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Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :

Really?

Words fail me.

He says:
“The Bible is against it". No it isn't. Not as much as it is against hatred, hurt, and fuckwits claiming the power of God to promote their own agenda.

"God is against it". Maybe your God. Not mine. But then, I don't worship a fucking bastard like you clearly do.

"I’m against it". Then I'm almost certainly for it. Turdblanket.

"and if you’ve got any sense you’re against it” If you've got any sense, you will ignore this fascist bitch and anything else he has to say.

Posted by Niteowl2 (# 15841) on :

My God is against death camps and pastors who spew hatred from the pulpit and pass it off as Him speaking.

The pastor who encouraged members to "beat the gay out of your kids" is also from North Carolina. Must be something in the water there. I don't think I'd want to live there.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Pastor Fuckwit:
Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can’t get out, feed em, and you know what, in a few years, they’ll die out. You know why? They can’t reproduce!”

Earth to fuckwit: if you're right that they can't reproduce then they're going to die out anyway. Shit, even on his own terms his plan is completely and totally pointless and unnecessarily cruel and hate-filled [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Matt Black (# 2210) on :

"Homosexuals and queers"? Are they different then?

Twisted fucker can't even get his 'facts' right.

Another git who is really don't want to be on 'my side'.

Bastard.

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

He is not alone. The congregation did not seem to be booing, or marching out in protest.

I think it is important to understand how these otherwise normal, church going, people came to this point. If we can understand their thought process, maybe someone can help them understand where they have gone with their hatred and how much God would not approve.

Are they convinced the LGBT community is out to get them? Who might be telling them that?

The ability of humans to hate and despise anyone who is different truly makes me despair.

Posted by Michael Astley (# 5638) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

quote:
Pastor Fuckwit:
Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can’t get out, feed em, and you know what, in a few years, they’ll die out. You know why? They can’t reproduce!”
Earth to fuckwit: if you're right that they can't reproduce then they're going to die out anyway. Shit, even on his own terms his plan is completely and totally pointless and unnecessarily cruel and hate-filled

Well, exactly. And surely any group of men or women placed in isolation would eventually die out due to the inability to reproduce, whether they're rounded up because they're gay, fat, architects, left-handed, or whatever. His point makes no sense.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

Surprise, asshats! Sure, the genetic line of people who don't (or aren't allowed to) reproduce will die out, but I bet you your cold and shrunken little hearts that you, yourselves, are breeding more fags, queers, dikes, lezzes, and various other perverts as we post and will do forever unless you commit to celibacy. The kidlings just won't tell you about it. Or they will and then they will leave you forever to either hate or mourn, whatever your pleasure.

Eat nails, bastards.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Astley:

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

quote:
Pastor Fuckwit:
Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can’t get out, feed em, and you know what, in a few years, they’ll die out. You know why? They can’t reproduce!”
Earth to fuckwit: if you're right that they can't reproduce then they're going to die out anyway. Shit, even on his own terms his plan is completely and totally pointless and unnecessarily cruel and hate-filled
Well, exactly. And surely any group of men or women placed in isolation would eventually die out due to the inability to reproduce, whether they're rounded up because they're gay, fat, architects, left-handed, or whatever. His point makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense to bigoted fucktards. He's preaching to his audience (see Tortuf post upthread). Of course none of the umpteen hundred present can possibly be LGBT.

Posted by Mad Cat (# 9104) on :

I love that he's tried to imagine kissing another man........ [Snigger]

Like, did someone put a gun to your head and make you think about it? I'm not gay, and I'm pretty much turned off by the thought of kissing another woman, so I don't think about it much. How you get from there to God getting the boak.....??

Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mad Cat:
I love that he's tried to imagine kissing another man........

Like, did someone put a gun to your head and make you think about it? I'm not gay, and I'm pretty much turned off by the thought of kissing another woman, so I don't think about it much. How you get from there to God getting the boak.....??

Maybe he imagines all the 'disgusting' things homosexuals do - often and in detail - just to make sure it really is wrong!

