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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
As a rule over my years on the Ship I have been more a denizen of Hell than an inhabitant of Heaven.

But I have to come clean. In the last few months I have gone over to the dark side and become a Trekker.

It started with Voyager and the Season 3 episode "Sacred Ground". I was hooked. Since then I've been in the process of acquiring all the series. (It's a bit tragic really: I've watched the 7 seasons of Voyager through about 4-5 times.) And today the Star Trek (2009) dvd arrived.

I am bubbling over with enthusiasm: I thoroughly enjoyed this relaunch/remake of the original Star Trek, and I CAN'T WAIT for its sequel to come out next year.

Any other shipmates who confess to be Trekkers or Trekkies?

[ 06. November 2012, 00:36: Message edited by: jedijudy ]
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
Lieutenant LeRoc signing in. But shouldn't the thread title be 'Trekkers of the galaxy unite'? [Biased]

My favourites are TNG and DS9, but I also like TOS and VOY (I just shut my eyes whenever Neelix comes into the screen). I haven't been able to see much of ENT.

(Translation for non-Trekkies:
TOS: The Old Series
TNG: The Next Generation
DS9: Deep Space 9
VOY: Voyager
ENT: Enterprise)
 
Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :
 
I started with the original series, and think that the lack of CGI makes for a better series, the writers have to work harder.

any other TOSsers out there?
 
Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
Lieutenant LeRoc signing in. But shouldn't the thread title be 'Trekkers of the galaxy unite'? [Biased]
My bad. Of course! Could a friendly host please change the thread title?

[Friendly Host reporting in! [Biased]
I have made it so.
jedijudy
Heaven Host]

quote:


My favourites are TNG and DS9, but I also like TOS and VOY (I just shut my eyes whenever Neelix comes into the screen). I haven't been able to see much of ENT.

(Translation for non-Trekkies:
TOS: The Old Series
TNG: The Next Generation
DS9: Deep Space 9
VOY: Voyager
ENT: Enterprise)
TOS is The Original Series


I have a weakness for VOY - and I lost my dislike for Neelix after watching the whole series through from the beginning. Doing that made sense of his character, and shows how he develops and changes as the other characters do. (There was a time I simply wouldn't watch an episode in which he featured.) Currently building a model of the USS Voyager, complete with lighting.

[ 06. November 2012, 00:54: Message edited by: jedijudy ]
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
quote:
Nunc Dimittis: TOS is The Original Series
I cover my pointy ears in shame [Hot and Hormonal]
 
Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :
 
K'plah! (Klingon greeting, literally I believe, 'what do you want?)

Everything I ever needed to know, I learned from StarTrek. Further, I've based most of my life decisions with the simple rubric "what would Picard do?" If I'm in a more aggressive mood, I change that to Kirk, rip up my shirt, and fight with someone.

The most important thing in any scene of your life is not to be a red shirt.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
no prophet:
quote:
If I'm in a more aggressive mood, I change that to Kirk, rip up my shirt, and fight with someone.
...and then, of course, bang a hose-head babe. [Snigger]

Personally my heart belongs to Picard. [Axe murder]

But my actual favorite series was DS9. It was pretty complex and I really liked the whole Bajoran politics/religion/Prophets story line plus the voyage of self-discovery of Odo, the shape shifter.
 
Posted by moron (# 206) on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB3uVARNhmM
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Now that's just evil.
 
Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Now that's just evil.
You might also enjoy this one by Spock.

Legend of Bilbo Baggins by Spock [Cool]
 
Posted by Lord Jestocost (# 12909) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
You might also enjoy this one by Spock.

Legend of Bilbo Baggins by Spock [Cool]
For given values of "might" and "enjoy".
 
Posted by Trudy Scrumptious (# 5647) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
Further, I've based most of my life decisions with the simple rubric "what would Picard do?"
As long as we're tossing around YouTube links,
you're not the only one who uses that as their moral compass.

