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Posted by St. Gwladys (# 14504) on :
 
Am I the only one who isn't interested in street parties and bunting, who simply wants to enjoy a long weekend?
There is tto be a treet party in our street. We live on the end of the only flat bit, so we've got to move the car from outside our house by 10am and can't rerturn it till 6pm. The street will be "dressed" on Sunday. This means having bunting draped from bedroom window to bedroom window. (It is a terraced street) I don't want bunting hanging from my bedroom window!
It's not that I'm anti-monarchist, but I don't like forced, organised jollity!
 

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Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
Yer an old grump is what you are! See if Brenda ever stops by to have a chinwag over tea!

And why not come to Hell and really let your hair down?
 

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Posted by Hedgehog (# 14125) on :
 
If it is a good street party, it won't remain organized for long!

Yes, you are on the part of the street that is going to bear more of the burden, but what are we talking about here? Having to park your car elsewhere for 8 hours (during many of which you can be happily socializing with your neighbors and having a good time and not really needing a car) and for one day you have to tolerate bunting on your house. In exchange, you and your neighbors get a chance to socialize together, enjoy each other's company and perhaps learn a little more about each other in a relaxed atmosphere. Obviously, YMMV, but from my perspective, that's a great bargain!
 

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Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
I'm a republican so it doesn't appeal to me at all. I obviously joined the parties at the CofE school where I work, without comment. I even stood up for the anthem.

But the rest of it will be passing me by.


 

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Posted by sebby (# 15147) on :
 
I absolutely love it. Bunting everywhere and I've had the same experience with my cottage. There is a great poster of Our Sovereign Lady on the gate.

I just DREAD the boring hateful OLYMPICS. I wish they'd go away never to return to this or any other country.
 

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Posted by WhateverTheySay (# 16598) on :
 
I am doing everything I can to avoid the jubilee. I am not a fan of the queen at all and see no reason to celebrate anything. I desperately hope that I don't bump into any street parties. If I do see one I will walk right past and carry on trying to have a normal day.

I'm just looking forward to Wednesday when it is all over.

By the way I also hate the olympics. I am not interested in sport of any description. But mostly that is easier to avoid, I can just turn off the TV and find entertainment in things that actually interest me.
 

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Posted by St. Gwladys (# 14504) on :
 
Parking elsewhere becomes more of a problem when a] no-one has a garage, everyone parks on the street,
and b] Some days last week I could hardly walk from the car, parked in front of our house, into the house.
At least it's supposed to be cooler on Monday which will make the walking a little easier, but I don't really want to have to use my mobility scooter just to be able to get into the house!
 

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Posted by sebby (# 15147) on :
 
I agree on the Olympics, but we had a good party on 28th May as it was Oak Apple Day, to celebrate the glorious return of Our late Sovereign Lord King Charles II and the Restoration of the monarchy in 1660.

28th May by happy co-incidence happens to be the anniversary of His late Majesty's birthday. I was asked to speak in the local school, and was pleased to be able to tell of the joy of the people at His Majesty's happy return.
 

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Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 

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I absolutely love it. Bunting everywhere and I've had the same experience with my cottage. There is a great poster of Our Sovereign Lady on the gate.

I just DREAD the boring hateful OLYMPICS. I wish they'd go away never to return to this or any other country.

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I too am distinctly unenthused by both the Jubilee and the Olympics. The Olympics will largely pass me by, as I don't live in London any more, and I know how to use the TV remote.

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I thought that too, until I discovered other Olympic venues in the UK - Coventry, Newcastle, Manchester, Weymouth, Cardiff, etc which is why travel disruption is likely to be more widespread than just London.

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Posted by passer (# 13329) on :
 
Ariel - you frightened me, but Google has calmed my fears! We get the torch on June 25th but that's it. I came over all unnecessary then for a moment!
 

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Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 
I think people, both pro and anti monarchy are taking it way too seriously.

It's an excuse to party, and its an excuse to watch the TV. No one does fancy dress parties like the British monarchy (Not since the Ruskies murdered theirs.)

It's pomp and colour. But it isn't serious. Lighten up.
 

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Posted by Morlader (# 16040) on :
 
No sign of street party hereabouts, at least yet TBTG.

Olympics? Well there was a lot of hoo-ha about the torch at Lands End, but it's all quiet since.

I can work the TV remote, too. So, a chance to catch up on recorded stuff...

I am not anti-monarchy, BTW. But pleased to have HMQ still there, keeping Charlie and horse-face at bay!!
 

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Posted by Yerevan (# 10383) on :
 
And boring tweedy William. I have a soft spot for Harry though. He would be a fun king.
 

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Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
The Scots seem to be keeping themselves well in check. I haven't seen a scrap of bunting. God has indicated approval by gifting us with a tolerably summery weekend, while visiting London with cold and rain.

Ah weel.
 

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Posted by passer (# 13329) on :
 
Oh my.
 

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Posted by cattyish (# 7829) on :
 
Up here in the North East of the world's best small country we have union flags, inflatable corgis and plastic crowns galore. I don't mind, but I'm no more going to wear a plastic crown than wave a flag on the street. (I'm not. No, no, no, no so there.)

Cattyish, not getting involved.
 

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Posted by shamwari (# 15556) on :
 
I am not a republican. I cannot abide the thought of an elected Head of State. God help us if ever we had the likes of Tony Blair or David Cameron at the helm.

Nor am I an ardent monarchist.

I would rather we had the Queen / King and cut everyone else out of the Civil List barring the next heir.
 

