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Posted by jacobsen (# 14998) on :
 
What brings home that realisation? For me it was:

You know you're middle aged when there's no one left who thinks of you as being young and daft.

Any other moments of truth, from any other stage of life?
 
Posted by Organ Builder (# 12478) on :
 
For me, it was when I needed special doctors for individual body parts--my knee doctor, my shoulder doctor...
 
Posted by basso (# 4228) on :
 
I was taking the train to San Francisco for a birthday lunch with my family (my 50th) when a sweet young thing stood up and offered me her seat.
 
Posted by The5thMary (# 12953) on :
 
... you used to leap out of bed, excited about the day and now, if you were to try to leap out of bed the end result would be you'd fall flat on your face and quite possibly have to take a trip to the emergency room! Sadly, my leaping days are loooooong past... [Frown]
 
Posted by Organ Builder (# 12478) on :
 
Not to bring the thread down too much, but another big wake-up call comes when you stand at the grave of your last remaining parent, and realize that YOU are now the generation facing death.

It was sobering.
 
Posted by tessaB (# 8533) on :
 
Driving to work on a frosty morning and seeing a young girl in a mini-skirt and a bum-freezer jacket exposing a large quantity of bare skin. Instead of envying her courage I thought 'ooh, she will get a chill'. That's when it hit ..... I have become my mother [Eek!]
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
You're standing in a church, the organ starts to play, and that is your child getting married.
 
Posted by the long ranger (# 17109) on :
 
The idea of a good night is going to bed early.
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
I've had many red flags in the past twenty years or so, but it was brought home to me again a few weeks back when my youngest niece turned forty
 
Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :
 
Getting accused of not listening when it is actually not hearing.

The analogue prostate exam becomes digital. (I'm not going to say anything further about that if you don't know what this means!)

Getting called an "older adult", and getting offered senior discounts.
 
Posted by Organ Builder (# 12478) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
The analogue prostate exam becomes digital. (I'm not going to say anything further about that if you don't know what this means!)
I know what it means. [Waterworks]
 
Posted by Jigsaw (# 11433) on :
 
In the UK, it's when you get a little package through the post - your very own bowel cancer screening kit. You get ready to have a poo, take the little wooden stick provided, smear a little bit of your ..
You can guess the rest, as you can about the digital prostate exam.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
When your doctor, your boss, and your president are all younger than you are.
 
Posted by bib (# 13074) on :
 
When your children ask you to tell them what you did in the olden days.
 
Posted by Dogwalker (# 14135) on :
 
You get down on the floor to play with a child, and realize you may be there permanently.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
I was in Byron Bay* some (many [Tear] ) years ago, arguably the capital of Oz-chic. People on every street corner hand out fliers to the night clubs - but not to me. [Waterworks]

* worksafe, just unless you work in an Islamic country.
 
Posted by piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
When your ... president [is] younger than you are.
It started with policemen. Then Members of Parliament. Now the Prime Minister* ... [Eek!]

I turned 50 and became a great-auntie this year, which seemed like a bit of a double whammy, then I read the other day that some researchers have decided that you're not actually middle-aged until you hit 55.

Another five years of wild youth for me! [Yipee]

For the record, your president is older than me. Just. [Big Grin]

* of the UK, anyway.

[ 26. September 2012, 00:02: Message edited by: piglet ]
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
when your bishop is younger than you are, and now there are threee cardinals younger.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by piglet:
some researchers have decided that you're not actually middle-aged until you hit 55.
Yay, party time. Except that i associate 'middle' with 'half' and I doubt I'll live to 110.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
I figured I looked really old when Daughter-Unit asked me if there were such things as mirrors when I was young.

The Middle Age realization struck when my mom told me she was shopping for a gift for a 50 year old. I wondered which of her friends it was. Many days later, I realized it was me.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
Then there was a time when daughter unit said, regarding a song from the late 80s, that it was "oldies." Noooooooooo!
 
Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :
 
My son keeps referring to that "old fashioned music." He means rock.
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
When you find your teenager going through your closet looking for something to wear to a costume party.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
My thunderbolt came when our store was assigned a new manager and she turned out to be the daughter of a gal with whom I went to middle school.
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
Your first action in the morning - and last at night - is to Take Your Pills.
 
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on :
 
The Queen comes to open a new University library and you were an undergraduate when her mother opened the previous library, now demolished to make way for the new one.

The previous library was cutting-edge thirty years ago.
 
Posted by dv (# 15714) on :
 
When SAGA starts bombarding your mailbox.
 
Posted by Lucrezia Spagliatoni Dayglo (# 16907) on :
 
...when you're standing in a queue and comment to the small 'boy' behind you that you never had dress up days when you were at school, only to find he was a genuine police man...
 
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on :
 
When buying a backscratcher to reach those places you can't otherwise reach any more becomes a thing of great rejoicing.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Oh, lordie, lordie! [Killing me]

And welcome back, Lucrezia. [Smile]

ETA: cross-posted, but Wodders' point is very well taken, too.

[ 26. September 2012, 08:56: Message edited by: Lyda*Rose ]
 
Posted by Pine Marten (# 11068) on :
 
All so true, so true. My first realisation was when shop people and the like stopped addressing me as 'Miss' and called me 'madam'... [Frown]

As the great Giles of blessed memory once said to Buffy, he'd rather be at home with a cup of Bovril and a good book - that's my man!
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
You know you're middle aged when your colleague, the teacher of the class next door was born in 1990.

[Eek!]

She's younger than my sons!

[Eek!]
 
