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Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

Mark Betts asked ....

quote:
It would be helpful, of course, if you could define precisely who the "fundies" are...

go look in a mirror.

AtB Pyx_e

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

Sits back and waits

My bets are on Pyx_e.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

Wow! Ended here a bit sooner than I expected. Yelling at them is no more effective than tying to debate them. The thickness of their skulls, erm, strength of their resolve, is proof against reason, er, debate.

ETA: I agree, Pete, but think it will be a Monty Python Black Knight sort of ending.

[ 02. June 2012, 13:37: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

Why are my ears burning?

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
Mark Betts asked ....
quote:
It would be helpful, of course, if you could define precisely who the "fundies" are...
go look in a mirror.

AtB Pyx_e

An intelligent answer would have been much better...

Posted by Silver Faux (# 8783) on :

Those who live in the Bay of Fundy region of New Brunswick, Canada are known as fundies.
Particularly those clergy and elders from the Presbytery of Miramichi.

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

Well, this was inevitable.

I thought it might be me making the call, but I was distracted by work.

I find it hard to believe that Mark is so stupid that he doesn't have an inkling as to how his behaviour is coming over: however, my credulity is strained when with each post he opens his mouth only long enough to change feet.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

I don't really see Mark Betts as a fundie......?

Except as the reformed smoker self righteous type against Anglicanism (his former church).

Tho if he continues on this track, no doubt some other One True Church with All The True Authority in the World will come along.....and *poof*, there will go his orthodox faith in a cloud of dust.

Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
Mark Betts asked ....
quote:
It would be helpful, of course, if you could define precisely who the "fundies" are...
go look in a mirror.

AtB Pyx_e
An intelligent answer would have been much better...

I was aiming for funny, sigh.

quote:
a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds

Emerson

A fundie loves foolish consistency. I was very clear in my Purg post that either end of any spectrum was too rigid. It was not about you, it was about the danger of closed, extreme positions, full stop.

You took it and twisted it (again as you do on pretty much evey post, on every thread), twisted it to your hurt, one track, driven agenda.

As for all your wittering about charity, mere doing good without doing God. Feed as many as you like but your petty clinging to your trammeled understanding causes hurt.

I noticed your first post, and by your third knew this thread was coming. You are a small minded man.

All the Best, Pyx_e

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
I was aiming for funny, sigh.

Let me give you a piece of advice - don't give up your day-job to become a comedian!

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

My mistake. It's looking increasingly likely that his head is too far up his arse for him to fit his feet in his mouth.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I don't really see Mark Betts as a fundie......?

Except as the reformed smoker self righteous type against Anglicanism (his former church).

Tho if he continues on this track, no doubt some other One True Church with All The True Authority in the World will come along.....and *poof*, there will go his orthodox faith in a cloud of dust.

Oh, of course, yes that is definitely what will happen. And then I will at last see the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which just happens to be the Anglican Church, and we shall dance and sing (and clap!) and all will be well!

Oh dear, I'll have to stop, because I'm falling off my chair laughing!..

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
My mistake. It's looking increasingly likely that his head is too far up his arse for him to fit his feet in his mouth.

The words "pot" and "kettle" spring to mind...

Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I don't really see Mark Betts as a fundie......?

Except as the reformed smoker self righteous type against Anglicanism (his former church).

Tho if he continues on this track, no doubt some other One True Church with All The True Authority in the World will come along.....and *poof*, there will go his orthodox faith in a cloud of dust.
Oh, of course, yes that is definitely what will happen. And then I will at last see the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which just happens to be the Anglican Church, and we shall dance and sing (and clap!) and all will be well!

Oh dear, I'll have to stop, because I'm falling off my chair laughing!..

Actually, the last orthodox 'fundie' we had became an atheist one weekend. He became so convinced that one could only be a Proper Christian by understanding Holy Tradition that, when he discovered his grasp of seventh Century Greek wasn't up to the task that he had to stop being Christian. Or something.

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
My mistake. It's looking increasingly likely that his head is too far up his arse for him to fit his feet in his mouth.
The words "pot" and "kettle" spring to mind...

Only to your mind, because it's the only defence against rational thought that you have.

You are not engaging. You are not debating. You are not listening. You are doing nothing, either on this thread or any of the others you are involved in, to make Orthodoxy seem anything but a haven for self-righteous antiintellectual sociopaths. Well done.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
...Only to your mind, because it's the only defence against rational thought that you have.

You are not engaging. You are not debating. You are not listening. You are doing nothing, either on this thread or any of the others you are involved in, to make Orthodoxy seem anything but a haven for self-righteous antiintellectual sociopaths. Well done.

Ah, maybe I should learn from your exemplary example of "rational thought" then...

Erm.... I don't think so!

Posted by ken (# 2460) on :

quote:
Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
[Actually, the last orthodox 'fundie' we had became an atheist one weekend. He became so convinced that one could only be a Proper Christian by understanding Holy Tradition that, when he discovered his grasp of seventh Century Greek wasn't up to the task that he had to stop being Christian.

IIRC he also believed that only Greeks could be Orthodoc, that it was impossible to convert to Orthodoxy, that Orthodox teaching on the Trinity was that there were three Gods, and that Orthodox teaching on salvation was that it was achieved by ascetic self-denial and separation from the world and in practice only a tiny minority of Christians ever got there, mostly (maybe entirely, I can't remember) Greek Orthodox priests. The priests and monks were the real members of church and lay people merely some sort of friendly support organisation. Sometimes his take on Orthodoxy seemed closer to Catharism than to anything in the New Testament or the Creeds.

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
Ah, maybe I should learn from your exemplary example of "rational thought" then...

Erm.... I don't think so!

No, certainly no need for you to consider the cause of your postings and the effect it has on other posters.

If you genuinely can't see the pattern here - you post about how only the Orthodox have the right answers to everything, and the rest of us are at best misguided fools and at worst apostates and hardly Christian at all - then you need to read very carefully what Josephine said to you in Purg.

If you can see and you don't care? Great witness, Mark. Great witness. [Disappointed]

Posted by Josephine (# 3899) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
...Only to your mind, because it's the only defence against rational thought that you have.

You are not engaging. You are not debating. You are not listening. You are doing nothing, either on this thread or any of the others you are involved in, to make Orthodoxy seem anything but a haven for self-righteous antiintellectual sociopaths. Well done.
Ah, maybe I should learn from your exemplary example of "rational thought" then...

Erm.... I don't think so!