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Posted by Surfing Madness (# 11087) on :
 
There appears to be a distinct lack of flags and bunting where I live. I think it the whole things is going to pass me by, I have lots of Uni work due for the next week or two, and am at placement Monday and Tuesday, so no celebrating for me!
 

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Posted by tessaB (# 8533) on :
 
Deeply unenthusiastic about the whole thing. However, our outreach committee at church, seeing an opportunity, is organising a Big Lunch for Sunday on the green in the middle of our local housing estate.
This means that beloved husband (chair of the committee) will be involved doing stuff most of the weekend. Youngest son is home from boarding school so I have an ideal reason not to go (oh no, he'll frighten the toddlers/have a meltdown etc.) I might take him down to stuff his face with burgers while I paint a face or two.
 

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Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on :
 
TBTG that I now live in a small village in India - I don't think they'll be any street parties here. If I were still in inner city Liverpool things might be a little different and I might have had to socialise with my dreaded neighbours, or go away for the weekend.
 

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Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Practically all the Brits I converse with fairly regularly are my shipmates. As a group you are a bunch of likeable, curmudgeonly individualists. Then when I heard London got the Olympics, I thought, "Oh, noooo! What are this lot going to do with an expensive, extroverted exercise in nationalism? Will there will just be milling, muttering English crowds wandering around, dampening the innocent enthusiasm of visiting sports and festivity enthusiasts?"

Then I see events on the telly: royal weddings, Ascot, Jubilee, and happy multitudes with flags and funny hats (or gorgeous hats at the fancier events) and mums with gurgling babies enjoying the busy streets, and I think: "Why haven't I met these folks?"

Does the Ship have a super-secret screening device that only allows UK citizens whose motto is Bah Humbug to anything that is essentially useless, extravagant, goofy and fun in the moment?

[ 02. June 2012, 05:01: Message edited by: Lyda*Rose ]
 

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Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :
 
I'm a republican in theory, but don't feel strongly on the issue. Nothing wrong with street parties, and lots right with them, but not my scene. I'll be gardening and possibly going for a bike ride for four days. Anyway, there's no S.P. in my street that I know of. Last year, the road round the corner had the world's most half-hearted street party ever for the nuptials - a table and a few chairs for the adults, and a mini-bouncy castle for the sprogs, on a green area they've got in front of some of the houses.
 

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Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :
 
Nice to see lots of union jacks*, instead of the increasingly ubiquitous St George's cross of England, which is a bit crap as a flag anyway, quite apart from questions of the unity or otherwise of Britain. If the Scots want independence, good luck to them, but a St-Andrew's-crossless flag for the rest of us looks a bit feeble. Maybe we could incorporate the cross of St David for the Welsh. It's yellow and black, so the resulting new Union Jack* should be colourful.

*Yes, I do mean "union jack", not "flag", a word insisted on only by the tiresomely pedantic. I can be as pedantic as anyone when the fit is on me, but, like most pedants, I reserve the right to criticise other people's pet pedantries.
 

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Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :
 

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I am not a republican. I cannot abide the thought of an elected Head of State. God help us if ever we had the likes of Tony Blair or David Cameron at the helm.

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I just DREAD the boring hateful OLYMPICS. I wish they'd go away never to return to this or any other country.

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I am not a republican. I cannot abide the thought of an elected Head of State. God help us if ever we had the likes of Tony Blair or David Cameron at the helm.

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Since the person with real power in this country is the Prime Minister, we've already had Tony Blair at the helm, and are now lumbered with that fatuous posh idiot Cameron. The monarch is a mere figurehead.

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Originally posted by Steve H:
I'm a republican in theory, but don't feel strongly on the issue. Nothing wrong with street parties, and lots right with them, but not my scene.

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I'm a republican in theory, but don't feel strongly on the issue. Nothing wrong with street parties, and lots right with them, but not my scene.

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That's me too. I'm not a raging republican, but I don't like the idea of an aristocracy - which is what the monarchy perpetuates. A monarchy like Norway's would do fine imo.

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Many of the aristocracy look down their noses at the royal family as a bunch of immigrants,

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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
TBTG that I now live in a small village in India - I don't think they'll be any street parties here. If I were still in inner city Liverpool things might be a little different and I might have had to socialise with my dreaded neighbours, or go away for the weekend.

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No street parties in India? In the village? Ever been to a wedding? Ever cadged a free meal?

Don't mind Wodders, folks. He's just getting really old.


 

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Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 

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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Many of the aristocracy look down their noses at the royal family as a bunch of immigrants,

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Bit rich, considering they came over with William the Bastard. Actually, all those arrivistes off the longboats can go back where they came from as well.

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Originally posted by shamwari:
I am not a republican. I cannot abide the thought of an elected Head of State. God help us if ever we had the likes of Tony Blair or David Cameron at the helm.

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Since the person with real power in this country is the Prime Minister, we've already had Tony Blair at the helm, and are now lumbered with that fatuous posh idiot Cameron. The monarch is a mere figurehead.

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I thought the people with real power were bankers, city traders, media moguls and CEOs of those corporations with a book value of a small country. An elected head of state leading a government that could do its job without sucking up to these would be change for the better.

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I'm a republican in theory, but don't feel strongly on the issue. Nothing wrong with street parties, and lots right with them, but not my scene.

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That's me too. I'm not a raging republican, but I don't like the idea of an aristocracy - which is what the monarchy perpetuates. A monarchy like Norway's would do fine imo.<typo>

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Many of the aristocracy look down their noses at the royal family as a bunch of immigrants, much as the BNP and UKIP look on Poles and Pakistanis.

