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Posted by Enigma (# 16158) on :
 
All of us have reasons to be proud of our countries. Hot off the presses Wales has won the 'Grand Slam' of the rugby six nations championships. I am proud to be Welsh today. what are you proud of and why?
 

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Posted by Robert Armin (# 182) on :
 
Proud of the same thing and for the same reasons (and thousands of others!).
 

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Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
Anyone wishing to be proud of Scotland on the basis of their performance in the Six Nations has a hard row to hoe...

Though as it's St Patrick's Day, I can revert to nationality of origin rather than residence. But I am not sure I ever feel much of a patriotic glow, either Irish or Scottish. It's like family: it's where you belong, but you don't necessarily like them all the time.
 

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Posted by St. Gwladys (# 14504) on :
 
As Darllenwr is English, I try not to be tribal, especially when Wales are playing England. He didn't watch the match - reckoned it wouldn't be good for his blood pressure - but we were both happy that Wales won the Grand Slam! And yes, I'm proud to be Welsh.
 

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Posted by churchgeek (# 5557) on :
 
I think you Welsh folks should just be proud to be Welsh all the time, regardless of what the sports teams are doing!

I'm from Michigan, and we have an unreasonable amount of pride in where we're from. I remember once being told by someone from Toronto that in his hometown he saw more "University of Michigan" apparel and car stickers than he saw "University of Toronto." I see a lot of Michigan apparel out here in California, too! And we're always happy to show you, on our hands, precisely where in Michigan we're from. Because we can.

I'm an even more curious specimen from Michigan, too. I'm proud to be from Detroit! In fact I have this chosen delusion that when I tell people I'm from Detroit, they'll be jealous. Hasn't happened yet, but I'm sure people are just stifling it... I have had a few people respond with, "I'd really like to go there some time!" Which always surprises me - not because I don't think people should want to visit Detroit, but because it's so rare that people do.
 

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Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :
 
My grandad was Welsh, and in the Royal Navy, and played rugby, taught in Wales of course. He wasn't a "fighter", but one who mended and fixed the ships. He must have met my Scots granny when the ship was up at Dundee!

I'm feeling glad the Welsh are doing well atm.
 

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Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Ahem. Ill just have to dine out on the Rugby World Cup for three more years. Until we hand it to the French or Argentinians.

And Sir Edmund Hillary. And being the first nation to give women the vote. And the first nation to have a woman as a diocesan bishop (Anglican). And having an inclusive and generally accepting attitude to gay marriage. I would mention Phar lap and Pavlova and Split Enz and Russell Crowe and ... but that tends to get the Australians all upset. After all, they did quite well in the Rugby World Cup. Really. Even if they did need a kiwi coach to get them that far. (And I really truly wanted Wales to win that game).

And then (more seriously) those wonderful souls battling on after the Christchurch earthquake.

But it's too bloody cold for me to live there. So I hangout with a million other kiwis in Australia, increasing the average IQ of both countries, as Sir Robert Muldoon once said.



[ 17. March 2012, 21:38: Message edited by: Zappa ]
 

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Posted by The Weeder (# 11321) on :
 
Living as we do, on the borders of England and Wales, in a place that sees itself as a seperate entity, I feel I can 'place' myself where I want, so I opt for Wales.

The God children live on the English side of the border, but their father is definately a Valley Boy. Their mother booked into the nearest Welsh maternity unit for all 4 births. This is not at all unusual in the area.

One friend goes 'home' to Merthyr for her births. All of her children have been born in her mothers cottage, in the same bed in which she herself was born.

I am actually Irish by birth, and although I bought British Nationality when it was on special offer some years ago, still see my self as Irish.
 

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Posted by Sir Pellinore (ret'd) (# 12163) on :
 
I'm grateful that Australia and Australians seem to have contributed something of value to the world. Reeling off a list of luminaries in Art; Literature; Music; Politics or Sport would be somewhat vainglorious.

The concept of 'a fair go' for all and egalitarianism would be things I'd be most proud of.
 

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Posted by Kaplan Corday (# 16119) on :
 
As I've written before, my great-grandfather was a coal-miner from Tredegar in the valleys, who came out to Australia in 1869.

I have a copy of Josephus's Wars Of The Jews which his son, my grandfather, won at the Welsh Calvinistic Sunday School at Sebastopol for "committing to memory and correctly repeating 532 verses of the Holy Scriptures during the year 1883".

Now there's transplanted Welsh Nonconformity in all its austere glory!