Posted by Morlader (# 16040) on :
 
I am not middle-aged, I am old . I know because they've stopped asking to see my bus pass. [Frown]
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
If you've got a bus pass, you're staring the end of middle age in the face. Don't kid yourself.

Adult life - to an approximation, lasts from 20 to 80. The mid-point of this is 50. Any definition of "middle age" that doesn't have 50 around the middle of it is a comfortable fiction.

Hence it runs from around 35 to 65, IMV. Which unfortunately includes me. And my answer to the OP is "when you start saying 'oof' as you settle into an armchair."
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
Incidently, as ever, there's an XKCD for this:

http://xkcd.com/647/
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
Mrs Sioni recently had the shock of becoming a great-great-aunt! She wasn't amused at all and she's younger than me.
 
Posted by Alaric the Goth (# 511) on :
 
I'm a paradox. I am 46 , so middle-aged according to most (1970s!) dictionary definitions, but look younger (some reckon a good 10 years younger or more). I don't have a hint of hair loss, unlike many ex-Uni friends (You Know Who You Are...) who need head-polishing kits for Christmas [Snigger] . I also am not obviously going grey* (have, allegedly, one or two grey hairs, but I can't see them...). But I was midde aged at 30 in terms of taste. I got for one Christmas present (I was, IIRC, still in my 30s) the perfect combination: a bottle of single malt whisky, slippers, and a book entitled An Illustrated History of Hull & Barnsley Railway Locomotives (Volume 2). Middle aged? At least!

*My friend was recently at a (PCC?) meeting of his CofE church and a name for the Senior Citizens Group was being sought. He suggested Fifty Shades of Grey! This was not minuted...
 
Posted by MSHB (# 9228) on :
 
They increase the starting age for "middle-aged" ... and you are still over it.

You stop wondering what you are going to do when you grow up and start planning your retirement (not that I have ever grown up).

Your latest new recruit at work is younger than your oldest child (and you keep thinking "Gosh he looks so young").

You remember where you were when Kennedy was assassinated (or perhaps if you even know who Kennedy was).

John, Paul, George, and Ringo!
 
Posted by Baptist Trainfan (# 15128) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alaric the Goth:
I got for one Christmas present (I was, IIRC, still in my 30s) the perfect combination: a bottle of single malt whisky, slippers, and a book entitled An Illustrated History of Hull & Barnsley Railway Locomotives (Volume 2). Middle aged? At least!
What makes this worse is the assumption that you must have already purchased or received "An Illustrated History of Hull & Barnsley Railway Locomotives (Volume 1)" on some earlier occasion.

But then I am a London & North Western man.
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
quote:
Originally posted by Alaric the Goth:
I got for one Christmas present (I was, IIRC, still in my 30s) the perfect combination: a bottle of single malt whisky, slippers, and a book entitled An Illustrated History of Hull & Barnsley Railway Locomotives (Volume 2). Middle aged? At least!
What makes this worse is the assumption that you must have already purchased or received "An Illustrated History of Hull & Barnsley Railway Locomotives (Volume 1)" on some earlier occasion.

But then I am a London & North Western man.
Oh saints preserve us, not two of them!
 
Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alaric the Goth:
... I also am not obviously going grey* (have, allegedly, one or two grey hairs, but I can't see them...)...
You know you're middle aged when you're acquiring grey hairs that aren't visible to the general public.
 
Posted by Alaric the Goth (# 511) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
quote:
Originally posted by Alaric the Goth:
I got for one Christmas present (I was, IIRC, still in my 30s) the perfect combination: a bottle of single malt whisky, slippers, and a book entitled An Illustrated History of Hull & Barnsley Railway Locomotives (Volume 2). Middle aged? At least!
What makes this worse is the assumption that you must have already purchased or received "An Illustrated History of Hull & Barnsley Railway Locomotives (Volume 1)" on some earlier occasion.

But then I am a London & North Western man.
Oh saints preserve us, not two of them!
Call us (6170 British) Legion for we are many! We had a whole thread, and then another, for railway enthusiasts while you were ashore, and it drove the hosts wild with excitement to read our posts about Stanier, Gresley, SR EMUs (that was ken) etc, etc.
 
Posted by Alaric the Goth (# 511) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
quote:
Originally posted by Alaric the Goth:
I got for one Christmas present (I was, IIRC, still in my 30s) the perfect combination: a bottle of single malt whisky, slippers, and a book entitled An Illustrated History of Hull & Barnsley Railway Locomotives (Volume 2). Middle aged? At least!
What makes this worse is the assumption that you must have already purchased or received "An Illustrated History of Hull & Barnsley Railway Locomotives (Volume 1)" on some earlier occasion.
No, actually, I have never seen ' Vol. 1'. 'Volume 2' was reduced in price at WHS and was about the actual classes (Kirtley and Stirling locos) whilst I think Vol. 1 concerned itself with sheds, diagrams, operating etc. (I'm not sure that I'd buy it even if I saw it).

quote:
But then I am a London & North Western man.
I will pray for you. The Midland was much better!
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alaric the Goth:
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
quote:
Originally posted by Alaric the Goth:
I got for one Christmas present (I was, IIRC, still in my 30s) the perfect combination: a bottle of single malt whisky, slippers, and a book entitled An Illustrated History of Hull & Barnsley Railway Locomotives (Volume 2). Middle aged? At least!
What makes this worse is the assumption that you must have already purchased or received "An Illustrated History of Hull & Barnsley Railway Locomotives (Volume 1)" on some earlier occasion.