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Prince big-ears can trace his ancestry back to Alfred the great. There may have been a German branch of the family from whom he's more recently descended, but the idea that the modern royals are a bunch of kraut Johnny-come-latelys is over-simplifying.

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Posted by Surfing Madness (# 11087) on :
 
I see even Google is on the Jubilee act!
 

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Posted by Pine Marten (# 11068) on :
 
Well, I'm not bothered much about the Olympics.

I'm not a republican either, and I'm pleased to say that my fellow churchwarden is having a barbeque in her garden on Monday, where we are all encouraged to go in fancy dress, the theme being 'royalty'. I'm bigging it up as the Queen of the Night from the Magic Flute (and no, I'm not singing that ruddy aria!).

Actually as a staunch supporter of His Grace King Richard III I'm feeling nostalgic for the 15th century. Things just haven't been the same since the last Plantagenet died .
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
I am anti-monarchy but I will have to walk through two street parties on my way to and from mass tomorrow. I shall be wearing the same badge that i wore for the 25th jubilee "Stop the cuts. Stuff the Jubillee' Still relevant.

We are keeping Trinity Sunday and i don't know who is doing the intercessions and whether or not s/he is sentimental enough to pray for the Queen. I always pray for elderly people, however.

I choose the hymns and the national them isn't one of them. I always sit for the National Anthem.
 

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Posted by Lucrezia Spagliatoni Dayglo (# 16907) on :
 
I too am sick of all the hype, Jubilee and Olympics (Bah Humbug most certainly, I blame the media).

As for the Olympics the final straw for me came this morning. Radio 4 iPM an article about Bill Lucas, an Olympian who flew 81 missions for Bomber Command. The BOA have denied him a place in the 2012 torch relay as he hadn't won a medal in 1948 games. Hells teeth, it just about sums up the whole fiasco.
 

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Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :
 

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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
If I were still in inner city Liverpool things might be a little different

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Here in inner-suburban Liverpool there is no sign of a street party. One in our street would be fun, but not, please not, for this obsequious travesty of a Jubilee. Hasn't anyone read Leviticus? [25:8ff]
 

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Posted by Anglican_Brat (# 12349) on :
 
Meh...the corporations run the country anyway, whether there is a Queen or a President. So, really it makes no difference between celebrating a Jubilee every five years and a Presidential inauguration.

I guess at least with a President, the figurehead occasionally changes.
 

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Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :
 


Like youth on the young, I've often thought the British and Commonwealth Head of State rather squandered on her realm! If she were a cleric or a CEO, she would long ago have upped sticks and gone somewhere where she could've been properly appreciated.

How much income, proportionately, does the Head of State for Ireland bring into the Dáil coffers, compared to his counterpart across the Bristol Channel? (Do you even know the Irish President's name without googling?) Is there much in the way of queues outside the residence of the President of France or Germany? Or which political party can offer - and literally bank on - a centuries old connection to an intriguing history, complete with unique and priceless artefacts which bring to life the roots of Medievalism, Enlightenment, Renaissance and Industrial Revolution etc?

Which tells you more about the journey, temperament and soul of Scotland: Edinburgh Castle or the Scottish Assembly Building? And Pugin's artwork at Westminster isn't called a Palace for nothing - even though the Commons may roar and bluff their way through self-interested party measures for their personal enrichment for the short time they're permitted to blot the landscape.

Britain would be nothing more than a spit of land in a cold part of the globe, run by the usual rabble of half-wits and mad political genuises, if it didn't have a Queen like Lizzy, and a monarchy stretching back donkeys years to make it feel important! Who would take a pick of notice of the British without the monarchy?

'Oh, sorry - who are you again? Ah, yes - Britain - rains a lot, some nice old buildings, once had a rather interesting history? So, what you been doing since you retired?'


Look at Syria, look at Egypt, look at almost every nation that is currently in huge turmoil, where the ordinary people are the everyday victims of military violence or government corruption. Even in its worst incarnation, when this too could be seen in England's Green and Pleasant, the tortuous, evolving and necessary tug of war between Peers and People - monarchy and government - was still struggling to create the relatively stable and democratic constitution that the UK has the privilege of experience at the moment.

Enjoy Her Maj, while we still have her and appreciate the good things she's brought to the UK!

Of course this could be a slight wind-up...
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 

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Here in inner-suburban Liverpool there is no sign of a street party. One in our street would be fun, but not, please not, for this obsequious travesty of a Jubilee. Hasn't anyone read Leviticus? [25:8ff]

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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Many of the aristocracy look down their noses at the royal family as a bunch of immigrants,

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Bit rich, considering they came over with William the Bastard. Actually, all those arrivistes off the longboats can go back where they came from as well.

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I imagine I'm a descendant of King Alfred and William's fellow opporunists too: after over 40 generations the odds are that we all are.

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Yes, but the point is that Big-ears can prove it. I doubt if I could trace my ancestry much further back than the 19th Century even if I wanted to, which I don't.

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You realise George I was fifty-eight in line to the throne? At that degree of propinquity, I reckon we should go for the system proposed in The Napoleon of Notting Hill.

