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Thread: Release your inner Luddite
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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What new technology do I think is a step backwards?
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SAT NAV
I prefer brain, which includes map reading ability, memory and sense of direction.
Also, I'm a semi-Luddite when it comes to spell checkers (yeah... "loose" is OK for "not win"!!)
Again, I prefer brain.
Anyone else like to release their inner Luddite?
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For anyone who is dyslexic sat navs and spell checkers are life savers.
I have wasted SO much time in the past, these two things give me great freedom!
My inner luddite hates to drive automatic cars - I like to choose when to vroooom!
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Niminypiminy
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EE I'm definitely with you on the SatNav.
I don't drive but have endeavoured to make up for this over the years by honing my map reading skills. I can now navigate short cuts through networks of single-track lanes in the West Country and find good routes through unfamiliar towns, and I love doing it! And I hate the robotic way it treats you as a moron and robs you of any chance to learn the topography of the places you are travelling to and through.
Does liking to knit count as luddism? I know I could buy jumpers more cheaply, but I like to make them myself, and again, I like practising a skill it has cost me time and effort to learn.
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Surfing Madness
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When I'm driving by myself somewhere unfamiliar then a Sat Nav can be a life saver, but I would always rather have a map reader, or be the map reader.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Smartphones. Stupid fiddly things.
I'll start whining about new 5 pees in a minute.
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Darllenwr
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When failing eyesight (age ... ![[Frown]](frown.gif) ) renders reading a map whilst on the move difficult, a SatNav is a useful piece of kit.
Still don't like them ...
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balaam
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e-readers, who needs them?
The feel of paper in your hands is better than plastic, but even more important, I read in the bath - the best place to do theology.
However I'm not a total luddite, I find sat-nav on a smart phone the quickest way of finding things whilst on foot.
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Ariel
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I love my sat nav. After I passed my driving test, for the first six months I dutifully did my best to navigate using maps and road signs and had some hair-raising adventures and near crashes in consequence. The sat nav really helped me to make sense of those lane changes in unfamiliar three lane roundabouts when you have barely a split second to make a decision or miss the road markings. It's like having a friend read the map to you, and as a new driver it really helped to give me confidence when driving.
I live quite happily without smartphones and iPods and loathe e-book readers. A book is an experience on more than one level, not just about getting the information from eye to brain. An e-reader takes away the element of craftsmanship - no need for a text design or cover - and strips a book down to just an impersonal utility. It buys into the rat race of constant software upgrades and proprietary formats and all the rest of it.
I don't want my entire collection to be on one. (What if you were burgled and someone took the e-reader with your entire library on it?) I like having books on shelves to look at.
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I *love* e-book readers! The popularity of these is depressing the price of printed matter. Mrs Sioni doesn't agree because the parts of bookshelves that aren't double-stacked are now stacked three-books deep.
Don't like Satnavs though. If they don't know about accidents and roadworks the hectoring tone is very annoying, and nearby Caerleon is just one place that is regularly gridlocked by some cheapskate trucker using the wrong kind of Satnav.
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In my current assignment, I have been a real luddite. One of my tasks has been smashing old laptops up. I have done some 50 this week alone.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Including power failure? Always assuming you're in an area with mobile reception.
Really, CK, didn't you see the Booster Brolly in the last link?
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Og, King of Bashan
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I am enough of a bull headed male to bristle at the thought of a SatNav (I actually do know exactly where I am at all times). But a friend recently pointed out that it can be a life saver for elderly drivers. When his grandmother still wanted to drive but was getting old enough that they were worried that she might lose her way easily, especially after dark, the SatNav was the perfect solution.
Despite the fact that someone figured out long ago that it is much easier to ski down a hill with your ankle firmly attached to the back of your ski, I still insist on free-heeling it. I guess that makes me a bit of a luddite.