But then I am a London & North Western man.
Oh saints preserve us, not two of them!
Call us (6170 British) Legion for we are many! We had a whole thread, and then another, for railway enthusiasts while you were ashore, and it drove the hosts wild with excitement to read our posts about Stanier, Gresley, SR EMUs (that was ken) etc, etc.
That may not have been excitement.

The best railway threads are surely those that start Kings Cross St Pancras or Mudchute and end (after much argument about rules and rulings) with Mornington Crescent! and a big argument about whether the winning move was valid.

[ 26. September 2012, 15:53: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]
 
Posted by LutheranChik (# 9826) on :
 
You're pondering moving to a new city, and one of your utmost concerns is if they have a good hospital, as well as good internists and cardiologists, there.
 
Posted by Starbug (# 15917) on :
 
You refer to past events and younger colleagues stare at you blankly because it was 'before their time'.

You remember the original releases of current cover versions (and prefer them too!)

You have to pluck hairs out of your chin.

Your 'little' sister turns 40!
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
The young things in your office start reminiscing about "back in the Nineties" (and you realize that in just 4 years, people born this century will be entering employment).

Your new manager wasn't born when you first started work.

The technological revolution that you were keenly enthusiastic about when you were younger is all now Getting A Bit Much and leaving you behind.

Your friends start talking about their grandchildren. Those that are left, anyway.
 
Posted by Tree Bee (# 4033) on :
 
You are approached with an invitation to join the U3A, the university of the third age.
This happened to me on my 50th birthday. [Frown]
 
Posted by Mama Thomas (# 10170) on :
 
You know you're middle aged when everyone you meet reminds of of someone else.

You know you're middle aged with nothing on a Top 40 station makes any sense.

You know you're middle aged if you think a flip phone is cool.

You know you're middle aged if the year 1995 doesn't seem all that long ago.

You know you're in a mainline denomination when a 50-year old clergy person is constantly referred to as "young."
 
Posted by Mama Thomas (# 10170) on :
 
I forgot one that hits home: you know you're middle age when seemingly suddenly becoming fat and bald DID happen to you. (Never thought it would but it did).

And you know you're middle aged when you're too old to die young.
 
Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mama Thomas:
You know you're middle aged if you think a flip phone is cool.
Flip phones are cool because they're like the communicators in the original and best series of Star Tr...

Oh.

Yeah, you may have a point.
 
Posted by BessHiggs (# 15176) on :
 
I sound like a bowl of Rice Krispies when I get out of bed in the morning.

I make random grunting noises when I sit down or stand up.

This is one reason I like working during the day. Most of my daytime customers are significantly older than me and so love to tease me about being just a pup. (When I work weekend nights I often end up checking out a good looking man, only to realize that he is young enough to be my child and I am therefore officially a pervy old lady [Hot and Hormonal] )
 
Posted by jacobsen (# 14998) on :
 
Nothing wrong with checking out a good looking young man. We need to know that standards of yoof are being maintained, and that our responses are still intact! [Razz]
 
Posted by Mr Curly (# 5518) on :
 
you find yourself in the cardiac ward rather unexpectedly.

mr curly
 
Posted by Huia (# 3473) on :
 
You know you're middle aged when your arms are too short for you to focus on something you want to read.

Huia
 
Posted by Mama Thomas (# 10170) on :
 
You know you're middle aged when you hum and sometimes sing the jingles for products that are no longer manufactured.

And of course you are middle aged or beyond when you have dozens of TV theme songs in your head and you realise it's already been DECADES since they stopped theme songs to make room for even more advertising.
 
Posted by Miffy (# 1438) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mama Thomas:

You know you're middle aged with nothing on a Top 40 station makes any sense.

You know you're middle aged when your station of choice is
this! [Hot and Hormonal]

Oh, the shame! [Hot and Hormonal] [Hot and Hormonal] It's supplanted 'Carsick FM' in my affections.
 
Posted by Mama Thomas (# 10170) on :
 
But it could be Martini in the Morning.
 
Posted by Banner Lady (# 10505) on :
 
You know you're middle aged when nobody notices you waiting to pay for your purchase at a counter.

You know you're middle aged when no-one wants to survey you for anything any more, because your opinion and buying power just don't rate.

You definitely know you're middle aged when you look around on the highway and wonder how there can be so many 10 year olds driving SUVs. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
You buy a road bike and lycra despite being two stone overweight and coughing your guts up and puking on the verge after anything steeper than 1:10.
 
Posted by The Great Gumby (# 10989) on :
 
You realise that even the "old guard" of the England team (cricket, football, rugby - doesn't matter which) are younger than you.

I found my first grey hair this week. Or the first on the top of my head, anyway - chins don't count because they have their own rules, and they always seem to want everyone to be ginger for some reason.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
You still have hairs on top of your head? You must still be young then. [Biased]

I knew I was middle aged when my children grew taller than me - then started patting me on the top of my head, saying: 'Hello little mummy!'
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Miffy:
quote:
Originally posted by Mama Thomas:

You know you're middle aged with nothing on a Top 40 station makes any sense.

You know you're middle aged when your station of choice is
this! [Hot and Hormonal]

Oh, the shame! [Hot and Hormonal] [Hot and Hormonal] It's supplanted 'Carsick FM' in my affections.
You've not discovered BBC Radio 4extra then? This broadcasts old comedy & drama amongst some more recent stuff but you really feel your age when they broadcast Old Harry's Game from 1997.

You're at least middle-aged when you regard that as a recent show.
 
Posted by Galloping Granny (# 13814) on :
 
I can't pretend to be middle aged any more but there's not much point in starting a thread for age 75 and over...

