas - which was a direct lift from (and attributed to) SoF and appears in the non-subscriber bit of the online version as well.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sarkycow:
quote:
Originally posted by SusanDoris:
I expect all UK members have just been listening to 'Today' on BBC Radio 4! Around 07:45 there was quite a long item about carol words, mentioning SoF quite a lot, complete with interview ... but I didn't catch the name of the SoF member who spoke.


Radio 4 Today Programme link, of 24/12/2008, with Listen Again here, starting at 7.45am, as stated above. In good ole Today style: brief and dry, but good.

[ 30. December 2008, 10:03: Message edited by: Wesley J ]
 
Posted by Mockingbird (# 5818) on :
 
A recent Wall Street Journal article about mystery worship NOWHERE mentioned the Ship.
 
Posted by Celtic Knotweed (# 13008) on :
 
The Ringing World (weekly journal, only headlines from the current week's stories on the website usually) dated 2/1/09 mentions the Ship in its 'From the e-lists' column. Someone on the Truro DG list liked the comments on their ringing in this Mystery Worshipper report.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Good report of Mystery Worshipper in Canada's Christian Week - though (I should point out for accuracy) I have never been an official mystery shopper, only worked with market research organisations that employ them.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Brief mention of 'the other place' (St Pixels) right now on BBC Radio 4, in the 'god.com' programme.

Not sure it the Ship is being mentioned too, as it ain't finished yet. An interesting report in any case, I find.
 
Posted by frin (# 9) on :
 
I just heard that programme too, it was really interesting. I'm really glad that Ship of Fools was there at the start of people trying to make sense of their faith on the internet, and of our experiments in online embodied worship back in the church of fools.

'frin
 
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on :
 
quote:
Wright writes wonderfully, accessibly and as smooth as fine chocolate
So says the endorsement quoting the Ship's site on the backcover of NT Wright's latest book on Romans, Paul for Everyone, Part I.

[ 11. February 2009, 22:06: Message edited by: Lothlorien ]
 
Posted by St. Gwladys (# 14504) on :
 
I know it's a little late to contribute, but the 12 days of Kitchmas was mentioned in The Western Mail, which is the "National Newspaper of Wales". There's swank then!
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Hey, RuthW found this article and posted it on the What's wrong with the British? thread. See the citation of the Ship's Mystery Worshiper near the bottom of the article.
 
Posted by frin (# 9) on :
 
There was a review of Mystery Worshipper reviews in the Observer last Sunday. A colleague had kept a copy to show me, it was page 3 of the Review section. A very nice piece.
 
Posted by Ferijen (# 4719) on :
 
Spotted an Ancient Mariner on BBC1's the One Show. National TV indeed!
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frin:
There was a review of Mystery Worshipper reviews in the Observer last Sunday. A colleague had kept a copy to show me, it was page 3 of the Review section. A very nice piece.

It's also online here.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ferijen:
Spotted an Ancient Mariner on BBC1's the One Show. National TV indeed!

i-player link to the show, the clip is 12:30 in, but it's SteveTom, not Ancient Mariner.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
Not quite the mass media, but there's an e-mail discussion for Bishops and Deputies to the Episcopal Church's General Convention. Only Deputies, Bishops, and members of Executive Council or the Church Center staff can post, but anyone who signs up can receive and read the (numerous) posts every day. Most of them belong in Dead Horse territory.

A couple of days ago someone posted a link to this eight-year-old SofF storyand now there have been all sorts of silly replies and suggestions. (I can't re-post them due to the rules, but really, you're not missing much.)

Then I discovered that the Rector of a church in Phoenix apparently subscribes to the General Convention list, because he has now posted the story on Facebook as if it's a new story -- in fact, he refers to it as a "recent story."
 
Posted by Campbellite (# 1202) on :
 
Ya know? For some people, only 8 years IS recent.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
It's not exactly a media sighting, but Tree Bee found mention of the Ship in a book she's been reading, Adventures on the High Teas by Stuart Maconie. It even mentions Hell! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Ender's Shadow (# 2272) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Campbellite:
Ya know? For some people, only 8 years IS recent.

We must tell our Orthodox friends, who after all think in terms of centuries; they might have more hope for the Episcopal church if they see such a 'healthy' definition of recent... [Big Grin]

Nope - probably not
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Max tips off the Daily Telegraph about Post the Host.
 
Posted by Peter Owen (# 134) on :
 
The National Post of Canada has found the Ship.

Nancy Gall: Ship of Fools charts course through religion's weirdest waters
 
Posted by Jonathan Strange (# 11001) on :
 
A red herring, but worth a look: Mariah Mundi and the Ship of Fools
 
Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :
 
Change the names and the blurb could read like a certain recent Hell thread! [Ultra confused]

Love the illustrations!
 
Posted by The Great Gumby (# 10989) on :
 
The Guardian's Comment is Free site is discussing the future of Thought for the Day. Halfway down the first page, there's a comment from "eleutheria" stating that atheists can discuss theology just as well as theists, including this incisive comment:
quote:
I'm an atheist, and I take an "intelligent general interest" in religion and in theology. I read theological discussions on Ship of Fools for pleasure, I read Donne, Herbert, Vaughan, Traherne, Crashaw. None of these diversions winds me up - except where Ship of Fools discussions turn into a pissing contest between self-declared holders of orthodoxy and those they deem heretics.

 
Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 
Quite a lot about the ship spin off, St Pixels, but he Ship was briefly mentioned in BBC Radio 4's Beyond Belief programme today.

A podcast should be available from the beeb soon.
 
Posted by Hooker's Trick (# 89) on :
 
St Michael and All Angels, Exeter responds to a recent MW Report in the June issue of their parish magazine. (linked on the left).
 
Posted by booktonmacarthur (# 14308) on :
 
Cardiff born editor of Ship-of-Fools Simon Jenkins was quoted in the Western Mail regarding the +Nichols comments.
 
Posted by booktonmacarthur (# 14308) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by booktonmacarthur:
Cardiff born editor of Ship-of-Fools Simon Jenkins was quoted in the Western Mail regarding the +Nichols comments.

I hate to double post, but the internet failed and I ran out of edit-time...

I loved the "Cardiff born" bit, only in the Western Mail! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Viola (# 20) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Balaam:
Quite a lot about the ship spin off, St Pixels, but he Ship was briefly mentioned in BBC Radio 4's Beyond Belief programme today.

