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Newsnewsnewsnewsnews!!
Our Camera Club is taking part, with 34 other camera clubs and photographic societies, in an annual competition at the Lancashire and Cheshire Photographic Union. Each club puts in four photos - and my photo Rainy Day is one of them.
I am WAY beyond excited!!
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Very cool, Boogie!
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Good luck Boogie and whatever happens, have fun!
I've decided to get into night and low-light photography, as I now leave for work in the dark and come home in the dark (it's going to be that way pretty much until the clocks change back in the spring). So there isn't really much option, but I'm quite enjoying it. It's a kind of enhanced monochrome, with some interesting effects that you can't easily get in daylight.
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Funnily enough, as my G10 is currently in dock, I will be modelling for low light portraiture for the University Photographic Society on Thursday night...
(£104 fixed fee - ouch, any second fault and I think it will be the end of it's days...)
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That's a great picture, Boogie
Tonight's Camera Club competition was Architecture, and my photo, Warp Drive managed to win First Place !
I am officially Chuffed to Bits™ especially as I thought my other entry, Political Views (it's the Scottish Parliament Building) had a better chance.
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Ye couldna' give any more, Jim!
That is a really well-spotted abstract, I like it most muchly.
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not sure which abstract you are applauding - I cannot claim any credit for the parliament one, it is one of the many "stopping off places" on this Tour which I would heartily recommend to anyone interested in Photography who is in or coming to Edinburgh, especially as vouchers for reduced price often come up on Groupon or LivingSocial. If you look at some of the "visitor photos" for his tour reviews on Trip Advisor you can see other people's attempts at the same shot - I cheated a little with Photoshop to get the verticals straight, as the actual shot was taken at quite an angle to the building
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Very nice shots, WK. Congrats on the win.
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Originally posted by Wet Kipper:
not sure which abstract you are applauding
The warp drive one. I assume it's a stairwell lit by a central pole, but I'm sure James Doohan would feel right at home in it!
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I love this thread! It's especially wonderful to see your photos!
Congratulations to Boogie and Wet Kipper...you are amazingly talented!
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I'm off to a woodwork show today for hours - and my interest will last about 10 minutes. So - a nice chance for some street/people photography.
Any tips?
(I'm going to take my DSLR)
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northy finds a good vantage point and just snaps.
Three links is probably enough for the Heaven hosts, although Ariel might be interested
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Boogie
Look a bit wider than people photography, there should be wood with interesting grain in it and also woodwork tools. Perhaps look for a stall that is not busy with something interesting to photograph, talk to the owner, they may well be willing to allow you to move things around to create a better composition especially if you promise them a copy of any decent photographs for their own use in publicity material.
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Three links is probably enough for the Heaven hosts, although Ariel might be interested
Three links is plenty, thanks. The last one links to a private page.
Street photography isn't something I've wanted to get into, myself. I'm not against it completely, some of it can be good and harmless but there is a lot of stuff around (mostly done without the subject's knowledge or consent) which I feel is in questionable taste.
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I follow a lot of street photographers on Flickr and those I follow are respectful of their subjects, aiming to document events or places. I don't tend to find those uncomfortable unless it feels as if they have revealed too much.
However, I have seen some really unkind street / candid photography, along with denigrating commentary. There was a group on 365 that did this.
Sorry about the last one, it's probably that I'm a member of that group.
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Thanks for all the tips (I read them on my smart phone in the car on the way). Everyone was really friendly, it was great to be surrounded by good natured northerners. I took 1000s of shots and enjoyed it very much.
This was the best of them, I think.
You are never bored with a camera.
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That really is excellent - a beautifully colour-coordinated shot, perfect shutter speed, looks like an illustration in a magazine.
I'm very impressed by the hat. I wouldn't have guessed that was wood.
ETA no, you're never bored when you have a camera ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Street photography present a major dilemma for me. The subjects I am interested most in, street people, are the most exploitable. One can ask, of course, but the candid nature of an unaware subject is more likely to give the result I want. Yet I feel tremendous guilt doing so. As a result, I rarely indulge. I am not passing any blanket judgement on street photography, mind, just my hesitations.
Cool shot, Boogie.
Ditto on the hat.
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Cool shot Boogie - and fun wooden hat
Yes, totally agree about not being bored with a camera, and also about street people. I don't think I've ever put a shot up of a street person, or taken one for similar reasons, and I've worked with some and could have asked. Someone on 365 went on to do an exhibition of street people photography to raise money for them. (Very heavily processed with HDR from Venice Beach mostly, I didn't like them enough to follow her.)