I don't know a word of Welsh, but I treasure the story of the man who said that he prayed in Welsh so that God didn't have to translate.

(Lest anyone is doing sums based on the above dates and concluding that I must be a geriatric with one foot in the grave, I should point out that my father married and had children very late in life).
 

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Posted by Yerevan (# 10383) on :
 
Kaplan, my in-laws live in Tredegar, where my father-in-law is minister of the Congregationalist chapel. Sadly all the mines are gone now and the town has definitely seen better days.
 

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Posted by Kitten (# 1179) on :
 
I am always proud to be Welsh
 

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Posted by birdie (# 2173) on :
 
I've been pondering this lately; I think I always do at 6 nations time!

I've lived in Wales since finishing university, and most people seem to assume I am welsh, I think because I've taken on a bit of an accent. I love Wales, and I wanted to live here since I was a child of 8 or so.

Much as I love Wales, I don't feel welsh. But neither do I feel English, really. Certainly not any more, and I don't know if I ever did.

BUT I identify very, very strongly as being from the West Country. My accent comes back the second I get south of Bristol and if asked if I'm english, I'd probably reply that I'm from the West Country rather than just saying 'yes'.


(But I do support England in the rugby.)
 

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Posted by St. Gwladys (# 14504) on :
 

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Kaplan, my in-laws live in Tredegar, where my father-in-law is minister of the Congregationalist chapel. Sadly all the mines are gone now and the town has definitely seen better days.

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Kaplan, my in-laws live in Tredegar, where my father-in-law is minister of the Congregationalist chapel. Sadly all the mines are gone now and the town has definitely seen better days.

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but which Tredegar? Old or New? They are several miles apart, a fact which ahs caused a lot of problems over the years when delivery drivers have gor teh wrong one!

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Originally posted by Kaplan Corday:
We visited Old Tredegar about twelve years ago, but it appeared to be closed.

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(will you lot kindly let us Sais have some Dark please?)

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Jonah the Whale: Am I allowed to be proud to be English?

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I thought you were Dutch?
 

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Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 

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Jonah the Whale: Am I allowed to be proud to be English?

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I thought you were Dutch?

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I was under the impression that only English people referred to themselves as British.

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Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
I was under the impression that only English people referred to themselves as British.

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And there I was thinking it was only (a) the Northern Irish and (b) first-generation new citizens who used that word...
 

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Posted by Yerevan (# 10383) on :
 
Its the Tredegar in Blaenau Gwent (old Tredegar?)

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I was born in Wales of an English father and Scots mother, so I am confused.

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Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
I was under the impression that only English people referred to themselves as British.

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And there I was thinking it was only (a) the Northern Irish and (b) first-generation new citizens who used that word...

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Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
I was under the impression that only English people referred to themselves as British.

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And there I was thinking it was only (a) the Northern Irish and (b) first-generation new citizens who used that word...

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I am English, and a member of the Church of England, and a British citizen with an application outstanding for the renewal of a British passport. I'd use British as the adjective for United Kingdom of Great Britain.

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- Except that it is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
 

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Posted by venbede (# 16669) on :
 
I know it is and that's what it says on the passport, but I didn't want to muddle the argument with the hyper-sensitive issue of nationality in Northern Ireland/Ulster/the six counties.
 

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Posted by Enigma (# 16158) on :
 
So anyway - getting back to the point - what are you proud of (particularly in terms of country) and why??
I have another example - I'm proud to be someone living in such a small country which is able to look after so many sheep. For a short time anyway in terms of individuals.
 

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Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
I am proud of being born in LA and raised in Pasadena: my birthplace is one of the major cities of the world and the town where I grew up has a world-famous parade and American football game (which are sometimes held on my birthday as they were this year. It's like being born on a bank holiday! I have never worked or gone to school on my birthday.)
 

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Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :
 

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I've lived in Wales since finishing university, and most people seem to assume I am welsh, I think because I've taken on a bit of an accent. I love Wales, and I wanted to live here since I was a child of 8 or so.

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Ah but you look Welsh.

ATB Pyx_e
 

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Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 

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Originally posted by Enigma:
I'm proud to be someone living in such a small country which is able to look after so many sheep. For a short time anyway in terms of individuals.

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Originally posted by Yerevan:
My son (born in England) is half Irish, one quarter English and one quarter Welsh. We just need to marry him off to a Scot to get the full set.

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Nah! You need Cornish in there as well . I suppose "she" could be a Scot born in Cornwall.
 