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Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
Firenze - I love that book

I'm ambivilent about the Jubilee stuff - I just can't be bothered to be bothered. A particularly gushy friend asked on facebook for suggestions for a Jubilee playlist. I think I wasn't supposed to have suggested 'Dancing Queen' and 'Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend' - seems she was looking for 'Jerusalem' and 'Land of Hope and Glory'. Someone else suggested the Sex Pistols though

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As for the Olympics the final straw for me came this morning. Radio 4 iPM an article about Bill Lucas, an Olympian who flew 81 missions for Bomber Command. The BOA have denied him a place in the 2012 torch relay as he hadn't won a medal in 1948 games. Hells teeth, it just about sums up the whole fiasco.

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I was listening to that - I felt sad for him. For me, a summing up of the wankery that is the Olympic 'organising' was given by a friend who'd initially been quite pleased to be nominated as a torch-carrier. He withdrew from being nominated when he was told that he was not allowed to mount a torch on his wheelchair and instead had to have a 'carer' push him. If they carry on that logic, there's going to be serious competition to claim Mr Bolt as a 'carer' for the duration of the wheelchair sprint events in the Paralympics.

Bloody Olympics, who is it that is actually pleased about them in London. That will be a time to visit friends for a few weeks if I still haven't found a job and am stuck on land at the time
 

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Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
Mind you - I do feel sorry for them today as it rains on their parade!
 

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Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
Well yes, there'll be a lot of people (and children) looking forward to their street parties and other outdoor events who'll now be wondering whether to go ahead or not. Quite cold as well as rainy here.

Incidentally I see the Olympic sponsors are planning to turn off any non-Visa cashpoints in the Olympic venues. Prices are also going to be pretty high for refreshment. It's a few days ago now but I think it said in the paper that it'd probably be £4 something for a Coke and £8 something for fish and chips. If you really feel you must go.
 

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Posted by Avila (# 15541) on :
 
Double bank holiday, School half term, lots of outdoor events planned....

...the greatest rain making ceremony you can get!
 

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Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 

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Double bank holiday, School half term, lots of outdoor events planned....

...the greatest rain making ceremony you can get!

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Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
You have to love the BBC coverage. "Here I am in a pub" (says the announcer) "where there's been a remarkable display of community spirit." Cut to a quick interview with some people in Jubilee clothing arranging a festive table, then cut to a close-up of a rhubarb crumble at the pub's bar. "The local allotment association has provided 16 rhubarb crumbles. That's how excited people are about the Jubilee."

You heard it here first, folks: excitement is now officially measured by units of crumble.
 

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Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
I feel for those reporters who have to go out and do pointless fillers. Am watching Sky at the moment - the ship I just got off is on a buoy on the Thames with film-crews from BBC and SKy aboard, so I'm watching for bits of my friends on Tenacious - she's in the 'Moored Boats' panel - can't link direct, I just discovered! (insert plug for my sig. here!)
Bit sad not to be on her, having just done a transAt and a maintainence period on her, six or seven weeks in all!

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Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 

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You heard it here first, folks: excitement is now officially measured by units of crumble.

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Sorry to double-post - I just switched over to the BBC, and up came the crumble segment you were talking about. Did make me giggle when I thought of the crumble-ometer of public excitement
 

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Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :
 
I'm not very crumbled about the Jubilee myself, but I'm fairly crumbled about four days off work.
 

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Posted by Sighthound (# 15185) on :
 
I thank the good Lord there are no street parties round here, the TV coverage is bad enough. Luckily I have long since stopped reading the Liepapers, as I understand they are full of it too.

I am an unashamed Republican, and the more of this royalist guff I get thrust down my throat, the more militant I become.
 

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Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 

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You heard it here first, folks: excitement is now officially measured by units of crumble.

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Sometimes it causes me to crumble, crumble, crumble...

If you want alternative excitement, Djokovic is 2 sets to 1 down at Roland Garros on ITV.
 

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Posted by justlooking (# 12079) on :
 
I'm warming to it now. Watching the river pageant on BBC mostly with the sound off because I can't bear the commentary - one plonker actually referred to the Queen as Her Royal Highness instead of Her Majesty.

I like the Queen's outfit.
 

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Posted by Nenya (# 16427) on :
 
I'm watching it too and I think the Queen looks wonderful - if not quite as smiley as they keep saying she is. I guess you can't beam all the time... but I do wonder if she's feeling quite well...?

Another classic bit of commentary earlier:

"I was on that boat earlier this week and I can assure you it didn't look anything like that."

"That's because you were on the Gloriana and this is the Spirit of Chartwell."


 

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Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
Swapped over briefly to have a look and caught sight of a barge with Boris Johnson - and not a torpedo to be had .
 

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Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 

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I'm warming to it now. Watching the river pageant on BBC mostly with the sound off because I can't bear the commentary

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The commentary is indeed annoying. It's quite cool watching all those little rowing boats - looking forward to the ariel shots of the whole lot.
 

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Posted by Nenya (# 16427) on :
 
Lots of comments about the wind, following by a shot of the Queen going below decks. Brought on a Gilbert and Sullivan moment -

"And when the breezes blow
I generally go below
And seek the seclusion that a cabin grants..."
 

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Posted by Qoheleth. (# 9265) on :
 
HMtQ looks frozen!
 

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Posted by Nenya (# 16427) on :
 
Maybe that's it - she's just cold.

I guess I'm about three-crumble excited about it all. (Zero-crumble about the Olympics... )
 

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Posted by Jack the Lass (# 3415) on :
 
I'm enjoying the twitter commentary much more than the real thing I must admit - the BBC commentary is far too fawning. @Queen_UK and @hellobuglers are both hilarious!
 

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Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 

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Double bank holiday, School half term, lots of outdoor events planned....

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looking forward to the ariel shots of the whole lot.

