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I've just printed a list of Holy Week services for the edification and reminding of the faithful, and I wonder if we're overdoing it a bit.......
The Vicar of our next-door parish and I have been trying to get our various neighbouring churches to hold joint services in Holy Week (she and I collaborate each year with a Holy Week Taize Prayer, alternating between churches), so the programme facing our little congregationette this year is:
Palm Sunday
1030am Liturgy of Palms, Parish Mass and Confirmation (yes, I know - an odd time, but it was planned for February and postponed because of the snow....and you have to grab Bishops when you can!)
5pm Forward-in-Faith Service of Penitence elsewhere in the Diocese (we hosted it last year, and managed to get our Diocesan Bishop along to preach)
Monday in Holy Week
930am Morning Prayer
8pm Meditation and Compline at next-door parish
Tuesday in Holy Week
930am Morning Prayer
8pm Taize Prayer at our place
Wednesday in Holy Week
930am Morning Prayer
8pm Music and Meditation at our next-door parish on t'other side (charismatic-evo!)
Maundy Thursday
930am Morning Prayer
11am Chrism Mass somewhere for our p-in-c
730pm Solemn Mass with foot-washing, procession etc.
1045pm Compline
Good Friday
930am Morning Prayer
followed by coffee + hot cross buns
11am Solemn Liturgy of the Day
Holy Saturday
930am Morning Prayer (no Mass) followed by preparation of the Church.....
8pm Easter Vigil at a parish across the river, where our p-in-c is preaching
Easter Sunday morning
930am Matins (BCP)
1030am Blessing of the Easter Garden, Lighting of the Paschal Candle, Parish Mass and Renewal of Baptismal Vows (followed by seasonal refreshments, including wine and chocolate)
Easter Sunday afternoon - collapse of p-in-c, churchwardens and ministry team into humpled creeps.....
....and this year we are not attempting (as in past years) to have a midday Mass and a midday Stations of the Cross in Holy Week! Who said Christmas was the Church's busiest time?
Having said all that, I'm really looking forward to Holy Week. Yes, it is a busy time, but O what joy to see the faithful growing in faith as they follow Our Lord!
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Palm Sunday 1030 Procession of palms and Sung
Eucharist
Monday to Thursday incl. 0900 Morning Prayer
Monday and Thursday 1930 ecumenical, churches together services at different venues
Wednesday 2000 Stations
Thursday 2000 Eucharist of the last Supper, footwashing, procession and watch until Midnight.
Friday 1400 The Liturgy (Readings, veneration of the cross, solemn prayers and Holy Communion)
Sunday 0700 Easter Liturgy part 1 (New fire, readings)
Breakfast
1030 Easter Liturgy resumes with renewal of baptismal vows and sung eucharist
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I will be in Milan for what is Palm Sunday everywhere else... I will probably go to the Latin Mass at the Basilica of Sant'Ambrogio and try to work out what delights the modern Ambrosian Rite has in store!
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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
what delights the modern Ambrosian Rite has in store!
The greeting of peace in the Common Worship position, IIRC.
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Originally posted by venbede:
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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
what delights the modern Ambrosian Rite has in store!
The greeting of peace in the Common Worship position, IIRC.
Well, yes, that, plus a few funny extra prayers and sentences in the Canon and three Kyries instead of Kyrie/Christe/Kyrie. But I'm not sure what will happening for anything relating to Palms!
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Originally posted by venbede:
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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
what delights the modern Ambrosian Rite has in store!
The greeting of peace in the Common Worship position, IIRC.
Although I do know where you mean, (prior to the Offertory), Common Worship has four positions for the Peace. I remember this because it's rubrical sanction of the Roman position was one of the things that I welcomed when Common Worship was introduced.
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(Whisper. Michael's quite right. Perhaps I should have said the Byzantine position. In fact Common Worship is probably the only liturgical book other than the Roman Missal, which allows the peace after the Lord's Prayer.)
I love Holy Week.
The best reason for having lights, incense, altar hangings and accompanied music is that it is so impressive when they are left off for a day. (OK Thursday evening to Saturday night.)
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Palm Sunday:
8:30 said mass
10:30 sung mass (1962 missal)
12:15 solemn mass and procession (1970 missal)
5:00 solemn vespers and benediction
8:00 said mass.