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I dislike digital clocks. I carry a lovely mechanical pocket watch (I own several--so the choice of which one I wear depends on the rest of my attire) and my house has multiple mechanical clocks (mantel, wall and tall-case). I can't imagine why people consider it a good idea to have a clock that resets to 88:88 whenever there is a power failure.
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saysay
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SatNav (and mapquest and google maps) are the only way for me to get so completely and totally lost that I can't even begin to find my way back to wherever I'm going. Smartphones. Cell phones, really, at all.
I think I may be getting to the point where I'd like to simply go live in a tent somewhere and grow and hunt all my own food. I'm sure there's someone in the world who finds this technology intuitive, but for the most part I feel like I push a button on my keychain and a bomb goes off in Berlin - there's no particular relationship between what something looks like it might do and what it actually does.
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Scots lass
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I much prefer a real book to an e-book (you can lend it! You can spot it on the shelf twenty years later and suddenly remember you loved it!). But the real Luddite tendency is that I prefer to bake in imperial measures.
I was born in the 1980s.
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I can do without a microwave oven. To misquote scripture, "Can anything good come out of a microwave?"
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Boogie
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Originally posted by Porridge:
I can do without a microwave oven. To misquote scripture, "Can anything good come out of a microwave?"
Yes - the only thing I use it for - porridge!
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saysay
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Hot water?
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Curiosity killed ...
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Including power failure? Always assuming you're in an area with mobile reception.
Really, CK, didn't you see the Booster Brolly in the last link?
Not sure that this is going to amuse you as much as it did me, but I went to look to check the booster brolly I got a broken message for the link!
That booster brolly isn't actually on the market yet - and it doesn't solve the areas with no reception (and I've got some locally - most of the Forest for starters)
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Og, King of Bashan
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Originally posted by Scots lass:
I much prefer a real book to an e-book (you can lend it! You can spot it on the shelf twenty years later and suddenly remember you loved it!). But the real Luddite tendency is that I prefer to bake in imperial measures.
I was born in the 1980s.
I live in the States and I do my baking and brewing by grams. The imperial measurement system is good for estimating, but when you get into an activity that is essentially home bio-chem, I want something that I can do easy calculations with.
In all other non-scientific aspects of life (which is the majority of my life), you will not find a stronger proponent of imperial measurements than me.
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Hedgehog
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Originally posted by saysay:
Hot water?
No. A microwave oven is horrible for hot water, at least if you are a tea drinker. The tea comes out tasting very flat.
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saysay
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I was thinking more for the creation of hot water bottles.
But now I've learned that some people measure things when they bake.
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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I ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif) my GPS navigator. I've often had to go to unfamiliar places three or four hours drive away, with lots of road turns too. I got so lost once I swore I'd buy a GPS. I did and haven't regretted it since.
I prefer real books though. I don't own an e-reader. Probably because I still have 20/20 vision.
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Zappa
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All of the above: hate e-books, hate satnav - though I am using it to map my running (but whoever said I wasn't a hypocrite*), hate automatic cars, hate microwaves, prefer records to CDs, and still, though I now for work have to have a mobile phone (and have a smart phone, hence the run-mapping, but it's really to enhance Ship access), would prefer not to have one. In fact I prefer dials to buttons. Ring Ring.
It's funny how many people have their phones set to the old fashioned ring. Mine quacks. Except when Kuruman rings then it barks.
*okay, I'm converting slowly on that one ... ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif)
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Zach82
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I am mostly a Luddite, but YOU try navigating Boston without a GPS!
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I've never driven a car with sat-nav. I took a taxi from the airport to my apartment a few weeks ago that was so equipped, and it kept giving foolish and contradictory directions (which the driver ignored). My phone has gps, and I've used that for its map (when in non-roaming data range) to find places in the first place, and for its estimate of travel time, but not to navigate under way.
I have no microwave, and am of the camp that they are useless. No electric kitchen tools at all apart from the range, fridge, dishwasher and a scale, as I can kneed bread and use a whisk.