I can only imagine what makes God boak - but this guy definitely makes me want to [Projectile]

Posted by Crœsos (# 238) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Earth to fuckwit: if you're right that they can't reproduce then they're going to die out anyway. Shit, even on his own terms his plan is completely and totally pointless and unnecessarily cruel and hate-filled

Not at all! The cruelty and hatred are the point. That's why they're necessary.

Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :

Tortuf - I know perfectly well that in some strands of evangelical churches ( probably others, but that is all that I know ) that the pastor/minister/vicar is always right. The purpose of the congregation is to boost the pastors ego.

It makes me puking sick. Like there is any other way of being sick.

Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :

Maybe if we rounded up all the bigotted pastors and put them in isolation they would not only be unable to reproduce but unable to preach hatred...wait, no, that would be wrong. The truth is, I just want him dead because something he said made me think about kissing him.

Posted by Mockingale (# 16599) on :

A 150 mile fence? Why, there's no way that one of them homosexuals, queers or gays could drive or hike around it!

Not to mention:

If the defining characteristic of openly gay people (i.e. the ones that we'd be able to detect and put behind the kinda long fence of doom) is that they do not willingly engage in sexual activity which can lead to reproduction, what does it matter whether they're in a camp or in their natural habitat?

If your goal is to stop gay people from having gay sex, locking them all up together with other gay people of their own sex isn't exactly the best plan to stop that.

Posted by Wilfried (# 12277) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Anselmina:

Maybe he imagines all the 'disgusting' things homosexuals do - often and in detail - just to make sure it really is wrong!

I can only imagine what makes God boak - but this guy definitely makes me want to .

Now taking bets on how long before we get news that he's been arrested for tapping his toes under the divider in a public bathroom stall.

Posted by Jonathan Strange (# 11001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mockingale:
If your goal is to stop gay people from having gay sex, locking them all up together with other gay people of their own sex isn't exactly the best plan to stop that.

He probably believes homosexuality is hereditary.

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mockingale:
A 150 mile fence? Why, there's no way that one of them homosexuals, queers or gays could drive or hike around it!

I think he meant a circular fence, 150 miles in circumference.
He's obviously despicable, but I sometimes doubt if these far-right preachers and shock-jocks really believe all they say, or whether there's a sort of cynical contest on between them to see who can be the most outrageous while keeping the support of the morons who pay any attention to them.

Posted by no_prophet (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wilfried:
Now taking bets on how long before we get news that he's been arrested for tapping his toes under the divider in a public bathroom stall.

I thought of that when I first read this thread. I accused myself of schadenfreude and couldn't think of a witty way of posting about it. You did that!

There is something curiously 'protest too much' with such people, and in his case, protest way far too much.

I noticed the church's website is down which encourages the schadenfreude.

Posted by Mockingale (# 16599) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan Strange:

quote:
Originally posted by Mockingale:
If your goal is to stop gay people from having gay sex, locking them all up together with other gay people of their own sex isn't exactly the best plan to stop that.
He probably believes homosexuality is hereditary.

Unless he can discern all of the closeted homosexuals, gays in denial, and heterosexuals with the potential to pass on "gay genes" to their kids, I don't see how that makes a difference. After all, because homosexuality is hereditary, gays got here because someone with those genes had heterosexual sex.

Homosexuality being hereditary, the best hope for those who wish for gay genes to be bred out is to encourage homosexuals to acknowledge their sexuality without condemnation and couple with members of the same sex.

However, I doubt Pastor Jimbo even knows what 'hereditary' means.

Posted by The Rogue (# 2275) on :

So how many people will already be inside the 150 mile fence when he builds it and will they be allowed out if they can prove they are not gay?

Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan Strange:

quote:
Originally posted by Mockingale:
If your goal is to stop gay people from having gay sex, locking them all up together with other gay people of their own sex isn't exactly the best plan to stop that.
He probably believes homosexuality is hereditary.