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Have I asked the tripod question yet? - I want a really good tripod which can get any angle, low for macro etc.
Any ideas?
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Boogie,
Look for something which has a removable center column or no center column at all. This will allow low angles. Alternately, the can be another threaded post on the bottom of the column, but this means hanging the camera upside down which can be a bit awkward. The tripod should have a minimum height listed. Look at the load capacity, it should exceed the maximum weight of your heaviest lens/camera combination.
I recommend buying from a shop as you can test the tripod. Set it up and twist the head. It should have no rotation on a heavy tripod and minimal on a very light one. If you buy online, look for a model with a lot of reviews.
Sirui, Manfrotto, Bogen, Benro, Slik, Gitzo are brands of quality.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Have I asked the tripod question yet? - I want a really good tripod which can get any angle, low for macro etc.
Yes, you did, on the previous page when you were talking about your new macro lens, but we got more into that than the tripod.
I started off with a tripod on offer at Jessops for about £20, which does me nicely for most things but sturdy it is not - I wouldn't risk it in more than a light breeze. However, there does seem to be a bit of a trade-off between sturdiness and weight and I did pick it with lightness in mind. It's a factor to consider if you're going to be walking around with it in a bag over your shoulder for a while.
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If you go carbon fibre, you can split the difference between study and light, but not for anywhere near £20.
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It's long... it's thick... it's black... it's hard... and it's MINE!
I've been after a really good long lens for a while so I can do birdies and cricket, and finally gave up on waiting for a decent job and blew a chunk of savings on one. I am now the proud owner of a Nikon 400mm prime lens which should be more than long enough. Even better, being Nikon, assuming they don't change wholesale to a new mount, it should mount to any Nikon DSLR I care to get in the future (given my stack of Nikon lenses, anything I buy DSLR wise is likely to be Nikon whatever).
Now I just need some decent light - it's gloomier here than a wet week at the Sunny View Home for Miserable Bastards.
Preciousssss, my preciousssss!
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In a similar, but markedly cheaper, and with less innuendo, rush of blood to the head, I also bought a Vest Pocket Kodak from Ebay - I've always wanted a lazy-tongs VPK and, if 127 film has met it's end this year, I'm going to shoot with one while I still have some 127 left!
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Very cool, AG. Really like both of those.
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The VPK has arrived, and it is lovely! For it's age it's in quite decent nick and it even till has the little stylus for Autographic film, which are like hen's teeth. The viewfinder is awful and needs a clean or a new mirror ,but I can't wait to load her up!
In other news, I have a text and an email form Canon telling me that my digital is on the way back. Pity the conditions are ideal right now...
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Thanks for all the tripod advice - I am keeping it all in mind as I do some happy hunting.
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Strangely the little bendy legged mini-tripod thingy I bought for very little a few years ago happily supports my 750 gramme Fujifilm whereas the more expensive mini-tripod with extendable legs collapses under the strain. I am also a great fan of my monopod.
In other news the photos I took on my recent UK trip are pretty much universally duds, snaps more than photos.
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Now then, Santa wants to give me a photography related pressie. Which do I choose from the following.
a) A decent flashgun which will work off camera
b) Photoshop
c) A 50mm lens
(All very similar prices as I get photoshop cheap for being a teacher)
Decisions, decisions!
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Which would you find the most useful?
I have no idea! I'm very much a beginner in the photography game.
I would love all three (of course!) but Santa can't run to that just yet.
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If you don't have a 50mm lens I'd suggest that. They're versatile, light and easy, and you won't regret it. Especially if it goes down to something like a 1.8 and you can do low-light and portraits with it.
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Assuming that you don't have a full-frame DSLR, a "nifty 50" is going to be quite a nice length for portraits, allowing you to stand back a bit and not be up your subject's nose, and a 50mm prime lens is likely to give better image quality than a variable zoom (though I'm led to believe that the technology is pretty good these days, so that may be less of an issue).
I would find out how much of Photoshop you'll actually need before you use it - you may be able to use things like Lightroom, or even software with the camera eg Canon's DPP to do a lot of things. I'd put that last on your list, and the flashgun in the middle.
AG
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I would say photoshop. When I have a moment, I will post examples to show why, but I will attempt an explanation.
The Straight Out Of The Camera (SOOC) people drive me mad.
