My profile login | | Directory | Search | FAQs | Board home   Printer-friendly view   » Ship of Fools   » Special interest discussion   » Ecclesiantics   » MW 3214: Maranatha Baptist, Peoria, Arizona Email this page to a friend or enemy.     Source: (consider it) Thread: MW 3214: Maranatha Baptist, Peoria, Arizona Al Eluia Inquisitor # 864 Posted                        I thought Amanda B. Reckondwythe was quite charitable in her report. (link) Based on the things I've read about Independent Fundamental Baptists, I might have expected a more hellish experience. For those of you not familiar with this segment of Christianity, here are a couple links: The Fundamentally Toxic Christianity www.baptistdeception.com/ There are many stories out there from people raised IFB who had pretty abusive family and church environments. On the relatively benign side, many IFB's hold to a kind of conspiracy theory about modern Bible translations. -------------------- Consider helping out the Anglican Seminary in El Salvador with a book or two! https://www.amazon.es/registry/wishlist/YDAZNSAWWWBT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_ws_7IRSzbD16R9RQ https://www.episcopalcafe.com/a-seminary-is-born-in-el-salvador/ Posts: 1157 | From: Seattle | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged Amanda B. Reckondwythe Dressed for Church # 5521 Posted                       Maybe I should have gone to Sunday school after all. -------------------- "I take prayer too seriously to use it as an excuse for avoiding work and responsibility." -- The Revd Martin Luther King Jr. Posts: 10542 | From: The Great Southwest | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged Bishops Finger Shipmate # 5430 Posted                        I think you escaped lightly, Miss Amanda. These people call themselves Christian? IJ -------------------- Our words are giants when they do us an injury, and dwarfs when they do us a service. (Wilkie Collins) Posts: 10151 | From: Behind The Wheel Again! | Registered: Jan 2004  |  IP: Logged Higgs Bosun Shipmate # 16582 Posted                        For those who shun rock music, the choice of opening song seems interesting. “You are good, you are good, when there’s nothing good in me” are lines from a Hillsong song entitled "Forever reign". It is a bit of a "Jesus is my boyfriend" song. Posts: 313 | From: Near the Tidal Thames | Registered: Aug 2011  |  IP: Logged Amanda B. Reckondwythe Dressed for Church # 5521 Posted                       That was my impression -- that they had taken a Christian rock song and de-rocked it. It does seem like IFBs have some peculiar notions, but they are far from being the only ecclesial community who thinks they are the One True Church and everyone else is doomed to hell. I tried not to be judgmental. I saw nothing in the service that really turned me off, although the pastor made some interesting remarks in his sermon when he was talking about "big sins" vs. "little sins." "You would never set foot in a bar or night club, but you don't come to church every Sunday." "You would never be unfaithful to your wife, but you like to look at pornographic magazines." "You would never commit a homosexual act, but you would never love a homosexual to God." (I found the latter expression especially interesting -- "love someone to God.") Mind you, I do not and cannot subscribe to many of their ultra-conservative beliefs, but I do think the testimony of those that are moved and inspired by the IFBs should be read along with the testimony of those who are repelled by them. -------------------- "I take prayer too seriously to use it as an excuse for avoiding work and responsibility." -- The Revd Martin Luther King Jr. Posts: 10542 | From: The Great Southwest | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged Al Eluia Inquisitor # 864 Posted                        I'm glad you had a good experience. I'm also glad the music at Maranatha wasn't like this: Worst gospel singer ever? I think this guy may be an IFB judging from the website of a church he mentions in the intro to the song. Click on the link if you dare! Posts: 1157 | From: Seattle | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged wild haggis Shipmate # 15555 Posted                    You don't want to read (or maybe you do) some of the rude comments that I've written on my copies of Christian music books over the years. Mind you it isn't new! Back in the early '80s at a college that used a book with Victorian Christian hymns and songs, we had one that talked about being deeply steeped in sin and giving it up long ago and instantly and now being as happy a a bird and just as free!!!!!! So nonsense words aren't new. Myself and 2 others stood at the back during morning prayers, singing the tune to "tweet, tweet, tweet." We were never caught. But when on morning piano duty and it came up again, I asked the leader that morning, who happened to be the Principal (didn't I have a cheek!) if they had ever really thought about the words. I said that for me and many others we were singing a lie. We never sang it again! He said he never really thought of it in these terms!!!!! There are many hymns and songs that I refuse to sing the words to. It isn't just morn stuff either. Look at Hymns Ancient and Modern or some of the other older hymn books. We have made ourselves into liars - just for the sake of a good tune or good sing. It happens all over the world in all different languages. As Christians we really need to think about what we say and sing in worship. -------------------- wild haggis Posts: 166 | From: Cardiff | Registered: Mar 2010  |  IP: Logged Printer-friendly view Go to: Select a board: Category: Ship's business -------------------- The Styx Category: Community discussion -------------------- Heaven Purgatory Hell All Saints Category: Special interest discussion -------------------- Ecclesiantics Kerygmania The Circus Dead Horses The Eighth Day Category: Ship's Locker -------------------- Glory Limbo Category: Things we did -------------------- Nativity Play Auctions The Laugh Judgment The Da Vinci Code Chapter & Worse Contact us | Ship of Fools | Privacy statement © Ship of Fools 2016 UBB.classicTM 6.5.0