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Posted by Yerevan (# 10383) on :
 

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I know it is and that's what it says on the passport, but I didn't want to muddle the argument with the hyper-sensitive issue of nationality in Northern Ireland/Ulster/the six counties.

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Of course if you want to be really anal both Northern Ireland and Ulster are inaccurate, as the most northerly point in Ireland and three of the nine counties of Ulster are actually in the Republic.

Its a minefield

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Posted by St. Gwladys (# 14504) on :
 
Although I consider myself Welsh, I've found that back in the nineteenth century, my ancestors came mainly from the West Country and Herefordshire, with an infusion from West Wales. I'm a bit disappointed that the furthest West was Frome! Morlader, I would have loved to have some Cornish blood!
 

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Posted by Eigon (# 4917) on :
 
I'm not Welsh, but having lived in a Border town for 20 years I do find myself being very proud of Welsh things. I'm fascinated by native Welsh history, including belonging to a re-enactment group which portrays 13thC Welsh mercenaries. I'm fond of Welsh beer (Otley, Breconshire, Brains Dark....), and voted Yes to the Welsh Assembly. And I know bits of Welsh, but not enough to hold a conversation.

And if I'm not belonging to Hay now, then I must be a Mancunian, though it's so long since I went back there I'd get lost as soon as I got off the train!
 

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Originally posted by St. Gwladys:
... Morlader, I would have loved to have some Cornish blood!

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Crossing the Tamar Bridge at Saltash East-West a few weeks back, I noticed there was no toll, but there appeared to be a toll if traveling West-East.

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Yes, that's right - in several senses . TPTB decided that people should be charged to leave Cornwall, but not to enter it. On the road bridge. To collect fees in each direction would be much less efficient for the bridge authorities, hold up both directions of traffic and require more land.

VB ".. but there appeared to be a toll if travelling West-East..." how did you get back to England? Were you actually crossing on Brunell's Royal Albert Bridge? Or are you still here? (Just being nosey).
 

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Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :
 

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Originally posted by Enigma:
Another thing that I'm proud of is that, generally speaking, Welsh people are quite friendly and chatty. Is that true??

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VB ".. but there appeared to be a toll if travelling West-East..." how did you get back to England? Were you actually crossing on Brunell's Royal Albert Bridge? Or are you still here? (Just being nosey).

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I travelled over on the road bridge beside the Brunel Royal Albert.

I returned via Launceston. I'm back in Croydon after a journey involving two visits to an Audi repair place because a light began flashing on the dashboard. Needless to say, this only happened when I reached Devon.

I bought two wonderful thick knitted pullovers in St Ives, which were half the price I'd get them in London.

Truro's nice, isn't it?
 

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Posted by Sandemaniac (# 12829) on :
 
I'm going to shock everyone and announce that I'm proud to be from Essex.

We have acres of rolling countryside, and so much history that you have to beat it off with a stick. Roman forts, Iron age field systems, our own Saxon kingdom with a princely burial at Prittlewell and the world's most alliterative kings, and poetry about vikings. All this in a county with allegedly the longest coastline of any in England, and the loveliest village in England.

And the people sound like this: - scroll south-west and click on the wee mannie near Chelmsford.

We also have Willingale Doe and Spain, Rotten End and Shellow Bowells, and the magically named Cattawade.

I have never driven a white Ford Escort, danced round a handbag, or had sex with anyone named Sharon (in or out of a car).

AG
 

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Posted by Morlader (# 16040) on :
 
@ Venbede : Forgot the Lanson road. No excuse, as it is how I get to England and back. again.

Yes, Truro is "nice" - both the city and the cathedral.

@ Sandemaniac : as Cornwall is not a county of England, I'll let your comment about Essex having the longest coastline pass.
 

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Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 

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Another thing that I'm proud of is that, generally speaking, Welsh people are quite friendly and chatty. Is that true??

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Another thing that I'm proud of is that, generally speaking, Welsh people are quite friendly and chatty. Is that true??

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The Irish tend to have a strong sense of place.

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The Irish tend to have a strong sense of place.

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So do the people of Appalachia. There are actually many similarities between the culture of Ireland and the culture of Appalachia.

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[QB] Ok back to the point

I like being Irish because...

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There was wonderful IMO Welsh men singing hymns a few Sundays ago - many were in their 80s! Music in Wales is very excellent, isn't it?

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I think so but then I could be biased.
 

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Posted by Enigma (# 16158) on :
 
Sorry for double post - Calon Lan - Only Boys Aloud - Britain's got Talent - yes we can sing!!!!
 