He believes enough other crap.

Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :

quote:
Pastor Fuckwit:
Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the lesbians in there.

That'll never hold the lesbians. They've got screwdrivers and stuff.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:

quote:
Pastor Fuckwit:
Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the lesbians in there.
That'll never hold the lesbians. They've got screwdrivers and stuff.

Posted by Crœsos (# 238) on :

The Concentration Camp Pastor got some attention from CNN, and a blogger noticed he also used the same sermon for electioneering, which is an IRS no-no if you want to retain your tax-exempt status. She started a letter writing campaign to bring this to the attention of Vincent Fusco, the IRS' Tax Exempt Organization Manager for the Mid-Atlantic Region.

On a possibly related note, the church's website now appears to have been completely taken down.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

I've already commented on Dead Horses about how incredibly dumb this is. I haven't yet met a gay man who has homosexual parents. I'm sure they EXIST - and in fact I have met a gay parent who was in the closet years and didn't come out until after one of his sons had come out - but all the gay men I know had straight parents.

You dumb fuckwit.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mockingale:

quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan Strange:

quote:
Originally posted by Mockingale:
If your goal is to stop gay people from having gay sex, locking them all up together with other gay people of their own sex isn't exactly the best plan to stop that.
He probably believes homosexuality is hereditary.
Unless he can discern all of the closeted homosexuals, gays in denial, and heterosexuals with the potential to pass on "gay genes" to their kids, I don't see how that makes a difference. After all, because homosexuality is hereditary, gays got here because someone with those genes had heterosexual sex.

Homosexuality being hereditary, the best hope for those who wish for gay genes to be bred out is to encourage homosexuals to acknowledge their sexuality without condemnation and couple with members of the same sex.

However, I doubt Pastor Jimbo even knows what 'hereditary' means.

Indeed, that delicious irony has struck me before as well. If there are indeed straightforward, simple gay genes, people like this guy do a superb job of helping them to propagate.

Posted by Cryptic (# 16917) on :

Can't really add to the comments above, except [Projectile]

Posted by PaulBC (# 13712) on :

This "person" is a disgrace to the ministry. Yea even to Pastor Fred . This individual looks old enough to recall the Holocaust when another ranter tried to eliminate an race and a lot of others .
The God I know, love & serve does not go off hating anyone . Believers who fixate on hating this, that or the other are wrong.
Just seeing the clip on CNN the congregation seems to laugh , clap yell "Amen" . He seems a bit off his nutter. [Votive]

Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :

I suggest that he build it, then go inside by himself and test drive it for a couple of years. Gotta make sure that They can't get out, you know.

Posted by Spiffy (# 5267) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Matt Black:
"Homosexuals and queers"? Are they different then?

Point of order: Yes, they can be different.

Of course, the difference is fluid and mostly (but not always) one of self-applied labels relating to gender as opposed to sexual orientation, but I'm sure the gentleman* from North Carolina wouldn't know a queer if I walked up into his face and said, "Boo."

*term used extremely loosely, as he sure as shootin' don't sound gentle nor like much of a man.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mockingale:
However, I doubt Pastor Jimbo even knows what 'hereditary' means.

Doesn't matter, everyone* knows homosexuality is a choice. God would not make fags, seeing as he hates them.
Lock up existing homosexuals, punch your children so they do not become homosexual. Then, perhaps, all these wars will end.

*"Everyone" being fundamentalist nutters.

Posted by Erroneous Monk (# 10858) on :

I think I've got homophobic southern pastor fatigue. It just doesn't seem shocking anymore when one of these pastors lets loose a stream of hatred. I'm more shocked - and frightened - when an apparently *ordinary* person does it. Like the friend's boyfriend who sincerely said that, were he to have a son, he'd rather that son grew up to be a murderer than a homosexual. [Eek!]