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Maybe that's it - she's just cold.

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It's the horse from "War Horse." Apparently it went to see the Queen at one point.

Is Tower Bridge going to open? It was shut fast the last time we looked.
 

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Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 

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the ship I just got off is on a buoy on the Thames with film... Tenacious - she's in the 'Moored Boats' panel - can't link direct, I just discovered!

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Well, she's right there, the square-rigger opposite the royal barge - BBC haven't mentioned her though

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Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 
The BBC mentioned Tenacious at least three times. Once at length about how she had been adapted to be sailed by a disabled crew, including pulleys to get wheelchairs up the rigging.
 

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Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
They did after my last post, yes, which was nice
 

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Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 

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looking forward to the ariel shots of the whole lot.

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I did my best but it never works well when you try photographing what you're watching on the telly. Have to say I'm really impressed with the film crew's camerawork.

I agree the Queen looks great in that outfit, and clearly enjoying herself, but surprised Kate isn't cold in that outfit.

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Why do you say that? I think we see a reasonable amount of her. Not that I'm a particularly avid royal watcher.

It was a wet afternoon for the street parties... the rhubarb crumbles must have got a bit soggy.
 

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Posted by Yerevan (# 10383) on :
 
The Sky commentary featured Eamonn Holmes getting increasingly irritable about the weather (and he's from Norn Iron...the man should be able to handle a bit of rain). He didn't seem to see the irony of displaying less stoicism than an eighty-something year old.
 

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Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
And what's more, the Queen appeared to be on her feet for the entire duration of the pageant, without any sign of flagging. That's stamina for you.
 

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Posted by Cara (# 16966) on :
 
I am another who must have slipped through that putative special Ship's filter (mentioned above) which seems to keep out almost everyone but grumpy anti-monarchists....

I loved the whole Jubilee Pageant on the river--really impressive. And I very much admire the Queen for her long and dutiful service, which is very hard work, and often, I'm sure, full of deadly boring bits, meeting and greeting etc. I also admire (and envy) her physical stamina--can't believe both she and Prince Philip, at I think 86 and 90 respectively, stayed standing throughout the whole proceedings.

I liked the whole historical element, the participation by boats from all over the country (and a few from beyond I think), and, really, the whole shebang.

Pity about the weather, though!

Cara
 

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Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
We had After Church Lunch Bunch at our local Irish pub, which had the festivities on the TV. I was very worried for the Queen when she was holding her umbrella and walking down stairs. What if she'd fallen? That could have been dangerous.

They all looked very nice!
 

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Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
It was absolutely wonderful, from the amazing diversity of boats on the water, to the class and grace of the royal family, and even to the weather showing how very British an event this was! This is what the country is all about. This is what puts the "Great" in "Great Britain". And any traitorous whiners, knockers and anti-royalists can just suck my ass and/or move to some inferior country where they haven't even got royalty.
 

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Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 
Republicans had been trying to rain on the parade. They'd organised a protest on the embankment near City Hall. Between one and two hundred cared enough about republicanism to turn up, compared to many thousand cheering the Queen as she went past.

I wouldn't worry about the republicans, they are such a tiny minority they can be ignored.
 

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Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :
 
Brilliant! I love your Queen! Sixty years of service to her country without once making a fool of herself.

I'm a fan of all the current royals, even Camilla who looked like she was doing a subtle boogie at one point. Kate is such perfection without seeming to be too self-conscious about it. The young men, uncommonly good natured as well as good looking.

Good for the UK. Tax money has been spent on far worse things than this nice, uplifting bit of history and tradition.
 

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Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :
 
We had a nice prayer for the Queen this morning in church and the Post Office has a Union Jack in the window.
 

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Posted by Laud-able (# 9896) on :
 
I thought the event was a triumph, from the Royal Jubilee Bells, the Gloriana, and the Spirit of Chartwell, to the smallest vessel, and the tender from the Britannia, and onshore the Princess Elizabeth locomotive on Battersea Rail Bridge.

The Queen and the Royal Family were as brilliant as ever, and I hope that they enjoyed it as much as the people obviously did.

But the BBC commentary was appallingly bad. The Queen arrived at Chelsea Harbour to be referred to by the naff commentator as “Her Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth . . . ” and from then on the commentary was downhill all the way.

I know that live commentary on such occasions is a challenge, but as every stretch of both sides of the river is laden with historical associations, the commentators could have been issued with briefing books that would have allowed them to fill in any unexpected pause or gap without resorting to inanities.

I understand that Pageant Master Adrian Evans was two and a half years in preparing for the event: the BBC would appear to have spent perhaps two and a half weeks.
 

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We are keeping Trinity Sunday and i don't know who is doing the intercessions and whether or not s/he is sentimental enough to pray for the Queen. I always pray for elderly people, however.

I choose the hymns and the national them isn't one of them. I always sit for the National Anthem.

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Originally posted by leo:
We are keeping Trinity Sunday and i don't know who is doing the intercessions and whether or not s/he is sentimental enough to pray for the Queen. I always pray for elderly people, however.

I choose the hymns and the national them isn't one of them. I always sit for the National Anthem.

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Do you fold your arms too? In my mind's eye I can see you remaining seated and folding your arms when the national anthem is played.

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Originally posted by Balaam:
Republicans had been trying to rain on the parade.

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
It was absolutely wonderful, from the amazing diversity of boats on the water, to the class and grace of the royal family, and even to the weather showing how very British an event this was! This is what the country is all about. This is what puts the "Great" in "Great Britain". .