I agree you won't go far wrong asking yourself WWCPD? Voyager and DS9 are actually my favourite series, though.
 
Posted by ArachnidinElmet (# 17346) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
But my actual favorite series was DS9. It was pretty complex and I really liked the whole Bajoran politics/religion/Prophets story line plus the voyage of self-discovery of Odo, the shape shifter.
Hear, hear. Although I've watched all series through to about Series 3 Voyager (Neelix did it for me I'm afraid ). I think the writing was a bit more consistent, and if something's going to last 7 series, that matters.
TOS is a bit of an enigma to me though. I was a kid when I saw the series in repeats and alot of it passed me by.
 
Posted by Panda (# 2951) on :
 
For me too, I think DS9 was mostly the best series - it had that darker edge of dealing with the Bajoran occupation and the Dominion, and the questions over who actually ran the place - Sisko or Odo. It got a bit odd when Gul Dukat (I think) began thinking he was a prophet or similar, but I may be mis-remembering...
 
Posted by Bene Gesserit (# 14718) on :
 
I never really saw DS9, it just seemed to pass me by. It's next Gen or Voyager for me.
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
I can't claim to be a Trekker, but my husband is a fan going back to his impressionable teenage years watching TOS, so I've watched a lot of its various incarnations (and films) with him over the years.

I will say that "Darmok" is one of my favorite episodes of any TV show, ever.

Also that we went to see this last Christmas and it was awesome.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Mamacita:
quote:
I will say that "Darmok" is one of my favorite episodes of any TV show, ever.
Yes, yes, YES! Splendid, touching, and so well acted. It really examined a classic sf type subject: how do people from cultures with totally different references bridge the gaps? The answer was dramatically successful.

Another from TNG that got me here [Tear] was "The Measure of a Man", where Starfleet tried to claim Data as property, without sentient rights. The hearing where they argued over the legality of the matter was pretty damned good for a treatment in a fifty minute long episode.
 
Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :
 
Darmok is a great episode. Hmm, he wonders, could we have a Circus thread telling current event using Bible parallels, like the Tamarians? --"Jacob and Esau with Isaac, their arms hairy" is?**

But my favourite STNG episode is probly The Inner Light. Picard is on the bridge, struck by a probe's beam and lives an entire lifetime on a world destroyed centuries earlier. He is married, has children, is a grandfather.

While we're on youtube, youtube has Steam Trek, which is Star Trek done as a silent movie. I don't know where some people get all of their time! (But I like them.)

**Obama and Romeny waiting for their polling results. (okay that was a poor try, but is this worth doing?)
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
I think I was about fourteen when TOS started broadcasting. What a breath of fresh air! My first big crush was Mr. Spock!

The following series have each been different and well-made. (Another Darmok fan here!)

Oh, for those who are wondering, I am ambi-Star-ous.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
I think I was about fourteen when TOS started broadcasting. What a breath of fresh air! My first big crush was Mr. Spock!

The following series have each been different and well-made. (Another Darmok fan here!)

Oh, for those who are wondering, I am ambi-Star-ous.
Man, I wish I'd had that tee-shirt for the past year. (Where is the covetous smilie when you need it?)
 
Posted by Barefoot Friar (# 13100) on :
 
ST:TNG man here. My favorite episodes were 525 "The Inner Light" and 610 and 611 "Chain of Command Part I and II".

I never could get into ST:VOY, and I didn't see very much of ST:DS9 -- although I liked what I saw.

I liked the movies best, even the bad ones. I enjoyed "The Undiscovered Country" and "Generations" probably the most. My younger brother and I went to see "Nemesis" in the theater on opening night (the only time I've ever done that) and enjoyed that, too.

As far as fan fiction, I've read a whole lot of it. I can quote parts of "I, Q".

I think of all the characters, the ones whom I liked best were Spock and Data. I liked Geordi LaForge because we watched Reading Rainbow a lot, and Captain Picard was a great character, too. But Spock and Data both were interesting to me in a way the others weren't.
 
