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orfeo
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Right that's it, I've fucking had it with this thread.
I've had it with the insinuations of heresy, or flat out declarations of such.
I've had it with the binary thinking that means that anyone who disagrees with Calvinism on all points is obviously opposed to every single point of Calvinism - and of course a heretic.
I've DEFINITELY had it with the politician-like skill of answering a different question from the one that someone fucking well asked you - ANYONE asked you, not just me.
I gather you've studied some philosophy. Obviously what they teach you in philosophy is to pull ideas out of your arse like it's a magic hat, so that you can shoot down ideas that no-one actually proposed and shift from one definition of a word to another to avoid any discussion of what the fuck you actually MEAN, on the occasions when we can muster up the courage to care whether there's anything rational going on in that ugly little head of yours.
I'm trying to decide what takes the cake, but it's hard to go past your accusation of Pelagianism when I said that Jesus Christ was a human being without sin. I mean, what the FUCK?! So which bit of that was wrong according to orthodox Christian thought, arsehole? The bit where Jesus Christ was a human being, or the bit where he was sinless?
You're a total moron. An incredibly well-educated moron, I'll grant you, but having a "conversation" with you still turns into a chore where getting a lick of sense is some kind of victory.
You have no NUANCE, man. Don't they teach fucking nuance in philosophy? Has the word 'spectrum' ever been introduced to you? Have you ever heard of independent variables? You know, the kind where a change in one doesn't automatically create a kind in the other?
I'm fucking sick of the "oh, if you don't believe A then you must believe B and C and D and so that makes you a heretic". No it fucking well doesn't. It means I'm someone who doesn't believe A. And unless A appears in the fucking Nicene fucking Creed you don't get to fucking call me a heretic. Not when you subscribe to a view that's on one end of a broad spectrum (oh, that word again, perhaps you need to look it up) of recognised Christian belief, and when I'm probably actually closer to your end of the spectrum than millions of other Christians in some very, very large churches.
Just shut the fuck up until you learn to recognise that it's not everybody's job to either agree with you on everything or be a heretic. For fuck's sake.
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Ricardus
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I'm not a Calvinist and I find Zach dismissive and abrasive on almost any topic.
However, if, every time my beliefs about God were discussed on the Ship, a whole crowd of posters turned up to say, without supporting argumentation, that they made God a monster, that they proved I turned theology into a black-and-white inhuman iron logic -- then I don't think I'd be terribly receptive to the opposite position either.
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Zach82
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Gee wiz, Orfeo, have you tried just getting the fuck over it? It's not like arguing with you is a walk in the park either. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
[ 20. July 2012, 15:35: Message edited by: Zach82 ]
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Zach82:
Gee wiz, Orfeo, have you tried just getting the fuck over it? It's not like arguing with you is a walk in the park either.
Yeah, that must be why I'm a heretic.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Ricardus:
then I don't think I'd be terribly receptive to the opposite position either.
The entire problem is that he thinks the only alternative IS opposite. He's so convinced that the only way to disagree with X+Y+Z is to agree with not-X, not-Y and not-Z, he can't grasp that there are 8 combinations available rather than just 2.
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Marvin the Martian
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Zach's been called to Hell?
At least that means he's unlikely to pop up to say it's the worst Hell call ever. He does that on every other Hell call these days...
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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Oh good, the ignorant moron called orfeo has called himself to Hell.
orfeo, you're a pedantic prick.
Your hard-on against Calvinism is both insulting, ill-founded and based on caricature. In your most recent ejaculation on the Calvinism thread, you posted this joy spot:
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You are far, far too ready to imply heresy the second that someone doesn't agree with you. Are Lutherans heretics because they don't believe in Irresistible Grace? Is Wesley a heretic, and all the Methodists? That's clearly the one of those 5 'points' that us "heretics" have the biggest difficulty with, and it may stun you to discover that Lutherans and Methodists are not widely listed as among the heretical churches out of communion with the 'orthodox' ones.
All Methodists? Have you gone for a walk lately? Did you remember to take your eyes with you? If so, you would have seen that in Australia the Methodist Church is now part of the Uniting Church of Australia, who, wonder of wonders, hold the Westminster Confession as a subordinate standard.
Somehow is seems beyond your puny little brain to accept that the whole Calvinism/Arminianism thing isn't such a dichotomy after all. No, you just prefer to deal in stereotypes and straw men.
In the meantime, spare us your painfully stupid wanking on the Calvinism thread.