Mark, my dear child, I have attained the right to sit on the Babushka Bench at church, which means that, by customary tradition (if not Holy Tradition), I have the right and the responsibility to tell young men to get their hands out of their pockets, to tell the young women to wipe their lipstick off before they kiss the icons, and to tell the insufferable and arrogant to go home and pray for their own salvation before they embarrass themselves and the Holy Church any further.

When someone tells you that you are making your holy mother, the Church, look bad, you need to take that to heart.

When someone says, "pot, meet kettle," you need to remember what our Lord said about splinters and logs, and spend some time preparing for your next confession.

When you feel like you're right and everyone else is wrong, watch where you step. Having all knowledge is not worth much without love. And love is desperately hard work.

Now get your hands out of your pockets, and go say your prayers.

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

That's him told then.

Score so far: Everybody: 3 Betts 0

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

Sometimes it is hard to get through the hurt of being attacked in Hell and rationally analyze why the attacks might be occurring.

Deeply held beliefs are important. If you do not hold your beliefs to be important, they are not terribly meaningful.

On the other hand, many people deeply believed that East and West Germany would never reunite. Things happened, people started listening to each other instead of talking at each other, and Germany is one again.

There is an analogy in there somewhere.

Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :

Please, now can we have a "like" button? Josephine, I'd listen to you any day.

Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

quote:
There is an analogy in there somewhere.

We should build a wall round Betty?

Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :

Dang, I thought this thread was about the other Betty. Now there's a fundy for you.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
That's him told then.

Score so far: Everybody: 3 Betts 0

The problem is that I DO listen to Josephine!

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
That's him told then.

Score so far: Everybody: 3 Betts 0
The problem is that I DO listen to Josephine!

I DO wish Mark Betts would use fewer exclamation marks. Unless he is trying to present himself as a callow youth it does not help him to further his case.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
That's him told then.

Score so far: Everybody: 3 Betts 0
The problem is that I DO listen to Josephine!
I DO wish Mark Betts would use fewer exclamation marks. Unless he is trying to present himself as a callow youth it does not help him to further his case.

I've said thanks to any that have guided me, sorry to those I've offended, now what do you want - penance?

Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :

You obviously don't listen to Josephine enough, Mark.

Listen, I irritate some people on this Ship at times by being highly Orthophil, yet without crossing the Bosphorus.

You're embarrassing me and I'm not even Orthodox ...

In fact, if you were the only example of an Orthodox Christian I'd ever come across I would go straight down to my nearest synagogue or mosque and ask them to snip some skin off the end of my willy so that I convert to their religion and get as far away as I could from yours ...

Heck, I'd go further. I'd become Buddhist.

Better still, I'd join the National Secular Society so I didn't have to read your painful posts nor listen to your lack of self-awareness rants ever again.

You really don't realise how much of a prat you sound.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
You obviously don't listen to Josephine enough, Mark.

Listen, I irritate some people on this Ship at times by being highly Orthophil, yet without crossing the Bosphorus.

You're embarrassing me and I'm not even Orthodox ...

In fact, if you were the only example of an Orthodox Christian I'd ever come across I would go straight down to my nearest synagogue or mosque and ask them to snip some skin off the end of my willy so that I convert to their religion and get as far away as I could from yours ...

Heck, I'd go further. I'd become Buddhist.

Better still, I'd join the National Secular Society so I didn't have to read your painful posts nor listen to your lack of self-awareness rants ever again.

You really don't realise how much of a prat you sound.

Thanks mate!

Now come on, this is "hell", so a bit of messing is almost compulsory. However, I was serious about listening to Josephine and Michael and my regrets over some of the things I said to people.

Anyhow, as this is "hell" I hope you won't mind me calling you a prat as well ...and you can do whatever you want with your willy, it's not my problem.

[ 02. June 2012, 20:31: Message edited by: Mark Betts ]

Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :

Josephine and Triple Tiara are the sane, compassionate and wise voices of Orthodoxy and the RCC respectively. Most of the rest of us just muddle along and get a bit knee-jerky sometimes [Frown]

Mark, as a convert myself, the best advice is to shut up for at least 5 years about it - read, learn, inwardly digest. I can understand overwhelming enthusiasm (and that's expected, indeed, desirable!) but you really are teaching your babushka to suck eggs and pissing everyone else off in the process.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

I'm not teaching my babushka (Josephine) anything - she is teaching me!

Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I DO wish Mark Betts would use fewer exclamation marks. Unless he is trying to present himself as a callow youth it does not help him to further his case.

Seconded.

I came in here to post exactly that. I had even considered calling him to Hell merely for the exclamation marks.

Posted by Spike (# 36) on :

quote:
Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I don't really see Mark Betts as a fundie......?

Except as the reformed smoker self righteous type against Anglicanism (his former church).

Tho if he continues on this track, no doubt some other One True Church with All The True Authority in the World will come along.....and *poof*, there will go his orthodox faith in a cloud of dust.
Oh, of course, yes that is definitely what will happen. And then I will at last see the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which just happens to be the Anglican Church, and we shall dance and sing (and clap!) and all will be well!

Oh dear, I'll have to stop, because I'm falling off my chair laughing!..
Actually, the last orthodox 'fundie' we had became an atheist one weekend. He became so convinced that one could only be a Proper Christian by understanding Holy Tradition that, when he discovered his grasp of seventh Century Greek wasn't up to the task that he had to stop being Christian. Or something.

I remember that. He became our first Born-Again Fundie Atheist!

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

!!!!!!!!

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
I remember that. He became our first Born-Again Fundie Atheist!

Oh, isn't it just wonderful to hear (so-called) christians gloating over a brother's loss of faith? Why aren't you praying for him?

Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
I'm not teaching my babushka (Josephine) anything - she is teaching me!

Then, given that Josephine is an excellent teacher, it must follow that you are a poor student. Or a troll. Or something.

Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
I remember that. He became our first Born-Again Fundie Atheist!
Oh, isn't it just wonderful to hear (so-called) christians gloating over a brother's loss of faith? Why aren't you praying for him?

How TF do you know that people aren't? Tho', as he does not feel in any need of that atm, those who are his friends just keep up normal, everyday contact which, istm, amounts to about the same thing as far as loving your (possibly atheist) neighbour goes.

Posted by Josephine (# 3899) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
I remember that. He became our first Born-Again Fundie Atheist!
Oh, isn't it just wonderful to hear (so-called) christians gloating over a brother's loss of faith? Why aren't you praying for him?

Mark, leave off the so-called, okay? If they say they're a Christian, there's only one Person who gets to tell them they're wrong, and it's not you.