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Originally posted by Laud-able:

I understand that Pageant Master Adrian Evans was two and a half years in preparing for the event: the BBC would appear to have spent perhaps two and a half weeks.

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The voice-over commentary was bad enough and I kept the sound off a lot of the time but the cameras kept switching to that pod thing with Sophie Raworth and whoever it was she had with her. I could understand it before things got going but they kept it up all through. We had the Queen and other Royals, the boats and the buildings along the Thames, but the BBC thought we needed regular breaks from all this for some pointless interview in the pod.

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Originally posted by justlooking:
The voice-over commentary was bad enough and I kept the sound off a lot of the time but the cameras kept switching to that pod thing with Sophie Raworth and whoever it was she had with her. I could understand it before things got going but they kept it up all through. We had the Queen and other Royals, the boats and the buildings along the Thames, but the BBC thought we needed regular breaks from all this for some pointless interview in the pod.

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Agreed. And I felt that - until the end - we didn't actually see all that much of the actual flotilla: loads of shots of Gloriana, the Queen's barge and the rowing-boats, much less of the working boats (for instance). Not a televisual triumph - why can't they understand that the pictures (plus a background commentary with facts) tell the story?

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I understand that Pageant Master Adrian Evans was two and a half years in preparing for the event: the BBC would appear to have spent perhaps two and a half weeks.

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a nod in the intercessions - you don't exactly have to agree with someone to pray for them. Mercifully us non-conformists weren't obliged to do anything beyond that on Sunday.

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I felt quite worried about the Queen standing that length of time.

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Originally posted by Ariel:
Missed the river pageant? See all the boats in 3 minutes with the BBc's timelapse photography.

(Some of it looks more like the Dodgems than a flotilla.)

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Originally posted by Ariel:
Missed the river pageant? See all the boats in 3 minutes with the BBc's timelapse photography.

(Some of it looks more like the Dodgems than a flotilla.)

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Originally posted by justlooking:
I felt quite worried about the Queen standing that length of time. I think the plan was for everyone to be seated for the sail and it looked like Prince Philip encouraged her to try the seats but I don't think there was enough shelter from the wind.

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Originally posted by Ariel:
Missed the river pageant? See all the boats in 3 minutes with the BBc's timelapse photography.

(Some of it looks more like the Dodgems than a flotilla.)

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I would rather watch paint dry.

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I've enjoyed the retrospectives, such as Griff Rhys Jones on Queen Elizabeth (I)'s progress in 1574 and Charles' tribute to his Mama with private archive film footage, but the procession was just that, a procession (with as others have said, some pretty ordinary seamanship on display). The 'Spirit of Chartwell' looked like a tarted up garbage barge and must have made HMtQ cry that her beloved Britannia is no more. No wonder her smile didn't look entirely radiant.

And now the Duke's in hospital, poor chap. He was ill over Christmas. Is he trying to tell HMtQ to cut down on high-profile TV appearances? He might try, but he won't succeed.
 

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Posted by WhateverTheySay (# 16598) on :
 
It is due to rain tomorrow where I am. Hopefully the street parties will have to go indoors and not inflict themselves on those of us who want to go about the day as normally as possible.
 

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Posted by shamwari (# 15556) on :
 
So here we go.

A Jubilee concert. For whom? The Queen or the mob that throngs the Mall?

Obviously not for the Queen. Will i am and Jessie J are the cast-offs from a failed BBC extravaganza. If thiis is the start what will the end be?
 

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Posted by Horatio Harumph (# 10855) on :
 
the most entertaining thing is reading peoples tweets while watching.

i had come to the conclusion that the auto tune and monitoring was badly off, however alfie bo is doing a pretty good job!

however up until now, how shocking its been, espesh cheryl.
 

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Posted by Miffy (# 1438) on :
 
Thanks for the link to the time lapse photography, Ariel. I was able to catch up on what I'd missed. Fell asleep watching the pageant.

Looking back over my blog post on the weekend, I realise I sound disgustingly gung-ho about the whole Jubilee. Not the impression I'd intended to give at all. Must be my Enneagram 6 ishness coming out.
 

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Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :
 
Must admit, I got quite dewy-eyed watching this, republican though I theoretically am.
 

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Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 

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Must admit, I got quite dewy-eyed watching this, republican though I theoretically am.

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I felt quite worried about the Queen standing that length of time. I think the plan was for everyone to be seated for the sail and it looked like Prince Philip encouraged her to try the seats but I don't think there was enough shelter from the wind.

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Prince Philip is in hospital now with a bladder infection. I'm sure the queen will miss him tonight and tomorrow.

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Originally posted by shamwari:
So here we go.

A Jubilee concert. For whom? The Queen or the mob that throngs the Mall?

Obviously not for the Queen. Will i am and Jessie J are the cast-offs from a failed BBC extravaganza. If thiis is the start what will the end be?

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Posted by PaulBC (# 13712) on :
 
Just watched the last act of the celebration at the Palace. Nicely done . And yes I saw some of the procession on the Thames yesterday and will probably see some of the service of Thankssgiiving at St.Paul's to morrow but on tape , coverage in Canada starts at 0130 here on Canada's west coast.
You know how are the Olympics going to top this ? Be very 2nd rate . God Save the Queen

 

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Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on :
 
My evening was made last night watching the replays down here with ABC of the frantic conductor and the choir, dripping with water, out in the rain, hair hanging limply and singing Land of Hope and Glory. Then a few minutes later, Rule Britannia and the anthem.

Lots of pomp and circumstance done well. Oh, that's not a new phrase?
 