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Zach82
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Zach's been called to Hell?
At least that means he's unlikely to pop up to say it's the worst Hell call ever. He does that on every other Hell call these days...
Name the last time.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Zach82:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Zach's been called to Hell?
At least that means he's unlikely to pop up to say it's the worst Hell call ever. He does that on every other Hell call these days...
Name the last time.
Here. Or here. This ain't exactly saying it's the best.
You've been popping up on other people's hell calls to say how crap you think they are quite a bit lately.
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Zach82
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For someone who pitches such mighty tantrums at my inability to really grasp his position, I have to wonder how cogent a explanation Orfeo could give of Calvin's or mine.
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Zach82
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You've been popping up on other people's hell calls to say how crap you think they are quite a bit lately.
You're right. I repent for thinking that internet rage is pathetic and should be gotten over and lives should be gotten instead of posting hell calls.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Zach82:
Gee wiz, Orfeo, have you tried just getting the fuck over it? It's not like arguing with you is a walk in the park either.
Thanks for answering orfeo's OP.
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Boat Boy
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Originally posted by Zach82:
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You've been popping up on other people's hell calls to say how crap you think they are quite a bit lately.
You're right. I repent for thinking that internet rage is pathetic and should be gotten over and lives should be gotten instead of posting hell calls.
Gosh, you do get very angry about things for someone who keeps telling everyone else to 'get over it'.
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Zach82
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Naturally I only get heated up about worthwhile things.
I'll give Orfeo one thing- I don't answer lots of questions. It's because the other Calvinists have lives, so I was holding up that end by myself against 4 or 5 people accusing me of being a vicious, awful, non-Christian monster, and I kept myself busy enough working out only the questions I found interesting.
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Oh good, the ignorant moron called orfeo has called himself to Hell.
orfeo, you're a pedantic prick.
Your hard-on against Calvinism is both insulting, ill-founded and based on caricature. In your most recent ejaculation on the Calvinism thread, you posted this joy spot:
SBK, lovely! Sexual imagery when discussing Calvinism.
![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif) ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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Zach, I think you need a bit of distance on this issue. I don't think (but I could be wrong) that anyone has called you vicious, or awful, or non-Christian, let alone a monster. If they had, I would have expected Hostly warnings left, right and centre. Disagreeing with, even disliking, Calvinism is not the same as attacking you personally.
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Jahlove
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Zach, I has a lovely lyre-shaped handbag embroidered with My Little Pink One-Trick Pony - wanna borrow it?
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Boat Boy
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
Zach, I think you need a bit of distance on this issue. I don't think (but I could be wrong) that anyone has called you vicious, or awful, or non-Christian, let alone a monster. If they had, I would have expected Hostly warnings left, right and centre. Disagreeing with, even disliking, Calvinism is not the same as attacking you personally.
No, but Zach called me vicious, idiotic and all sorts of other similarly nasty things, but because he apologised to the hosts for starting the conversation (not for the unsults...) he wasn't warned.
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Robert Armin
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I know he thought I had insulted him, when I don't think I did. If I did I'm happy to apologise as I know I didn't mean to.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Boat Boy:
Zach called me vicious, idiotic and all sorts of other similarly nasty things, but because he apologised to the hosts for starting the conversation (not for the unsults...) he wasn't warned.
Because the host wasn't stupid enough to warn him for something he'd already recognized was out of line your panties are still in a twist? The host acknowledged the apology in an official post. That's all she should have done.
Grab your smelling salts and go lie down with a cool hankie on your forehead.
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Boat Boy
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He didn't apologise to me for the rudeness, just to the hosts for starting the conversation. Why would it be 'stupid' of a host to warn him not to make personal attacks?
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Zach82
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Oh Lord. Won't someone please just avenge Boat Boy's honor? He's been crying tears of rage into his pillow and demanding satisfaction for days now.
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Boat Boy
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Again Zach, you seem to be much more angry and provocative than those you accuse of such things.
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Jahlove
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<puts pink My Little One-Trick Pony handbag up on e-bay> ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Zach82
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Originally posted by Jahlove:
<puts pink My Little One-Trick Pony handbag up on e-bay>
It may be the time for it. This "Brony" fad isn't going to last forever.
Look it up. IT'S A THING!
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RuthW
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Boat Boy, you haven't apologized for any of your rudeness.
And, since you can't figure it out, it would be stupid for a host to warn someone who had already owned up to doing something wrong because they've already made it clear that they know they were wrong. If you want to bitch about it any more, go to the Styx.