You know you're a Senior when

Your younger friends defer to you in conversation, motion you first to go through doorways, and are ready to offer you a helping hand (which you may not need) up a high step.

You gleefully take advantage of pensioners' discounts.

If you see something lying on the floor you leave it until you feel like making the effort to pick it up.

You look at a young person and can't begin to guess their age: 22? 30? 45?

You have a simple cell phone to make and receive voice calls. If someone send you a text you may not pick it up till next day, and then spend some time figuring how to reply to it. (But I enjoy using it as my alarm clock when leaving early to travel – and it has a torch function too.)

I like the quote: Inside every old person is a young one wondering what happened.

GG
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gumby:

I found my first grey hair this week.
First? First? Holey moley, Winston Churchill was prime minister when I found my first.
 
Posted by Moo (# 107) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mama Thomas:
But it could be Martini in the Morning.
Your link doesn't work on Firefox because it has an extra http:// in it.

Moo
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Moo:
quote:
Originally posted by Mama Thomas:
But it could be Martini in the Morning.
Your link doesn't work on Firefox because it has an extra http:// in it.

Moo
Why does that mean you're middle aged?
 
Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on :
 
When a bright sunny day makes you think "must get a wash on".

When you bring salad to the barbecue.

When a bank holiday Monday is an opportunity for catching up on correspondence and an early night.
 
Posted by Spike (# 36) on :
 
When looking for a new car, fuel efficiency is more important than performance.
 
Posted by Organ Builder (# 12478) on :
 
...or to go one step farther, when looking for a new car the ease of getting in and out of the vehicle is more important than either the performance or the gas mileage.
 
Posted by The Great Gumby (# 10989) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gumby:

I found my first grey hair this week.
First? First? Holey moley, Winston Churchill was prime minister when I found my first.
Give me a break, Zappa - maybe you've had lots of time to come to terms with it, but that was a serious moment for me. You can never imagine it until it happens, and after that it's a permanent reminder of your mortality.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's a sign that your hair isn't that dark - mine is / was almost black and I've had the odd white hair since I was 12. Mind you, they're gradually taking over.
 
Posted by Spike (# 36) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Organ Builder:
...or to go one step farther, when looking for a new car the ease of getting in and out of the vehicle is more important than either the performance or the gas mileage.
Or one step even farther, you get a new car as opposed to a second hand one
 
Posted by Organ Builder (# 12478) on :
 
Good point, Spike--it's not all bad.
 
Posted by Mama Thomas (# 10170) on :
 
Martini in the Morning

Hope this works now. This is an Internet radio whose audience is made up of middle aged people who actually HATED this sort of music in their youth. Tastes change....
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mama Thomas:
Martini in the Morning

Hope this works now. This is an Internet radio whose audience is made up of middle aged people who actually HATED this sort of music in their youth. Tastes change....
Does one have to "join" RadioLoyalty? All that happens when the player loads is I get an ad for RadioLoyalty asking me to join.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
...when they play "your" music as background music in the grocery store, especially when it's senior discount day.
 
Posted by Banner Lady (# 10505) on :
 
You know you're middle aged when you take time to check the spelling and grammar in your text messages.

You know you're middle aged when you know what the correct change should be at the checkout and how to crosscheck a bank statement.

You know you're middle aged when you understand why things are spelled the way they are (Latin/Greek/other non-English derivations).

You know you're middle aged when you decide to wait for your children or grandchildren to come by before setting up the new phone/tv/ithingy or whatever.
 
Posted by Mama Thomas (# 10170) on :
 
That reminds me:

You know you really are middle aged when half the people you know don't know how to text and texting is the primary means of telephonic communication for the other half.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Banner Lady:
You know you're middle aged when you know what the correct change should be at the checkout
When you know how to tell out correct change addition rather than subtraction.
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Starbug:
You refer to past events and younger colleagues stare at you blankly because it was 'before their time'.

MA is: When you know that this is just Da Yoof glorying in its invincible ignorance. My riposte is always *1066 was before MY time but I know what happened*
 
Posted by art dunce (# 9258) on :
 
Two words. Routine Colonoscopy.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
... When you find the Spanish deputy prime minister sexy
 
Posted by anoesis (# 14189) on :
 
Well, I'm probably not middle-aged yet, having not reached 40, but I can identify with some of this stuff (the rest of it is apparently far enough in the distance to still be funny).

I'm just chipping in to say that it's really doing my head in to have to look at teenage girls wearing exactly the same sort of stuff I was wearing when I was a teenage girl. It's not something I want to have to relive, even vicariously.

Fluorescent sweatshirts, chunky plastic jewellry, coloured jeans, floral pattern jeans, side-ponytails - I have a nasty feeling that shoulderpads, legwarmers, and stirrup pants are just around the corner. I suspect that the reason I find it so excruciating is that all this stuff is tied up with the years of being unsure about oneself, trying hard to fit in, failing, looking back and viewing oneself as a grade-A twerp, and so forth.

Anyway, the nascent signs of verging on being old (the kind of old I thought my mother was when I was a teenager), are that no matter how fashionable any of this shit gets, and no matter how long the trend, I can't see myself moving away from wearing ordinary old bootleg jeans and tops that I actually like in colours that suit me. No matter how naff the teenage girls in the street might think me.

It's happened already. I have become my mother. It could be worse. I have never seen her in a velour tracksuit.
 
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on :
 
I have the antidote to feeling old. I simply go to my church on an average Sunday morning, look around, and know that I'm in the youngest quarter of the congregation.