I suspect there are people here praying for Andrew. But it's hard for people to bless those who curse them, and love those who mistreat them. We're called to do that, of course. But most of us don't manage most of the time.

You weren't here to see how Andrew treated everyone else. If you had been, you might understand the reactions to him a little better.

Posted by Spike (# 36) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
I remember that. He became our first Born-Again Fundie Atheist!
Oh, isn't it just wonderful to hear (so-called) christians gloating over a brother's loss of faith? Why aren't you praying for him?

Who's gloating? And how do you know who is or isn't praying for him? And who the fuck are you to call me, or anyone else, a "so called" Christian?

Posted by Robert Armin (# 182) on :

Just in case you're worried Josephine, I'm sure I speak for many Shipmates when I say I form my picture of Orthodoxy from you and Mousethief, rather than Marky.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
Who's gloating? And how do you know who is or isn't praying for him? And who the fuck are you to call me, or anyone else, a "so called" Christian?

What can't speak can't lie my friend, you've already posted all the evidence I need - pal!

Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :

I wasn't gloating actually - more pointing out the perils of over-confidence in one's faith. Convincing oneself that one's tradition, or Tradition, is flawless, and everyone else is simply Wrong can lead to a jarring experience when one discovers that life isn't quite so black and white.

Even if you think we are wrong, being as openly dismissive of everyone who disagrees with you doesn't seem spiritually healthy. Not that it's any of my business, obviously - but for what it's worth I'd rather you didn't go the same way.

Posted by Josephine (# 3899) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
Who's gloating? And how do you know who is or isn't praying for him? And who the fuck are you to call me, or anyone else, a "so called" Christian?
What can't speak can't lie my friend, you've already posted all the evidence I need - pal!

Mark, before you say anything else, say the prayer of St. Ephraim of Syria. After you've done that, go read the life of St. Moses the Black. And when you've done that, find a copy of the homilies of Dorotheos of Gaza, and read his homily on judging others.

And if you still think, after you've done all that, that you've seen all the evidence you need, then go back to your prayer corner and start over.

Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :

Well, lookee there, it's time get the popcorn made!

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Josephine:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
I remember that. He became our first Born-Again Fundie Atheist!
Oh, isn't it just wonderful to hear (so-called) christians gloating over a brother's loss of faith? Why aren't you praying for him?
Mark, leave off the so-called, okay? If they say they're a Christian, there's only one Person who gets to tell them they're wrong, and it's not you.

I suspect there are people here praying for Andrew. But it's hard for people to bless those who curse them, and love those who mistreat them. We're called to do that, of course. But most of us don't manage most of the time.

You weren't here to see how Andrew treated everyone else. If you had been, you might understand the reactions to him a little better.

Thanks Josephine, and I respect your advice. But it did seem a bit odd, and it makes me wonder if they would gloat if they were to find out that I had lost my faith - which gives me all the more reason to hang on to it!

As for the "so-called", as you say only God knows, but their words did seem somewhat unbecoming.

I know plenty of christians (not necessarily orthodox) who are, lets say, even worse than me... but that doesn't mean they are not loved by God, nor that they don't love God.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Josephine:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
Who's gloating? And how do you know who is or isn't praying for him? And who the fuck are you to call me, or anyone else, a "so called" Christian?
What can't speak can't lie my friend, you've already posted all the evidence I need - pal!
Mark, before you say anything else, say the prayer of St. Ephraim of Syria. After you've done that, go read the life of St. Moses the Black. And when you've done that, find a copy of the homilies of Dorotheos of Gaza, and read his homily on judging others.

And if you still think, after you've done all that, that you've seen all the evidence you need, then go back to your prayer corner and start over.

Wise Josephine delivers another lesson to all of us.

Thanks.

Posted by Josephine (# 3899) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
As for the "so-called", as you say only God knows, but their words did seem somewhat unbecoming.

They may well have been. I hope nobody will say that I'm a so-called Christian the first time they hear me say something unbecoming.

quote:
I know plenty of christians (not necessarily orthodox) who are, lets say, even worse than me... but that doesn't mean they are not loved by God, nor that they don't love God.

A reminder from the Resident Babushka. If you plan to receive the Eucharist tomorrow, you need to say the prayer before Communion. And in that prayer, you identify yourself as the chief of sinners. You need to understand what that means, so that you can believe that it's true. Because right now, it doesn't sound like you believe it.

You do need to get the sayings of Dorotheos of Gaza. He tells a story of twin girls who are sold as slaves when they were infants. One of the girls was bought by a pious virgin, and raised with kindness, taught to read, taken to all the divine services. The other was bought by a circus, treated harshly, taught to entertain and service men. Now, Dorotheos asked, if it were to happen that both young women fell into some grievous sin, perhaps fornication, would God judge them the same way? No. Absolutely not. Is outrage even to think that he might.

So how do you know that you're the chief of sinners, when you know other people that do worse than you do? Well, you have to imagine they're like the girl bought by the circus. There's stuff you don't know, that has made them vulnerable to this particular sin. So instead of judging them, you need to have compassion on them, and know that God, who knows exactly what they've been through, will have mercy on them.

For yourself, you have received baptism and chrismation and the Holy Eucharist, you have the Scriptures and know how to read them, you have access to the lives of the saints, and to the examples they set before you. You have icons. You have confession. You don't have any reason to excuse yourself for your sins.

Judge yourself with strictness, and everyone else with leniency. Trust that the prayer that the Church gives you to pray is true. It will do your heart good.

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
!!!!!!!!

Translation: "I am a tantruming child, with less understanding of any of the lessons central to my so-called religion than a broccoli of sub-standard intelligence."

And, for fuck's sake, stop putting scare quotes around hell when referring to this board. Nobody is going to mistake you for having understanding of any other realm by that name.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

Mark, friend, it appears you have your back up, and are reacting in anger to anything anybody says. A lot of people here, not just the worthy and unredoubtable Josephine* (I live in dread fear of the day she finally gets a cane and becomes an armed babushka) have been trying to help you. Calm down a bit. Go take a walk, have a beer, watch a funny show, or whatever you do to calm down a little. Then come back here and join in the respectful conversation.

There are a lot of good people here who are trying to work out their salvation in fear and trembling, not all of them Orthodox. (And a fistful of respectful agnostics, atheists, and members of other, non-Christian religions who enjoy the conversation. And, of course, RooK.)

Speak the truth in love, as St. Paul or somebody like him (although perhaps with more hair and more patience) says. Sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it.