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

Back in the 80s, at my old happy-clappy church, one woman, who had a son who was 2 or 3 at the time, said that he would definitely not grow up to be a homosexual, because she'd prayed that he wouldn't. He must be in his 20s now. It'd be interesting to know if he did end up batting for the other side, and how she explains her unanswered prayer if that's the case.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
I think I've got homophobic southern pastor fatigue. It just doesn't seem shocking anymore when one of these pastors lets loose a stream of hatred. I'm more shocked - and frightened - when an apparently *ordinary* person does it. Like the friend's boyfriend who sincerely said that, were he to have a son, he'd rather that son grew up to be a murderer than a homosexual.

That's not a sensible thing to wish for. I've read that 16% of victims are related to the murderer in the US and I think it's an even higher proportion in the UK.

Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :

Is there a caveat to Godwins law that might apply? Maybe that when someone deliberately and clearly spouts the same sort of stuff that Hitler did, they automatically lose the argument? I'd like to name it the "Southern Pastor Clause".

Posted by Crœsos (# 238) on :

Apparently the concentration camp thing is actually an improvement. Forty years ago this Man of God was advocating lynching gays.

Posted by Cryptic (# 16917) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
Like the friend's boyfriend who sincerely said that, were he to have a son, he'd rather that son grew up to be a murderer than a homosexual.

What it he had a daughter?

What a turd.

Posted by Crœsos (# 238) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
Like the friend's boyfriend who sincerely said that, were he to have a son, he'd rather that son grew up to be a murderer than a homosexual.

And when you think you've reached the bottom of the hate barrel, it turns out there's a whole 'nother compartment you didn't even know was there.

quote:
On March 12, 2012, the hashtag #ToMyUnbornChild became a trending topic. People used this hashtag to "tweet to" their future child. Here are 100 real tweets from real people — all within 24 hours — saying they would murder their child if he or she was gay.

So not only are there parents who would prefer their kids be a murderer than a homosexual, there are parents who would rather murder their kids themselves than let them live as gay. And they're willing to admit this publicly, to strangers on the internet.

[ 23. May 2012, 23:04: Message edited by: Crœsos ]

Posted by OliviaG (# 9881) on :

Would aborting a gay fetus be ok, then? OliviaG

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
So not only are there parents who would prefer their kids be a murderer than a homosexual, there are parents who would rather murder their kids themselves than let them live as gay. And they're willing to admit this publicly, to strangers on the internet.

Okay, now I want to set up a bloody concentration camp. With a castration service at the front entrance.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Cryptic:

quote:
Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
Like the friend's boyfriend who sincerely said that, were he to have a son, he'd rather that son grew up to be a murderer than a homosexual.
What it he had a daughter?

Oh, there's an answer to that on Twitter, too:

quote:
#ToMyUnbornChild if your a girl i will drown you in the bathtub, and if your a guy and your turn into a faggot ill kill you

See, if she's a girl, this guy doesn't even have to wait until the kid "comes out" to adopt the extreme option.

I'm sorta sick that I'm breathing the same air as these scum. [Projectile]

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

And here was silly old me thinking that the depths of Human Stupidity™ had already reached its nadir.

[Disappointed]

Posted by irish_lord99 (# 16250) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
Apparently the concentration camp thing is actually an improvement. Forty years ago this Man of God was advocating lynching gays.

Yes, and Benny Hinn once 'prophesied' that God would destroy all homosexuals with fire. I think it was supposed to happen by the end of the nineties though. Opps. [Disappointed]

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
I'm sorta sick that I'm breathing the same air as these scum.

Thank you for articulating this for me.

Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :

quote:
Originally posted by OliviaG:
Would aborting a gay fetus be ok, then?

When, years ago, a (gay?) scientist said he'd found something like the genetic marker for being gay, I figured that some day he'd regret that...

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:

quote:
Originally posted by OliviaG:
Would aborting a gay fetus be ok, then?
When, years ago, a (gay?) scientist said he'd found something like the genetic marker for being gay, I figured that some day he'd regret that...

But then the bias against gays runs into all sorts of logical problems, as much of the bias is based on the notion of choosing to be gay, rather than being born that way.