Posted by Barefoot Friar (# 13100) on :
 
Wodder's location in his profile is a Star Trek movie quote... The end of The Search for Spock, I think. It's taken from Peter Pan, though.

[ 06. November 2012, 02:48: Message edited by: Barefoot Friar ]
 
Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on :
 
My favorite episode is Far Beyond The Stars which adds some complexity and reference to the series.

At this point, about all I want to see is a live Kingon Grand Opera ( I understand there's one being done in Holland) and perhaps a sit com set on Feregenar
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
Best. Star Trek. Movie. Ever.
Sorry, that was second best.
This one is the best.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Another DS9 fan here. I also seem to be one of the few ENT fans - I like the whole building up of the "mythology". I could never really get emotionally involved in VOY for some reason. I enjoyed TOS as a kid, but as an adult it all seems a bit wooden, with the exception of a couple of the feature films.

TNG improved as it went on. Maybe as it left Roddenberry's influence behind it was freer to be a bit more grown-up. I hated any episode with Q in it. He really, REALLY irritated me.
 
Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
I am intrigued by the thought that Hamlet has been translated into - and performed - in Klingon.
 
Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
I think my favourite episode of TOS is Metamorphosis, in which Kirk and co are stranded on a planet where they meet the hero Zephram Cochrane, who's been there 150 years sustained by a creature of light (the Companion). Bones observes, on seeing the creature communicating with Cochrane by means of enveloping him in itself, "That looks like love to me." And the creature, through communication with Kirk, comes to realise the only way to express its (her) love for Cochrane is to become human, thus giving up her immortality.
 
Posted by comet (# 10353) on :
 
probably not surprising to those who know me, but I love the ST universe.

TNG girl, all the way. I think my thing for bald guys started with Picard. Holy hotness. I've always been pretty sure I'm a crossed Klingon and Betazoid who's just been displaced. it's really the only explanation.

I also enjoyed Voyager for the most part, though it was bumpy at points. I think that doctor was the best, though it's a tight race with McCoy. I'm also a big fan of B'Elanna, I could always relate to her inner conflicts. Warf was awesome, but just so... pure klingon. a little too stiff. He really came out of his shell on DS9 - but otherwise, that show didn't do much for me.

I've not seen more than an episode or 2 of "Enterprise" - for some reason it left me cold.
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:

But my favourite STNG episode is probly The Inner Light. Picard is on the bridge, struck by a probe's beam and lives an entire lifetime on a world destroyed centuries earlier. He is married, has children, is a grandfather.
this is definitely my favorite episode of all the series and all the shows. I admit it, I cried.
 
Posted by Chapelhead (# 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:
I am intrigued by the thought that Hamlet has been translated into - and performed - in Klingon.
Translated from the original Klingon, surely.
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
We recently (well, last year) bought TOS on DVD and watched the lot from start to finish (over several months, I hasten to add, not back to back). It holds up surprisingly well for something that was made nearly 50 years ago. Yes, the miniskirts are awful, Uhura gets almost nothing to do, the way the aliens always zap the nameless redshirt first (giving the rest of the landing party time to escape) is silly. And that episode where McCoy makes fun of Spock for being 'illogical' when what he actually did was take a calculated risk (which paid off, or he wouldn't be alive to tell the tale) is just ludicrous.

It's still my favourite. I like some episodes of TNG (except Troi is really, REALLY irritating), never got into Voyager, didn't like DS9.

And I too had a crush on Spock when I was a teenager, but Isaac Asimov is wrong. We girls don't like him (just) because he's clever. It's because he's unavailable, unlike James T. 'Girl in Every Episode' Kirk, who is, well, slightly icky.