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Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
"The University Hospital of South Manchester commissioned a sculptor to produce a beacon made of recycled hospital beds which resembles a giant stylised crown measuring 5ft wide, with towering spikes more than 12ft high."

It's not quite what I imagined a beacon would look like but I guess the definition has stretched a little since those days of brushwood pyres.

Having missed all the fun of the lighting of the beacon I can only say I wish I hadn't. What a spectacular finale that was. The fireworks must have been visible for miles.
 

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Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
I think I heard the fireworks for one of the nearby beacons, but if so it was 6 miles away. Wandering down to the fields to catch the sunset last night there was the bizarre experience of standing in greenery with a cuckoo, blackbirds, robins et al singing away, a street party off to the north (which is the one I suspect was 6 miles away) and one to the south. I could have headed to one of the beacon lighting dos complete with hog roast, but it didn't decide to stop raining until 7pm.

I'll take my grumps about the street parties to Hell.
 

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Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 

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I felt quite worried about the Queen standing that length of time.

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Yes, I thought particularly of that when I heard that trains from Birmingham to London yesterday morning were packed to full capacity on leaving Birmingham, which meant crowds waiting at later stations didn't manage to get on. It's quite a long way to have to stand.

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"The University Hospital of South Manchester commissioned a sculptor to produce a beacon made of recycled hospital beds which resembles a giant stylised crown measuring 5ft wide, with towering spikes more than 12ft high."

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Missed the river pageant? See all the boats in 3 minutes with the BBc's timelapse photography.

(Some of it looks more like the Dodgems than a flotilla.)

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I would rather watch paint dry.

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Well, aren't you incredibly fortunate to live in a country where you have the choice? Think North Korea, leo, where like it or lump it, you'd be out there with the other proles, 'weeping' with joy over the semi-divine What's-his-face and vowing to give your life's blood to show your gratitude at being allowed to breathe - at the butt-end of a military rifle.

Not even Henry VIII was so effective as some modern-day State-Heads in managing to jail and intimidate everybody who spoke against the King's majesty - and by golly he certainly tried .
 

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Posted by Rosa Winkel (# 11424) on :
 
Indeed. Just like here in Poland, where we don't have a monarchy and are in daily thrall to the president.

To be serious, you serve up a false dichotomy between monarchy or dictatorship.

Subservience to authority is the issue. Here people can be quite fawning over whoever is the president. Being pro-democratically elected heads of state (or being anti-state ) can involve being being critical of those we elect. Germans tend to manage that (though not yet with the present president there).

Nationalistic ejaculations about "we are better than them there foreigners" aside (to make this post more Heavenish), it's good to see glorious indifference to the festivities among large swathes of people in Britain. In any case, there's only one Queen I recognise, and that involves a moustachoed-man prancing about on a stage.
 

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Posted by St. Gwladys (# 14504) on :
 
i't think much of the concert - I'm afraid age hasn't been kind to Cliff, Elton or Shirley, though I did enjoy the flamenco version of "Delilah" from Tom Jones.Jools Holland was good, as was Lang Lang.
 

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Posted by justlooking (# 12079) on :
 
Paul McCartney would look a lot better if he didn't try so hard - that hair is just not believable. Tom Jones has the right idea in not hiding the grey.

Lovely outfits from the Queen - all appropriately sparkly for her diamond celebration.
 

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Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 
The highlight for me was Alfie Boe turning O Sole Mio into It's Now Or Never. Turning opera into a crowd pleaser takes some doing.

Low point was the performance of talent show judges Cheryl Cole and will.i.am. If you can't do better than that you shouldn't be judging talent.

Oh...

...and the Archbishop of Canterbury singing along to Two Little Boys. Shame on you.
 

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Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :
 

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Indeed. Just like here in Poland, where we don't have a monarchy and are in daily thrall to the president.

To be serious, you serve up a false dichotomy between monarchy or dictatorship.

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Missed the river pageant? See all the boats in 3 minutes with the BBc's timelapse photography.

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I would rather watch paint dry.

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Well, aren't you incredibly fortunate to live in a country where you have the choice? Think North Korea, leo, where like it or lump it, you'd be out there with the other proles, 'weeping' with joy over the semi-divine What's-his-face and vowing to give your life's blood to show your gratitude at being allowed to breathe - at the butt-end of a military rifle.

Not even Henry VIII was so effective as some modern-day State-Heads in managing to jail and intimidate everybody who spoke against the King's majesty - and by golly he certainly tried .

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{tangent alert}

If she's still on the throne in ten years, what will they call the jubilee?

{/tangent alert}

Moo

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Paul McCartney would look a lot better if he didn't try so hard - that hair is just not believable. Tom Jones has the right idea in not hiding the grey.

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Prince Philip is in hospital now with a bladder infection. I'm sure the queen will miss him tonight and tomorrow.

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It's honestly not complicated. I'm saying we should be able to acknowledge that living in a democratic society, headed by a constitutional monarchy, has some advantages compared to some other national situations. There is nothing in that which prevents the criticism of such a society or such a constitution. Nor which prevents its people working towards reformation of that society or constitution, if the people have the will to do so.

Isn't that what Parliament has always done? Isn't that - at least in theory - why people go into politics and other forms of influential lobbying? Who knows, Rosa, when you start your reform party, I might well sign up to it!

