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Ok,so ++John Semantu seems to be the odds on favorite to become the next Archbishop of Canterbury. The African bishops seem to like him because they think of him as one of them, a fellow African. However, while Semantu was born in Ugunda, he fled the Idi Amin regime in 1974. He's spent 38 years in the UK, and his entire ministry career has been in the UK. I know that some conservatives hope, and some progressives fear, that he would dis-invite ECUSA from the Lambeth Conference, or only invite the Communion Partners bishops, thus allowing the GAFCON bishops to attend in good consince. Some people even seem to think that he would invite +Bob Duncan and the ACNA to Lambeth. I must say that I think that the last scenario extremely unlikely, since his name is on a report saying that the Church of England is not in communion with ACNA and doesn't want to be. While ++Semantu may be of african descent and hold more conservative personal openions on sexual morality then Rowan Williams, he really has no choice but to continue Rowan's policy of trying to bow twords Africa without mooning North America unless he wants a formal split in the Anglican Communion on his watch. In other words, I'm inclined to dismiss fears of his not recognizing ECUSA as unlikely - even if he wanted to, his hands are tied. He might, however, be able to get the GAFCON primates and the leadership of ECUSA back to the same table.
As an American Episcopalian I have focused on what ++Semantu would do differently as head of the Anglican Communion, but I'm also interested in what he would do differently as head of the Church of England. I assume that he would be pro-woman-bishops and pro-covenant. I have heard it suggested that he would be more aggressive in countering atheist public figures, demanding equal time from the BBC whenever they put Dawkins on, for example. He certainly, for good or for ill, seems to be much less posh then most Anglican bishops- I can't imagine ++Rowan writing for the Sun. Indeed, having read what ++Rowan writes, I don't think that he's capable of writing things Sun readers would understand.
Also, if he becomes Primate of All England, will ++Semantu finally invest in braces to correct the gap in his teeth?
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Also, if he becomes Primate of All England, will ++Semantu finally invest in braces to correct the gap in his teeth?
So sorry to pick on the trivial bit at the end - but why would he do that if he hasn't already?
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Indeed, having read what ++Rowan writes, I don't think that he's capable of writing things Sun readers would understand.
I'm sure he is. He's quite capable of talking to ordinary congregations in an accessible way, and relating to people of every background. I'm sure he wouldn't want to take Murdoch's shilling though.
BTW it's Sentamu not Semantu.
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Also, if he becomes Primate of All England, will ++Semantu finally invest in braces to correct the gap in his teeth?
So sorry to pick on the trivial bit at the end - but why would he do that if he hasn't already?
I think it was a joke.
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I'm sure he is. He's quite capable of talking to ordinary congregations in an accessible way, and relating to people of every background. I'm sure he wouldn't want to take Murdoch's shilling though.
He famously wrote to a six year old girl.
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He also spoke to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland this year.
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Reading your whole post, Try, I think it points out the tremendous cultural gap between ECUSA and the Church of England. Since the American Revolution I think they have certainly diverged.
I hope Sentamu doesn't become Archbishop of Canterbury because I think, at his age, he may not have all that much to contribute. I think they need to pick someone younger.
As far as the Archbishop of Canterbury attempting to be some sort of Head of the Anglican Communion, I would think, after what was done to ++ Williams, that attempt should be given up as a dead loss. The Communion isn't like that.
Americans seem to want to know an enormous amount about the personal life and likely stances of someone like this before he is appointed.
As an Australian with English relatives, I hope the English get a good ++ Canterbury. The effect on Australia will probably not be that great although Anglicanism here, given the demographic basis and joint history, is remarkably similar in many ways.
Various Provinces of the Communion seem to be diverging. I must say I would like England to keep its historic character.
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He also spoke to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland this year.
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Various Provinces of the Communion seem to be diverging. I must say I would like England to keep its historic character.
It seems to me that the CofE has more than one "historic character". If anything its major historical character has been that of having an argument. I don't think there is any likelihood of that ceasing any time soon.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Try:
Also, if he becomes Primate of All England, will ++Semantu finally invest in braces to correct the gap in his teeth?
So sorry to pick on the trivial bit at the end - but why would he do that if he hasn't already?
I think it was a joke.
Yes, it was a joke.
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He also spoke to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland this year.
As an Anglican, I have various prejudices about the Kirk, but thinking they are all Sun readers is not one of them.
Inncidentally at York Minster they pray for 2Sentamu our bishop" at his request. He was "John our bishop" in Stepney but I gather John was adopted for English use.
He wasn't as gay hostile as you might think.
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He wasn't as gay hostile as you might think.
How gay hostile was he?