A podcast should be available from the beeb soon.

Here in fact. Just listening now. Good stuff Ancient Mariner!
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
There is a full-page feature in the Church Times this week (page 19, subscriber only at the mo.) called 'Click your way to church'. It is mainly about i-church, with mentions for Church of Fools, St. Pixels, Anglican Cathedral in Second Life and others. 'Ship of Fools' is shown clearly as a link from the i-church site, so anyone visiting as a result of the article could potentially find their way here.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Chapter and Worse featured on BBC Radio 4's Sunday this morning. Steve Toms was interviewed from Greenbelt and someone else in the studio got to pontificate on how the Bible should have been read. 'Twould have made more sense had they read the Ship's discussions beforehand, because they obviously hadn't.
 
Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :
 
I heard it too - and the person quoting the Bible bits sounded really shocked!

Steve Tomkins was good. The Muslim man who commented seemed to do it politely, disagreeing about the Bible compared to the Koran.

BBC4 seemed to link Ship of Fools with Greenbelt...
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Nice piece in The Times.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
The Daily Telegraph follows suit.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
The Bishop of Arizona once again has mentioned us in his weekly E-Letter -- scroll down to "A Final Thought."

He's obviously a lurker (Hi, +Kirk!) -- one of these days we'll get him to a Shipmeet!
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
And now the Boston Globe.
 
Posted by Sarah G (# 11669) on :
 
The Evangelical Alliance have commented:

Friday night theology

(This was also sent out as an email.)
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
CHURCH TIMES

St Paul wins ‘worst’ vote

by Ed Beavan

A ST PAUL “classic” has been voted the “worst verse in the Bible” in a poll by the irreverent Christian website Ship of Fools.

The winning verse, 1 Timothy 2.12, in which St Paul does not “permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man”, was unveiled as the most unpopular Bible text in the survey at the Greenbelt Festival on Monday.

The second most disliked text was 1 Samuel 15.3, in which God orders the destruction of the family of Amalek, while Exodus 22.18 was voted third-worst: Moses says: “Do not allow a sorceress to live.”

Two other verses from Paul also appear in the top ten: one where he condemns homosexuality in Romans 1, and one in Ephesians 5 where he calls on wives to “submit to their hus bands as to the Lord”. St Peter also gets in, with a verse appearing to condone slavery, 1 Peter 2.

Stephen Goddard, co-editor of Ship of Fools, said he believed that the “winning” verse was chosen because it was still “live” today. “It’s still used to ‘shut women up’ and stop them preaching.”
 
Posted by The Weeder (# 11321) on :
 
In todays Guardian, Simon Hoggart, my favourite columnist, refers to the Ship, suggesting it is 'for sceptical Christians' He comments on the Mystery Worshipper: 'They run a good sermon guide which can be every bit as rude as some restaurant critics', and seems to be a regular.
He is not impressed at the poll on unfavourite Bible verses, suggesting that 'either you believe this nonsense is ordained by an all powerful God or you don't' and can not pick and choose which verses we accept and which we don't.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Well worth checking out a superb review of our 10 Worst Bible Verses project in the Huffington Post.
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
Nice article. I love the repeated comparisons between Simon and Bishop Spong........ [Paranoid]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Nice article. I love the repeated comparisons between Simon and Bishop Spong........ [Paranoid]

Truly, separated at (second) birth.
 
Posted by Viola (# 20) on :
 
A little mention in the Guardian's Guide section today in the Christmas Blog Roll section. Particular reference to "Gadgets for God and the 12 days of Kitchmas"
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Not sure if it counts as a media sighting, but we're being ripped off by the diocese of Chelmsford.
 
Posted by Jigsaw (# 11433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
Not sure if it counts as a media sighting, but we're being ripped off by the diocese of Chelmsford.

Potential MW's in that diocese "will need to have the recommendation of their incumbent".
Hmmm... doesn't that rather defeat the object of MW-ing?
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
Not sure if it counts as a media sighting, but we're being ripped off by the diocese of Chelmsford.

I'm rather pleased by the tone of this, as the bishop appears to assume that readers know about Ship of Fools!

Has Simon addressed Synod yet?
 
Posted by Mark Wuntoo (# 5673) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jigsaw:
quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
Not sure if it counts as a media sighting, but we're being ripped off by the diocese of Chelmsford.

Potential MW's in that diocese "will need to have the recommendation of their incumbent".
Hmmm... doesn't that rather defeat the object of MW-ing?

It's a stupid thing - their operation of MWing, that is. Why couldn't they liaise with the Ship - I'm sure people already experienced in MWing could have been asked to discreetly get to work! Maybe the Ship could even have charged for the service! Sounds like an inside type job to me, even a cover-up by the grand old CofE.
 
Posted by Simon (# 1) on :
 
Thanks for the tip-off, rufiki. I'll have a quiet word with Revd Kosla.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jigsaw:
quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
Not sure if it counts as a media sighting, but we're being ripped off by the diocese of Chelmsford.

Potential MW's in that diocese "will need to have the recommendation of their incumbent".
Hmmm... doesn't that rather defeat the object of MW-ing?

Um, I don't think that the potential MWer would be MWing their own church. I believe the diocese would like to have a reference so that they know who is signing up for the job of MWing diocese churches. It sounds reasonable to me.
 
Posted by Jigsaw (# 11433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
quote:
Originally posted by Jigsaw:
quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
Not sure if it counts as a media sighting, but we're being ripped off by the diocese of Chelmsford.

Potential MW's in that diocese "will need to have the recommendation of their incumbent".
Hmmm... doesn't that rather defeat the object of MW-ing?

Um, I don't think that the potential MWer would be MWing their own church. I believe the diocese would like to have a reference so that they know who is signing up for the job of MWing diocese churches. It sounds reasonable to me.
Take the point that they wouldn't be MW-ing their own church, sure, Lyda Rose, but I still don't understand why there needs to be a "recommendation". Sounds like weeding out the urestful souls to me. And what will the would-be MW do if turned down as a result of the reference? Confront the incumbent?
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
You're a suspicious soul. [Biased]
 
Posted by Jigsaw (# 11433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
You're a suspicious soul. [Biased]

I'm a nurse; it goes with the job.
BTW, I'm sorry if, in the posting back on the 16th December, I sent this thread tangential.
 