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Boat Boy
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Originally posted by RuthW:
Boat Boy, you haven't apologized for any of your rudeness.
And, since you can't figure it out, it would be stupid for a host to warn someone who had already owned up to doing something wrong because they've already made it clear that they know they were wrong. If you want to bitch about it any more, go to the Styx.
I'd be grateful if you could point out where I've been rude, particularly to the same degree as that already mentioned.
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Jahlove
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borrowing a phrase from another thread:
*Hell, not dissertation* - look it up yerself
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Boat Boy:
I'd be grateful ... [/QB]
Yeah, right.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Boat Boy:
... but because he apologised to the hosts for starting the conversation (not for the unsults...) he wasn't warned.
Behold! We have a new word!
Unsult, n. a failed insult.
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Jahlove
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Boat Boy:
... but because he apologised to the hosts for starting the conversation (not for the unsults...) he wasn't warned.
Behold! We have a new word!
Unsult, n. a failed insult.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Zach82:
For someone who pitches such mighty tantrums at my inability to really grasp his position, I have to wonder how cogent a explanation Orfeo could give of Calvin's or mine.
I propose a new Purg rule: an Imago mirroring statement must precede any counterargument made by any party.
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Zach82
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I propose a new Purg rule: an Imago mirroring statement must precede any counterargument made by any party.
That's actually not such a terrible idea, if'n you really think about.
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Kelly Alves
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The entire world would be a much better place if everyone practiced Imago, all the time.
(sits back and awaits reaming.)
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Zach82
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Silly rabbit. The world only always gets worse.
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*flaunts ignorance* what is an imago mirror statement ?
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There are a lot of wankers on this thread. Sober Preacher's Kid is a wanker because whenever this issue comes up he starts wanking on about his particular merged Calvinistic/Methodistic/Autistic church that nobody else has ever heard of apart from him.
If he rants on again about how his merged pan-Reformed/Pan-Methodist presby-congy-whatever-else-it-is church of Outer Wanksville Manitoba or wherever it is and its sister church in Where-the-Fuck's-that-a-dinga-linga-dongagong, Western Australia is the most balanced, righteous and biblically correct of all extent churches on God's good earth then I'll apostasise and join the National Secular Society.
No-one gives a flying fart about your church apart from you Drunken Preacher's Brat.
As for Zach82, he's not even a human being, he's an automaton. I expect he's some kind of computer programme somewhere.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
The entire world would be a much better place if everyone practiced Imago, all the time.
That shit could turn the mildest man into a Dalek...
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Originally posted by RuthW:
quote:
Originally posted by Boat Boy:
I'd be grateful ...
Yeah, right. [/QB]
Well done, incisive argument...
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What a cowardly view you're pedaling on that thread, Gamaliel. Whenever the Scriptures propose a hard truth or a hard choice you just write it off as a mystery to get out of it. Even worse, you pretend this cowardice and intellectual sloppiness is the profoundest piety. You throw up a smokescreen of "tension" when your flaccid views rob the Gospel of every tension.
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Bollocks.
There's nothing flaccid about my view at all.
If anything's flaccid around here it's your cock because it's been worn out by too much wanking.
You know as well as I do that there is more than one way of interpreting the scriptures and that some issues are not as clear-cut as you would have us believe.
I don't have any problem with the 'hard' passages of scripture at all. I just believe that they are more nuanced than binary, computer-programme brains like yours are capable of appreciating.
You are a wanker and have a floppy cock.
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“The matter is quite simple. The Bible is very easy to understand. But we Christians are a bunch of scheming swindlers. We pretend to be unable to understand it because we know very well that the minute we understand we are obliged to act accordingly. Take any words in the New Testament and forget everything except pledging yourself to act accordingly. My God, you will say, if I do that my whole life will be ruined. Herein lies the real place of Christian scholarship. Christian scholarship is the Church’s prodigious invention to defend itself against the Bible, to ensure that we can continue to be good Christians without the Bible coming too close. Dreadful it is to fall into the hands of the living God. Yes, it is even dreadful to be alone with the New Testament.” Soren Kierkegaard
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Right that's it, I've fucking had it with this thread.
That was 20th July at 4.13pm in my time zone.
Now let us look at the thread linked to...
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Originally posted by orfeo:
That was 4:20 same day.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
4:33
Have you had it with that thread on not?