The dishwasher I am very fond of, which is not very Luddite of me.
I don't have an e-reader, but can see the appeal when traveling and to acquire many classics for free. With the price of e-books being close to the real thing, I don't see the point otherwise, unless very pressed for space. Even if it were cheaper, I'd still prefer a real book, even if I might then settle for the lesser option at times.
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Bob Two-Owls
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I hate most things invented after the steam engine but most of all - cars. These I hate with avengeance, I can remember what my village used to be like in the 70s when there was no road and hence no cars. Now I never see my neighbours and traffic zooms past at 60mph slaughtering deer, cyclists and badgers on a regular basis. If I could get away with caltrops and piano-wire I bloody would, but I have a feeling that the archfiends of the motocalypse, the Police, might have a word if I did so I shall restrain myself.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Scots lass:
But the real Luddite tendency is that I prefer to bake in imperial measures.
I've never stopped, and I always ask for things in shops by the ounce or pound. Temperatures are still in Fahrenheit for me too.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Pounds and ounces are fine; Fahrenheit is completely fucktarded; any scheme under which water freezes at 32 and boils at 212 can only have been devised by a loony on mushrooms. 0 and 100 make perfect sense. Even 273K and 373K have logic behind them, but 32 and 212? Utter bollocks (yes I know there is actually a scientific basis to Fahrenheit but it's a fucktarded one)
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Ariel
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It's what I grew up with and what I'm used to. I don't care if water freezes at 32 degrees, and don't see why the defining point of zero degrees has to be that of the freezing point of water. Fahrenheit is more precise, as well; the intervals between degrees in Centigrade are longer.
When it's cold, it never sounds as bad in F as it does in C. When it's hot, I know immediately where I am when it's going to be 80 or so. It means something to me and I can visualize it. I'm not interested in learning a new system, the existing one still works perfectly well.
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Niminypiminy
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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by Scots lass:
But the real Luddite tendency is that I prefer to bake in imperial measures.
I've never stopped, and I always ask for things in shops by the ounce or pound. Temperatures are still in Fahrenheit for me too.
Some recipes that are so easy and memorable in imperial get all complicated in metric.
Jam is the perfect example. 1lb of fruit (or 1 pint of juice) to 1lb of sugar works perfectly. I've tried 1 kilo to 1 kilo, and it doesn't. You have to measure odd amounts.
Victoria sponge is another (2 eggs: 4 oz butter, sugar and flour). Simple and memorable.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Ariel:
It's what I grew up with and what I'm used to. I don't care if water freezes at 32 degrees, and don't see why the defining point of zero degrees has to be that of the freezing point of water.
Everything. If it's going to be 0 or less, it's going to be icy. Useful to know. And I know exactly how icy by how big the number after the - is.
It doesn't have to be the freezing point of water but it's very convenient that it is.
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Fahrenheit is more precise, as well; the intervals between degrees in Centigrade are longer.
Yeah, but that's what fractions are for.
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When it's cold, it never sounds as bad in F as it does in C. When it's hot, I know immediately where I am when it's going to be 80 or so. It means something to me and I can visualize it. I'm not interested in learning a new system, the existing one still works perfectly well.
Not for me. If they said 20F I would have to convert it to Celsius to know how cold that is. -7C and I instantly know it's seven below zero - fecking cold.
So there ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Og, King of Bashan
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
0 and 100 make perfect sense.
Unless you live where I do, where water boils at 95 c. Whenever I go to sea level and eat beans, I marvel at the fact that they get cooked all the way through.
Once again, each system has its use. I always think of the Fahrenheit system as being useful for measuring air temperature in most climates. Yes, it gets below 0 or above 100 in lots of places, but it covers the range of temperatures where I am willing to step outside. Anything above 100 or below 0, I am going to be inside my house with the AC or heat on.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
So there
Whatever. You have the choice, that's what you chose and if you're happy with it, that's fine by me. I didn't choose it or grow up with it, and I don't want it imposed on me.