Spy Wednesday:
Tenebrae sung by the schola, 7:30 PM
Maundy Thursday:
7:30 solemn mass, the maundy, and procession. Watch at the altar of repose until midnight.
Good Friday:
Tenebrae sung by the schola,7:00 AM
Confessions: 11:00-2:30
3:00 Mass of the presanctified
Holy Saturday:
Tenebrae sung by the schola,7:00 AM
Blessing of easter baskets, 3:00
Confessions: 12:00-3:00
Vigil and first solemn mass of easter, 8:30 PM
Easter Day:
8:30 sung mass (1970 missal)
10:30 sung mass (1962 missal)
12:15 solemn mass (1970 missal)
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
...because it's rubrical sanction...
I swear that this is a result of Android's auto-"correction" and was not a conscious choice on my part. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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I'm intrigued by the blessing of Easter baskets on Saturday afternoon.
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Same here. I know that it's popular in Russian culture but wasn't aware of it among Roman Catholics in Pennsylvania.
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Originally posted by Fuzzipeg:
I find it hard to believe that no-one has Stations of the Cross!
We have been doing it every Friday evening through Lent, so it probably will not crop up in Holy Week
As for Holy Week it will be as follows in my shack:
Palm Sunday
8.35am MP
9.00am Low Mass
10.30am Blessing of Palms, Procession and Mass (1967 Scottish for the Palms, then 1928 BCP/AM for the Mass)
Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday
9.35am MP
10.00am Low Mass
Maundy Thursday
7.00pm Solemn Mass
Good Friday
11am MP, Litany and Ante-Communion (BCP)
12noon Stations of the Cross (maybe)
7.00pm Good Friday Liturgy (Scottish 1967 version)
Holy Saturday
7.30pm Easter Vigil (Scottish 1967 version)
Easter
8.35am Morning Prayer
9.00am Low Mass
10.30am High Mass
The Scottish 1967 Holy Week is a nice adaption of the Pius XII Triduum to High Anglican sensibilities which I have come to favour over the years. However, the visual side tends to be more Pius V than Pius XII - volet all the way through on Palm Sunday, and Black on Good Friday. Also no foot washing on Mundy Thursday as that it a relatively late addition to the service in parish churches.
All in all I should be thoroughly knackered by that point and the servers will be looking to lynch the priest, so at that point we will take a couple of days off.
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I'm intrigued by the blessing of Easter baskets on Saturday afternoon.
At St Hyacinth Basilica, a Polish Roman Catholic parish in Chicago, food baskets are blessed from 1 to 4 p.m. on Holy Saturday. It's quite a traffic jam on the nearby streets, with many cars driven by men who drop off their wives (or wives who drop off their husbands) to wait in line, and two lines of people with baskets move up the center aisle toward two priests with big brush-type aspergillums with which they splatter food baskets and their bearers. Quite the spectacle. The priests take turns splattering and going to the ambo to announce the times of the nine Easter Masses in Polish and English. After receiving the blessing, some families pose in the nearby grotto to have their photo taken with the corpse of Our Lord. No smiling, please!
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As a prelude to Holy Week, look for the new Paschal crescent in the western sky at sunset on Saturday, March 24, when the Paschal lunar month in the Gregorian calendar begins.
The new crescent moon can be a truly lovely sight. A Jewish custom, which has an analog in Christian folk-customs of some lands, is to greet the new moon with the following rhyme:
barukh yotsrekh, barukh 'osekh, barukh qonekh, barukh borekh. (Blessed is your shaper, blessed is your maker, blessed is your keeper, blessed is your creator.)
In the old calendar, the Paschal lunar month does not start until 4 days later, at sunset on March 28.
The 14th of the month (the Paschal full moon) is on April 7 this year, so Easter itself is as early as it can be in the lunar month, on the 15th of the moon, and if you have a clear sky you will see a full moon climbing as the festival begins at sunset on Saturday, April 7.
In the old calendar, the moon is not full until 4 days later, on April 11th.
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
Same here. I know that it's popular in Russian culture but wasn't aware of it among Roman Catholics in Pennsylvania.
It makes sense if there are a lot of Poles in the neighborhood. They're fellow Slavs.
Doing it on Holy Saturday makes sense because either it enables the food baskets to be already blessed on Easter Sunday morning, or because it's a remnant of when the Vigil was still celebrated on Holy Saturday during the day, or because of both.