I, of course, am the absolute last person here who should be giving this kind of advice, as anyone will tell you if you ask. People get my goat and I tell them off with some regularity. That's because I'm a hotheaded, thin-skinned asshole. But not, generally, about my Church.

______________________
*p.b.u.h.

Posted by rugasaw (# 7315) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Robert Armin:
Just in case you're worried Josephine, I'm sure I speak for many Shipmates when I say I form my picture of Orthodoxy from you and Mousethief, rather than Marky.

My first impressions come from the Greek festival held by the Greek Orthodox church. Josephine and Mousethief are second. Yes Gyros, Soulvakia, and Baklava make a very favorable impression.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

I would define a fundamentalist as somebody who is so confident they are right, they cannot learn from others. The downside to this is that neither can they teach- for learning is in the conversation.

For me, the take on the twins in Josephine's story is a little different. My Christ would say; 'You two idiots, neither of you get it, do you. Come here, I have room for you both. And your mates. Let me show you what relationship, what love, is really all about. And when you are ready, and able and confident, you can share some of my love, my relationship, with others as well.' Grace intrinsically linked with judgement for all. My God judges all the same- with Grace.

But then I'm not orthodox.
Hell, I don't know what label, I'd call myself*.

*gun, fish, barrel- use these words in a cogent thought.

[ 03. June 2012, 04:45: Message edited by: Patdys ]

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
...stop putting scare quotes around hell when referring to this board. Nobody is going to mistake you for having understanding of any other realm by that name.

Look (as Tony Blair would say), they are not "scare quotes" - I only use them because the "hell" we use is just a metaphore - not the real place - OK?

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Dude, do what you want, but RooK is trying to help you out, because that really looks stupid. You ever see some guy at a dance club snapping his fingers and playing air guitar? Scare quotes are the textual equivalent of that.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
You ever see some guy at a dance club snapping his fingers and playing air guitar?

See the guy? I WAS the guy! [Killing me]

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Bless your heart.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Josephine:
Mark, my dear child, I have attained the right to sit on the Babushka Bench at church, which means that, by customary tradition (if not Holy Tradition), I have the right and the responsibility to tell young men to get their hands out of their pockets, to tell the young women to wipe their lipstick off before they kiss the icons, and to tell the insufferable and arrogant to go home and pray for their own salvation before they embarrass themselves and the Holy Church any further.

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
Why are my ears burning?

Because your brain's on fire?

Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Steve H:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
Why are my ears burning?
Because your brain's on fire?

If his brain's were burning his socks would be melting not his ears.

Posted by Spike (# 36) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
But it did seem a bit odd, and it makes me wonder if they would gloat if they were to find out that I had lost my faith - which gives me all the more reason to hang on to it!

I certainly wouldn't gloat about it, just as I wasn't gloating in what I said earlier. However, I suspect that if you did lose your faith, you'd be as much as an irritating little shit about it as you are now as an Orthodox, and I'd tell you so.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Josephine:
the Resident Babushka.

New. Title. [Big Grin]

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
I only use them because the "hell" we use is just a metaphore - not the real place

Actually, it is a real (albeit online) place. We're in it now.

It's also a town in Norway, but I don't think anyone was referring to that in their posts.

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
...stop putting scare quotes around hell when referring to this board. Nobody is going to mistake you for having understanding of any other realm by that name.
Look (as Tony Blair would say), they are not "scare quotes" - I only use them because the "hell" we use is just a metaphore - not the real place - OK?

Waste of bandwith. Redundant. That's the quotes taken care of.

Stop being a stupid pedant. Are you 16 years old? You sure behave like a surly teenager.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

quote:
Originally posted by Josephine:
the Resident Babushka.
New. Title.

I reckon. She should change her ship second name thingy whatever that's called.

Cos that's the real problem with the world today you know. No one respects their elders anymore.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

PeteC:

quote:
Are you 16 years old? You sure behave like a surly teenager.

Remember Max. in his glory days as a fresh-faced, teenaged RC? And remember how indulgent we were of his two-year-old moments? It got tired when he reached his twenties.

Never Again. [Disappointed]

(Well, actually, "yes, again". "Cause here we are doing it. That's because we're a Christian Website.)

Posted by Lothiriel (# 15561) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
...stop putting scare quotes around hell when referring to this board. Nobody is going to mistake you for having understanding of any other realm by that name.
Look (as Tony Blair would say), they are not "scare quotes" - I only use them because the "hell" we use is just a metaphore - not the real place - OK?

Thing is, that's exactly what scare quotes are -- denoting metaphorical or other figurative use of a term. Overuse or misuse of scare quotes in writing is only slightly less an egregious affectation than is using air quotes when speaking.

Get over yourself. You're not fooling anyone with your mock humility.

Posted by Janine (# 3337) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
... Mark Betts as a fundie? Except as the reformed smoker self righteous type against... his former church... Tho... no doubt some other One True Church with All The True Authority in the World will come along.....and *poof*, there will go his orthodox faith in a cloud of dust.

quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
I would define a fundamentalist as somebody who is so confident they are right, they cannot learn from others... neither can they teach- for learning is in the conversation...

No reason why a love for and adherence to the basics -- the fundamentals -- and a resultant unwillingness to strap a lot of extras onto people's backs in the name of some kind of "one true faith" -- should make one unteachable or unable to learn.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Janine:

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
... Mark Betts as a fundie? Except as the reformed smoker self righteous type against... his former church... Tho... no doubt some other One True Church with All The True Authority in the World will come along.....and *poof*, there will go his orthodox faith in a cloud of dust.

quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
I would define a fundamentalist as somebody who is so confident they are right, they cannot learn from others... neither can they teach- for learning is in the conversation...
No reason why a love for and adherence to the basics -- the fundamentals -- and a resultant unwillingness to strap a lot of extras onto people's backs in the name of some kind of "one true faith" -- should make one unteachable or unable to learn.

I agree, nothing inherently wrong, so long as it isn't blind love and pig-headed adherence. Generally it's a lack of humility which gets people backs up, but while that occurs everywhere, those known as fundies do it best.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

quote:
Originally posted by Josephine:
the Resident Babushka.
New. Title.
I reckon. She should change her ship second name thingy whatever that's called.

Cos that's the real problem with the world today you know. No one respects their elders anymore.

Too true Evensong, too true - you should have them in your church. (note absence of exclamation mark!) oops! no.. oops.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
...Generally it's a lack of humility which gets people backs up, but while that occurs everywhere, those known as fundies do it best.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything here, but do you sometimes wonder how easy it is for people to accuse others of this very "lack of humility?"

Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

As simple question: Do you think you have lacked humility?

Posted by QLib (# 43) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
... but do you sometimes wonder how easy it is for people to accuse others of this very "lack of humility?"

Good point - it is very easy to discern lack of humility in others, which is why most people most of the time make a big effort not to come across as arrogant, pompous pratts. So that makes it all the more obvious when someone doesn't bother.

Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :

Stop digging, Mark.

It takes a while to work the Ship out. I've not sussed it yet either. Just as it takes time for someone to learn the ropes in Orthodoxy or any othr Christian tradition.

Look, learn, then engage brain and speak.

Says Gamaliel who doesn't take his own advice ... [Hot and Hormonal]

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
As simple question: Do you think you have lacked humility?

I don't just think I have, I know I have, many times.

Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :

As for circumcision, well, that's no skin off my nose ...

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
As for circumcision, well, that's no skin off my nose ...

Did you intend to post this somewhere else, little cupcake?

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:

quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
As for circumcision, well, that's no skin off my nose ...
Did you intend to post this somewhere else, little cupcake?

Naaah, he was going to go to a synagogue or mosque and ask them if they'd... no, leave it, yeah?

Posted by Sine Nomine (# 66) on :

My current favorite cliché is "you can pretend to care, but you can't pretend show up.". However, for the purposes of this thread best to fall back to the old tried-and-true "When you point the finger at someone else, you've got three pointing back at yourself."

Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :

Just as long as you don't ask me to go the whole way and emasculate myself ...

[Ultra confused]

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:

quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
As for circumcision, well, that's no skin off my nose ...
Did you intend to post this somewhere else, little cupcake?

The T'n'T board closed about eight years ago.

Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :

Though, SteveH seems to be the mirror image of this Young Ortho fundie, the liberal Anglican fundie

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
Look, they are not "scare quotes" - I only use them because the "hell" we use is just a metaphore - not the real place - OK?

I'm not sure why I feel like punishing myself by bothering to talk with you. Because unless I take a nail gun to my temple, I'm not going to be able to think down to your level of gibbering idiocy. But I have a fondness for this old haunt, so let me pretend you have enough functioning brain cells to grasp a couple simple concepts (wasted though the effort probably wil be).

The exact meaning of "scare quotes" is: ...quotation marks placed around a word or phrase to indicate that it does not signify its literal or conventional meaning. Which is precisely what you asserted the meaning of your usage to be. And you'd have figured that out if you had bothered to question your supposed "understanding" and looked them up - because it's the first fucking result in a Google search.
"Metaphore" isn't a real word, but the typo is a hilariously huge signpost for how little you bother to check what you say. A metaphor, if you will, for how little your utterances are worth.
"OK?" That depends on how much you like being a loser. Your maladaptive mode of posting, exemplified by your tragic posts on this thread, is the whole point of why this thread exists. Which, as it happens, is fundamentally tied to why this whole board exists: to point out to annoying little cumstains such as yourself that you are, in fact, annoying little stains of ejaculate.

Basically, you suck. And if you see me outside of Hell, you better run for your pathetic little fucking life.

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

quote:
Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
Though, SteveH seems to be the mirror image of this Young Ortho fundie, the liberal Anglican fundie

That's the tiredest, lamest, least original jibe you could aim at a liberal, but in any case, on what grounds do you think I'm a liberal fundie?

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by RooK:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
Look, they are not "scare quotes" - I only use them because the "hell" we use is just a metaphore - not the real place - OK?
I'm not sure why I feel like punishing myself by bothering to talk with you. Because unless I take a nail gun to my temple, I'm not going to be able to think down to your level of gibbering idiocy. But I have a fondness for this old haunt, so let me pretend you have enough functioning brain cells to grasp a couple simple concepts (wasted though the effort probably wil be).
The exact meaning of "scare quotes" is: ...quotation marks placed around a word or phrase to indicate that it does not signify its literal or conventional meaning. Which is precisely what you asserted the meaning of your usage to be. And you'd have figured that out if you had bothered to question your supposed "understanding" and looked them up - because it's the first fucking result in a Google search.
"Metaphore" isn't a real word, but the typo is a hilariously huge signpost for how little you bother to check what you say. A metaphor, if you will, for how little your utterances are worth.
"OK?" That depends on how much you like being a loser. Your maladaptive mode of posting, exemplified by your tragic posts on this thread, is the whole point of why this thread exists. Which, as it happens, is fundamentally tied to why this whole board exists: to point out to annoying little cumstains such as yourself that you are, in fact, annoying little stains of ejaculate.
Basically, you suck. And if you see me outside of Hell, you better run for your pathetic little fucking life.

Aaaaah, a "fundie" intellectual - just what I need! [Smile]

Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :

The quality of chew toys has really declined around here. I am disappoint.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
Basically, you suck. And if you see me outside of Hell, you better run for your pathetic little fucking life.
Aaaaah, a "fundie" intellectual - just what I need!

Mark,

You need a number of things. Firstly you must ignore the peanuts thrown your way. Consider that an elementary exercise in discernment. Just in case the invective has got in way your most pressing need appears to have already been outlined in Josephine's posts.

Otherwise, getting a girlfriend and moving out of the parental home look wise.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Janine:

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
... Mark Betts as a fundie? Except as the reformed smoker self righteous type against... his former church... Tho... no doubt some other One True Church with All The True Authority in the World will come along.....and *poof*, there will go his orthodox faith in a cloud of dust.

quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
I would define a fundamentalist as somebody who is so confident they are right, they cannot learn from others... neither can they teach- for learning is in the conversation...
No reason why a love for and adherence to the basics -- the fundamentals -- and a resultant unwillingness to strap a lot of extras onto people's backs in the name of some kind of "one true faith" -- should make one unteachable or unable to learn.

Except we couldn't find any commonality in Christianity when we tried. We did have a thread on this. And your argument is essentially 'the bible says it, I believe it. That settles it.' There is not a lot of learning in that.

Posted by Beeswax Altar (# 11644) on :

quote:
Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
Though, SteveH seems to be the mirror image of this Young Ortho fundie, the liberal Anglican fundie

I know, right?

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

I'm guessing you can't "poke" people on this...

Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Steve H:

quote:
Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
Though, SteveH seems to be the mirror image of this Young Ortho fundie, the liberal Anglican fundie
That's the tiredest, lamest, least original jibe you could aim at a liberal, but in any case, on what grounds do you think I'm a liberal fundie?