Our Young Wives Group includes one Young Wife whose grand-daughter has just started secondary school. So I'm even fairly young in a Young Wives context. It used to be the rule that you had to leave Young Wives when you either a) had your 25th wedding anniversary or b) became a grandmother, but that rule has now been ditched.

And when it comes to the Tea Rota, at 48 I'm definitely regarded as one of the young ones, still not fully initiated into the mysteries of the Church Kitchen.

So, feeling middle-aged? Join the Church of Scotland and become part of the Younger Generation.
 
Posted by Mama Thomas (# 10170) on :
 
I think it's the rule pretty much everywhere except the mega churches. But they don't seem to keep their members. They usually quit when their tastes naturally mature with age and leave the mega church for those in between youth and 35.
 
Posted by Amika (# 15785) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
quote:
Originally posted by Mama Thomas:
You know you're middle aged if you think a flip phone is cool.
Flip phones are cool because they're like the communicators in the original and best series of Star Tr...

Oh.

Yeah, you may have a point.
Yep, that is exactly why I bought a flip phone. In fact, when I first got it I practiced the 'Kirk to Enterprise' speech quite a few times! [Hot and Hormonal]

Sadly it did not flip open in the appropriate loose manner I was hoping for...
 
Posted by piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
... And when it comes to the Tea Rota, at 48 I'm definitely regarded as one of the young ones ...
I know how you feel, NEQ. I got press-ganged into the Altar Guild at the Cathedral while I wasn't eligible to work here, and I was the youngest by well over 10 years (actually most of them were more like 20 years older than me).
 
Posted by Dafyd (# 5549) on :
 
You know you're middle aged when instead of going to bed after one in the morning you're going to the loo.
 
Posted by The Rogue (# 2275) on :
 
You know you're middle aged when you start wondering if you're middle aged.
 
Posted by Timothy the Obscure (# 292) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Amika:
quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
quote:
Originally posted by Mama Thomas:
You know you're middle aged if you think a flip phone is cool.
Flip phones are cool because they're like the communicators in the original and best series of Star Tr...

Oh.

Yeah, you may have a point.
Yep, that is exactly why I bought a flip phone. In fact, when I first got it I practiced the 'Kirk to Enterprise' speech quite a few times! [Hot and Hormonal]

Sadly it did not flip open in the appropriate loose manner I was hoping for...
I set up the voice-activated dialing of my first flip-phone so that "Kirk to Enterprise" dialed my home landline. [Hot and Hormonal]
 
Posted by RuthW (# 13) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jahlove:
My riposte is always *1066 was before MY time but I know what happened*
Brilliant! I am stealing this.

quote:
Originally posted by Timothy the Obscure:
I set up the voice-activated dialing of my first flip-phone so that "Kirk to Enterprise" dialed my home landline. [Hot and Hormonal]
[Axe murder]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Actually (and it may be TMI) but I remember a rather drunken conversation with a mate and us both agreeing that you know you're middle aged* when you lean further and further forward at the urinal to find your aparatus ... after a while I guess you just go by memory and by location finder service (I don't use the damn things any more**) [Hot and Hormonal]

* YNYMA
** Urinals. Not the aparatus.

[ 30. September 2012, 01:48: Message edited by: Zappa ]
 
Posted by comet (# 10353) on :
 
zappa reminds me - a friend went on a weight loss kick a few years ago and did very well. one day I got a text message from him that read, "I can see my penis!" took me a second to figure out why this was such good news, but I figured it out and congratulated him. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by PaulBC (# 13712) on :
 
When you realize that your new rector is a 28 year old woman whose grandfather used be the local bishop. She assumes rectorship a week tomorrow . Thanks be to God [Votive] [Angel] [Smile]
 
Posted by kankucho (# 14318) on :
 
...Everything you think of as 'hip' is being newly lauded as 'retro-chic'.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
YNYMAW your kids have to explain things everyone else (younger everyones, that is) seems to know. Like 420. I had never heard of it. (Potentially not work safe to Google.)

Also, it seems you might be middle aged when you know how to text (and do it occasionally!) but prefer to actually talk to the person with whom you are communicating.
 
Posted by Galloping Granny (# 13814) on :
 
YKYMA when you drop off the church cleaning roster without feeling guilty.

You know you're a real oldie when you retire without guilt from the tea roster.

(But I still do the weekday morning tea twice a term because that's a baking one, and when you don't bake much for your own coffee time it gives you a kick when the Young Mums say 'That's yummy: can I have some more?')

We do have plenty of younger folk in our congo.

GG
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
Also, it seems you might be middle aged when you know how to text (and do it occasionally!) but prefer to actually talk to the person with whom you are communicating.
We've gone to all-cell, and I miss actually having a full-sized phone tranceiver to hold to up to my head!
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
I became middle-aged at 36: I am now elderly as I have been asked to fill out a form to join the local senior centre. Old age is right around the corner: I get discounts almost everywhere I go out to eat, largely because of my white hair!
 
Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on :
 
Hit me a couple of years ago when an undergraduate was telling me about doing voluntary work in a school with year 9s. I can never remember how the current system for counting school years maps onto the one that was around when i was at school so I asked her 'what's that in old money?' (note for trans-pond shipmates: reference to pre-decimal currency, meaning by extension 'what did that use to be?')

She just looked blankly at me and I realised that not only did she not know what the former equivalent of year 9 was- and why should she?- she'd never heard the expression 'what's that in old money?' But then decimalisation would have happened about 18 years before she was born.
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
I have heard it said (by a female speaker) that middle age means "when you're wet in all the dry places and dry in all the wet places."
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mamacita:
I have heard it said (by a female speaker) that middle age means "when you're wet in all the dry places and dry in all the wet places."
erk!!