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Posted by Ondergard (# 9324) on :
 

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My son (born in England) is half Irish, one quarter English and one quarter Welsh. We just need to marry him off to a Scot to get the full set.

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Nah! You need Cornish in there as well . I suppose "she" could be a Scot born in Cornwall.

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The Irish tend to have a strong sense of place. A non-Irish sociologist friend of mine living in Dublin reckoned that every culture has a single question which is used to place people. The Irish one is "Where are you from?", whereas the English one is probably "What do you do?"

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Cornwall existed, had it's own king, religion, language, culture, before England was...

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A non-Irish sociologist friend of mine living in Dublin reckoned that every culture has a single question which is used to place people. The Irish one is "Where are you from?", whereas the English one is probably "What do you do?"

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That's because those are the polite questions they can get away with. What the Irish really are trying to find out - but daren't ask directly - is what religion is your family and what side were your grandfathers or their fathers on in the 1920s.

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@ Sandemaniac : as Cornwall is not a county of England, I'll let your comment about Essex having the longest coastline pass.

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Sorry Enigma, but Only Boys Aloud's performance was the low point of the programme for me - a really over-sentimentalised version of the hymn with the rhythm hacked to pieces (changed from 3/4 to 4/4) to make it sound contemporary.
I've never been a great fan of Welsh male voice choirs but I am proud of the importance Wales has placed on music. Cardiff, for its size, has an extraordinary number of choirs. If you're hoping to join one, you can more or less choose the style, the standard and the night of the week you want!

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I was delighted that they sang a hymn - unusual for such competitions. We'll see what everyone else thinks shall we?? Until then I'm happy to agree to differ . I've already joined a (mixed) choir - but not in Cardiff.
 

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Posted by NJA (# 13022) on :
 
I enjoyed Ivor The Engine as a child.
 

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Posted by Kaplan Corday (# 16119) on :
 

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The Irish tend to have a strong sense of place. A non-Irish sociologist friend of mine living in Dublin reckoned that every culture has a single question which is used to place people. The Irish one is "Where are you from?", whereas the English one is probably "What do you do?"

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In New Zealand, people like to place each other by trying to locate a common friend or acquaintance

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This is so true. I discovered that a friend of mine knows Zappa's mother and Arabella Purity Winerbottom was acquainted with another friend

What I like about Christchurch is the innovative responses to the effects of the quakes - flowers place in the top of orange road cones and the "gapfillers" like putting an armchair and an old vertical freezer filled with books on the site of a demolished building and inviting people to use it as a library, or the old piano down the road - which is used to host slightly out of tune recitals.

Huia
 

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Posted by Morlader (# 16040) on :
 
@ MiM: It depends on how you measure it, as was demonstrated on tele not long ago (in "Coast"?). From a coastal path point of view (!) you would cut off the craggy headlands. From a length-of-seaboard pov Cornwall "wins". Anyway, you can't surf from a coastal path

@KC: Know Gulval, went through it last night after singing Mass for Annunciation. As for hating being underground, yes, I'm not surprised: the folk memory of being hot, wet, dark and tired - even of one's colleagues/husbands/sons being killed or injured - runs through the generations, IMO. It wasn't romantic or fun, it was dangerous and exploitative.

Kemmer wydh, onan hag oll. [Take care, one and all].
 

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Posted by St. Gwladys (# 14504) on :
 
I somtimes think that the reason for "Where ew from" in South Wales is to find out "Who you belonging to?" - what are your family connections?
And on a completely different tangent, Tim, the director of Only Men Aloud and Only Boys Aloud is the nephew of one of my friends in church!
 

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Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :
 
Given that Coastline of Britain is infinite in length, I suggest arguments of which county has the longest are unreasonable.

Jengie
 

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Posted by mark_in_manchester (# 15978) on :
 
that's interesting, Jengie.

Essex 'wins' if one includes interminable estuarine inlets, perhaps up to the tide limit one can find on OS maps (my mate makes this sound like pleasant walking - really!). Given such features are generally pretty 'smoooth', I would have thought the length you get as the ruler gets shorter and shorter would assymptote to some converged value, rather than carrying on increasing to infinity...but then I wouldn't want to take on Mandelbrot...
 

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Posted by Yerevan (# 10383) on :
 

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I somtimes think that the reason for "Where ew from" in South Wales is to find out "Who you belonging to?" - what are your family connections?