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on :
 
Mentioned in the Daily Mail!

(Penultimate paragraph.)
 
Posted by Angel Wrestler (# 13673) on :
 
Our United Methodist magazine, "The Interpreter," published a segment about The Lord's Prayer in text message and quoted Ship of Fools as well as published 3 of the winning posts. The Interpreter goes out to lay and clergy leaders across the denomination!
 
Posted by Simon (# 1) on :
 
We've been included in a Top 50 of Evangelical Christian Blogs here.

OK... we're not evangelical or a blog, but still.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Ah, but we are an Off-beat Perspective. I like that.
 
Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :
 
I reckon I heard "Ship of Fools" mentioned very briefly this morning on Radio 4...
 
Posted by duchess (# 2764) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Simon:
We've been included in a Top 50 of Evangelical Christian Blogs here.

OK... we're not evangelical or a blog, but still.

It's because I am reading things like Challis's blog, LaShawn's blog...James White's blog and I am always present on the ship, so my energy must have made this connect.

Just felt like saying something Californian today. I don't know why SoF made it there either but there you go. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Silent Acolyte (# 1158) on :
 
Ship of Fools gets a shout-out in a column by Danny Westneat in the Seattle Times.

The main focus of the story is a Craigslist ad for paid church reviewers, linked to a site called ChurchRater.com.

The SoF quote is near the end:
quote:
[T]here are other church-rating sites (the most popular is Ship of Fools, the British "magazine of Christian unrest," with its cheeky reports by anonymous "mystery worshippers.")

 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
Ah, but we are an Off-beat Perspective. I like that.

Is "Off-beat" similar to "Off-message" or "Off-the-rails"?
 
Posted by duchess (# 2764) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
Ah, but we are an Off-beat Perspective. I like that.

Is "Off-beat" similar to "Off-message" or "Off-the-rails"?
No, it means something like unique, quirky. [Smile]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Have pre-recorded a Ship of fools feature Apps of the Apostles for tomorrow's (14 Feb) BBC Radio 4 Sunday programme (7.10am). The interview starts at 09:52.

Here's the Apps of the Apostles feature on the Ship.

[ added feature URL ]

[ 14. February 2010, 10:19: Message edited by: Simon ]
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
Having just turned on the radio earlier this morning, still half asleep, I found myself listening to the Apps of the Apostles. The Ancient Mariner came across very well, I thought.

(I can also tell you that the Biblical Alarm Clock didn't have much success at getting me out of my somnolent state.)
 
Posted by jacobsen (# 14998) on :
 
I was driving up to LOndon from Lewes at the crack of doom, and found the whole thing very amusing. And to be taken so seriously! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by ken (# 2460) on :
 
I set my alarm early and woke up and so presumably listened to it but I am so bad at mornings that I genuinely remember nothing about the item [Frown] That's almost scary.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Apps of the apostles now in the Daily Telegraph.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
All Shipmates should note that, instead of sitting around moaning about how crap Valentine's Day is, our esteemed Ancient Mariner got off his backside and did something useful with the day.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Chorister, your kind comments have not gone unnoticed... [Cool]

Also, as a result of the Telegraph, we've made it into India's Little About for the first time.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Also Thaindian News and, er, Armoks News.

Also, look out for an article on apps of the aps by Simon in this week's Church Times (UK).
 
Posted by welsh dragon (# 3249) on :
 
We forgot to turn off our radio alarm so were amused to listen to this on Valentine's Day morning.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
During a commercial break from the Olympics, I had a look at the Anglican Journal and saw a mention of The Ship at the end of this article
 
Posted by TonyK (# 35) on :
 
19th February copy of Church Times has a two-page spread by Cap'n Simon on 'The Apps of the Apostles'.

But it doesn't seem to be in their on-line version.

The Ship got a website link as well!

[eta the online reference]

[ 19. February 2010, 22:57: Message edited by: TonyK ]
 
Posted by Scot (# 2095) on :
 
The Ship was cited as the most popular church-rating site in a Seattle Times column, which led to a mention on the atheist blog Unreasonable Faith.
 
Posted by The Weeder (# 11321) on :
 
Does the Church Times count?
A double page spread on the Ships Christian apps?
 
Posted by TonyK (# 35) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Weeder:
Does the Church Times count?
A double page spread on the Ships Christian apps?

Does the Church Times count as what?

It's '..registered as a newspaper at the Post Office' according to the small print at the back - and a newspaper is certainly part of the 'media'.

And it has been mentioned several times before in this thread.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Of course the 'Church Times' counts - amongst SoFers it's BIG. Why, this week alone I counted no fewer than 6 Shipmate contributors amongst its pages. And they are only the ones I know about. Which probably means there are even more. [Cool]
 
Posted by St. Gwladys (# 14504) on :
 
I found three - including the double page spread.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
This week, it's Mystery Worship (Ship of Fools and other similar schemes) which gets a mention. Page 12 of the paper version.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Good spot, Chorister. [Cool]
 
Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
Of course the 'Church Times' counts - amongst SoFers it's BIG. Why, this week alone I counted no fewer than 6 Shipmate contributors amongst its pages. And they are only the ones I know about. Which probably means there are even more. [Cool]

Well, among a certain subset of SoFers it's big. Is this something we barbarians in the colonies can look at on-line? For free, of course, we barbarians tend to be cheap. [Razz]

Since that first mention (pre-Y2K) of the Ship in the Boston Globe which led me here, I've never noticed any mention here in New England. But then, aside from the religious aspects of the political scene, coverage of religion in general has pretty much disappeared except for one-off tales of tragedy or wonderfulness at particular churches/synagogues/temples/etc. in the area.
 
Posted by TonyK (# 35) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jlg:
[<snip>
Well, among a certain subset of SoFers it's big. Is this something we barbarians in the colonies can look at on-line? For free, of course, we barbarians tend to be cheap. [Razz]

<snip>

Church Times does have a website,and even offers access to some articles to non-subscribers. Sadly this generosity never seems to extend to those referring to the Ship [Frown]

Incidentally the article on Mystery Worshipping in the current issue wasn't entirely complimentary - rather a case of damning with faint praise, I thought!
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
The current edition of the Church Times is available in a limited version online unless you are a subscriber. I've been informed that subscriber-only back editions are made available once they are no longer current.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Article in the current Evangelical Alliance (UK) IDEA magazine.
 