I probably don't count as a real Trekkie though - I think Galaxyquest is funny [Two face]

[ 06. November 2012, 08:46: Message edited by: Jane R ]
 
Posted by Trudy Scrumptious (# 5647) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:

I probably don't count as a real Trekkie though - I think Galaxyquest is funny [Two face]
I've never known any Trekkie who didn't think Galaxy Quest was both hilarious and spot-on.
 
Posted by beatmenace (# 16955) on :
 
I loved DS9 - watched end to end its particularly effective, as it has a 7 series story arc which was quite unusual at the time.

Ron Moores involvement in DS9 also makes me see it, in hindsight, as it a bit of a dry run for the 'big ideas' in the 'Battlestar Galactica' remake which I also adore.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:

I probably don't count as a real Trekkie though - I think Galaxyquest is funny [Two face]
I've never known any Trekkie who didn't think Galaxy Quest was both hilarious and spot-on.
Much as I cringe at the label, I qualify as a Trekkie. ISTM, only a fan of Trek could completely appreciate either GQ or Trekkies.
TOS is the best. TNG had its moments and I love some of the characters, but overall too plastic and sterile. DS9, at least for the first seasons, ranks nearly as high as TOS for me.
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
quote:
Lyda*Rose: Personally my heart belongs to Picard. [Axe murder]
I have a different favourite...

quote:
Panda: For me too, I think DS9 was mostly the best series - it had that darker edge of dealing with the Bajoran occupation and the Dominion, and the questions over who actually ran the place - Sisko or Odo.
Same here.

quote:
Panda: It got a bit odd when Gul Dukat (I think) began thinking he was a prophet or similar, but I may be mis-remembering...
There was something with this guy, wasn't there?

quote:
Mamacita: I will say that "Darmok" is one of my favorite episodes of any TV show, ever.
Strangely, I haven't seen that one, although I know its contents. What did you like about it? The philosophizing about language?

quote:
Lyda*Rose: Another from TNG that got me here [Tear] was "The Measure of a Man", where Starfleet tried to claim Data as property, without sentient rights. The hearing where they argued over the legality of the matter was pretty damned good for a treatment in a fifty minute long episode.
To be honest, that theme has been pounded on a gazillion times in SF books already, but I like how it is treated here. Picard in human (and robot!) rights lawyer
mode is always fun to watch.

quote:
prophet: But my favourite STNG episode is probly The Inner Light. Picard is on the bridge, struck by a probe's beam and lives an entire lifetime on a world destroyed centuries earlier. He is married, has children, is a grandfather.
Yes, that was very moving to me. What would it be like to live a lifetime in just a couple of hours?
 
Posted by Meerkat (# 16117) on :
 
Ask a mayfly lol [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Chapelhead (# 21) on :
 
Like many others I grew up with TOS. Having seen many episodes at home, I well remember seeing the programme at a friend's house for the first time and discovering, to my great surprise, that the crew had a range of different coloured shirts!

I also really liked TNG and loved DS9, but I never got into VOY or ENT.


TOS - to boldly go where no man has gone before.
TNG - to boldly go where everyone has been before.
DS9 - to boldly stay exactly where we are.
VOY - to boldly get back to where we used to be.
ENT - to boldly get to where we started out from.
 
Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :
 
As a teen in the 90's, I devoured The Next Generation.

Learnt much of my ethics from it (pre - Christianity)

<tangent - how Christian is Star Trek ethically?>

Still enjoy the movies as they come out on big screen.
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
quote:
Meerkat: Ask a mayfly lol [Big Grin]
[Smile] But not on the day that we switch to DST, because he'll live even shorter!
 
Posted by Gill H (# 68) on :
 
The TNG ep I keep thinking of is the one with 'the game' which they all get hooked on.