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Originally posted by venbede:
(Whisper. Michael's quite right. Perhaps I should have said the Byzantine position. In fact Common Worship is probably the only liturgical book other than the Roman Missal, which allows the peace after the Lord's Prayer.)
(Ssssshhh! The 1979 BCP of the Episcopal Church in the USA allows it there, as well. )
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Palm Sunday
Solemn Mass & Palm Procession 9AM
Low Mass 11:30AM
Confessions before both Masses
Monday in Holy Week
Low Mass 6:30 & 9AM
Confessions before both Masses
Tuesday in Holy Week
Low Mass 6:30 & 9AM
Confessions before both Masses
Spy Wednesday
Low Mass 6:30 & 9AM
Confessions before both Masses
Maundy Thursday
Confessions 6:3---7:45PM
Solemmn Msss 8PM
(includes washing of feet, procession to altar of repose, stripping of the altars, vigil)
Good Friday
Confessions 1-2PM
Liturgy of the Passion 3PM
Quiet Fish Dinner, w/ recollection 5:30PM
Stations of the Cross 7PM
Holy Saturday
Confessions 10--11AM, 8-9PM
Easter Vigil Liturgy 10:30PM
Easter Day
Low Mass 9AM
Easter Egg Hunt after Low Mass
High Mass 11:30AM
Divine Mercy (Low) Sunday
Low Mass 9AM
High Mass 11:30AM
Confessions 1-2PM
Divine Mercy Blessing & Chaplet 3PM
We used to have the blessing of Easter baskets on Holy Saturday, but not many people came.
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Baskets for the RCs certainly get blessed on Holy Saturday here. It has the affect that people start to eat the eggs afterwards and consider that the fast has been broken.
My protest that Easter hasn't started yet are not listened to, as I am fighting tradition.
I get annoyed with the non-observation of Holy Saturday every year (not just in Poland), but that's a matter for another thread.
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Originally posted by PD:
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Originally posted by Fuzzipeg:
I find it hard to believe that no-one has Stations of the Cross!
We have been doing it every Friday evening through Lent, so it probably will not crop up in Holy Week
As for Holy Week it will be as follows in my shack:
Palm Sunday
8.35am MP
9.00am Low Mass
10.30am Blessing of Palms, Procession and Mass (1967 Scottish for the Palms, then 1928 BCP/AM for the Mass)
Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday
9.35am MP
10.00am Low Mass
Maundy Thursday
7.00pm Solemn Mass
Good Friday
11am MP, Litany and Ante-Communion (BCP)
12noon Stations of the Cross (maybe)
7.00pm Good Friday Liturgy (Scottish 1967 version)
Holy Saturday
7.30pm Easter Vigil (Scottish 1967 version)
Easter
8.35am Morning Prayer
9.00am Low Mass
10.30am High Mass
The Scottish 1967 Holy Week is a nice adaption of the Pius XII Triduum to High Anglican sensibilities which I have come to favour over the years. However, the visual side tends to be more Pius V than Pius XII - volet all the way through on Palm Sunday, and Black on Good Friday. Also no foot washing on Mundy Thursday as that it a relatively late addition to the service in parish churches.
All in all I should be thoroughly knackered by that point and the servers will be looking to lynch the priest, so at that point we will take a couple of days off.
PD
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As a choir person I think of rehearsals and services..
Saturday before Palm Sunday - rehearsal of the Passion Gospel (because we are chanting it and the choir is doing the crowd scenes and of course we are doing it in Latin... ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) )
Palm Sunday - 8:30 Said service, 10:30 Sung Eucharist (with choir)
Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday - No services listed (I'm sure we will have choir practice sometime...)
Thursday - Maundy Thursday service at 7:00 with choir (last time organ will be on for awhile)
Friday - Good Friday service at 12:00 with choir (but no organ, all accapella)
Saturday - No services, egg stuffing and dying and probable choir rehearsal
Sunday - 0dark30 - Easter Vigil with choir support (of those of us willing to get up that early, organ back on in the middle), 8:30 Said Service, 10:30 Sung Eucharist with choir.
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Palm/Passion Sunday:
Liturgy of the Palms and the Holy Eucharist
Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday of Holy Week:
6:30 pm Holy Eucharist in chapel
Maundy Thursday
Agapé dinner in the parish hall with the Liturgy of the Word, then the Holy Eucharist in the church, with foot washing and stripping of the altar. Followed by Watch in the Garden of Repose (chapel).
