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Mockingale
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Look, you fat piece of shit. If you don't agree with the Democrats' platform, that's you're right. No one held a gun to your head and told you that you had to give a benediction to close out the Democratic National Convention. But since you did accept, it behooved you not to use prayer as a passive-aggressive swipe at your hosts. The "prayer" that you pontificated about for 10 minutes was nothing but a "Fuck Democrats, vote Romney" speech in disguise.
Don't even try to pretend that wasn't partisan. You basically said "If you're Catholic, you'd better vote for Romney."
Even though I agree with some of what you had to say, that was not the proper forum. You're an asshole and you make Christians look like assholes. You did damage to the church with that stunt. Go fuck yourself.
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Wow. Do you have a link to the prayer so I can go read it?
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Article and text.
He may not have been gracious, but he was motivated by the need to get out the "Truth." How can you argue with that?
There is just the faint possibility here that the good Cardinal came off looking - not as good as he expected/wanted, and the Democrats came off looking religiously tolerant.
Not a terrible result.
In any event I am voting Democrat because I am in love with Michelle Obama. She is, no doubt, the hottest first lady we have had in quite a while.
And for other reasons too.
Michelle Obama = hot just needed to be said.
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Originally posted by Tortuf:
Article and text.
He may not have been gracious, but he was motivated by the need to get out the "Truth." How can you argue with that?
In the early days of radio, there were radio evangelists, and there were other radio shows, interwoven in the same secular radio station. The radio evangelists were always running over their allotted time, because they had to get out the truth. They were doing the Lord's work and did not feel bound to the rules made by mere men. It drove the people who were supposed to come on after them absolutely nuts. "Let us do evil that good may result" is condemned soundly by St. Paul. The ends never justify the means when the means are wrong. Thus the motivation of getting out the truth can quite easily be argued with. It doesn't justify ill behavior.
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It is just possible I was being sarcastic.
I know, I know, best left to the professionals, but Sine is probably asleep right now.
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Originally posted by Tortuf:
It is just possible I was being sarcastic.
Now he tells me.
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It's Cardinal Dolan. What did you expect? This is the same man who, at a graduation speech, talked about how blessed we were to have all had two parents, man and woman, who loved and raised us.
Dear Cardinal: I know you don't believe in divorce. I know you don't believe in alcoholic parents. I know you sure as fuck don't believe in child abuse.* Do you at least believe in adoption? Do you believe in orphans? Hell, do you believe in death? Perhaps, just perhaps, it might be the case that not everyone in your audience had a happy childhood with two loving parents.
Just a thought.
So yes, when he took the chance to "speak truth to power," to make his own speech, to condemn others in a prayer—which, granted, is his right—I can't say I was shocked. He is a man who, for all else, takes the direction of Saints Paul and Augustine when it comes to offering correction and reproach. The DNC knew what it was getting into when it accepted his offer, and he knew he would get a national TV audience to watch it. No doubt there are conservative elements of the Democratic Party who didn't mind a word he said; even leftist-on-Tuesdays me is so far past being shocked or surprised by anything a bishop says that, really, I'm having trouble mustering offense. Maybe I'm jaded, maybe I'm just used to it, but, really, was anyone actually expecting anything different? I would have been more shocked and offended if he had given us the standard "God bless America" benediction.
*Okay, by the laity. For all else you can say about him, it does seem that he's none too happy about clerical abuse. Then again, no other human being with a quarter heard and fraction of a brain is either.
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Having read the text of the speech, I'd say he was lecturing while pretending he was praying. Or as Jesus said, praying "to be seen by men." He will get tons of accolades from the so-called pro-lifers. He will have received his reward in full.
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Actually, it kind of reminds me of Eastwood's speech at the RNC, which, far from being the partisan diatribe some have claimed, at times seemed to be a passive-aggressive swipe at his hosts(and the Democrats, of course). Like saying that Afghanistan was a mistake from the start, and joking he was getting more applause than Romney would get. Among other items.
As for the Cardinal, well, the Dems invited him, and these days it's pretty easy to predict which side of a "moral issue" a Catholic cardinal is going to be on. I don't know which parts of his post were meant to be sarcastic, but I agree with Tortuf this probably makes the Democrats look good. "See? We can invite people we disagree with and give them a chance to be heard".