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I would like to think that +Sentamu would:
(1) inject a bit more of the African 'gathered' model of church membership to really tackle the problem of social Anglicanism in the CofE
(2) make decisions, not talk & compromise endlessly
(3) not rate "unity" in Anglican Communion more important than faithfulness to doctrinal and moral orthodoxy
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I think he was good in London, where black men were treated badly at times, though, and he does seem to have good actions we see on TV and computer info. It would be really interesting to have him as ABC, IMO.
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(3) not rate "unity" in Anglican Communion more important than faithfulness to doctrinal and moral orthodoxy
Who gets to define this "moral orthodoxy"?
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Lyda - the sun's out for a few hours in London. I'll write when I've come in.
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(3) not rate "unity" in Anglican Communion more important than faithfulness to doctrinal and moral orthodoxy
Who gets to define this "moral orthodoxy"?
The usual suspects. But you knew that.
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(3) not rate "unity" in Anglican Communion more important than faithfulness to doctrinal and moral orthodoxy
Who gets to define this "moral orthodoxy"?
The usual suspects. But you knew that.
I just get tired of the various codewords for "should be more obnoxious to gay people and women". I think, regardless of the status of those two deceased equines, that the hatred expressed by some conservative provinces is far more of an issue than any excess of permissiveness by the liberal ones.
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When he visited Boston two years ago he preached in Episcopal churches. That might indicate that he considers us part of the fold or what have you- I don't know.
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For us non-english Lutherans, what, exactly, is anglican covenant thinking?
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The stated purpose of the Anglican Covenant is to ensure the unity of the Anglican Communion, but it is obviously a transparent ploy to get TEC and the ACC kicked out of the Communion. It failed in the CoE, so it's basically dead in the water now. But the game isn't over yet- to this day certain bishops are coming up with big new ideas to restructure the Communion which will make it possible to contract a divorce with us.
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The stated purpose of the Anglican Covenant is to ensure the unity of the Anglican Communion, but it is obviously a transparent ploy to get TEC and the ACC kicked out of the Communion. It failed in the CoE, so it's basically dead in the water now.
To be fair, kicking out anyone who disagrees with you is a very effective way of ensuring unity. It's just not very Anglican.
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The stated purpose of the Anglican Covenant is to ensure the unity of the Anglican Communion, but it is obviously a transparent ploy to get TEC and the ACC kicked out of the Communion. It failed in the CoE, so it's basically dead in the water now.
To be fair, kicking out anyone who disagrees with you is a very effective way of ensuring unity. It's just not very Anglican.
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what would Sentamu do differently than Rowan? Hopefully refuse the role of ABC.
Whilst Rowan has been dealing with issuesin the wider Anglican Communion, Sentamu has been able to develop his own ministry within the CofE. As aBC Sentamu would not be as effective in that ministry.
We need a manor woman as ABC we need someone with gifts of diplomacy. A diplomat in Canterbury would complement Sentamu in York, and I see that as the Anglican Church's strongest hand.
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(3) not rate "unity" in Anglican Communion more important than faithfulness to doctrinal and moral orthodoxy
Who gets to define this "moral orthodoxy"?
The Universal church, historic and contemporary. I don't see the problem with that unless one is authority-phobic ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
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Originally posted by Stick Monitor:
(3) not rate "unity" in Anglican Communion more important than faithfulness to doctrinal and moral orthodoxy
Who gets to define this "moral orthodoxy"?
The usual suspects. But you knew that.
I just get tired of the various codewords for "should be more obnoxious to gay people and women". I think, regardless of the status of those two deceased equines, that the hatred expressed by some conservative provinces is far more of an issue than any excess of permissiveness by the liberal ones.
Good Lord, it's only my sixth (?) post and you already know me well enough to brand me a homophobe. What a discerning, gracious person you are. BTW you are wrong in sooooo many ways.
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
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(3) not rate "unity" in Anglican Communion more important than faithfulness to doctrinal and moral orthodoxy
Who gets to define this "moral orthodoxy"?
The Universal church, historic and contemporary. I don't see the problem with that unless one is authority-phobic
Two problems. The church has historically made moral errors (slavery, crusades, inquisition, death penalty, subjugation of women), and what happens when the church cannot come to agreement, as is the situation we currently have?
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The stated purpose of the Anglican Covenant is to ensure the unity of the Anglican Communion, but it is obviously a transparent ploy to get TEC and the ACC kicked out of the Communion. It failed in the CoE, so it's basically dead in the water now.
To be fair, kicking out anyone who disagrees with you is a very effective way of ensuring unity. It's just not very Anglican.