[Killing me]
 
Posted by Reuben (# 11361) on :
 
YKYMA when the first thing you grab in the morning isn't your mobile phone.

(with apologies to Adam Hills)
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Albertus:
Hit me a couple of years ago when an undergraduate was telling me about doing voluntary work in a school with year 9s. I can never remember how the current system for counting school years maps onto the one that was around when i was at school so I asked her 'what's that in old money?'
The first time I went to the UK was when old money was being fazed out: I had 50p coins in one pocket and shillings in the other. It was 1970 and there was parity: 20 shillings equalled £1 and it was 240p to the $. This was very easy to keep track of.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
quote:
Originally posted by Albertus:
Hit me a couple of years ago when an undergraduate was telling me about doing voluntary work in a school with year 9s. I can never remember how the current system for counting school years maps onto the one that was around when i was at school so I asked her 'what's that in old money?'
The first time I went to the UK was when old money was being fazed out: I had 50p coins in one pocket and shillings in the other. It was 1970 and there was parity: 20 shillings equalled £1 and it was 240p to the $. This was very easy to keep track of.
The 50p coin was one of the earlier coins to be introduced (I suppose the florin was the first at 2/-, one-tencth of a £).

240p was not a pound though. 240d (old pence) was one pound, but 240p was £2.40p. At the then exchange rate of $2.4 to the £, 100d (old pence) or 6/8, was about one dollar.
 
Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on :
 
Yes, that would be it- 1 cent = 1d.
 
Posted by Sparrow (# 2458) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
YNYMAW your kids have to explain things everyone else (younger everyones, that is) seems to know. Like 420. I had never heard of it. (Potentially not work safe to Google.)
I confess I didn't know either, till I googled it just now!

[Ultra confused]
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
I was such a deprived young adult! [Eek!]

[ 04. October 2012, 13:35: Message edited by: PeteC ]
 
Posted by Miss Madrigal (# 15528) on :
 
When the bright young things at work suggest something and you're the crusty individual with the bucket of cold water saying, "We could try that, but it didn't work the first time we tried it, or the second time come to that".

[ 06. October 2012, 05:43: Message edited by: Miss Madrigal ]
 
Posted by Mr Curly (# 5518) on :
 
The staff in the cardiac ward recognize you from last time.

mr curly
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
Some of the clothes in your wardrobe that you never quite got round to throwing out have now come back into fashion again.

Retirement ceases to be one of those far-off things on a distant horizon and is now something that will actually happen one of these days.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
Some of the clothes in your wardrobe that you never quite got round to throwing out have now come back into fashion again.
Some, of course, we hope never will.

I hope I die before I grow old. Why don't you all just f-f-f-fade away?

In fact when I was a convert to Christianity in 1979 I was so sure the second coming would occur in the next few months it never occurred to me I'd grow old ... Hal Lindsay has a lot to answer for [Mad]
 
Posted by Gee D (# 13815) on :
 
They are better than mankinis, but that's about the best you can say for them.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
My son keeps referring to that "old fashioned music." He means rock.
Yup - I know that one. Only last night, a Queen track beign mutilated on X Factor was being classed as "dated".

Don't Stop Me Now is "dated"? "old-hat"?
 
Posted by Matariki (# 14380) on :
 
At 46 let me count the ways.

I used to think a memory stick was something Aborigines used when telling stories and that twitter was simply bird song.

Catching myself saying "when I was your age."

Often dealing with people ten years younger than me who are grandparents.
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:


240p was not a pound though. 240d (old pence) was one pound, but 240p was £2.40p. At the then exchange rate of $2.4 to the £, 100d (old pence) or 6/8, was about one dollar.
Ta
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
I was such a deprived young adult! [Eek!]
Me too.

Oh, sorry, deprived. As you were.

[ 08. October 2012, 14:01: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:


240p was not a pound though. 240d (old pence) was one pound, but 240p was £2.40p. At the then exchange rate of $2.4 to the £, 100d (old pence) or 6/8, was about one dollar.
Ta
You're welcome. Imagine pre-decimal computer accounting systems! I never worked on any but I've seen some COBOL programs for the old £sd.
 
Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :
 
This may have been said before

YKYAMAW you are happy to look like someone you would like to know rather than perfect.

Jengie
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
quote:
Don't Stop Me Now is "dated"? "old-hat"?
Well, none of the still-wet-behind-the-ears kids on X Factor could do it as well as Freddy. Obviously.

You know you're middle aged when you are proud to admit that you never watch X Factor, Britain's Got Talent or any of the other modern equivalents of throwing Christians to the lions and your favourite 'modern' programme is Downton Abbey (in spite of the anachronisms).

Also when you devote a whole Saturday morning to looking for a new loo brush, and upon finding a shop that sells a large selection of cheap ones, exclaim in a loud voice 'Wow! Toilet brush heaven!' Whereupon you realise that the shop assistant behind the desk is in fits of giggles and instead of being embarrassed you join in with the laughter...
 
Posted by Morlader (# 16040) on :
 
Loo brush heaven [Killing me]
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by jacobsen (# 14998) on :
 
I had a glow of achievement [Yipee] and pride when I actually found an airing rack which props over the bathtub. Small pleasures.... [Yipee]
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
The definitive turning point is when you start watching and enjoying gardening programmes, and go and visit National Trust properties because they have lovely gardens.