And, leo, I'm not crediting the Queen, individually, with anything beyond the very specific things I have actually credited her with; the phenomena of bringing in shiploads of income to the British economy because of royalty tourism, and her own personal commitment to the nation. She, as an individual is not personally responsible for your freedom to say what you wish. Additionally, neither have I said that I think a country with a monarchy is better than one without one. Far from it, the USA is in so many ways a shining light of an example of a nation that needed to remove itself from historical empire and monarchy, in order to thrive. US citizens have every right to feel proud of their independence.

However, two points.

Firstly, she's a head of state who has done and is doing an incredible job, with integrity and ability. I think it's absolutely right that her nation celebrates her achievement. And my personal feeling is that it's niggardly to begrudge a bit of a knees-up on such an occasion.

And secondly, I do, as it happens, believe that Britain enjoys what status and privileged rights it does have, because for at least over 11 hundred years (in various guises) it has undergone a long, tortuous maturing process with emerging aristrocratic military and political elites tempered inevitably by the increasingly powerful dissenting, democratizing commons. To my mind, that's just a matter of historical fact. So our personal freedoms of today are intrinsically a result of that extremely long-term tension and negotiating process.

So, if we seriously wish, in future, to option out the royals, the question is not whether royalty as a concept is 'right' or 'wrong'. To my mind, it is actually entirely neutral, as a concept. Good and bad, the nation is what it is as much because of the effect of aristocracy, as of the commons. The question is: what's the future; if we want to get there without royalty, how can we do that without doing harm to the fabric of the nation?

Prune and weed the plant, by all means, of its dead wood - but leave it healthier and more fruitful, otherwise leave the axe at home.

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Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :
 
Sorry, Zappa. I missed your host's post!! Feel free to delete my post.
 

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Posted by Banner Lady (# 10505) on :
 
Given that the BBC have now had thousands of complaints about the inane and vacuous commentary that accompanied the photography of the river pageant; perhaps they will release a video of it with a more informative overdub. I sincerely hope so. I was of the understanding that every complaint received by a tv station represents 100 unhappy viewers who grumble without e-mailing or phoning. That means 250,000 disgruntled viewers so far.

Do you think that's enough to make them attempt a better edited overview?
 

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Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 

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Given that the BBC have now had thousands of complaints about the inane and vacuous commentary that accompanied the photography of the river pageant; perhaps they will release a video of it with a more informative overdub

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'If this is what they give me I don't think I'll do any more Jubilees'.
 

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Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 
Or she could be looking forward to the Platinum Jubilee in 2027
 

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Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 

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Platinum is 70; 75 is Diamond again.

I wouldn't be surprised if she made her Diamond again, as that would put her at her Mummy's age.
 

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Posted by justlooking (# 12079) on :
 
The leftover souvenir crap might come in handy then.
 

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Posted by Sir Pellinore (ret'd) (# 12163) on :
 
I think the Queen deserves a medal for the long innings she's had and not a crappy souvenir one at that.

Australian Republicans are resigned to the fact that there's no hope till her reign ends.

I am beginning, despite ties of blood, family and sentiment to believe we need to prepare for the inevitable when that happens. For the smooth, well prepared transition to a republic.
 

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Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 

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Originally posted by Sir Pellinore (ret'd):
I think the Queen deserves a medal for the long innings she's had and not a crappy souvenir one at that.

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Save that for 11th September 2015 when Her Royal Maj will have beaten Victoria's record as longest reigning British Monarch. (And any of those places in the Commonwealth/Empire where she is also head of state.)

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Originally posted by Sir Pellinore (ret'd):
I think the Queen deserves a medal for the long innings she's had and not a crappy souvenir one at that.

Australian Republicans are resigned to the fact that there's no hope till her reign ends.

I am beginning, despite ties of blood, family and sentiment to believe we need to prepare for the inevitable when that happens. For the smooth, well prepared transition to a republic.

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Charles isn't anywhere near as well regarded as his mother and that could give many of those Commonwealth nations which still regard the King or Queen as head of state the impetus to change.

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Most Commonwealth countries do not have HM as queen, so that doesn't stop them being part of the Commonwealth. Trading arrangements could still stand.

As for Charles, the monarchy has survived some pretty dire kings in the past, so even if he were to be a bad king there's no reason the monarchy as an institution should be threatened. I can see no reason why Charles should be a bad king, just different in style to his mother.
 

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Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
I seem to remember from my history lessons that Victoria's son, Albert Edward, was regarded as a lightweight ( ) time-wasting party-goer. His reign was also short. But to the surprise of many, he did well. Not his mother at all, but well-regarded.

And just to show that it is not just short reigned monarch who garner disrespect, the Queen's grandfather was once described as "someone who, for the first 45 years of his life, did nothing but stick stamps in books and shoot thousands of birds"

He also did quite well.

Forgetting the disaster of the Dook of Windsor, his brother, Albert, was considered by some to be unfit for monarchy because of his stutter.

He did very well, indeed.

So don't be so quick to dismiss Charles.
 

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Posted by justlooking (# 12079) on :
 
And William's shaping up nicely.
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
Yesterday's first reading from the lectionary (1 Samuel 8:4-25) was apt:

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the thing displeased Samuel when they said, ‘Give us a king to govern us.’ ..... the Lord said to Samuel, ‘Listen to the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them .... These will be the ways of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen...and you shall be his slaves. And in that day you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves; but the Lord will not answer you in that day.’

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And Zadok the Priest took an horn of oil out of the tabernacle, and anointed Solomon. And they blew the trumpet; and all the people said, God save king Solomon. And all the people came up after him, and the people piped with pipes, and rejoiced with great joy, so that the earth rent with the sound of them.

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