So shouldn't Anglicanism change or should it be a doctrinal/moral-free-for-all?
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(3) not rate "unity" in Anglican Communion more important than faithfulness to doctrinal and moral orthodoxy
Who gets to define this "moral orthodoxy"?
The usual suspects. But you knew that.
Presumptuousness does not become you.
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The stated purpose of the Anglican Covenant is to ensure the unity of the Anglican Communion, but it is obviously a transparent ploy to get TEC and the ACC kicked out of the Communion. It failed in the CoE, so it's basically dead in the water now.
To be fair, kicking out anyone who disagrees with you is a very effective way of ensuring unity. It's just not very Anglican.
So shouldn't Anglicanism change or should it be a doctrinal/moral-free-for-all?
I think the oaths taken by clergy to uphold the ancient creeds and historic formularies are sufficient. There is room for diversity of opinion. If you want homogeneity, strict discipline and a lack of discussion, you'll find his Holiness in Rome.
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Anyway, apologies to Try for the bickering tangent. Sorry, but I couldn't just sit here and take their BS. Back to the topic now!
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The stated purpose of the Anglican Covenant is to ensure the unity of the Anglican Communion, but it is obviously a transparent ploy to get TEC and the ACC kicked out of the Communion. It failed in the CoE, so it's basically dead in the water now.
How different things look depending on where one is standing and what are the assumptions of ones culture.
Far from a transparent ploy to evict, to some of us, the Covenant looked like an attempt to persuade not just the US but some other provinces to consider others before acting unilaterally, that fitting in might be more Christian than insisting in doing ones own thing.
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I would like to think that +Sentamu would:
(1) inject a bit more of the African 'gathered' model of church membership to really tackle the problem of social Anglicanism in the CofE
![[Confused]](confused.gif) What do you mean by 'social Anglicanism'? If you're referring to Mattins followed by sherry followed by the Hunt then that is long dead in most places. If you mean the local church seen as the focus of community, for agnostics and Muslims as much as card-carrying Christians, well why is that a problem?
The C of E is not a sect and we don't want Archbishops who would turn it into one. Not that I suspect +Sentamu would do that.
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I would like to think that +Sentamu would:
(1) inject a bit more of the African 'gathered' model of church membership to really tackle the problem of social Anglicanism in the CofE
Jesus! I hope not! Don't we have institutions like the House Church Movement for those who want a conventicle of saints?!
Those people aren't 'social Anglicans'. They're normal English Christians who have a life.
For the OP: What would Sentamu do differently than Rowan if he were ABC? He would have even more photo-ops, and listen to fewer critics.
ETA: Angloid: Snap!
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Anyway, apologies to Try for the bickering tangent. Sorry, but I couldn't just sit here and take their BS. Back to the topic now!
I would appreciate you not sending me condescending emails in future. Keep your junior hosting to the board. If you use coded language to disguise your desire to impose your views on Anglicanism you can expect to be called on it.
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...He certainly, for good or for ill, seems to be much less posh then most Anglican bishops- I can't imagine ++Rowan writing for the Sun. Indeed, having read what ++Rowan writes, I don't think that he's capable of writing things Sun readers would understand.
Whilst the media often comments on +Rowan's academic background, it seems to be rarely noted that +Sentamu did a 2yr MPhil followed by a PhD from Cambridge on soteriology.
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After qualifying as a lawyer in Uganda of course.
+Sentamu is not posh in the sense of public school and Oxbridge like Archbishops have traditionally been. But nor was +Carey and (apart from the Oxbridge bit, and that's because he's clever) nor is +Rowan. +Runcie was middle class but Liverpudlian, which made a change.
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Originally posted by Zach82:
The stated purpose of the Anglican Covenant is to ensure the unity of the Anglican Communion, but it is obviously a transparent ploy to get TEC and the ACC kicked out of the Communion. It failed in the CoE, so it's basically dead in the water now.
To be fair, kicking out anyone who disagrees with you is a very effective way of ensuring unity. It's just not very Anglican.
So shouldn't Anglicanism change or should it be a doctrinal/moral-free-for-all?
I think the oaths taken by clergy to uphold the ancient creeds and historic formularies are sufficient. There is room for diversity of opinion. If you want homogeneity, strict discipline and a lack of discussion, you'll find his Holiness in Rome.
Hey, Arethose -- Stick's question was a false dilemma. He's just needling, just trying to get a rise out of you. I'd say: ignore him.
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Not an Anglican but in the circles I move in, Sentamu seems to be much better thought of than Williams was at the same stage.