There's a very funny YouTube clip somewhere which suggests it's Angry Birds ... oh, so true.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
I liked the movies best, even the bad ones. I enjoyed "The Undiscovered Country" and "Generations" probably the most. My younger brother and I went to see "Nemesis" in the theater on opening night (the only time I've ever done that) and enjoyed that, too.
I think I went to all the opening nights of all the movies. Well, except 'ST: The Movie'. Otherwise known as 'Where Nomad Has Gone Before'. [Roll Eyes]

Leaving 'The Wrath of Khan', I was bawling my eyes out because Spock was dead. My ex was gleeful. "He's dead, Spock is dead and I'm glad."

Spock is alive again, and my ex is gone. [Snigger]
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
quote:
Mamacita: I will say that "Darmok" is one of my favorite episodes of any TV show, ever.
Strangely, I haven't seen that one, although I know its contents. What did you like about it? The philosophizing about language?
Oh, let me count the ways. [Biased] Certainly for its take on the uses and limits of language (being a bit of a language geek myself). Just the sheer idea of a culture that communicates through metaphor and without verbs. I loved how, while Troi and Data were trawling through the Federation's database trying to crack the code, Picard was down there on the ground with nothing but his experience and intuition -- and figured it out. I loved the humanity and sense of honor in both Captains. How the Tamarian captain gave Picard a burning branch to start his own fire (while up above, Worf and Riker were arguing about how aggressively to respond). How, after the battle with the beast, Picard relates part of the Gilgamesh saga to the dying Tamarian captain who wants Picard to tell him a story. All the layers of myth and metaphor used in the episode. (How that all flows together, you'll need to see the episode.) And most of all, the Tamarian captain's self-sacrifice in order to bring reconciliation between their two worlds. Now *that's* a metaphor!
 
Posted by Eigon (# 4917) on :
 
On tor.com they're reviewing every episode of TNG at the moment, and they're just up to the fun one where Troi ends up taking over a Romulan ship. It's been very interesting looking at each episode in turn and remembering (or not) what I thought of them at the time.
I grew up with TOS, and while my sister was dealing with difficult situations by giving a "Paddington stare", I was trying to act like a Vulcan. When I was about seven I spent a lot of time practicing two things - how to do a Vulcan salute, and how to say Ilya Kuriakin! (The neck pinch never worked on my sister, though.)
I'm another fan of Darmok - and I also love the alternate universe DS9 episodes which are pretty much Blake's Seven done with a bigger budget! Kira is Servalan, of course, and Sisko is Blake, with O'Brien as Vila.
I used to write ST fan fiction, too.
 
Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mamacita:
I will say that "Darmok" is one of my favorite episodes of any TV show, ever.
"Darmok" was the first episode of TNG I saw. It stopped me in my tracks and made me go "wow". Serious, thoughtful writing, nicely filmed and beautifully acted. Unfortunately, I've never seen another TNG episode that quite lives up to it, although some recurring themes such as Data's humanity are always worth watching.

I'm more a Voyager man myself. I think the crew are the most consistently watchable ensemble out of all of them. There are plenty of episodes that are excellent and endlessly rewatchable - Think Tank and Counterpoint being among my favourites.

And I want to be Capt. Janeway when I grow up.
 
Posted by Amika (# 15785) on :
 
I grew up with TOS and James T. Kirk was my hero. That hasn't changed [Smile] . I also like TNG and VOY. I didn't watch a lot of DS9 (couldn't bear the Ferengi, mainly) and thought ENT started off well but fizzled out - I had stopped watching it long before the end. I love Galaxy Quest too and watch it whenever I need cheering up.

My fave TOS episodes include Devil in the Dark, The Enemy Within, Mirror, Mirror, and City on the Edge of Forever. For TNG I would include Yesterday's Enterprise, The Offspring, Darmok, and 11001001. Most of my TNG faves are in the first three series. I didn't like it so much after that, although there are some notable exceptions such as Darmok.

I miss that world I used to inhabit of Star Trek conventions every couple of years - I haven't been to one for almost 20 years now.
 
