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shamwari
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Brilliant for anybody who lives in UK

Far too parochial ( and therefore unintelligible) for a global audience.

What would the Chinese and Outer Mongolians have made of the Mr Bean slot?

Who was this aimed at?

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shamwari
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What was this all about?

The opening made sense ( even if excellent sense) to Brits. What did the Chinese and Outer Mongolians make of the Mr Bean slot?

Far too parochial. But we might have expected that.

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Oooooooooooooops

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Personally I don't like Mr Bean, but he has been successful all over the world. Just like Benny Hill was - that sort of visual humour travels well.

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Mr. Bean is in the opening ceremony? I may just have to watch in three hours (USA central time.)
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We're watching in the Ship's Cafe - abide with us, please. [Smile]

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Robert Armin

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However I have just been puzzled by a violent dance going alongside a very peaceful rendition of "Abide With Me". Overall all of this reminds me of a Matt Smith episode of Doctor Who - some striking moments but rather confusing as a whole.

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it was a celebration of UK-ness - left out a lot of our history e.g. Henry VII, EIR, Agincourt etc. but was interesting that it didn't gloss, in fact brought out, the demise of our manufacturing industries. Got a bit daft about 1.5 hrs in but the first part almost had me welling up. Well done, Danny Boyle.

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Wesley J

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The musical hits part was much too long - liked the history part at the beginning. The transformation from rural Britain to the industrial revolution was quite spectacular. After that, it went a bit downhill I thought. Perhaps with the exception of the Mary Poppinses scene with all the kids.

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Robert Armin

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A commentator has said that this is the latest opening ceremony ever. Why? A lot of UK athletes aren't going to be there as they have to compete tomorrow, which really sounds mad.

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I've got a mild ale in the fridge to be enjoyed with the opening ceremony. Sounds like I will be drinking the right thing.

As the games continue, feel free to join us down in the Circus for more sporting and TV spectacle related discussion

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It's much better than I was expecting it to be.
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Wesley J

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Mr Boyle (now, if a certain Frankie Boyle had done the opening ...!) seems to have insisted on it starting when it's completely dark - thus after 9pm.

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I once sent my East German penpal a video of Mr Bean. He thought it was the funniest thing he'd ever seen. But yes, some of the refs are too local (am I supposed to know who Frankie and June were, because I don't).

Loved the bit with the Queen apparently parachuting in! And the drummers were great. Not so sure about the hospital beds scene, inappropriately dark for an opening ceremony, surely.

The whole thing did start to become a bit overblown - a seemingly endless stream of frenetic dancers and music, to the point where I was relieved to be at home and could wander off instead of having to sit through it all. Now we're having the seemingly endless procession of athletes and it'll be a loooong time before they get to the end - somewhere well after midnight I bet.

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I want a frock like the Cameroonians.
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The Frankie and June reference flummoxed me too.
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Before dark would mess up light effects.

Who says it was anything to do with the atheletes tonight??

As for content I just commented on the localism on FB and that even as a Brit I missed references, however I do recall Sydney 2000 opening ceremony including a display of twirling washing lines - celebrating the hillman hoist which you had to have been in the country to comprehend.

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And WHY are the Czechs wearing white sorts and blue wellies?

(These posts might be better suited to the Cafe, but the iPad won't access it).

On the OP - why should the opening ceremony's opaqueness to the Outer Mongolians be a problem? I suspect, were Ulan Bator to host the Games, some parts of the proceedings might be a bit obscure to us. The object is to big up your nation on two fronts; what is unique to it, and what it has contributed to world culture - obviously hoping for a lot of crossover between the two.

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What do you all make to the music choices?
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quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
It's much better than I was expecting it to be.

Ditto, and I tend to be cynical about such stuff.

Re the dance with Abide with Me - I think the dance was intended to represent a pulse, and also the violence of the deaths in the 7/7 bombing plus some kind of resolution.

I thought it was a beautiful section, and a surprisingly thoughtful inclusion.

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Talking of inclusion - they seem to have tried hard with that. (Also, I loved the parachuting queen.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Think²:
(Also, I loved the parachuting queen.)

She does all her own stunts you know.
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quote:
Originally posted by Think²:
quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
It's much better than I was expecting it to be.

Ditto, and I tend to be cynical about such stuff.

Ditto, but I still thought it was pretty awful. Bejing was quite beautiful and impressive, this seemed to involve a lot of faffing around and pointless puff.

Rowan Atkinson did make me laugh, mostly because I've played viola parts that have made me identify with that sentiment!

Where on earth did Team GB get those awful tracksuits? They're truly chavtastic [Eek!]

How are all those people going to get Tubes home - it's quarter to 1 in the morning, surely most of them'll end up missing their last train home.

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Love what I've seen so far ('twas too early in the morning for me to see the whole thing). Waiting for a full rerun.

I love that the Olympics opening ceremonies contain what is unique about the host country's culture/sense of humour etc. Otherwise it'd just be a boring, homogenous sort of spectacle of fireworks and pop music. I'm all nostalgic for my British heritage now.

What were the British athletes wearing though, a bit Liberace wasn't it?

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The Olympic Flame lighting was spectacular.