And let's face. Any offended pro-choicers or gay-rights supporters aren't gonna vote Republican in protest. Or Green, for that matter.
And Tortuf, I concur with your sharply reasoned argument for voting Democrat.
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Look on the bright side.
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I am not sure who I have the most scorn and withering looks for - those people in positions of authority in the church use those positions to tell others what they should do in politics, or those sheep in the church who will listen to an asshole tell them how to vote.
It takes both to make the democratic process a joke. Of course the RCs aren;t great fans of democracy, are they. Just do what the boss says, and everything will be fine.
Use your fucking brains, dickheads.
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When did the church start endorsing political parties and praying at their rallies? (apart from that time in Europe I mean)
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Originally posted by fletcher christian:
When did the church start endorsing political parties and praying at their rallies? (apart from that time in Europe I mean)
308 AD Emperor Constantine.
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The pretext of this lecture was the dodgy dealings he was up to to get on the stage in the first place. He was invited to give the benediction at the Republican convention, then offered to do so at the Democratic convention. When they had better things to do, he went to the media and acted breathlessly offended that the Democrats weren't returning his calls, thus shaming them into inviting him.
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Ah, The Church of the Almighty Douche.
And, lo, the LORD sayeth unto Dickwad, who prayed for histrionic self-serving purposes,
"Thou Shalt Be A Douch, For Thou Art Made In Mine Douchey Image."
And so Dickwad parked in the spot of parking for handicapped losers,
And put on his most phallic hat,
And inflicted his doucheyest douchebaggery in the name of the LORD.
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Mockingale
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Originally posted by Zach82:
The pretext of this lecture was the dodgy dealings he was up to to get on the stage in the first place. He was invited to give the benediction at the Republican convention, then offered to do so at the Democratic convention. When they had better things to do, he went to the media and acted breathlessly offended that the Democrats weren't returning his calls, thus shaming them into inviting him.
It's proof-positive that all the fancy holy titles and silk vestments and purple accessories in the world won't transform you into not-an-asshole.
Rome: come to us if you want to be told how to think and talked down to by an unaccountable cabal of smug old pricks.
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Strangely, after a near lifetime as a practising Catholic, no-one has ever dictated how I should act or feel. I just get on with worshipping God and being the best Christian I can be. I note what the pointy-hats say, and form my own opinions.
I guess that's why I am still practising. Aren't we all?
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Strangely, after a near lifetime as a practising Catholic, no-one has ever dictated how I should act or feel. I just get on with worshipping God and being the best Christian I can be. I note what the pointy-hats say, and form my own opinions.
I guess that's why I am still practising. Aren't we all?
Note that I didn't say that you are all robots, although I have to wonder - if you don't believe that the bishops of the Roman church have some special authority by virtue of Peter's establishment of the Church and all that comes with it, why be a Roman Catholic?
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I believe the hierarchy has authority. I also believe they are fallible. Even the Pope can be fallible; the infallible pronouncement in 1950 regarding the BVM was a codification of what the Faithful have believed for millennia. Hardly a surprise.
So fallible hierarchy. Fallible people. The Church on Earth. I make up my mind, and continue to worship God.
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I believe the hierarchy has authority. I also believe they are fallible. Even the Pope can be fallible; the infallible pronouncement in 1950 regarding the BVM was a codification of what the Faithful have believed for millennia. Hardly a surprise.
So fallible hierarchy. Fallible people. The Church on Earth. I make up my mind, and continue to worship God.
Fair enough.
This didn't smell like a good-faith appeal to moral and religious authority. This struck me as a political move by a political cardinal who agitated to "speak the truth to power" on national TV for potential political capital the next time the cardinals elect a pope. I expect bishops to be a number of things, including a voice for truth, but I don't expect them to be two-faced opportunists.
I think what galls me the most is that he maintains that it wasn't partisan, when it clearly was. There was no mention in his "pastoral response" to the RNC of protection and dignity for the poor and marginalized, or for the importance of charity... even though the Catholic on the ticket cites Ayn Rand (the atheist who promoted selfishness as a moral virtue) as his most important political inspiration.