Posted by Josephine (# 3899) on :
 
Ship of Fools got a mention in today's Seattle Times.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Nice to see the Cap'n bagging front page and centre spread of this week's (16.4.10) Church Times.

[Overused]
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
I must admit I was rather surprised (not to say pleased) to read the Headline in the Evening Standard on Thursday: BBC defends ship of fools. But alas, alack and welaway, when I read on further I discovered it was just more stuff about the election shenanigans.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Stephen Glover, in the Independent, has put forward an argument for Simon Jenkins to be made a life peer. I must say I entirely agree - although I rather suspect he means 'the other one'.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Am due to contribute to a discussion on the future of the church on BBC Radio Scotland this morning. Some time between 9.30 and 10 am, I think.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
OK - the station called but couldn't get to me before the news. Sorry for the false alarm.

[Cool]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
A mention in today's Guardian (UK).
 
Posted by TonyK (# 35) on :
 
And our revered Cap'n Simon has an interesting article in this week's Church Times about 'On-line Communion'.

Only available on their website to subscribers, unfortunately.
 
Posted by Arrietty (# 45) on :
 
It will be available to everyone else when the next issue comes out next Friday.
 
Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
I'm very glad to see that The Ship is getting a mention in all the best reporting of the Pope's visit.
 
Posted by Drifting Star (# 12799) on :
 
From that article, apparently 'simony is the sin of trafficking sacred things'... [Killing me]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Our own 'Simony' on the UK's Channel 4 News (via his Blog).
 
Posted by Simon (# 1) on :
 
I'm going to be on the PM programme (BBC Radio 4) at 5.45 ish this afternoon. Subject: Papal gizmos and gadgets. Should be fun.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Simon's excellent BBC Radio 4 interview (PM Programme) here. Scroll through to 52' 38".
 
Posted by birdie (# 2173) on :
 
Two papal gadgets spotted on Mock the Week this evening. (The Benedictophone and the make your own Popemobile).
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
As usual I try to put myself into the shoes of the Great Unknowing litening public, and once again find myself saying, 'Is this guy For Real?' [Ultra confused]

Simon Jenkins, the Monty Python of the Airwaves.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
I want to see footage if Benny jumps into the mosh pit!
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Nicolemrw (# 28) on :
 
Someone just linked the "Picnic with the Pontif" page of Gadgets for God to a livejournal community (talkpolitics) that I belong to. Not sure if that counts as media mention or not, but I thought I'd mention it.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
The October 24 issue of The Living Church has just been published on-line for subscribers; the hard copy edition will be going in the mail. The Mystery Worshipper is mentioned in a letter to the Editor.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Nice piece in the Northern Echo.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
The Church Times St. Gargoyle's cartoon for 15 October.
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
The Church Times St. Gargoyle's cartoon for 15 October.
[Big Grin]

[Cool]
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
Nice piece in the Northern Echo.

Yes, but did you also see - in view while you are reading the main article - the headline 'Masked raider targets betting shop'. You never know what these Mystery Worshippers are going to get up to next!
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Your editor in today's Guardian.

[Overused]
 
Posted by The Great Gumby (# 10989) on :
 
The comments are funny - looks like he's got a new friend in Gabriel100:
quote:
Not sure about the "mystery worshipper" thing - quite puerile, suspect the people who do the reviews are about as Christian as Steven "take me as I am" Tomlinson (The drip from ships of fools / here who looks like a weedy Barry McGuidan) (sic)
Tosser.
 
Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
Looks like he's got a new friend in Gabriel100: "Not sure about the 'mystery worshipper' thing - quite puerile, suspect the people who do the reviews are about as Christian as Steven "take me as I am" Tomlinson."

The next comment puts him down royally, I think. Miss Amanda, for one, takes her Christianity quite seriously, although she's not above poking fun at it. "O wad some Power the giftie gie us" and all that, don't you know.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Unfortunately this one is not real, but Wesley J had me for a minute there.
 
Posted by Mr Clingford (# 7961) on :
 
The ship is name-checked in Stephen Tomkins' article on the KJV on the BBC website.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
14 January, Church Times, quirky but humorous reference to Mystery Worshippers in the caption competition. The context will be available to see online from next week, but for those unable to wait the picture was of a group of Cybermen outside St. Paul's Cathedral and one of the captions submitted was:

The Mystery Worshippers gave the service top marks, but were hurt that no one had approached them afterwards to chat over coffee.
 
Posted by Loveheart (# 12249) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
14 January, Church Times, quirky but humorous reference to Mystery Worshippers in the caption competition. The context will be available to see online from next week, but for those unable to wait the picture was of a group of Cybermen outside St. Paul's Cathedral and one of the captions submitted was:

The Mystery Worshippers gave the service top marks, but were hurt that no one had approached them afterwards to chat over coffee.

Brilliant! [Overused]
 
Posted by ken (# 2460) on :
 
Not Ship, but Steve Tomkins is on BBC 4 telling Adam Nicolson what a Puritan is.
 
Posted by St. Gwladys (# 14504) on :
 
Ship of Fools got mentioned in a Western Mail ("The National Newspaper of Wales") article on Twitter.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
I was interested to see that, in session 4 of the 'Everybody Welcome' course we are studying for Lent, we are to be watching a DVD of Mystery Worshippers and also finding out what happened when a Mystery Worshipper visited our church. What I discovered when clicking on the 'more information' links below the general summary was that Ship of Fools Mystery Worshippers are mentioned several times, including the priceless phrase, 'You can't book them in - they just turn up!' (Anyone need a strapline?)
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Chorister, it would be good to have sight of those videos, if possible.
 
Posted by Rev per Minute (# 69) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Gwladys:
Ship of Fools got mentioned in a Western Mail ("The National Newspaper of Wales") article on Twitter.

It's by yer (or for those of you further away, over by there).

Also a reminder to Simon that, whatever he does, he will remain 'Cardiff-born' for the purposes of the Western Mail and Echo!
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
Chorister, it would be good to have sight of those videos, if possible.