Good Friday
7 a.m. Good Friday Liturgy
6:30 p.m. Mass of the Pre-Sanctified
Easter Vigil
8:00 pm followed by festive reception
Easter Sunday
The Holy Eucharist followed by champagne brunch and Easter egg hunt
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Palm Sunday: 7,30 Mass & Blessing of Palms
9,30 Sung Mass ditto
18,00 Sung Mass ditto
Monday, Tuesday & Wednesday:
6,00 Mass
13,10 Mass
Holy Thursday:
6,00 Mass
10,00 Chrism Mass at the Cathedral
(Down the road)
13,10 Mass
19,00 Mass of the Lord's Supper
Good Friday: 10,30: Solemn Lauds & Sermon
15,00: Celebration of the Lord's
Passion
Holy Saturday:
19,00: Easter Vigil
Easter Day: 7,30: Mass
9,00: Solemn Lauds
9,30: Sung Mass
Easter Monday:9,00 Mass
We also have Stations of the Cross on Fridays during Lent but not on Good Friday.
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Re Stations of the Cross - we hold this trad devotion on Friday evenings during Lent (with attendance ranging from 11 to 5 + the church mice), but not during Holy Week.
Last year, we tried - on Good Friday - Morning Prayer at 930am, Stations at 10am and the Solemn Liturgy at 11am, but it was just too much of a rush. This year, Stations have been omitted.....
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We used to have Stations of the Cross, and also the Easter Vigil on the Saturday. But that was the old vicar.
Now, we still have Compline and address by a visiting speaker on the Mon, Tue, Wed; Maundy Thursday Eucharist with foot-washing; three hours at the cross (address and meditation, followed by the Last Hour choral Eucharist) and Easter Day services, so not a huge amount of change. The main addition is a donkey leading the Palm Sunday procession.
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Originally posted by Mamacita:
7 a.m. Good Friday Liturgy
6:30 p.m. Mass of the Pre-Sanctified
What's the difference? I've always understood these to be different terms for the same thing.
I think they're completely different. The Good Friday liturgy includes Solemn Collects, Veneration of the Cross, lessons, and a sermon (not in that order, necessarily). It need not include reception of Holy Communion. If it does, that bit is a sort of Mass of the Pre-sanctified. Looks like they're doing that bit separately.
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Passion/ Palm Sunday (AKA Music Sunday) one 10:30 traditional service.
Wednesday 6:30 Holy Week service after the fellowship dinner.
Good Friday 6:00 service preceded by prayer from 1:00-6:00.
Holy Saturday Easter Egg Hunt.
Easter 0dark30 Sunrise service. 9:00 contemporary service, 10:30 traditional. And an Easter brunch.
FUMC and jj sitting under the candle.
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Originally posted by Mockingbird:
As a prelude to Holy Week, look for the new Paschal crescent in the western sky at sunset on Saturday, March 24, when the Paschal lunar month in the Gregorian calendar begins.
Jupiter and Venus will still be bright in the sky at the same time, close to each other, the Moon, and the setting Sun, and if you are lucky you will see Mars and Saturn rising over in the opposite corner of the sky ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Cribbed mostly from the parish webpage:
Wednesday: Stations of the Cross
Thursday: Agape Potluck & Maundy Thursday Liturgy
Friday: The Seven Last Words
Friday: Good Friday Liturgy
Saturday: The Easter Vigil and annual Omelet and Champagne Celebration!
Sunday: Easter Sunday, with trumpets, Eucharist, and flowering of the cross
Or, as I described it to my parents, "Lector, EM, Lector, Lector, EM." I get Abraham and Isaac on the Great Vigil.
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Originally posted by Oblatus:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Mamacita:
7 a.m. Good Friday Liturgy
6:30 p.m. Mass of the Pre-Sanctified
What's the difference? I've always understood these to be different terms for the same thing.
I think they're completely different. The Good Friday liturgy includes Solemn Collects, Veneration of the Cross, lessons, and a sermon (not in that order, necessarily). It need not include reception of Holy Communion. If it does, that bit is a sort of Mass of the Pre-sanctified. Looks like they're doing that bit separately.
The 'Mass of the Presanctified' is just the old-fashioned name for the Good Friday Liturgy = readings, solemn prayers, veneration and Hv from reserved sacrament.