Also, there's a progression in radio listening preferences. You may have started off as a teenager with Radio 1 before moving on to Radio 2, then find yourself drifting towards Radio 4. Once that becomes more of a habit, you've passed the point of no return.
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
The definitive turning point is when you start watching and enjoying gardening programmes
Or just gardening. I'm convinced there's a hormonal switch which suddenly programmes you at a certain age to go pot up begonias (even if you are totally hazy about what one even looks like).
 
Posted by birdie (# 2173) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:

Also, there's a progression in radio listening preferences. You may have started off as a teenager with Radio 1 before moving on to Radio 2, then find yourself drifting towards Radio 4. Once that becomes more of a habit, you've passed the point of no return.
I've been listening to radio 4 since I was a teenager. I'm not sure what this means.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by birdie:
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:

Also, there's a progression in radio listening preferences. You may have started off as a teenager with Radio 1 before moving on to Radio 2, then find yourself drifting towards Radio 4. Once that becomes more of a habit, you've passed the point of no return.
I've been listening to radio 4 since I was a teenager. I'm not sure what this means.
You prefer Jenni Murray to DJs and the reactionaries that phone in to the Jeremy Vine show. You like a variety of documentaries, comedies and dramas to a playlist that acts as a backdrop to ironing. You hate ironing and housework and would rather write and do crafts.

You haven't discovered BBC Radio 4Extra.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
More reasons for Radio 4: You like the unconsidered trifles that appear without fanfare and the interesting snippets you imbibe effortlessly.

(I'm another who's been listening since I was a teenager, my daughter fought back with music stations for a while, but she's been converted)
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
I prefer Radio 3 myself, provided they're playing music rather than discussing it.

Quiet in here, isn't it (well OK I do listen to the occasional thing on Radio 4).
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
... when you still think that a Velociraptor is a kick-ass fighting dinosaur instead of some kind of scavenging bird.
 
Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by birdie:
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:

Also, there's a progression in radio listening preferences. You may have started off as a teenager with Radio 1 before moving on to Radio 2, then find yourself drifting towards Radio 4. Once that becomes more of a habit, you've passed the point of no return.
I've been listening to radio 4 since I was a teenager. I'm not sure what this means.
Me too - and Radio 3 - means we have always had good taste.

I have never listened to Radio 1 or 2 9 except when I did an interview for Radio 2 once.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
... when you still think that a Velociraptor is a kick-ass fighting dinosaur instead of some kind of scavenging bird.
[Ultra confused]
 
Posted by birdie (# 2173) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by birdie:
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:

Also, there's a progression in radio listening preferences. You may have started off as a teenager with Radio 1 before moving on to Radio 2, then find yourself drifting towards Radio 4. Once that becomes more of a habit, you've passed the point of no return.
I've been listening to radio 4 since I was a teenager. I'm not sure what this means.
You prefer Jenni Murray to DJs and the reactionaries that phone in to the Jeremy Vine show. You like a variety of documentaries, comedies and dramas to a playlist that acts as a backdrop to ironing. You hate ironing and housework and would rather write and do crafts.

You haven't discovered BBC Radio 4Extra.
That's actually frighteningly accurate except a) I don't iron and b) I have discovered radio 4 extra but our digital signal is a bit dodgy since moving.
 
Posted by Heavenly Anarchist (# 13313) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by birdie:
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by birdie:
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:

Also, there's a progression in radio listening preferences. You may have started off as a teenager with Radio 1 before moving on to Radio 2, then find yourself drifting towards Radio 4. Once that becomes more of a habit, you've passed the point of no return.
I've been listening to radio 4 since I was a teenager. I'm not sure what this means.
You prefer Jenni Murray to DJs and the reactionaries that phone in to the Jeremy Vine show. You like a variety of documentaries, comedies and dramas to a playlist that acts as a backdrop to ironing. You hate ironing and housework and would rather write and do crafts.

You haven't discovered BBC Radio 4Extra.
That's actually frighteningly accurate except a) I don't iron and b) I have discovered radio 4 extra but our digital signal is a bit dodgy since moving.
You sound like me :)I never iron a thing unless it's for patchwork (how middle aged is that!) and I love 4extra, all those old comedies and repeats of plays.
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by birdie:
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:

Also, there's a progression in radio listening preferences. You may have started off as a teenager with Radio 1 before moving on to Radio 2, then find yourself drifting towards Radio 4. Once that becomes more of a habit, you've passed the point of no return.
I've been listening to radio 4 since I was a teenager. I'm not sure what this means.
It means you have a brain and have figured out that most DJs are egocentric hyper-extrovert lunatics.
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
My family always listened to Radio 4, it was just part of the fabric of everyday life. My form of teenage rebellion was to try Radio 1 until I realized a few days later I couldn't stand it.
 
Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
Radio 4 is the auditory equivalent of the Isles of the Blessed. I often arrange to start work late on Thursdays, just for the pleasure of listening to In Our Time. It has the best comedy, the most erudite broadcasters, the most incisive interviewers ever to disturb an electromagnetic field. It has Toksvig, Purvis and Naughtie. It's where the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy was born. It's where you can learn how to talk on any subject for a minute without hesitation, repetition or deviation. It's where you can learn everything you'll ever need to know about Hannibal, the care of begonias, or the eight favourite records of someone you'd never heard of before. Its price is far, far beyond rubies. It does have a hint of middle age about it, but its message is that middle age can be an earthly paradise.