AM, see my PM. (I enjoyed writing that phrase! [Biased] )

General Info: DVDs (and other course materials) available here if anyone is interested. The Ship of Fools is mentioned under 'additional content' (in the 'introduction' and 'guidelines' sections), not sure if it is mentioned in the DVDs or whether they just refer to their own Mystery Worshippers on there.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Stephen Tomkins is reviewing a book called 'Why Johnny Can't Sing Hymns: How popular culture rewrote the hymnal' by T. David Gordon, in edition 7721 of the Church Times. The information at the end of the review says, 'Stephen Tomkins is contributing editor of Ship of Fools (www.shipoffools.com) and deputy editor of Third Way magazine'.

[ 30. March 2011, 13:47: Message edited by: Chorister ]
 
Posted by The Midge (# 2398) on :
 
I was given a freebie (in the hope that I might take out a subscription no doubt) and can inform you that the April edition of "Christianity" has an article entitled "Life Online". SoF is mentioned under the News and Opinion listing and concludes:

quote:
For a one-stop-shop that meets many of your daily needs the Ship of Fools is a very worthy choice.
One wonders if the Christianity editor might have shot themselves in the foot.
 
Posted by LJB (# 1057) on :
 
Ship of Fools rates a mention on the "Blogroll: the truths are out there" on the Guardian Cif belief section....
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
About time we got another mench in the Sunday Telegraph.

[Cool]
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
Rexory posted this on the Australian thread:

quote:
Short article in the "West Australian" this morning about SoF. "Seldom, if ever, crossing the line into satire, the content here is excellent for those who wish to balance the serious side of Christianity".

 
Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
About time we got another mench in the Sunday Telegraph.

[Cool]

42 minute sermon. [Eek!] [Eek!]

Lord have mercy.

Did the Vatican really advise 8 minute sermons???
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Did the Vatican really advise 8 minute sermons???

Still a bit long for me. Can't we get them down to a round five minutes?
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
Heck, Marv, a lot of preachers haven't even got to the punchline of their opening joke in five minutes!

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Gadgets for God branded 'notorious' by The Guardian.
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
The words "pictures of Jesus" in the first paragraph of that article seem to link erroneously to the SoF article Jesus the hot air balloon.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Erroneously?
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
I guess those words in the Guardian article should link to art4god.com.

Or are you having fun with me? [Biased]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
LeRoc, I think Andrew is pointing to SoF then to the Art4God site further down.

[Cool]
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
Ok, never mind.
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
There's a small appearance by the Captain in today's Metro:

quote:
Simon Jenkins, editor of Christian website Ship of Fools, said the cathedral’s handling of the camp had been a ‘car crash’ and an ‘almighty mess’.

 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
Simon was interviewed on the BBC news channel yesterday - excellent words, but I can't find a link to it.

They mentioned the Ship twice [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Extract from his blog shows picture, and time of interview, if anyone wants to follow it up.

Also, there is now an article on the front page of the ship magazine.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Yeah, I's love to see the Youtube on that. The article was really good.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Simon on the BBC World Service, 2 November 2011, 0515am, The World Today (link), about the St Paul's goings-on. Interview starts 9'50" in.

Programmes is available for listening online until Wednesday, 9 November 2011, 0602am.
 
Posted by kingsfold (# 1726) on :
 
Ah, so I wasn't dreaming then.

I thought I heard the Cap'n's name mentioned & SoF but since I had the radio on to try & get back to sleep, I wasn't sure....
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Simon Jenkins has written an article about Halloween (page 13 of Church Times) dated 28 October, which I've only just got around to reading. It's called 'A chance to play on the dark side' and is subscriber only this week, but will be generally available from the archive (issue no. 7754) from next week.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
I just read that recently-- guess someone linked it-- and was really impressed. I even told my mother to share it with her Bible study group. (she was impressed, too.)
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
... and I just heard the podcast. Perfect.

I found the comments about the social function of the cathedral really exciting-- and really necessary.
 
Posted by comet (# 10353) on :
 
yay Simon! I have already been sharing your blog post around, and this just adds to it. (the BBC interview) very well done, Captain.

plus, as a former professional radio geek - you have a nice voice and delivery. double attaboys!
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Agreed, Simon has a very ear-catching voice. Firm, but warm.
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wesley J:
Simon on the BBC World Service, 2 November 2011, 0515am, The World Today (link), about the St Paul's goings-on. Interview starts 9'50" in.

Programmes is available for listening online until Wednesday, 9 November 2011, 0602am.

Thanks for the link, Wesley J. Nice little interview, well done Simon [Big Grin] .
It's slightly a pity that the BBC introduced Simon as presenting what "young christians" think, given the wide age-range on here though.
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
Nah - we are all young at heart [Angel]
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
quote:
Originally posted by Wesley J:
Simon on the BBC World Service, 2 November 2011, 0515am, The World Today (link), about the St Paul's goings-on. Interview starts 9'50" in.

Programmes is available for listening online until Wednesday, 9 November 2011, 0602am.

Thanks for the link, Wesley J. Nice little interview, well done Simon [Big Grin] .
It's slightly a pity that the BBC introduced Simon as presenting what "young christians" think, given the wide age-range on here though.

Yes, the Ship does have a wide age range (18 to 80 I believe) but critically it has plenty over 30 but not retired. Men of that age seem especially under represented in many churches, which is not the case here. YMMV.
 
Posted by Auntie Doris (# 9433) on :
 
Well I was listening to BBC Radio Guernsey as I was driving about this morning when suddenly I was listening to Milton Jones being interviewed about Roll on Christmas. A nice plug for that and the Ship!

Auntie Doris x
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Given that there has been a thread on WWJD recently, shipmates might be interested in reading an article currently linked to on the BBC news website by Steve Tomkins. Although it doesn't specifically mention the ship, it covers several of the things which were discussed in the thread plus extra stuff I didn't know about before.
 
Posted by ElaineC (# 12244) on :
 
Roll on Christmas and the Ship get a mention here.
 
Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :
 
The suffragan bishop of the Diocese in Europe has given Mystery Worship a favorable mention.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineC:
Roll on Christmas and the Ship get a mention here.

And here.


(Watch out! These nativities can be dangerous! [Eek!] )
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
And more in Inspire.
 