The Communion is optional in the c of E because some MOTR believe that there shouldn't be HC on this solemn day and because some evangelicals have a full-blooded celebration of the eucharist to 'celebrate the Lord's death until he come.'
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Oh dear, lots of Anglicans on this thread but not one mention of Litany & Ante-Communion. Is it extinct, even in Evo circles?
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Originally posted by Oblatus:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Mamacita:
7 a.m. Good Friday Liturgy
6:30 p.m. Mass of the Pre-Sanctified
What's the difference? I've always understood these to be different terms for the same thing.
I think they're completely different. The Good Friday liturgy includes Solemn Collects, Veneration of the Cross, lessons, and a sermon (not in that order, necessarily). It need not include reception of Holy Communion. If it does, that bit is a sort of Mass of the Pre-sanctified. Looks like they're doing that bit separately.
Right. You can find the Good Friday Liturgy on page 276 here. We are having the liturgy without communion in the morning and with communion in the evening. We used to do it the other way around (which made more sense to me, having Jesus effectively "gone" by later in the day) but we are in an interregnum now and things are different.
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Oh dear, lots of Anglicans on this thread but not one mention of Litany & Ante-Communion. Is it extinct, even in Evo circles?
It was mentioned upthread. I used to go to a church with the old church on the opposite side of the road, where Sunday Matins and Evensong took place.
They use to have Matins and Ante-Communion on Good Friday for the old brigade, until one year nobody turned up and the Rector saw that as a good reason for dropping it.
I imagine the majority of English Evangelical Anglicans nowadays wouldn't have a clue what Matins and Ante Communion is. They might well be a bit hazy about Matins.
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7 a.m. Good Friday Liturgy
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What's the difference? I've always understood these to be different terms for the same thing.
I think they're completely different. The Good Friday liturgy includes Solemn Collects, Veneration of the Cross, lessons, and a sermon (not in that order, necessarily). It need not include reception of Holy Communion. If it does, that bit is a sort of Mass of the Pre-sanctified. Looks like they're doing that bit separately.
Right. You can find the Good Friday Liturgy on page 276 here. We are having the liturgy without communion in the morning and with communion in the evening. We used to do it the other way around (which made more sense to me, having Jesus effectively "gone" by later in the day) but we are in an interregnum now and things are different.
I see - though I thought it was forbidden to have any of the Triduum litutgies more than once in the same church.
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It's a simple thing, but I'm sure it makes a big difference that in the UK Good Friday is a public holiday. It may be a good thing if the Liturgy of the Day was not always attached to the hours of 12 to 3, as is usual in the UK.
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In the rc church the Good Friday liturgy is ,in principle,celebrated only once. If however there is a real need it may be celebrated more than once.
At the moment the UK includes Scotland where Good Friday is a bank holiday,i.e. the banks are closed,but it is not generally in Scotland a public holiday.
The Good Friday liturgy is generally celebrated at 3pm in the rc church but can be at other times either 5pm or occasionally later in the evening.
The rc cathedral in Edinburgh has sometimes two Good Friday celebrations of the liturgy - one in English and one in Polish.
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Good Friday is a normal working day here, so there is absolutely no point in having the Good Friday Liturgy in the afternoon. I go for early evening - usually 7pm - the hopes of having a reasonably large congregation. The older/Low Church crowd prefer Matin, Litany and Ante-Communion so that occurs at 11am. I usually get a dozen at the 11am and two dozen at 7pm - which is about 80% of ASA.
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Does anyone have a Good Friday evening devotional service as a quiet service - such as Maria Desolata or a Pieta service?
As I've said on the thread on after Good Friday liturgy thread I think this quiet gathering at the sepulchre is appropriate. Sometimes in the rush of things we forget to reflect on the death of Our Lord.
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Nice BCP option on Good Friday!
Actually, quite a lot of our Holy Week celebations is BCP, it is the optional extras that tend to be from elsewhere - usually the 1967 Scottish supplement, which is excellent.
My parish high 'very High 1928 BCP' rather than 'American Missal' which would tend to define a lot of our Liturgical tradition. One friend of mine who comes from a Missal tradition used to say that my parish was one of the few that was still genuinely 'Prayer Book Catholic.'
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My regular place is having, as usual,
SUNDAY
Usual Sunday schedule of Eucharists at 8, 9 and 11:15am with Palm processions before 9 and 11pm.