I don't like decimal currency either. If we do ever get a referendum I will be voting for the return of imperial measurements and coinage. Bring back the groat!
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As a whole, I am not a luddite. I do like technology, and would count as an Early Adopter, and sometimes an Innovator. I have succumbed to GPS, and love it for getting places I don't know, although I do also check where I am going on a map.
Having said that, poor quality technology makes me fume, so that covers all sorts of things. Crap technology should never get to the public.
However, I still substantially prefer books to e-readers, and have not bought a kindle, despite the fact that it would seem to make sense. However, I love books, not just reading, but the things themselves. A plastic thing is not the same.
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saysay
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Can I admit amazement that there are in fact people in this world for whom SAT NAV/GPS works? I thought that was a myth, something they were simply telling me in order to further confuse me, seeing as how when I put in an address, there is basically no chance of me winding up where I wanted to go.
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Kelly Alves
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OK, I have one. Dishwashers. Hate' em.
First of all, there is a certain Zen soothingness to hand washing dishes in warm, sudsy water, and I exercise that option often. I don't get machine washing. You have to rinse and scrub a dish until there is practically nothing on it, then you blast it with scalding water, and half the time stuff comes out stuck-on anyway. And you have to re-wash it. How does this save water?
Suds. Siiighh.
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Firenze
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Microwaves actually probably leave more vitamins in your food than conventional cooking methods.
Og, your link is missing the actual URL.
Anyway, microwaves are fine. They do a specific kind of cooking (steaming) very well. Christmas pudding - 4 hours in an old sock, or 3 minutes in the microwave? They are excellent for vegetable and for softening onions (a process core to innumerable dishes).
The mistake is to expect them to do something which can only be accomplished with an oven or a grill or a red-hot poker.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Zappa:
It's funny how many people have their phones set to the old fashioned ring. Mine quacks. Except when Kuruman rings then it barks.
I set my phone to the old-fashined ring thinking I was making such a statement, then I found myself diving for my pocket as 2 or 3 other phones in the supermarket went off, on more than one occasion.
I switched the tone to the Darryl Hanna Whistling in the Hall tune from "Kill Bill Vol. 1" Which is reasonably unique, but the first week I had it, I went diving for the phone when a waitress at a dirt water little town I hang out in walked by my table whistling the damn tune!
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Og, King of Bashan
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Microwaves actually probably leave more vitamins in your food than conventional cooking methods.
Og, your link is missing the actual URL.
Anyway, microwaves are fine. They do a specific kind of cooking (steaming) very well. Christmas pudding - 4 hours in an old sock, or 3 minutes in the microwave? They are excellent for vegetable and for softening onions (a process core to innumerable dishes).
The mistake is to expect them to do something which can only be accomplished with an oven or a grill or a red-hot poker.
Maybe this will work.
I absolutely agree that microwaves cannot replace certain forms of cooking. I don't know why anyone would cook bacon in the microwave, for instance. I actually pop my popcorn on the stove top, which probably qualifies me for luddite status. And I have finally proven to the Queen of Bashan that you cannot get a sweet potato properly baked in the microwave (the ultimate tool for that is the toaster oven). That said, I have lived without one, and while I got by fine, I wouldn't do it again, given the choice.
Dishwashers too. I recently had to sublease an apartment. Trust me, having a dishwasher was a huge selling point.
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Aside from the fact that I hate handwashing dishes, one advantage is that they come out of the dishwasher with far fewer germs. (I set my dishwasher to wash at high temperatures.)
Since I live alone now, this is less important than when I had children at home.
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Kelly Alves
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Complete air drying takes care of most of the germs-- as for the rest, "That's what the immune system is for!" as Jamie on Mythbusters would say.
YMMV-- in fact, I'm sure it will vary all over the board, I just love me some suds. Maybe I just have Lady MacBeth complex.
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