Posted by Amika (# 15785) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gill H:
The TNG ep I keep thinking of is the one with 'the game' which they all get hooked on.
Oh yes, that's one of my favourite episodes due to its 'sinister' overtones. There are not many TNG episodes like it.
 
Posted by Amika (# 15785) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
I think I went to all the opening nights of all the movies. Well, except 'ST: The Movie'. Otherwise known as 'Where Nomad Has Gone Before'. [Roll Eyes]
Sadly I did go to the London premiere of ST-TMP, and watched it surrounded by fellow Trekkers. After all that build-up, I think many of us felt a huge sense of anti-climax.
 
Posted by Timothy the Obscure (# 292) on :
 
I was a big TOS fan (I even participated in the letter-writing campaign that saved it from cancellation after the second season). TNG left me cold, though I may get it from NetFlix and try again one of these days; I discovered DS9 about halfway through, and after initially dismissing it as soap opera became an addict--it's probably the best of the shows, mostly because it broke out of the "Wagon Train to the Stars" box and was able to use the SF frame to deal with a full range of characters and situations. I loved VOY too, and Janeway is my favorite captain. I knew ENT was going to be a loser as soon as I heard that sappy theme song.
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
Jedijudy:
quote:
Leaving 'The Wrath of Khan', I was bawling my eyes out because Spock was dead.
So was I, but I wish they hadn't made 'The Search For Spock'. They give him a great death scene, where he nobly lays down his life for the good of the rest of the crew... could have done without the bagpipes at the funeral, but let it pass... and THEN in the very next film he picks it up again, after a lot of handwaving and several other deaths of people who are unimportant enough to stay dead. And the Vulcans are revealed as ordinary American-style materialists after all, when Spock's father says 'bugger logic, I want my son alive again'. Yes, it's a great moment and I thought it was very moving - but the Vulcans are supposed to be aliens with a completely different value system, FFS!

As I said earlier, I love Spock. But I think the scriptwriters should have stuck to their guns and left him dead, even if that meant doing without him in all the rest of the films...

(your ex sounds like a real jerk, btw - you're well rid of him)
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:

As I said earlier, I love Spock. But I think the scriptwriters should have stuck to their guns and left him dead, even if that meant doing without him in all the rest of the films...
I agree, yet I saw those films after. As well as all three of the Star Wars prequels whose names shall never be mentioned.
They care not we say no with our mouths as long as we say yes with our wallets. So shame on us.
 
Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
As I said earlier, I love Spock. But I think the scriptwriters should have stuck to their guns and left him dead, even if that meant doing without him in all the rest of the films...
And miss lines like
quote:
They are not the hell your whales
No!
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
C'mon, Adeodatus. Somebody else would have said them. Maybe not as well, but the same point would have been made.

If my emotions are going to be played on as a stringed instrument I want the Tragic Event to mean something. I don't want to go to the next film and discover that it was all an elaborate April Fool.

I'm obviously in a minority though, because as lilBuddha points out the subsequent films did rather well at the box office.
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
C'mon, Adeodatus. Somebody else would have said them. Maybe not as well, but the same point would have been made.
That's kind of like saying that any of the Star Wars characters could have delivered the line
quote:
When 900 years you reach, look as good, you will not.
You need the context, the intonation, everything about the character delivering the line. The point of
quote:
They are not the hell your whales
was Spock's confusion and dismay over the extensive use of "colorful language" (I think that's what he called it) in late 20th-century America, and his awkward attempts to blend in socially by sprinkling his speech with them. Nobody else could have pulled that off precisely because it was not only part of his character development in ST IV but part of his overarching character narrative as he interacts with the human species throughout the franchise. (Sorry to make so much of this, but Adeodatus' post cracked me up.)

[ 08. November 2012, 21:00: Message edited by: Mamacita ]
 
Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
What they should have done was not kill Spock in the first place. They could've got rid of Chekhov or Sulu, or portrayed McCoy's gradual decline following his addiction to one of those colourful liquids in bottles he used to keep in the sick bay. A haunted, haggard figure stalking the darker decks of the Enterprise, every fibre of his being crying out for the next hypospray, he mutters incoherently to himself, only occasionally saying something intelligible like, "Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a winged giraffe!"