First, there are so many decisions from the film world which are taken away in the digital world, decisions that affect creativity. Photoshop allows you to take some of that back.
Second, most of the admired masters of outdoor photography* used the darkroom as an integral part of the creative process. If you walked into Ansel Adams' darkroom with one of his negatives, you would find it difficult to reproduce his final print.
Third, if you wish to move beyond representational photography, photoshop is a wonderfully creative medium.
Now, CK may mention Gimp, and it is a good tool. But photoshop is not only much easier to use, but soooo much more powerful. Adobe now offer their software on a lease basis as well.
*much indoor photography as well, but lighting can do sooo much.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Now, CK may mention Gimp, and it is a good tool. But photoshop is not only much easier to use, but soooo much more powerful.
Photoshop can be a steep learning curve. I thought I was prepared for it after getting to know Paint Shop Pro well, but I wasn't. In all honesty I can't describe it as user-friendly.
It's certainly very powerful (though it is an editing program, not a graphics creation one, essentially: if you want that, you want Illustrator). But it is complex so be prepared for it to take some time to get your head around it.
If your main use will be to edit photos, Lightroom would probably be more suitable as it's written with that in mind, where Photoshop is aimed more at graphic designers who are working towards commercial printing. You can get some great results from Lightroom (it comes with special effects you don't get in Photoshop) and it's less expensive. A lot of the people on 365 seem to have Lightroom and some of them have produced extremely good stuff.
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Ariel,
ISTM the divide between Photoshop and Lightroom is not between designers and photographers. I see the difference as between photographers who (in a darkroom) would burn, dodge, use filters, experiment with exposure, chemicals, masks, multiple exposures and those who would walk in, print with minimal adjustments, and leave. Not that Lightroom is not a wonderful tool, it is. It is simply limited. Ansel Adams would have used Photoshop over Lightroom.
Here is a link to some examples. Password:sof123
The beach flare and the sea cave are HDR, three exposure, images for which I used the Nik HDR plug-in in Photoshop in my final images.
The Beach flare Initial image shows what a single exposure from the camera results in. Then the desaturated version of that image. The final is HDR, two passes, with the results of the passes layered and with partial erasure and translucency of the top layer.
The Sea Cave Single is just that; an SOOC image. The Sea Cave HDR is a straight out of the plug-in HDR. The final image is HDR with much burning and dodging and a tiny amount of layering in two very small areas.
The Eye Initial is an SOOC image. There is then the straight desaturated image, followed by a levels adjustment and contrast adjustment. These can be done in Lightroom. I did not take multiple exposures of this shot. I did process the Raw image with two different sets of adjustment. I then layered the adjustments, erased parts and adjusted the transparencies.
These are images of extreme contrast, something I do not think one could manage in Lightroom.
MASSIVE DISCLAIMERS:
1. I've much to learn in all parts of the process, camera to print. I do not claim my images in any way equal Ansel Adams'. He is who I aspire to in my wild, fevered dreams.
2. I am not claiming my final images are better than any other possible result, just they are closer to that which I am attempting to achieve.
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Thank you so much for all your thoughts. I have decided to go for photoshop first and start some serious saving up for the rest.
The full CS6 version is 1/3 the price for teachers and students - big difference!
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I know. I'm stuck with Photoshop 5 and can't find an affordable upgrade. By which I mean Photoshop 6 or 7, but they don't seem to be around any more.
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Adobe are Bastards! I was going to suggest the Creative Cloud version, but they do not offer that for photoshop as a stand-alone.
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I thought the lease system sounded hopeful until I looked at that and realized that it means that you pay a monthly subscription for as long as you want to use the software. In 14 months you could have paid what it could cost to buy the complete package anyway.
Oh well. Photoshop 5 still works, anyhow, and does what I want it to do.
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I went credit-card happy when I was away this week and got a Circular Polarising Filter and a pukka, but not high end, flash gun - I also bought a better memory card [Class 10]. The joy of shadowless flash photography! The flash worked out at under 60 quid - there was one a third the price but it was VERY limited.
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That's lovely, lilBuddha! I wish I had the patience for that sort of thing...
I can't claim anything as good, but perhaps shiply snappers would like the same picture as all my friends got on their cards?
Merry Christmas everyone! May you be correctly exposed, and properly developed in 2013!
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Thank you.
I love the way the snow accents the pattern of the branches on your shot.
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I gifted three of my photos this Christmas. I am mortified that I have done so.
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New thread started for the new year.
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