Radio 4 Extra is where you go in order to learn that your sense of humour hasn't matured at all in 35 years.
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
Radio 4 is the auditory equivalent of the Isles of the Blessed. I often arrange to start work late on Thursdays, just for the pleasure of listening to In Our Time. It has the best comedy, the most erudite broadcasters, the most incisive interviewers ever to disturb an electromagnetic field. It has Toksvig, Purvis and Naughtie. It's where the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy was born. It's where you can learn how to talk on any subject for a minute without hesitation, repetition or deviation. It's where you can learn everything you'll ever need to know about Hannibal, the care of begonias, or the eight favourite records of someone you'd never heard of before. Its price is far, far beyond rubies. It does have a hint of middle age about it, but its message is that middle age can be an earthly paradise.

Radio 4 Extra is where you go in order to learn that your sense of humour hasn't matured at all in 35 years.
You forgot to mention that it's where you can learn that Countryside means "the act of murdering Piers Morgan", how "Girlfriend in a Coma" sounds to the tune of "The Birdy Song", and when you can perform a reverse three-way shunt into a deep line station while other players are in Knid, and when you damned well can't.
 
Posted by ElaineC (# 12244) on :
 
I grew up with Radio 4 too.

Except for Sunday lunctimes when it was the 'Light' Program for 'The Navy Lark' and 'Round the Horne'.

When I was revising for my 'O' and 'A' levels I listened to Radio Luxemborg on a small transistor radio.

It was back to Radio 4 when my girls were small as this was before daytime TV. When I told my 6 year old I was going back to full time work, her response was 'Mummy how are you going to manage without the Archers?'.
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineC:
I grew up with Radio 4 too.

Except for Sunday lunctimes when it was the 'Light' Program for 'The Navy Lark' and 'Round the Horne'.

When I was revising for my 'O' and 'A' levels I listened to Radio Luxemborg on a small transistor radio.

It was back to Radio 4 when my girls were small as this was before daytime TV. When I told my 6 year old I was going back to full time work, her response was 'Mummy how are you going to manage without the Archers?'.
Ach. That's the bit that has me leaping across the room to the "Off" switch.

Altogether now:

"Old Dan Archer's got a farm
So has Walter Gabriel
Every night when they get home
Their dinner's on the table.

Do de diddly do de diddly do de diddly do

Old Dan Archer's got a farm
So has Walter Gabriel!"

Inconveniently pitched for a tenor though.
 
Posted by Morlader (# 16040) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineC:
I grew up with Radio 4 too.

Except for Sunday lunctimes when it was the 'Light' Program for 'The Navy Lark' and 'Round the Horne'.
.
[Pedant mode on] Did Radio 4 and the Light Program coexist? Wasn't Radio 4 the Home Service then?
[Pedant mode off]
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Morlader:
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineC:
I grew up with Radio 4 too.

Except for Sunday lunctimes when it was the 'Light' Program for 'The Navy Lark' and 'Round the Horne'.
.
[Pedant mode on] Did Radio 4 and the Light Program coexist? Wasn't Radio 4 the Home Service then?
[Pedant mode off]
Yes, you are correct. When Radio 1 was introduced the other three services were renamed. The Light Program became Radio 2, the Third Program, Radio 3 and the Home Program became Radio 4.
 
Posted by Sandemaniac (# 12829) on :
 
You know you are middle aged when you the nice young lass you work with comes in with a pair of trousers slung very, very low on her hips and you realise that you have a burning urge to grap them by the waistband and pull them...


Up!

AG
 
Posted by Alaric the Goth (# 511) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
Radio 4 is the auditory equivalent of the Isles of the Blessed.... It's where you can learn how to talk on any subject for a minute without hesitation, repetition or deviation. It's where you can learn everything you'll ever need to know about Hannibal, the care of begonias, or the eight favourite records of someone you'd never heard of before...
You forgot to mention that it's where you can learn that Countryside means "the act of murdering Piers Morgan", how "Girlfriend in a Coma" sounds to the tune of "The Birdy Song", and when you can perform a reverse three-way shunt into a deep line station while other players are in Knid, and when you damned well can't.
Had to think about the 'Countryside' one for a minute... [Smile]

I listen to Radio 4 more than any other radio station. I do find it annoying at times, however. The comedy can be great, 'Just a Minute' and 'ISIHAC' in particular, but the liberal/left-wing bias of e.g. 'The News Quiz' gets a bit much at times. As does the anti-Christian (well anti-anything Christian except liberal Christian) tone of things like The Today Programme.

I always turn off 'The Archers'. And that Saturday evening 'Loose Ends' programme with Clive Anderson, I just can't abide.

[ 16. October 2012, 09:57: Message edited by: Alaric the Goth ]
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alaric the Goth:

I listen to Radio 4 more than any other radio station. I do find it annoying at times, however. The comedy can be great, 'Just a Minute' and 'ISIHAC' in particular, but the liberal/left-wing bias of e.g. 'The News Quiz' gets a bit much at times.
Political humour works best when it opposes the government and the powerful, let's face it, we've had right-wing governments and corporate excess in Britain for the last 33 years. Before then The News Huddlines and even Week Ending (for which a very young Andy Hamilton was a regular contributor) gave the Wilson & Callaghan governments and the Trade Unions plenty of stick. Come think of of it, the dafter end of the Trade Unionism, like Bob Crow, still get it.
quote:

As does the anti-Christian (well anti-anything Christian except liberal Christian) tone of things like The Today Programme.
The Today Programme is against most things, except the Today Programme.
quote:

I always turn off 'The Archers'. And that Saturday evening 'Loose Ends' programme with Clive Anderson, I just can't abide.
The Archers is something you have to be born to, while Clive Anderson is a dick.
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
I don't tend to notice the bias, if such there be, because if it exists it fits my own biases [Razz]

[ 16. October 2012, 12:29: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
The songs you remember are older than the people you're trying to talk to them about.
 


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