I've seen him from afar on a couple of occasions and what I see impresses me a lot. I don't happen to think he's as publicity driven as some seem to make out, and I think it's time that we had an abc who as many people as possible in the Uk could relate to.
John S has been through some pretty hard stuff in his life and come out the other side - that must say something for a faith predicated on sacrifice. I think he's got somehting to say and give to ordinary people - and full marks for being a Sun columnist.
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... I think he's got somehting to say and give to ordinary people - and full marks for being a Sun columnist.
This is why IMO he's the best choice. He's well-known and well-regarded among the non-posh majority. I know some of the other ABC's haven't qualified as posh but most people wouldn't know.
I don't think his age matters, even if he had a relatively short time as ABC he could make an impact. I hope he'd continue writing in the populist press and use his popular appeal. He may be more directly challenging than Rowan and less likely to be misinterpreted by the press.
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It has been suggested that in a Ugandan context, Archbishop Sentamu is very posh indeed. But regard that as hearsay.
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The stated purpose of the Anglican Covenant is to ensure the unity of the Anglican Communion, but it is obviously a transparent ploy to get TEC and the ACC kicked out of the Communion. It failed in the CoE, so it's basically dead in the water now. But the game isn't over yet- to this day certain bishops are coming up with big new ideas to restructure the Communion which will make it possible to contract a divorce with us.
Actually, I think a de facto schism already exists between certain Provinces of the Communion, Zach. That would be Sydney and its allies and North America. Most other Provinces are not involved in this and would like to stay so, as is their right.
God forbid the Communion in toto come around to either, to my mind, extreme position. ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
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Thank you Stick Monitor and Sir Pellinor for the handy demonstration of the "Anglican Covenant Attitude" we were trying to explain. To sum "Give us the rope we need to hang you with."
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Thank you Stick Monitor and Sir Pellinor for the handy demonstration of the "Anglican Covenant Attitude" we were trying to explain. To sum "Give us the rope we need to hang you with."
That's exactly why those of us outside the Anglican church - but who love it nonetheless - are looking on in sadness and bemusement at why it has been allowed to continue without resolution for so long.
Ineveitably Williams' legacy will be tainted by such issues and the task of his successor will be made impossible by the same. Decide, act, deal with the fall out is the only way forward.
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I think the more interesting question will be how long it is before the commentators are saying "Come back, Rowan, all is forgiven"...
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How gay hostile is Archbishop Senatmu?
When he was Bishop of Stepney, I was in his area. He certainly supported and was in dialogue with the most obvious gay priest on General Synod and came to his church annually.
At the Lambeth Synod before last, there was a letter signed by various bishops taking what was to be the GAFCON line.
I was unfortunately a member of the London Diocesan Synod. We spent an entire evening discussing a motion brought by one evangelical lady to the effect that all priests in the diocese should accept the contents of this letter.
Bishop Sentamu had his turn at the microphone and with some excitement objects to the motion. He made the point he personally agreed with the contents of the letter and had himself signed it. However the motion was totally ridiculous: it was putting it on the level of the Apostle’s creed. I could have hugged him.
It may be irresponsible of me, but since that time I’ve never bothered much with church politics, all that energy just to argue something should be talked about, ignoring the complex issues involved. I know being gay and Christian are compatible. I just get on being both and hope that my life may be at times a better witness than any synodical arguments. Good on those who do so engage, though.
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Originally posted by venbede:
It has been suggested that in a Ugandan context, Archbishop Sentamu is very posh indeed. But regard that as hearsay.
Be that as it may, as ABY he's seen as classless. He has an egalitarian approach, as shown at his enthronement when everyone had the same picnic lunch, and it comes across as genuine. Rowan is also egalitarian and equally genuine I'm sure but this isn't widely communicated. It's not that he or any other possible ABC is at fault, it's that ++Sentamu has particular qualities that are needed now.
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Originally posted by Zach82:
Thank you Stick Monitor and Sir Pellinor for the handy demonstration of the "Anglican Covenant Attitude" we were trying to explain. To sum "Give us the rope we need to hang you with."
This would be a perfect example of the intellectual tunnel vision you seem to suffer from, Zach and for which orfeo called you to Hell.
You appear to be unable to see anyone else's position or the broad picture. Many in ECUSA, not necessarily some of the more PR savvy hierarchy, can.
Perhaps you should stick to discussing abstruse theological minutiae with those who so admire your nitpicking ability and leave broader issues to those with the ability to comprehend them?
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Pelly, I am not personally responsible for everything wrong in the Anglican Communion. Your pathetic little vendetta against me is literally years long. If you continue to air it outside of hell, I am going to issue an official complaint against you. It is not your job to declare where I can and cannot post.
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