Pity about Macca at the end ...

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Deliberately chavtastic I thought (the outfits, I mean).

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Shame about Macca forgetting the words to his own song and i'm not sure what the point of the Arctic Monkeys was.

Other than that, once you've accepted the parade is going to take ages, I thought it was brilliant, with the Queens 'entrance' being the highlight.

Hopefully Wiggins and Cavendish can get us off to a golden start tomorrow. [Smile]

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Good:

The Queen, Bond, and her Coagies. Cute and imaginative.

Mr. Bean's segment and his dream, along with the London Symphony.

The segment dedicated to the NHS, a possibly sly political jibe by Danny Boyle, as well as the segments to children literature.

What I didn't get:

The references to FB and Twitter in the musical segment for the 70s and 80s. It felt a little out-of-place. As well, the mini-story about the guy and the girl was not really needed.

No reference to Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.

No reference to William Shakespeare or John Milton, it seems that we went from picturesque English rural medieval land right to the Industrial Revolution with hardly a peep towards the Golden Age of the Tudors and the Stuarts. Well, I could understand why they didn't want to mention the English Civil War.
[Razz]

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I'm shocked, no reference to Shakespeare?

I'm watching on NBC now. I could do without the NBC commentators helpful quips. Oh, ya'll really call it "telly" over there? red poppies associated with WWI? who knew? It's really rather spoiling it for me.

I hope I haven't missed Mr Bean.

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Harry Potter was represented by the huge (how could you miss it?) puppet of Voldemort.

Shakespeare was represented by the speech made by Sir Kenneth Brannagh.

Keep up.

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quote:
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Harry Potter was represented by the huge (how could you miss it?) puppet of Voldemort.

Shakespeare was represented by the speech made by Sir Kenneth Brannagh.

Keep up.

Stand corrected, I forgot about Voldemort. I also didn't see the speech by Branagh, though I would say that a small speech doesn't give justice to Shakespeare's legacy, considering that William Blake's Jerusalem got more airtime.

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It was all a political statement and portrayed British social and economic history from before enclosure through the Industrial
Revolution. It portrayed the Jarrow Marches and the Suffragist movement among many other things. That's what I liked most about it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Avila:

As for content I just commented on the localism on FB and that even as a Brit I missed references, however I do recall Sydney 2000 opening ceremony including a display of twirling washing lines - celebrating the hillman hoist which you had to have been in the country to comprehend.

Quite, the Sydney opening ceremony had LOTS of in-jokes, trying to celebrate our
larrikinism , apparently Danny Boyle was doing something a bit similar with British humour, trying to make the games friendly, like Sydney. I think it worked, but I would say that, cos I "get" many British jokes and references.

Oh and it's the Hills Hoist, fancy misnaming one of Australia's cultural icons, I'm outraged, please show more respect in future [Devil]

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I thought it was quite good, all in all. Bond & the queen was a highlight, McCartney was horrid (though, in some sense, also that was very British, to let an old man stumble through his old tune, just because...).

I thought the spindly cauldron was an rather clever and aesthetically pleasing idea.

I would say that this was quite good in a distinctly British way. It was no Beijing. Good!

(TV director incredibly keeps the camera trained on the queen as she cleans her fingernails, clearly ignoring the proceedings. Commentator says something like "And the queen is also enjoying this immensely, I'm sure." How very British... in China, heads would roll. Literally.)

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Watching a rerun on TSN - they saw fit to chop out everything between Branagh and the forging of the Olympic rings and keep - gawdelpus - all of Sir Paul's "performance".

The children's choirs made me all weepy, as did Bradley Wiggins' sideburns, but for very different reasons. [Disappointed]

And any opening ceremony that features live sheep is by definition brilliant.

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quote:
Originally posted by Avila:
Before dark would mess up light effects.

Who says it was anything to do with the atheletes tonight??

As for content I just commented on the localism on FB and that even as a Brit I missed references, however I do recall Sydney 2000 opening ceremony including a display of twirling washing lines - celebrating the hillman hoist which you had to have been in the country to comprehend.

[pedantic aussie] Hills hoist, The hillman is a car I think [/pedantic aussie] About to watch with my daughter; it is her homework.

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Just to restate what has already been pointed out. [Roll Eyes]

Must read all the flaming thread before typing. sorry. puts self in time-out corner

[ 28. July 2012, 03:26: Message edited by: Patdys ]

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Bizarre and affectionate and surreal, watched from South Africa where 9.30pm was really late for the beginning of a lengthy ceremony. Very Mad Hatter's Tea Party and nothing at all to do with Olympics for the early part. But magnificent too in places --

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I am on the West Coast of the US. There s a time delay. Just saw the Mr Bean segment. I thought it was very funny, though my son, the musician could tell he was not playing the note.
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I didn't watch it all, but I reckon that the 1951 Festival of Britain (especially the Lion and the Unicorn pavilion, which celebrated British quirks and eccentricity) and the 1977 British Genius Exhibition were influences.

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I enjoyed the quirky bits, went to bed at 10pm and recorded the rest so that I can skim through. Like Ariel, I'm very glad I wasn't there - the noise would have done me in.