I wasn't expecting good reviews from you, dear
I think your antics on the Ordinariate thread in Purgatory speak for themselves. You have as much tolerance in you as a Bennite at a Labour Conference circa 1981

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
Aaaaah,

Ejaculates the wanker.

quote:
a "fundie"

HA HA HA HA. Fool. A category error of truly epic breadth. I'd dare you to ask around as to why, but clearly you are unable to learn anything anyway.

quote:
intellectual

How amusingly meaningless. Everything smarter than roadkill would count as "intellectual" from your perspective.

quote:
just what I need!

You're probably right. If I were to hound your every word, and mash your filthy fucking stupidity in your miserable face over and over, it might be exactly the thing you need to finally find the iota of will it would take to stop sucking as much as you do. Even if it's not what you need, it's certainly what you deserve.

Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :

Nobody tell him, please? It's too amusing. RooK, there's a new sig for you.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Leaf:
The quality of chew toys has really declined around here. I am disappoint.

Oh, I don't know. There's something quite fascinating about having a chew toy trying to have a go at Rook. Rather like watching a cute animated character hurl themselves full tilt at a brick wall. I expect little stars or tweety birds to appear.

Also reminds me of that computer classic, Lemmings.

[ 04. June 2012, 05:25: Message edited by: orfeo ]

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

quote:
Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:

quote:
Originally posted by Steve H:

quote:
Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
Though, SteveH seems to be the mirror image of this Young Ortho fundie, the liberal Anglican fundie
That's the tiredest, lamest, least original jibe you could aim at a liberal, but in any case, on what grounds do you think I'm a liberal fundie?
I wasn't expecting good reviews from you, dear
I think your antics on the Ordinariate thread in Purgatory speak for themselves. You have as much tolerance in you as a Bennite at a Labour Conference circa 1981

You can't expect me to like those miserable misogynists, especially the ones who've been incredibly selfish while they were in the C of E, but being rude about people who you strongly disagree with doesn't make you any kind of fundie. I did say, and meant sincerely, that, while very glad to see the back of them, I wished them well in their new communion.
Anyway, the word 'fundamentalist/fundie' has become hopelessly devalued. It used to have a very specific meaning: someone who believed in the literal truth, as well as the inerrancy, of the Bible, or in other words a young-earth creationist. Now it's more or less synonymous with 'bigot', and is just a vague insult-word.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Oh, I don't know. There's something quite fascinating about having a chew toy trying to have a go at Rook.

OK, I obviously seem to be missing something... This guy RooK thinks he's the big man on here, I can see he's "Admin" whatever that means. But in reality, he's just a little boy (behind a PC screen) who's given far more credence than he deserves, just because he knows how to use a few big words.

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

[Killing me]

@ Mark Betts

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Oh, I don't know. There's something quite fascinating about having a chew toy trying to have a go at Rook.
OK, I obviously seem to be missing something... This guy RooK thinks he's the big man on here, I can see he's "Admin" whatever that means. But in reality, he's just a little boy (behind a PC screen) who's given far more credence than he deserves, just because he knows how to use a few big words.

First time I've thoroughly agreed with you, Mark, and probably the last. That stream of potty-mouthed invective above was just pathetic. I know this is Hell, but even in Hell a modicum of intelligence and originality doesn't come amiss.

Posted by Spike (# 36) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
I can see he's "Admin" whatever that means.

The Admins are the people who have the final say in how this place is run. You'd be wise to remember that.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Steve H:
That stream of potty-mouthed invective above

"Stream"? Jeez, you really don't get out of the basement much, do you? As flows of profanity go in Hell, that was a mere trickle. A brook at best.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Spike:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
I can see he's "Admin" whatever that means.
The Admins are the people who have the final say in how this place is run. You'd be wise to remember that.

I know...

Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Steve H:

That stream of potty-mouthed invective above was just pathetic. I know this is Hell, but even in Hell a modicum of intelligence and originality doesn't come amiss.

I have *far* more sense than to tell RooK what to do, but this looks to me like a challenge he might like to rise to…

Also, how much money would I need to pay for Josephine to change her title to "Ship's Babushka"?

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Oh, I don't know. There's something quite fascinating about having a chew toy trying to have a go at Rook.
OK, I obviously seem to be missing something... This guy RooK thinks he's the big man on here, I can see he's "Admin" whatever that means. But in reality, he's just a little boy (behind a PC screen) who's given far more credence than he deserves, just because he knows how to use a few big words.

RooK is a big man around here and has been since before he was made an admin. And that's because he has history here and often the fine oil of wisdom is squeezed out from the bitter language. And that's why he was made an admin: he's not a fool and he doesn't suffer fools kindly. And yes, he could suspend or plank you. So don't get cheeky with him if he posts as an admin.

If I were you, I'd call it a day for now in Hell. Trust me, you won't come out looking any better than you do now. A few more days here and you might be looking like dog fight bait with an ear torn off.

Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :

quote:
la vie en rouge: Also, how much money would I need to pay for Josephine to change her title to "Ship's Babushka"?

I think I'd prefer 'Resident Babushka'. But maybe that's a matter of taste...

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
he's not a fool and he doesn't suffer fools kindly.

It's about respect and it has to be earned - that cuts both ways.

quote:
And yes, he could suspend or plank you. So don't get cheeky with him if he posts as an admin.

I know all that - I'm not a fool neither, but does it do any harm to say what you think, rather than crawl up to people, no matter what they say, in fear that your life will be over if you're "blocked" from this section? I use this term deliberately, because Hell is in reality nothing more than a "Facebook" for christians and anti-christians alike.

Posted by passer (# 13329) on :

To borrow an expression from another board, it's the Mark and Steve summerfag show.

Posted by irish_lord99 (# 16250) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
he's not a fool and he doesn't suffer fools kindly.
It's about respect and it has to be earned - that cuts both ways.

He HAS earned it, but, brother, you're quickly losing any you might have earned. You would do well to actually follow the advice given you by Josephine and others here.

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
And yes, he could suspend or plank you. So don't get cheeky with him if he posts as an admin.

I know all that - I'm not a fool neither*, but does it do any harm to say what you think, rather than crawl up to people, no matter what they say, in fear that your life will be over if you're "blocked" from this section? I use this term deliberately, because Hell is in reality nothing more than a "Facebook" for christians and anti-christians alike.

You've been here since April. I wouldn't presume to tell people here 'what hell is' and I don't think you should either.

----------

*"Not a fool either." If you're going to claim intelligence, then do at least use proper grammar. [Biased]

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

Let me add my two cents worth.

Mark, quit while you are behind. Spend a few days away from the Ship.