Not that I think a little bit of difficulty in logic would stop the kind of people who threaten to kill their own children... *goes to throw up again*

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
So not only are there parents who would prefer their kids be a murderer than a homosexual, there are parents who would rather murder their kids themselves than let them live as gay. And they're willing to admit this publicly, to strangers on the internet.

Yeah, because nobody ever says crazy shit for comic effect on the internet. Looking at some of the avatars of the people posting those tweets, half of them are schoolkids.

You might as well trawl through the Hell archives for 100 flames and use it in a blog post demonstrating how evil and violent Christians are. Because apparently every time someone says "die in a fire" here it means they're stocking up matches and petrol just in case they find out where the target of their post lives...

Posted by Crœsos (# 238) on :

Apparently the "Beat Your Gay Sons" Pastor is appalled by the "Concentration Camp" Pastor. Maybe it's just too hard to crack those wrists through the electric fence?

Posted by Drifting Star (# 12799) on :

I was slightly relieved to see that one of those tweets had the hashtag #fuckwitme. Then I realised he probably meant 'don't fuck with me' rather than 'I'm a fuckwit'.

Oh well.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
Apparently the "Beat Your Gay Sons" Pastor is appalled by the "Concentration Camp" Pastor. Maybe it's just too hard to crack those wrists through the electric fence?

Hopefully BYGS's apprehension is the first pebble in the "Holy Cow, this is some bigoted shit" avalanche of self-realization.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:

quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
Apparently the "Beat Your Gay Sons" Pastor is appalled by the "Concentration Camp" Pastor. Maybe it's just too hard to crack those wrists through the electric fence?
Hopefully BYGS's apprehension is the first pebble in the "Holy Cow, this is some bigoted shit" avalanche of self-realization.

I doubt it. Dr. Ian Paisley once described Pastor Jack Glass, a Glaswegian preacher of the Orange persuasion as 'A bit of an extremist'. It didn't stop them sharing platforms or alter Paisley's views.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

I can dream, can't I? [Roll Eyes]

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

I'm just loving the options here: freedom of movement while being beaten up, or restricted movement with the hope of being left alone in there.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Thrid option: "How about the people who just can't tolerate our existance form their own little interment camp, and leave everybody else alone?"

Posted by Crœsos (# 238) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
I'm just loving the options here: freedom of movement while being beaten up, or restricted movement with the hope of being left alone in there.

And from the vast fields of Kansas comes another option:

quote:
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. They should be put to death. 'Oh, so you’re saying we should go out and start killing them.' No. I’m saying the government should. They won’t, but they should. You say, ‘Oh, I can’t believe you, you’re horrible. You’re a backwards neanderthal of a person.’ Is that what you’re calling scripture? Is God a neanderthal, backwards in his morality? Is it His word or not? If it’s His word, he commanded it. It’s His idea, not mine. And I’m not ashamed of it. He said put them to death. Shall the church drag them in? No, I’m not saying that. The church has not been given the power of the sword; the government has. But the government ought to [kill them]. You got a better idea? A better idea than God?

So it would be ludicrous to suggest Christians want to kill gays. They just want government death squads to do it for them! [Roll Eyes]

Keeps their own hands clean that way, I guess.

And let's not forget the contributions of the junior division. The church in question has been identified as the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle in Greensburg, IN. I'm sure this incident is just a pure coincidence.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

I like his rhetorical questions. When he got to the bit that said "Is it God's Word, or not?" I would have shouted out "It's not."

He of course expects everyone to just sit there and think "Amen! That's what the Bible says!"

Any fucker who opens their mouth and asserts in this way that the Bible says something in English is ALREADY playing loose with the truth. I'm occasionally tempted to go learn Greek and/or Hebrew just so that I can respond by telling them what the Bible REALLY says.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Is God a neanderthal, backwards in his morality?

If He genuinely agrees with you, then yes. Yes He is. And I'll tell Him so to His face when I die.

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