Posted by duchess (# 2764) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Agreed, Simon has a very ear-catching voice. Firm, but warm.

shaken not stirred.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
We need a "like" button on the ship, but only for duchess's posts [Big Grin]
 
Posted by duchess (# 2764) on :
 
I feel unworthy but [Overused]
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Catching up on my pre-christmas reading, I see that Ship of Fools get a mention with regard to a book review by Steve Tomkins ('A Short History of England' Simon Jenkins).

I thought you could access anything old in the Church Times archive for free, but it appears that book reviews are still behind the subscriber wall.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
The Church Times has shipoffools named as one of its five favourite twitter followings.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
The Church Times has shipoffools named as one of its five favourite twitter followings.

Of course!

[Biased]
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Excellent!
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
Today's lead essay on Episcopal Café includes a shout-out to The Ship.

[ 27. March 2012, 02:14: Message edited by: Mamacita ]
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
Simon, what have you been up to?
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Simon, what have you been up to?

[Cool]

Should be hired for a shipmeet.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
I was disappointed that Ship of Fools didn't get a specific mention here, but the survey still looks interesting and relevant to those who share their faith on SoF.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
I was disappointed that Ship of Fools didn't get a specific mention here, but the survey still looks interesting and relevant to those who share their faith on SoF.

The figure for Pentecostalists appears high while that for Roman Catholics looks low. Maybe there's an age and class thing at work?
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
I was disappointed that Ship of Fools didn't get a specific mention here, but the survey still looks interesting and relevant to those who share their faith on SoF.

Interesting certainly, but it's all about mission and sharing the faith in the sense of evangelism - that is, getting the message out to non-Christians. A bulletin board aimed primarily at those who are already Christian, while good for many other reasons, doesn't fit into that category.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Hmmm, I wouldn't want to be as black-and-white about it as that, Marvin - I'd like to hope that we talk about our faith quite naturally on the Ship, both with those who are Christians and those who are not.
 
Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :
 
Ancient Mariner going for a walk.
 
Posted by Simon (# 1) on :
 
Just to say that I'm on the BBC Radio 4 programme The Digital Human at 4.30pm today, talking about Ship of Fools and the joys of digital religion.

The Digital Human
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Interested to note that today's Church Times has a centrefold pull-out for Back To Church Sunday, where they suggest church returners could 'Mystery Worship' the church they go to on that day, and send the report to the vicar.
 
Posted by duchess (# 2764) on :
 
I wish I wouldn't have clicked through everything to somehow get to the guest starring nun's online paper...that had a link to a dead cat as a helicopter. That was wrong. I will listen to this show this week, promise, as I am book marking this for myself. I just need now to get off the internet tonight.
 
Posted by Pants (# 999) on :
 
Alien and I are raising money for Cancer Research... please sponsor us!
 
Posted by Pants (# 999) on :
 
is it there correctly
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
LOL, I think you confused this one with the UBB practice thread?
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
Not exactly a "traditional" media sighting, but the title of this episode of one of the webcomics I'm following made me smile [Smile]
 
Posted by Tree Bee (# 4033) on :
 
Sunday On Radio 4 this morning included a discussion of digital religion.
Our Simon was one of the participants, according to Mr Bee who listened while I was still in the land of nod. [Snore]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
I will be on BBC Radio Wales' All Things Considered this Sunday (23 Sep) talking about the upcoming Godbaby campaign from Church Ads this Christmas.

[Cool]

[ 21. September 2012, 09:15: Message edited by: Ancient Mariner ]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Here is the link to the BBC Wales programme 'All Things Considered'. [Cool]
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
I was interested to read about this - sounds just like Mystery Worship but costs £60!
 
Posted by Chamois (# 16204) on :
 
£60 plus VAT.

They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery....
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Anyone who looks up i-church (after they are featured on BBC1 Songs of Praise tonight, 5pm) will see a link to Ship of Fools. I guess only a fraction might click on it, but we may get some extra traffic (and new members?) from that source.
 
Posted by Drifting Star (# 12799) on :
 
I understand that there may be a visible (beverage-holding) connection to the Ship on the actual footage tonight as well...
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
ITTWACW mug, prominently on the i-church desk.
 
Posted by Drifting Star (# 12799) on :
 
i-church does have its own mugs, but we're ecumenical. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
ITTWACW mug, prominently on the i-church desk.

Shameful product placement.

[Cool]
 
Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :
 
Favorable mention of Mystery Worship on CNN's website based on an interview given by Simon and myself.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Good call.
I like the idea of people attending and observing ways of worship, even if the attendee isn't religious themselves. After all, how can people decide if religious worship is for them if they never get to experience it?
 
Posted by Tree Bee (# 4033) on :
 
Pause for Thought on Chris Evans' Radio 2 show mentioned Mystery Worship this morning though the Ship wasn't name checked.
Chris seemed taken with the concept, which he hadn't previously come across.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Thanks for the heads up Tree Bee. I have contacted the show accordingly.
 
Posted by QLib (# 43) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
I like the idea of people attending and observing ways of worship, even if the attendee isn't religious themselves. After all, how can people decide if religious worship is for them if they never get to experience it?

Monty Python's Big Red Book, with its helpful guide on World Religions, comes to mind.
 
Posted by Ferijen (# 4719) on :
 
I think I see an Ancient Mariner on bbc1 right now...
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Nope, that was our very own other Steve, Tomkins (aka Rev Gerald Ambulance) - looking remarkably 19th Century retro-professorial it must be said.
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
No-one made a screen shot? [Smile]
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
Screen Shot
The programme is on iPlayer - he's on a part about what Hell is like starting about 13 mins into the show.
 
Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :
 
There is also an article on the BBC Website by him which I guess is related.

Jengie
 
Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :
 
Another sighting, last article in Reform this month.

For Anglicans, this has nothing to do with a conservative Anglican group within the CofE, rather it is the magazine of the URC and edited by Steve Tomkins.

Jengie
 
Posted by Jack the Lass (# 3415) on :
 
Gadgets for God got a mention overnight on this BBC Radio Scotland show - give or take 5 minutes it was around 2 hrs 15 mins into the show. The link should be live for a few days.
 
Posted by ken (# 2460) on :
 
All true geeks will be pleased and proud that ship-of-fools.com gets a place in the wonderful NMAP "icons of the web" interactive viewer, which is a sort of tag cloud of the top million websites in the world.