Realize that saying things you know to be true is not the way to communicate and persuade. If you communicate in ways that are not considerate of other people's beliefs and feelings you will not persuade them, neither will the truth shine out among the words.

RooK was using a stream of invective to both be admonitory, and to be humorous. I know it is hard to see the humor when it is aimed at you and when you do not share the same history on the Ship as others who have been around longer.

If RooK was being mean you would simply not be able to post anymore. You say you could go elsewhere, and yet you seem to enjoy this place. False bravado is not what mature people do.

You are intelligent. And you have the certainty of youth and passion. Use your intelligence to soften the passion and you will find yourself more welcome.

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

OK, I quit for now - just two points:

Some of the stuff I say is tongue-in-cheek, I get the humour bit...
"I'm not a fool neither" was supposed to be an irony, and I'm glad someone picked it up (and if you believe that you'll believe anything!)

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Steve H:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Oh, I don't know. There's something quite fascinating about having a chew toy trying to have a go at Rook.
OK, I obviously seem to be missing something... This guy RooK thinks he's the big man on here, I can see he's "Admin" whatever that means. But in reality, he's just a little boy (behind a PC screen) who's given far more credence than he deserves, just because he knows how to use a few big words.
First time I've thoroughly agreed with you, Mark, and probably the last. That stream of potty-mouthed invective above was just pathetic. I know this is Hell, but even in Hell a modicum of intelligence and originality doesn't come amiss.

Oh Lordy. Mark and Steve, two little pigs daring the big bad wolf to blow their house down.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

I can't help but wonder if Rook ever tires of such brown nosing.

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Oh Lordy...

it's...

[ 04. June 2012, 13:23: Message edited by: Steve H ]

Posted by Josephine (# 3899) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
It's about respect and it has to be earned - that cuts both ways.

Mark, respect doesn't have to be earned. It can be given freely. You can choose to treat everyone with respect.

And when you're new to a community or to an organization, it's wise to be careful in making judgments about people. You don't know the history. You don't know the culture. A little humility goes a long way.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

..... because Hell is in reality nothing more than a "Facebook" for christians and anti-christians alike.

They use the same technology but I'm buggered if I can find any meaningful resemblance in, if you like, business terms.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I can't help but wonder if Rook ever tires of such brown nosing.

He gets the complaints and whines, so I think he deserves a few "atta boys". Even foul-mouthed admins need a little lurve. [Smile]

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I can't help but wonder if Rook ever tires of such brown nosing.

Dear Lord, never.

Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :

This thread is becoming almost as interesting as the Queen's Jubilee. When does the wet choir come on?

Posted by Mark Betts (# 17074) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
This thread is becoming almost as interesting as the Queen's Jubilee. When does the wet choir come on?

Yes I'm tempted to spend an enjoyable evening watching them wheeling out old dinosaurs like Sir Paul McCartney, and the unfunniest comedian ever, Lenny Henry...

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

I have just composed a long post comparing Lenny Henry to many other comedians and then deleted it.

Hoping this meets with the H & A's approval,

Sioni

Posted by Kyzyl (# 374) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I have just composed a long post comparing Lenny Henry to many other comedians and then deleted it.

Hoping this meets with the H & A's approval,

Sioni

Aw come on, Lenny made a good shrunken head in "Harry Potter & The Prisoner of Azkaban" [Razz]

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

[bans Tortuf]
Die, meddling scum.

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I can't help but wonder if Rook ever tires of such brown nosing.

You say that like I might not be a completely self-obsessed egomaniac. But you know I am. And that's my photogenic side. Now get out of my spotlight, and let me play with my new toys.

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
I obviously seem to be missing something

Oh, but what could that possibly be? Is it perhaps one of the variety of obvious things that have been pointed out to you using small words, sometimes repeated slowly by extremely helpful people?

quote:
[RooK]'s given far more credence than he deserves, just because he knows how to use a few big words.

Actually, I'm also given far mor credence than I deserve because of some of the itty bitty little krillfucking words I know how to use. Plus the years spent being a Hellhost after distinguishing myself in the historic Heaven/Hell war - yadda yadda yadda - pathetic stuff like that.

quote:
I know...

It's funny. You say it, but you don't act like it's true. It's almost like your brain is off getting rugburns while your mouth/keyboard have a housewrecking party in your public identity.

quote:
It's about respect and it has to be earned

Is your entire philosophical mien based on Hollywood westerns? That 200kg gorilla with a biker jacket on and knife scars showing on his face - you might want to at least show him some respect, even before he "earns it" from your perspective.

quote:
that cuts both ways

No, it really really doesn't. Respect can, and should, exist completely objectively. I'm going to respect a mother grizzly bear, even (maybe especially) if she doesn't respect me. Josephine's suggestion to default to respect is a might bit too mature and functional for my own tastes, but I respect her stance. (Also, she was crowned Queen Of Hell once, that's something too.)

quote:
OK, I quit for now

Liar.

quote:
Yes

See.

quote:
Originally posted by Steve H:
even in Hell a modicum of intelligence and originality doesn't come amiss

I dare you to assert that again, except with a modicum or intelligence OR originality.

Posted by Sine Nomine (# 66) on :

It's never wise to appear to believe your own publicity,

Posted by AristonAstuanax (# 10894) on :

Just two questions:
1. I made popcorn, extra salt—who wants some?
2. Josephene, I thought you had to be old to be in the Babushka Brigade. Is there a sort of very-early-promotion due to merit program we don't know about?

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by AristonAstuanax:
I made popcorn, extra salt—who wants some?

Damn you and your extra salt.

Posted by Josephine (# 3899) on :

quote:
Originally posted by AristonAstuanax:
Just two questions:
1. I made popcorn, extra salt—who wants some?
2. Josephene, I thought you had to be old to be in the Babushka Brigade. Is there a sort of very-early-promotion due to merit program we don't know about?

You're flattering me, AristonAstaunax. Like the waiters who card me when I order wine. They're being silly, but I don't mind.

And, yes, popcorn please.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:

quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
he's not a fool and he doesn't suffer fools kindly.
It's about respect and it has to be earned - that cuts both ways.

You are singularly bad at taking advice.

RooK has earned more respect here than you, judging by your debut, ever will, times 100. You, so far, have earned zilch.

Did I mention taking advice?

quote:
Originally posted by Tortuf:
False bravado is not what mature people do.

Mark: Make a common, pithy statement out of this set of words: { mark, and, digest, learn, inwardly }

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
Some of the stuff I say is tongue-in-cheek, I get the humour bit...