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Originally posted by Mockingale:
The "prayer" that you pontificated about for 10 minutes was nothing but a "Fuck Democrats, vote Romney" speech in disguise.
Don't even try to pretend that wasn't partisan. You basically said "If you're Catholic, you'd better vote for Romney."
Oh dear. If you think that speech basically said "fuck Democrats, vote for Romney" then I'm thinking maybe I should just go ahead and vote for Romney*.
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There is just the faint possibility here that the good Cardinal came off looking - not as good as he expected/wanted, and the Democrats came off looking religiously tolerant.
Sadly, I doubt it. Biggest complaint I've heard about the speech from most people is that most networks didn't carry it. And Democrats control the media, dontchaknow.
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Originally posted by Mockingale:
I think what galls me the most is that he maintains that it wasn't partisan, when it clearly was. There was no mention in his "pastoral response" to the RNC of protection and dignity for the poor and marginalized, or for the importance of charity...
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Seriously, why would he use the word 'charity' when 'charity' and its existence is one of the big reasons the GOP can't get its head out of its ass?
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even though the Catholic on the ticket cites Ayn Rand (the atheist who promoted selfishness as a moral virtue) as his most important political inspiration.
cite?
You people have no idea how much I hate you for getting me to defend Cardinal frickin Dolan
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Originally posted by saysay:
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Originally posted by Mockingale:
even though the Catholic on the ticket cites Ayn Rand (the atheist who promoted selfishness as a moral virtue) as his most important political inspiration.
cite?
Here. His rhapsodizing on Ayn Rand starts at 1:40, but the killer quote is at 2:35.
ETA: and damn you all for making me listen to nearly a minute of Paul Ryan.
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Thanks.
Am I the only one who thinks
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"The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand.”
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even though the Catholic on the ticket cites Ayn Rand (the atheist who promoted selfishness as a moral virtue) as his most important political inspiration.
Yeah, I know. On the Ship, probably.
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Biggest complaint I've heard about the speech from most people is that most networks didn't carry it. And Democrats control the media, dontchaknow.
If that's the biggest complaint you've heard, you're running with the wrong crowd. But you're right about it being a speech rather than a prayer. Though I'm sure that's generally the case at such gatherings.
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Mockingale
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Thanks.
Am I the only one who thinks
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"The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand.”
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even though the Catholic on the ticket cites Ayn Rand (the atheist who promoted selfishness as a moral virtue) as his most important political inspiration.
Yeah, I know. On the Ship, probably.
Yup. I'm pretty sure if someone says that he credits one philosopher as the reason he entered public service, then that philosopher is his most important political inspiration. I'm not sure where your confusion lies. Perhaps reading and logic are not your strong suits.
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Originally posted by saysay:
Thanks.
Am I the only one who thinks
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"The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand.”
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even though the Catholic on the ticket cites Ayn Rand (the atheist who promoted selfishness as a moral virtue) as his most important political inspiration.
I'm sure you could get a few hairs between those two. Certainly half a hair if you had a sharp razor.
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mousethief
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Only if he has come out later and said, "You know, my most important political inspiration is no longer Ayn Rand, it's now XXX." For some value of XXX not equal to Ayn Rand.
Has he done that? I'll admit to not having memorized everything he's ever said.
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Mockingale
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Only if he has come out later and said, "You know, my most important political inspiration is no longer Ayn Rand, it's now XXX." For some value of XXX not equal to Ayn Rand.
Has he done that? I'll admit to not having memorized everything he's ever said.
I think a couple of weeks ago that he recanted his love for Ayn Rand when confronted by the press with questions about how that squares with his proclaimed Catholic faith. I'm sure that's completely sincere and not a political calculation. Why, overnight he changed his budget plan so that it wasn't a giant "fuck you" to everyone who works for a living.
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If that's the biggest complaint you've heard, you're running with the wrong crowd.
True, that. The poor and unemployed (who are sick to death of being poor and unemployed) totally suck.
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Originally posted by Mockingale:
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Originally posted by saysay:
Thanks.
Am I the only one who thinks
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"The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand.”