A very small place somewhere just below the middle, between facts-for-kids.net and fetish-hosting.co.uk (though they are all next to the slightly larger and presumably more respectable amnesty,.org) If you want to find it without using the search function its one of the few thousand websites along the northern borders of qq.com
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ken:
A very small place somewhere just below the middle...

quote:
just one, momentary glimpse of the size of the entire unimaginable infinity of creation along with a tiny little marker saying, “You are here”
[Ultra confused]
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
That is cool beyond words.
 
Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :
 
Church of Fools and Ship of Fools featuring in this Daily Dot article.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Wonder who that Choris is....? [Biased]
 
Posted by TheAlethiophile (# 16870) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
Wonder who that Choris is....? [Biased]

Someone called Chris who was typing in a hurry? [Cool] [Razz]
 
Posted by Alban (# 9047) on :
 
My morning routine involves among other things, the ship and Cracked.com. The two seem to have itersected today, with item 20 in this piece referencing the Ship and the Church of Flanders. And no, I didn't write it.
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
It's also completely wrong!
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Yebbut it's Cracked! The geeks with come flocking!
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
Look out for a rise in people using the Flanders avatar?
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Creating lists of everything? Extravagantly creative use of dick jokes in academic discussion?

Marriage made in Heaven.
 
Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :
 
David Thomson, Bishop of Huntingdon and Acting Bishop of St Edmundsbury & Ipswich, has taken note of our recent MW report on the ABC's visit to St Edmundsbury Cathedral.
 
Posted by JoannaP (# 4493) on :
 
If sermons come under the heading of "media"...

I was rather startled when today's sermon began with the words "There is a website called ship-of-fools.com"; it was a lead in to the news that we were MW'd last week and had a very favourable report. Many thanks to Aileen and to Miss Amanda for getting it published so quickly - you have made our vicar very happy. [Yipee]
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
The Ship features prominently in the opening paragraphs of a June 10 article in the on-line magazine Salon.com. Without actually naming them, the article gives a nod to the "Chapter and Verse" project, as well as the Mystery Worshipper (and gives a nice shout-out to Simon and Steve).

The article, titled "Bible Verses that Atheists Love," was published a few days earlier on the blog AlterNet.

[ 11. June 2014, 05:22: Message edited by: Mamacita ]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Thanks for that, Mamacita. A nice piece.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
I'm on BBC Radios Lancashire and Manchester tonight, talking about my novel Rattles and Rosettes. From 10pm (UK time) onwards.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
I'm on BBC Radios Lancashire and Manchester tonight, talking about my novel Rattles and Rosettes. From 10pm (UK time) onwards.

You also look quite a bit like the gentleman interviewed in today's Church Times (no subscription required for this article).
 
Posted by mrWaters (# 18171) on :
 
The Ship was also mentioned in the recent Four Thought by Rupert Goodwins which was also how I heard about it and subsequently joined.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Thank you for that link MrWaters - I couldn't go to that recording because it was on a Wednesday night - I undoubtedly know people in the audience - but had I been able to I would have found out who he was on the Ship.
 
Posted by Oscar the Grouch (# 1916) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
I'm on BBC Radios Lancashire and Manchester tonight, talking about my novel Rattles and Rosettes. From 10pm (UK time) onwards.

Have purchased a copy on my Kindle and am enjoying reading it at the moment. Not that Palace have ever suffered as much as my team have....
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
I would have found out who he was on the Ship.

Please don't stalk Shipmates.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
RooK - no way would I stalk anyone. But if you'd been in the audience and someone had mentioned the Ship, you would have talked to them too, given the opportunity.
 
Posted by ChastMastr (# 716) on :
 
This makes me feel stupid for saying this, but since his (presumably real-life) name is there on the link he posted for the book, wouldn't clicking the link tell you who he is? Less stalky and more "Oh, that's what his name is" when you ... click on the link he himself posted.

[Confused]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
ChastMastr - I am not that interested. If I had met him I'd have asked and outed myself at the same time. Not being there at the time it's not something I'm pursuing.

[ 31. July 2014, 07:12: Message edited by: Curiosity killed ... ]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
I'm on BBC Radios Lancashire and Manchester tonight, talking about my novel Rattles and Rosettes. From 10pm (UK time) onwards.

Have purchased a copy on my Kindle and am enjoying reading it at the moment. Not that Palace have ever suffered as much as my team have....
You really have to tell me the name of your club, that I may share your burden. [Votive]
 
Posted by Oscar the Grouch (# 1916) on :
 
The clue is in my avatar.
(And like Palace, our colours are red & blue)

[ 31. July 2014, 14:56: Message edited by: Oscar the Grouch ]
 
Posted by ChastMastr (# 716) on :
 
I keep forgetting how much closer everyone is in the UK. Here in Tampa Bay, Florida, I think there's something like... one? Shipmate I know of within driving distance at this point, and even then it's a couple of hours. (There was another one but I think he moved to another state and alas he doesn't post anymore.) Even Erin, God rest her soul, was vastly too far away to really get to for a day trip.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
The clue is in my avatar.
(And like Palace, our colours are red & blue)

With you in spirit, Oscar.
 
Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :
 
Look who's judging the new media awards. Go for it Captain.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Has Simon won one of those? (Or did I miss it mentioned here? [Hot and Hormonal] ) If he hasn't he should have! Next year: the People's Choice Award for Simon Jenkins. [Yipee]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Interview with me on Premier Christian Radio (UK) re: SoF and Rattles and Rosettes.

Listen from 1hr 4mins and 40 secs.

[Cool]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Currently featuring on Radio 4's Sunday discussing Badvent Calendars
 
Posted by TonyK (# 35) on :
 
And half a page in The Mail on Sunday, 2nd Nov, about the Badvent Calendars.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TonyK:
And half a page in The Mail on Sunday, 2nd Nov, about the Badvent Calendars.

And here's the link.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
quote:
Originally posted by TonyK:
And half a page in The Mail on Sunday, 2nd Nov, about the Badvent Calendars.

And here's the link.
I see that The Ship of Fools is described as a Christian Website!
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
That's what they think.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mrWaters:
The Ship was also mentioned in the recent Four Thought by Rupert Goodwins which was also how I heard about it and subsequently joined.