After his death, they could've made Star Trek III: the Search for Someone to Make Mildly Racist Remarks About Spock.
 
Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
What they should have done was not kill Spock in the first place. They could've got rid of Chekhov or Sulu, or portrayed McCoy's gradual decline following his addiction to one of those colourful liquids in bottles he used to keep in the sick bay. A haunted, haggard figure stalking the darker decks of the Enterprise, every fibre of his being crying out for the next hypospray, he mutters incoherently to himself, only occasionally saying something intelligible like, "Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a winged giraffe!"

After his death, they could've made Star Trek III: the Search for Someone to Make Mildly Racist Remarks About Spock.
I really really wish the Ship had a "Like" button.

I'm with you Adeodatus. In fact, I'm very happy Spock came back.

What I am wondering about is how the destruction of Vulcan in Star Trek (2009) is going to affect the Trek universe... I really enjoyed that movie, but am not sure I quite buy the "alternative time line" thing.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
(your ex sounds like a real jerk, btw - you're well rid of him)
Indeed he is!

Poor Dr. McCoy. Brilliant and compassionate...and always (well, almost always) overshadowed by Spock. He did get the last word once!

When DeForest Kelley died in 1999, there were a lot of very sad people, but not so sad that we didn't spread the word by saying, "He's dead, Jim!"
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
Adeodatus:
quote:
What they should have done was not kill Spock in the first place. They could've got rid of Chekhov or Sulu, or portrayed McCoy's gradual decline following his addiction to one of those colourful liquids in bottles he used to keep in the sick bay. A haunted, haggard figure stalking the darker decks of the Enterprise, every fibre of his being crying out for the next hypospray, he mutters incoherently to himself, only occasionally saying something intelligible like, "Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a winged giraffe!"
[Killing me] OK, I agree with you there. I could do without Dr McCoy quite happily...
 
Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :
 
Can I ask a question?

Well tough, I'm going to ask it anyway.

A double episide of TNG featuring the Borg, possibly the first Borg episode. At the end of the first episode J-L Picard is turned into a Borg. My problem is that every time it is shown I have only seen the first half of the story, I've never seen the conclusion.

How did it end? Please,I need to know.
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
quote:
balaam: Can I ask a question?

Well tough, I'm going to ask it anyway.

A double episide of TNG featuring the Borg, possibly the first Borg episode. At the end of the first episode J-L Picard is turned into a Borg. My problem is that every time it is shown I have only seen the first half of the story, I've never seen the conclusion.

How did it end? Please,I need to know.
BIG FAT SPOILER WARNING

In a daring move that involves separating the saucer section of the Enterprise, Riker manages to rescue Picard from the Borg ship, but Picard is still Locutus, connected to the Borg.

The Borg break through the defenses that Star Fleet had put up, and reach Earth.

Just when they're about to destroy Earth, Data manages to connect through the Borg collective by making a link with Picard. He tries to get them to desist from the attack on Earth, but fails. Riker is about to give the command to ram the Enterprise into the Borg cube.

Then, the real Picard surfaces and manages to say the word 'Sleep'. Beverly Crusher thinks that he's tired, but Data understands what he means: through Picard, he implants a command into the Borg collective that causes all Borg to go into a regeneration cycle, thereby stopping their attack on Earth.

Later, Beverly Crusher manages to remove the Borg implants from Picard, but the mental scars will always remain.

A golden episode!
 
Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :
 
Thanks LeRoc.

That makes sense of some of the later Borg episodes too.
 