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
There are a lot of wankers on this thread. Sober Preacher's Kid is a wanker because whenever this issue comes up he starts wanking on about his particular merged Calvinistic/Methodistic/Autistic church that nobody else has ever heard of apart from him.
If he rants on again about how his merged pan-Reformed/Pan-Methodist presby-congy-whatever-else-it-is church of Outer Wanksville Manitoba or wherever it is and its sister church in Where-the-Fuck's-that-a-dinga-linga-dongagong, Western Australia is the most balanced, righteous and biblically correct of all extent churches on God's good earth then I'll apostasise and join the National Secular Society.
No-one gives a flying fart about your church apart from you Drunken Preacher's Brat.
As for Zach82, he's not even a human being, he's an automaton. I expect he's some kind of computer programme somewhere.
That all you got? John Calvin's Beard but that was a lame retort.
Given that you are a such practiced wind-up merchant, Gamaliel, you must rent yourself out to guard the 18th Hole at the local mini-putt course. But after that impotent attempt at an attack, perhaps you'd better get your bearings looked at. The rust seems to have spread from your brain to your shoulders.
Now go fuck off and die under a bridge somewhere like the good little troll we all know you are.
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Sober Preacher's Kid is a wanker because whenever this issue comes up he starts wanking on about his particular merged Calvinistic/Methodistic/Autistic church that nobody else has ever heard of apart from him.
If he rants on again about how his merged pan-Reformed/Pan-Methodist presby-congy-whatever-else-it-is church of Outer Wanksville Manitoba or wherever it is
Flap your scrotum in some other breeze bushwhacker. The United Church of Canada is the largest protestant church by numbers in Canada.
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Have you had it with that thread on not?
I gather idiomatic English is not your native language.
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Oh good, the ignorant moron called orfeo has called himself to Hell.
orfeo, you're a pedantic prick.
Your hard-on against Calvinism is both insulting, ill-founded and based on caricature. In your most recent ejaculation on the Calvinism thread, you posted this joy spot:
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You are far, far too ready to imply heresy the second that someone doesn't agree with you. Are Lutherans heretics because they don't believe in Irresistible Grace? Is Wesley a heretic, and all the Methodists? That's clearly the one of those 5 'points' that us "heretics" have the biggest difficulty with, and it may stun you to discover that Lutherans and Methodists are not widely listed as among the heretical churches out of communion with the 'orthodox' ones.
All Methodists? Have you gone for a walk lately? Did you remember to take your eyes with you? If so, you would have seen that in Australia the Methodist Church is now part of the Uniting Church of Australia, who, wonder of wonders, hold the Westminster Confession as a subordinate standard.
Somehow is seems beyond your puny little brain to accept that the whole Calvinism/Arminianism thing isn't such a dichotomy after all. No, you just prefer to deal in stereotypes and straw men.
In the meantime, spare us your painfully stupid wanking on the Calvinism thread.
LOL. Really. This literally made me laugh out loud.
Because the entire point is that I didn't suggest Calvinism was heresy!
For God's sake, learn to read. Not once have I said Zach is a heretic. I just think he's a completely ridiculous arsehole for labelling other people as heretics when they don't agree with him. Because the list of people who don't agree with him includes Lutherans and Wesley.
Calvinism and Arminianism are dichotomies in the sense that one was specifically formulated as a reaction to the other and in opposition to the other. That doesn't mean that either requires the label of heresy. That was the whole fucking point. Although I gather the Calvinists did indeed label the Arminians as heretics at Dort, so I suppose that Zach82 is merely following tradition... not that I'm necessarily an Arminian.
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I called you a Pelagian for asserting that humans are free to accept salvation. Which simply is the heresy of Pelagianism. It also so happens that both Wesley and Luther (and Saint Paul and Augustine and Aquinas) agree with me on that- they all alike insist that mankind is NOT free to accept salvation, for that is the grace of God.
You could have just clarified yourself to a non-pelagian position, but I suppose your little temper-tantrum is more existentially satisfying. Heck, you could start tossing the dick insults like Gamaliel.
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I called you a Pelagian for asserting that humans are free to accept salvation. Which simply is the heresy of Pelagianism.
Then what the FUCK is your definition of Arminianism??
I don't even know what you mean by "free to accept salvation". Because all I ever fucking said to you was that I don't accept irresistible grace. And neither do Lutherans. Unless you're telling me that Wikipedia is wrong when it describes irresistible grace as especially associated with Calvinism and specifically states that the Lutheran position is resistible grace.
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