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even though the Catholic on the ticket cites Ayn Rand (the atheist who promoted selfishness as a moral virtue) as his most important political inspiration.
Yeah, I know. On the Ship, probably.
Yup. I'm pretty sure if someone says that he credits one philosopher as the reason he entered public service, then that philosopher is his most important political inspiration. I'm not sure where your confusion lies. Perhaps reading and logic are not your strong suits.
Except that as Ayn Rand thought public service was evil, anyone getting involved in it because of what she wrote must be pretty screwed up already.
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Well, yes, there's a reason why, no matter what part of the philosophy turf wars you come from, no matter how acrimonious the little battles between methods and disciplines may be, "Ayn Rand sucks festering monkey balls" will never be a controversial statement.
At this point, Rand isn't even a punchline for philosophers. The fact that people who might be elected ever took her seriously is an endless source of shame to us; had we done our job properly, had we educated our students well, if we had reached the general public at all, she would have found her books pulped at practically the same time her vanity press printed them. She wouldn't even be a footnote to a footnote to history—and the fact that she is is a reminder that we have failed.
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Except that as Ayn Rand thought public service was evil, anyone getting involved in it because of what she wrote must be pretty screwed up already.
Anybody older than about 14 who takes Ayn Rand seriously is pretty screwed up.
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If that's the biggest complaint you've heard, you're running with the wrong crowd.
True, that. The poor and unemployed (who are sick to death of being poor and unemployed) totally suck.
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Originally posted by ken:
Except that as Ayn Rand thought public service was evil, anyone getting involved in it because of what she wrote must be pretty screwed up already.
Anybody older than about 14 who takes Ayn Rand seriously is pretty screwed up.
And that pretty much describes Paul Ryan.
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"You know, my most important political inspiration is no longer Ayn Rand, it's now XXX."
*Cough*
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"You know, my most important political inspiration is no longer Ayn Rand, it's now XXX."
*Cough*
Buncha cheap-ass Democrats spending $50 on a pole dancer where a Republican spends $150. They should be ashamed.
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Except that as Ayn Rand thought public service was evil, anyone getting involved in it because of what she wrote must be pretty screwed up already.
Hey, if you can make it out of the US public education system - where you are not allowed to defend yourself against physical assaults from other students, much less teachers - without being pretty screwed up, more power to you.
But that's OK. It's not like I can read past Genesis without realizing that G-d is likely to demand a literal sacrifice of my children.
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In any event I am voting Democrat because I am in love with Michelle Obama. She is, no doubt, the hottest first lady we have had in quite a while.
I thought it was very cool and sly of Clinton to commend Barack for "having the good sense to marry Michelle Obama."
Wasn't that a nice allusion to his past scandals, over which the Republicans had ground Congress to a halt for months? Like, you can take it from someone notoriously well acquainted with feminine charms. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Glad to see the questions I raised in a recent Purg thread vindicated, although reading the cardinal's benediction, I wasn't that offended. (Actually, I somehow missed hearing it. Was it somewhere between Obama's acceptance speech and the adjourning gavel?) They should have offered the honor to Cardinal Mahoney or O'Malley.
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If that's the biggest complaint you've heard, you're running with the wrong crowd.
True, that. The poor and unemployed (who are sick to death of being poor and unemployed) totally suck.
Only if they're totally stupid.
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If that's the biggest complaint you've heard, you're running with the wrong crowd.
True, that. The poor and unemployed (who are sick to death of being poor and unemployed) totally suck.
Only if they're totally stupid.
Do a lot of people in California secretly want Romney to get elected? Is that what's going on?
Maybe I'll post a poll in the circus or something.
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RuthW
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Obama will take California's 55 electoral votes in a walk.
I don't know why you're asking, though. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. What I was saying is that anyone whose biggest complaint about the cardinal's speech is that it wasn't aired is stupid -- no matter what their employment or economic status is.
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Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. What I was saying is that anyone whose biggest complaint about the cardinal's speech is that it wasn't aired is stupid -- no matter what their employment or economic status is.