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From a length-of-seaboard pov Cornwall "wins". Anyway, you can't surf from a coastal path

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I somtimes think that the reason for "Where ew from" in South Wales is to find out "Who you belonging to?" - what are your family connections?

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Apparently there used to be only two places in rural Pembrokeshire, one's own village and "off", which could be anywhere from Tenby to Ulan Bator.

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Have you ever surfed in Cornwall? I have. I hired a board at Sennen Cove near Land's End when we were staying at the big white hotel overlooking the harbour in Penzance and had hired a Vauxhall Astra. I really enjoyed it: the waves were great and I had a good conversation with another surfer who was local.

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Glad you enjoyed surfing. No, I've never surfed anywhere: when I was fit enough to swim, I was too scared to try. Now I live in Cornwall (actually in the same benefice as Sennen - and I had a succession of Astras ) I disappear inland during the summer months: too many tourists clogging up the coastal roads, parking places, and pub lunch venues. I'm not antagonistic to tourists and I know the official line "tourism is our most important "industry" " but I prefer to be away from the sun-tanned, lager-drinking brigade.

Come back soon, SirK, and leave time before or after your surfing to try eg. the industrial history.
 

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Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
I had the good sense God gave me to come over while the ASBOs and other teenage punks were still in school in the first half of July 2007. Hope to visit next year or the year after if my wife signs a lucrative teaching contract and I can eliminate mass quantities of debt plus save a bit!
 

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This is so true. I discovered that a friend of mine knows Zappa's mother and Arabella Purity Winerbottom was acquainted with another friend
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I discovered that a friend of mine knows Zappa's mother and Arabella Purity Winerbottom was acquainted with another friend

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Holy macaroni. It's bad enough that the old girl was thinking of getting a Facebook account - next she'll be on the Ship I promise never to say words that rhyme with "duck" again.

Mind you, I'm a bit puzzled. "Hello. Do you know Mrs Zappa? Her son's called Frank."

Of course I also discovered that APW 's partner used to flat with my sister. I'm safer in Darwin, methinks.
 

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Posted by Huia (# 3473) on :
 
Just to make you even more paranoid, I think you attended the same seconday school, but years apart as he's in his 70's.

Huia - everwilling to disturb the mental health of hosts.
 

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Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
I'm not sure how this proves you're both Welsh though.
 

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Posted by ExclamationMark (# 14715) on :
 
Proud of being East Anglian. The sunsets/sunrises over vast horizons

"Is sunset still a golden sea
from Haslingfield to Madingley?" (Rupert Brooke)

The backbone of modern democracy (Cromwell).

Interesting in a survey published this week, that 2 of the top 3 most relaxing areas to live are E Cambs and S Cambs. I'm an uplands man myself, from the far SW Cambs.

Interesting posts upthread about how people are described by their village of origin. Older fenman reckon that each village has its own accent and special words (ceratinly true in N and S cambs). Even adjacent villages are suspicious of outsiders: an old insult used to be "What's your village doing for one today then? (Traditionally said to a visitor to another village, implying that as every village had someone who was a bit "lacking" that village wqas lacking itself today).
 

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Posted by Enigma (# 16158) on :
 
I don't know whether this is a part of being Welsh but round here it is a rare thing for married ladies primarily to be known by their married surnames, however long they've been married. Once a Jones always a Jones it seems. It is a good way of identifying who belongs to who going back through the generations!
 

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Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
That was certainly the case with my nain (grandmother). Maiden name was Jones, married name was Jones. I don't think she was related to my taid though (except by marriage).
 

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Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :
 
And the Scots women when married also kept their own surnames - is it only the England people who don't do that now? Did they use to do it?
 

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Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :
 
Maybe it's just the circles I mix with, but it seems to me that there is a bit of a backlash going on in England: a few years ago it seemed the increasing (albeit minority) trend for women to keep their own surnames; I've noticed fewer doing that now. One woman I know insisted on keeping her name when she married, but ended up changing it when her children started school because it caused confusion (the children having take the husband's surname).
[sorry I've just noticed which thread I'm posting on and apologise to my Cymraeg friends for the tangent]

[ 02. April 2012, 21:08: Message edited by: Angloid ]
 

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Posted by Enigma (# 16158) on :
 
Angloid - worry not. The thing is that, regardless of the married name which most Welsh couples are thrilled to acknowledge, those around them will never understand!
 

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Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 

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Just to make you even more paranoid, I think you attended the same seconday school, but years apart as he's in his 70's.

Huia - everwilling to disturb the mental health of hosts.

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Proud of being East Anglian. ....

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