WEDNESDAY
Tenebrae at 7pm - too early i think as the sunset doesn't occur til after the service is over
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5:45 pm Pot luck Agape supper
7pm Maundy Thurday Eucharist with footwashing and followed by the stripping of the altar
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the 7 Last Words from noon to 3
Stations of the Cross -- at 6pm
the Good Friday liturgy at 7pm (But, if like last year, without communion ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif) )
As is customary, there is, in our chapel, an all nite vigil before the reserved sacrament from the end of the Maundy Thursday liturgy until the 7 Last Words. Since we've started having daily morning prayer in the chapel, i wonder if we will have it Friday morning.
Nearly every RC church as well as every Episc place that I have been familiar with has had the Good Frifay liturgy in the evening, because of it being a working day in the US. However, the highest-up-the-candle Episc church in Atlanta makes the Good Friday liturgy into a 3-hour service (from Noon to 3 obviously) by incorporating the 7 Last Words sermons after the Passion Gospel.
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Easter Vigil at 6am - folks are encouraged to bring bells
Easter Eucharists with brass, tympany etc. at 9 and 11:15am. The kiddies do a flowering of the cross at the beginning of the 9am
As far as I can tell, every Episcopal church in Atlanta, with one exception, is doing the Easter Vigil at 6am. The cathedral just moved it to this location -- previously I think they were doing Saturday nite. I would imagine all the RC parishes are doing the vigil Saturday night.
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Does anyone have a Good Friday evening devotional service as a quiet service - such as Maria Desolata or a Pieta service?
We're trying a "service of light and darkness" (the Methodist Worship Book's distant relative of tenebrae) on Good Friday evening. I'm not sure how many will come but I hope we'll have a few.
I'll be involved in two lots of the Good Friday liturgy during the day (in different churches, pace leo) and stations of the cross.
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We used to have Stations of the Cross, and also the Easter Vigil on the Saturday. But that was the old vicar.
Now, we still have Compline and address by a visiting speaker on the Mon, Tue, Wed; Maundy Thursday Eucharist with foot-washing; three hours at the cross (address and meditation, followed by the Last Hour choral Eucharist) and Easter Day services, so not a huge amount of change. The main addition is a donkey leading the Palm Sunday procession.
Chorister have I read this correctly? You're not having a choral Eucharist on Good Friday,surely?
On another note, will you be getting the Vicar of Bray to help out on the Palm Sunday procession???? ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Oh dear, lots of Anglicans on this thread but not one mention of Litany & Ante-Communion. Is it extinct, even in Evo circles?
Nope, we are still doing it at St Hardup in the Backstreets. 11am Good Friday, and possibly 11am Easter Even too.
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Originally posted by Perkin:
Does anyone have a Good Friday evening devotional service as a quiet service - such as Maria Desolata or a Pieta service?
As I've said on the thread on after Good Friday liturgy thread I think this quiet gathering at the sepulchre is appropriate. Sometimes in the rush of things we forget to reflect on the death of Our Lord.
St. Silas Kentish Town usually has Maria Desolata at 5pm on Good Friday. I don't know anywhere else that does it.
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This is what we're doing for Triduum at placement parish:
(Palm Sunday:
6:15pm Taize)
Holy Thursday:
8am Morning Prayer
7pm Mass of the Lord's Supper
Good Friday:
8am Morning Prayer
2pm Stations
3pm The Lord's Passion
7pm Reconciliation
8:30pm Tenebrae
Holy Saturday:
8am Morning Prayer
8:30pm Easter Vigil
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Originally posted by Fuzzipeg:
Oh dear, lots of Anglicans on this thread but not one mention of Litany & Ante-Communion. Is it extinct, even in Evo circles?
I would have though, especially in Evo circles.
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It's a simple thing, but I'm sure it makes a big difference that in the UK Good Friday is a public holiday.
Err..., not in Scotland it isn't. However, at least this year Holy Week happens to coincide with the university's "April Break".
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Our Holy Week services are traditional, so I shan't repeat the list. The only distinctive feature is
Holy Saturday
11:30pm
Ceremony of the new fire, Easter Vigil, and
first mass of Easter.
Not that there's anything unusual about the ceremonies themselves, but an Easter "Midnight Mass" seems relatively rare these days.
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