No, no, I understood that. I just don't understand how people who didn't see the speech because it wasn't aired can complain about the content when there are so many people waiting for the library's public computers (most of them in order to fill out the required online job applications, some of which are so long that their session times out before they can finish them) that they couldn't even get access to the speech.
But if you think that makes them stupid, keep calling them stupid. It's going to make them more inclined to vote for Romney because they're sick to death of liberal snobs, but whatever.
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I've read that first paragraph a few times and I'm sure there are at least two non sequiturs. But I can't work out what you actually meant to say.
Who is complaining about the speech who didn't see because of the library queues?
(And if they can't get access to the internet then RuthW can call them what she likes on this board, it won't have any impact on their voting).
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RuthW
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saysay, stop being such a passive-aggressive ass.
All you said to begin with is that the biggest complaint you heard about what the cardinal said was that it wasn't aired. You didn't say anything about the poor, the unemployed or those without adequate internet access; you introduced those elements later, trying to make it look like I was slamming those folks.
You're all down with the poor and unemployed? Good for you. But that's got nothing to do with my objections to how Cardinal Dolan managed to get himself "invited" to give the benediction at the DNC and to what he said there.
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But that's got nothing to do with my objections to how Cardinal Dolan managed to get himself "invited" to give the benediction at the DNC and to what he said there.
Fine, what the hell is your objection to what he said there? You're the one who started picking at my post as if not being able to see the speech wasn't a valid complaint for people to have.
I can see why people might object to how Cardinal Dolan managed to get himself "invited", but I can't for the life of me see what the hell was wrong with the comments themselves. Neither can anyone else I've talked to who've managed to see a copy of the text, or any of the people I talked to at church last night or this morning. What rational person using words the ways they are most commonly used thinks that speech basically said 'vote for Romney'?
Sure, Sandra Fluke's speech said 'vote for Romney' but Dolan's?
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You're the one who started picking at my post as if not being able to see the speech wasn't a valid complaint for people to have.
Learn to read for comprehension. I didn't say it wasn't a valid complaint. I said there were bigger things about it to complain about.
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I can see why people might object to how Cardinal Dolan managed to get himself "invited", but I can't for the life of me see what the hell was wrong with the comments themselves.
Praying for the unborn was a way to preach against abortion. Praying for religious liberty was a continuation of the Catholic hierarchy's disagreement with Obama's wanting health insurance to cover contraception -- they made their case against that on the grounds of religious liberty. He prayed that people would respect the "laws of nature and nature's God" because he sees homosexual sex and marriage as contravening those laws.
This isn't that hard to figure out. Lifesitenews.com, a "pro-life," anti-gay purveyor of spin understood perfectly what was being said. Their headline for this: "Cardinal Dolan's pro-life, pro-family prayer rocks the Democratic convention."
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Originally posted by RuthW:
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. What I was saying is that anyone whose biggest complaint about the cardinal's speech is that it wasn't aired is stupid -- no matter what their employment or economic status is.
No, no, I understood that. I just don't understand how people who didn't see the speech because it wasn't aired can complain about the content when there are so many people waiting for the library's public computers (most of them in order to fill out the required online job applications, some of which are so long that their session times out before they can finish them) that they couldn't even get access to the speech.
But if you think that makes them stupid, keep calling them stupid. It's going to make them more inclined to vote for Romney because they're sick to death of liberal snobs, but whatever.
Mindblowingly evasive. "Well, uh, when I said that people I hang out with all think like I do, and you called them stupid, what I meant was that I was at the library helping poor defenseless people, so you're a librul snob. Nyeh."
Fuck off.
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I am constantly amazed that some expect a senior US Prince of the Church to pray otherwise than in the language of his Church - code words and all.
What did they want?
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RuthW
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I am constantly amazed that some expect a senior US Prince of the Church to pray otherwise than in the language of his Church - code words and all.
Oh, please. It was a speech only barely disguised as a prayer, and he was only there because the Democrats handled the whole thing badly in the first place -- they should have had someone lined up to deliver the benediction long before Cardinal Dolan "offered" to do it so they could have said, "Thanks, we've got it covered already."
What constantly amazes me is that people like Cardinal Dolan think they're going to win people over to their way of thinking with this kind of maneuvering.
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