Those drummers' arms must have been dropping off by the end of the night!

Apparently the drums were just painted buckets - one drummer says he's going to plant a tree in hos as a momento.

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The Amosling and I watched the whole thing, and liked it all enormously, apart from the anti-climax of the Arctic Monkeys and Sir Paul Macartney. On one level it was a deliberate riposte to the Beijing opening ceremony, so if you adored the latter you'd be bound to be disappointed. This was not the kind of ceremony where a child who looked imperfect would be kept offstage. It celebrated individuality as well as diversity--not to mention eccentricity. There was Shakespeare--Branagh as Brunel, speaking Caliban's speech from 'The Tempest' to open the 'Dark Satanic Mills' section. Protest was celebrated, along with interracial marriage, the NHS, the World Wide Web (actual doctors, nurses, and yes, patients from Great Ormond Street Hospital. Sir Tim Berners-Lee). The Children's Literature section was unexpected and good. I liked the surreality, and the domesticity of the '70s and '80s music section. A London opening ceremony which gives us tributes to Queen, the Sex Pistols' 'God Save the Queen,' and then Her Majesty herself, with the national anthem sung by a choir of hearing and deaf children singing and signing (in their pyjamas!) is pretty remarkable. And not something you'd get in China. There were unavoidable longeurs--Seb Coe's tedious speech. There were unexpected pleasures--the Mexican team's outfits; Shami Chakrabarti and Ban Ki Moon carrying the Olympic flag. Sir Simon Rattle. The pretty cool cauldron being lit by young, as-yet unknown athletes. Mr Bean and James Bond aren't my cup of tea, but I enjoyed the performing corgis. It was worth staying up until the end.

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Watching at the moment after recording it this morning here in Oz. Taking a coffee break - ain't it great when you can do that! [Big Grin]

And can I just say, I find it hard to believe that anything is going to top the fact that they got the Queen to agree to the Bond thing.

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Eutychus
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Dug out a bit about the 'Lion and the Unicorn' pavilion from the Festival of Britain.

It was to
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house an exposition of what came most often to be referred to as the British character, with overtones of national traditions and achievements, though warlike achievements were strictly excluded... The Lion would stand for the more dependable traits in the national character, the Unicorn for the more volatile
I think the opening ceremony stands firmly in this tradition.

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Trisagion
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A couple of poster have commented on the absence of references to Shakespeare. The Brannagh/Brunel speech was from The Tempest. That just about summed up the undoubtedly impressive spectacle: Caliban's Britain.

The other thing that struck me was the almost complete absence of the one set of ideas and organising principles that both explain and, from Alban and Augustine onwards, provide the key to understanding Britain: Christianity.

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Trisagion
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A couple of poster have commented on the absence of references to Shakespeare. The Brannagh/Brunel speech was from The Tempest. That just about summed up the undoubtedly impressive spectacle: Caliban's Britain.

The other thing that struck me was the almost complete absence of the one set of ideas and organising principles that both explain and, from Alban and Augustine onwards, provide the key to understanding Britain: Christianity.

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I've never particularly been a fan of Paul McCartney post Beatles, but I must say Sir Paul was horrendous tonight. I've seen live TV shows with him in the past couple of years and he didn't sound anything like he did tonight. Even his "speaking" voice was bad. Perhaps he was ill?

I did love the lighting ceremony and the fireworks. While the Queen was great in going along with the Bond segment, I thought she wasn't up to par when pronouncing the games open in London. Very subpar.

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Amos

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How much religion is there generally at Olympic opening ceremonies, Trisagion? I'd expected none, and so was moved by both the Welsh children's choir singing 'Guide Me O Thou Great Redeemer,' and the wonderful solo of 'Abide With Me' to accompany the July 7 tribute. Not to mention 'Jerusalem,' which is Christian, albeit in a mystical Blakean way. That, I thought, was enough without the addition of the English Martyrs from St Alban onwards (though they could, I suppose have borrowed the giant puppets from the cathedral).

[ 28. July 2012, 07:44: Message edited by: Amos ]

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Ariel
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They were never going to do religion in a show like that, and if they did they would have had to add the Eastern religions as the whole theme was clearly multicultural. Whoever takes the Olympics on next is going to have a hard act to follow and a huge budget if they want to top that. This is all a bit of a gamble, but hopefully it will bring a feelgood factor and some decent revenue to the country.

I'm curious to know what was going on in the arena while we were getting the TV sequences (which were a bit dizzying at times).

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orfeo

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quote:
Originally posted by Trisagion:
The other thing that struck me was the almost complete absence of the one set of ideas and organising principles that both explain and, from Alban and Augustine onwards, provide the key to understanding Britain: Christianity.

Was the industrial revolution a specifically Christian innovation??

In any case, if you wanted to make it distinguishingly BRITISH, rather than just 'European', you'd have to be a great deal more specific about your Christianity. Perhaps a re-enactment of Henry VIII getting rid of his first wife, followed by him chopping off the head of number two, followed by some more general depiction of the fact that the trouble all this caused went on through the reigns of his children as well.

[ 28. July 2012, 08:00: Message edited by: orfeo ]

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