Thanks for the link mrWaters, an old chorister mate of mine. And a very interesting subject, to boot.

I prefer the Church Times coverage to the Daily Mail. It's worksafe, too!
Good old Church Times, it doesn't need to show pictures - the description is perfectly ample to anyone with half an imagination....
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
And, as an added bonus, you get an excellent Noel Ford cartoon thrown in. As another bowdlerised space quote puts it: 'It's Advent, Jim, but not as we know it'.
 
Posted by Net Spinster (# 16058) on :
 
The Freethinker also noted the Badvent. I'm not sure some of the commentators know what Ship of Fools is.
 
Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Net Spinster:
I'm not sure some of the commentators know what Ship of Fools is.

I'm not sure some commentators know what anything is, but that's the sorry state of modern journalism.
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
Badvent also gets a mention in The Week, in the "Spirit of the Age" column on page 6.
I do like The Week, it's a very handy publication.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Net Spinster:
The Freethinker also noted the Badvent. I'm not sure some of the commentators know what Ship of Fools is.

The way the article was written, the only way you'd know the calendar poll was meant to be a joke would be by visiting the site.
 
Posted by Ferijen (# 4719) on :
 
It's not a media sighting, but evensong tonight started with ttr winner of The Laugh Judgement... Still going strong.
 
Posted by Sandemaniac (# 12829) on :
 
Noted on the Beeb, in an article on Christingle.

I always thought it commemorated Jesus' first school handicraft project...

AG
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
They must have particularly skilled and dedicated researchers - the article they link to is in Oblivion.
 
Posted by Jengie jon (# 273) on :
 
Either that or the writer is a ship reader and just automatically comes here when looking for something liturgically bizarre. The full collection of threads stored on the ship from Ecclesiantics, Mystery Worship, and Small Fires boards probably mean that the ship is the best place to trace eclectic worship practices and beats any published text. It is not the depth it is the variety.

Jengie

[ 19. December 2014, 15:55: Message edited by: Jengie jon ]
 
Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :
 
Steve Goddard is currently talking about Rattles and Rosettes on BBC Radio Leeds.
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jengie jon:
Either that or the writer is a ship reader and just automatically comes here when looking for something liturgically bizarre. The full collection of threads stored on the ship from Ecclesiantics, Mystery Worship, and Small Fires boards probably mean that the ship is the best place to trace eclectic worship practices and beats any published text. It is not the depth it is the variety.

Jengie

True, but they still have to actually find anything in Oblivion - and we've all been there, done that, lost that afternoon. There're probably shipmates lost in there who've been there for weeks.
[Biased]
 
Posted by Jengie jon (# 273) on :
 
Not really. Christingle is a big help. Just use google advanced, so you are only looking at the boards, and then search for cristingle. Only five pages and most of those can be ignored.

The work of an hour or so at most for someone whose business it is to find these things.

Jengie

[ 22. December 2014, 15:19: Message edited by: Jengie jon ]
 
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
quote:
Originally posted by Jengie jon:
Either that or the writer is a ship reader and just automatically comes here when looking for something liturgically bizarre. The full collection of threads stored on the ship from Ecclesiantics, Mystery Worship, and Small Fires boards probably mean that the ship is the best place to trace eclectic worship practices and beats any published text. It is not the depth it is the variety.

Jengie

True, but they still have to actually find anything in Oblivion - and we've all been there, done that, lost that afternoon. There're probably shipmates lost in there who've been there for weeks.
[Biased]

Not so much lost as made to sit there for a time and think about whatever it is they've done. [Biased]

Oblivion goes back to 2010, and looking at the size of it, probably needs a tidy before it gets out of control. For anything older than that, including threads from the boards that no longer exist like Urban Myths etc, then look in Limbo.

Tubbs
 
Posted by Surfing Madness (# 11087) on :
 
A VERY late media sighting. I was reading Stuart Maconie's book Adventures on the high teas when I came across a reference to Ship of Fools. Very surprised. [Smile]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
What does he say about us, Surfing?
 
Posted by Tree Bee (# 4033) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
It's not exactly a media sighting, but Tree Bee found mention of the Ship in a book she's been reading, Adventures on the High Teas by Stuart Maconie. It even mentions Hell! [Big Grin]

Wish I could help out by remembering what Stuart said about us. I think it was complimentary!
 
Posted by Jengie jon (# 273) on :
 
We have made it to Cracked. They unfortunately have not quite got the info right.

Jengie
 
Posted by Boadicea Trott (# 9621) on :
 
With reference to the Stuart Maconie reference to S of F in "Adventures on the High Teas", it starts by discussing Vaughan Williams' Down Ampney tune and how many people love it dearly, though others dislike it equally intensely:-

"And this is from a web forum called Ship of Fools, where con­trib­u­tors can ex­co­ri­ate the most hated kinds of peo­ple they know and con­demn them to eter­nal damna­tion:
‘I call to Hell all those who take it upon them­selves to lengthen the minim (half-note) at the halfway mark in Vaughan Williams’ fab­u­lous tune “Down Amp­ney”. This in­cludes the ed­i­tors of the lat­est An­gli­can Church of Canada hymn-book (Comic Praise), but also the mu­si­cians on BBC Choral Even­song broad­cast re­cently from St En­del­lion in Corn­wall. It de­flates the whole feel­ing of move­ment … Bring back the In­qui­si­tion, I say …’
There is some­thing of the very soul of Mid­dle Eng­land in this too, I feel. "
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
News.Mic reference the good ship ...
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
Not exactly a media sighting, but it's nice to imagine that this policy change by Tesco was brought about by a May 2014 Hell thread (now sadly extinct).
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Nope! I limbo'd it at the eleventh hour, because people kept referring to it. Currently bottom of page 16.


Great article. [Yipee]

[ 30. July 2015, 20:37: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
O.K. so this isn't really about our Ship, but maybe we can sue for defamation of character.
[Biased]
 
Posted by Spike (# 36) on :
 
Did anyone hear Simon on Radio 2 this morning?
 
Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :
 
Spike bumping this thread reminds me to tell you that Captain Simeon sails the wild seas of Down in The White City. The name of his ship is naturally The Ship of Fools.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
[Cool] I'll have to see if US Amazon has it.
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
Did anyone hear Simon on Radio 2 this morning?

From 40 mins
 


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