The problem is, once you've made a total ass of yourself, until you have unmade yourself an ass, "humor" on your part will probably not be perceived as such, but either way makes you look even more an ass. This is a fact of human interaction and has nothing to do with you personally, except that you instantiate it.

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

I'd say something, but I'm banned.

Posted by Net Spinster (# 16058) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Betts:
OK, I quit for now - just two points:

Some of the stuff I say is tongue-in-cheek, I get the humour bit...
"I'm not a fool neither" was supposed to be an irony, and I'm glad someone picked it up (and if you believe that you'll believe anything!)

I suggest not doing humor on a lava flow when the hot lava is still flowing below the cooler surface; you aren't good enough to avoid cracking the surface. I'm not sure yet whether hell is a pahoehoe or an aa flow or maybe the crater home of Pele herself (pahoehoe may be purgatory and aa, dead horses), but, all three should be trod carefully.

I see someone has the popcorn; I'll offer up some guacamole and chips.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

May we please have a cannibalism post now. And Mousie, nice post. You came very close to suggesting RooK has 100 times zilch respect. It wasn't until I reread it, I discovered that wasn't the implication.

And Tortuf, we need your voice of reason. Otherwise we won't know how many standard deviations we have deviated from it...

Posted by Janine (# 3337) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
... I agree, nothing inherently wrong {with being a fundamentalist, one assumes}, so long as it isn't blind love and pig-headed adherence. Generally it's a lack of humility which gets people backs up, but while that occurs everywhere, those known as fundies do it best.

My mileage varies from that, often and widely.

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
It's never wise to appear to believe your own publicity,

The rugburn mention is what summoned you, isn't it. Which uptight old adenoidal author are you quoting there?

quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
May we please have a cannibalism post now.

All my posts are cannibalism posts. It's just that the ones involving condiments are more obvious. Surely you've seen me play with my food before, letting them marinade in their doom.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
This thread is becoming almost as interesting as the Queen's Jubilee. When does the wet choir come on?

Not to undercut your fury or anything, RooK, but I really need to know-- what in God's Holy Name is a wet choir? It sounds pornograpic.

Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :

psst, Kelly, highlight of the River Pageant part of the Diamond Jubilee fest was the wet choir at the end

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

I still don't know what a wet choir is.

Posted by Amos (# 44) on :

Kelli--It was cold. It rained. Everyone got wet. The choir also got wet. They sang anyway. This is England. The Queen and the Duke had to stand on their barge smiling and waving for four hours without a drink or a pee break. The Duke (who is old enough to know better) is now in hospital with a bladder infection.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Well, I am pretty stupid, I guess.

Not as stupid as someone who spells Kelly with an "i" though. [Big Grin]

Posted by Amos (# 44) on :

Abases self. I am so sorry, Kelly. Forgive me. I hadn't had enough coffee yet--and, yes, I have a close friend over here who spells it t'other way.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Luckily you're cute when you abase yourself.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I still don't know what a wet choir is.

I think your mistake (and mine) was to somehow think that the wetness was supposed to have a direct influence on the sound of the music.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Well, they may have been enthusiastic about it.

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

quote:
Originally posted by RooK:

quote:
Originally posted by Steve H:
even in Hell a modicum of intelligence and originality doesn't come amiss
I dare you to assert that again, except with a modicum or intelligence OR originality.

A 'Ship of Fools' admin, called RooK
Told a shipmate called Steve H "Now LooK -
I dare you to say
What you said t'other day
But with brains and no cliches - they SucK."

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

Not bad. Not bad. But look and suck don't rhyme unless you're from New Zealand.

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

You posted on the wrong thread. Yours is called Great Prats Redefined.

And limericks belong in the fucking Circus.

eta: This was to Dursley. And by peculiar happenstance also to Everstirshit.

[ 05. June 2012, 07:23: Message edited by: PeteC ]

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Not bad. Not bad. But look and suck don't rhyme unless you're from New Zealand.

They rhyme when I say them!

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Steve H:

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Not bad. Not bad. But look and suck don't rhyme unless you're from New Zealand.
They rhyme when I say them!

Oh fook off.

Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:

quote:
Originally posted by Steve H:

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Not bad. Not bad. But look and suck don't rhyme unless you're from New Zealand.
They rhyme when I say them!
Oh fook off.

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:

quote:
Originally posted by Steve H:

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Not bad. Not bad. But look and suck don't rhyme unless you're from New Zealand.
They rhyme when I say them!
Oh fook off.

Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on :

There's a story of the 50s explorer Sir John Fuchs being given a civic reception somewhere in the West Riding, and being introduced by the Mayor as Sir John Fucks.
Sir JF: Actually, your Worship, it's pronounced 'Fooks'
Mayor: Now then, Sir John, I'll have no bad language in my town...

Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :

Or the newspaper headline: "Sir John Fuchs off to North Pole"

Posted by Sine Nomine (# 66) on :

quote:
Originally posted by RooK:

quote:
Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
It's never wise to appear to believe your own publicity,
The rugburn mention is what summoned you, isn't it. Which uptight old adenoidal author are you quoting there?

If it had been a quote there would have been quotation marks around it. Unlike some I'm old-fashioned that way.

But more to the point, ever since Grits told me you were tall, quiet and had a nice smile your hairy monster alter ego with the pointed tail just hasn't had the same punch.

(As to rugburn, these days I think I'm living on the edge doing it on the sofa, which reminds me of the immortal words of Mrs. Patrick Campbell – note quotes - "The deep, deep peace of the double-bed after the hurly-burly of the chaise-lounge.")

[Razz]

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
But more to the point, ever since Grits told me you were tall, quiet and had a nice smile your hairy monster alter ego with the pointed tail just hasn't had the same punch.

Why on earth does anyone think the devil is ugly? If he was, he wouldn't be so damn alluring.

Posted by Sine Nomine (# 66) on :

It was more the 'quiet' part.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

Didn't your mother always tell you it was the quiet ones you have to worry about?

Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

quote:
Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
But more to the point, ever since Grits told me you were tall, quiet and had a nice smile your hairy monster alter ego with the pointed tail just hasn't had the same punch.
Why on earth does anyone think the devil is ugly? If he was, he wouldn't be so damn alluring.

Take your pick!

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Angloid:
Or the newspaper headline: "Sir John Fuchs off to North Pole"

That was my sig on another forum for a while! (It was the 'Liverpool Daily Post', btw.)

[ 05. June 2012, 16:59: Message edited by: Steve H ]

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

The OPer wishes this thread closed. It is done.

PeteC
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