Posted by The5thMary (# 12953) on :
 
One of my girlfriends is a major Trekkie and actually worked a few conventions as security when she was in the Navy. She loves Denise Crosby as Tasha Yar but absolutely loathes William Shatner, or SHITner as she calls him. According to her, he's a sexist, racist, homophobic a-hole. I never got into Star Trek as much as I'm completely a Star Wars nerd but of all the series I like DS9 the best. I couldn't stand the characters Geordie LaForge and Data from TNG but I did love Q. Oh, the actor that portrayed him, John DeLancie is supposedly also a major a-hole.

I'm thinking I'm going to have to save up my pennies and buy the entire DS9 series. I love, love the Ferengi.
 
Posted by The5thMary (# 12953) on :
 
It is the will of Landrau that I admit I like the original series although I cringe at every "romance" of Captain Kirk and at the way the women never did anything but look sexy and support the men.

And, if I NEVER have to hear Scotty's obnoxious accent and the mention of Dilithium crystals, it'll be too soon. Even in the new re-tread with Zachary Quinto and Chris Pine, the Scotty character is obnoxious.

One more thing before I shut up (really!). Did anyone else besides me hate the stupid romance between Spock and Uhura in the re-boot? I'm sorry, but it was soooooo stupid and completely out of place.
 
Posted by Timothy the Obscure (# 292) on :
 
McCoy was absolutely necessary. In a Levi-Straussian structuralist way, he was the antithesis of Spock's rigid logic, so that Kirk could be the mediating figure. Or maybe it's Hegelian, whatever... In any case, the reason vs. emotion dialectic is a core theme in Star Trek, and Bones was at the heart of it. He was a good doctor.
 
Posted by jacobsen (# 14998) on :
 
Without wishing to derail any of the interesting topics under discussion, this is one of my favourite songs.
 
Posted by Amika (# 15785) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The5thMary:

One more thing before I shut up (really!). Did anyone else besides me hate the stupid romance between Spock and Uhura in the re-boot? I'm sorry, but it was soooooo stupid and completely out of place.
I just hate the reboot. Seen it once, will never watch it again.
 
Posted by Amika (# 15785) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Timothy the Obscure:
McCoy was absolutely necessary. In a Levi-Straussian structuralist way, he was the antithesis of Spock's rigid logic, so that Kirk could be the mediating figure. Or maybe it's Hegelian, whatever... In any case, the reason vs. emotion dialectic is a core theme in Star Trek, and Bones was at the heart of it. He was a good doctor.
I agree. He was also the best doctor of all, despite my being very fond the VOY doctor and quite liking the ENT one, too. Beverly Crusher was the worst. She never seemed credible as a doctor to me, but then she was one of my least favourite characters in TNG anyway. Pulaski was a relief in the second season. Shame she was ditched to get ole Bev back!
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Amika:
I just hate the reboot. Seen it once, will never watch it again.
I LOVE the reboot! Not merely as a movie in itself, but the franchise was becoming a bit stale. Now there is the possibility to go where no Trek writer has gone before.
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
quote:
Did anyone else besides me hate the stupid romance between Spock and Uhura in the re-boot?
I liked what they did to Uhura's character in the reboot. Yes, a communications expert with responsibility for First Contact situations *would* have to be one of the most intelligent and highly trained people on the ship, something that really doesn't come across in TOS. But I agree that the "romance" is unnecessary. Why can't they just be good friends? Spock is an alien (well OK, half alien); he's only supposed to be interested in sex once in a blue moon.

I hated the rest of the reboot. Whatever else you may say about James T. Kirk in TOS, he wasn't a Dumb Jock. He could give Spock a run for his money at three-dimensional chess. The rebooted Kirk would have struggled with the rules of tiddlywinks.
 
Posted by Amika (# 15785) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
I hated the rest of the reboot. Whatever else you may say about James T. Kirk in TOS, he wasn't a Dumb Jock. He could give Spock a run for his money at three-dimensional chess. The rebooted Kirk would have struggled with the rules of tiddlywinks.
Exactly. Kirk was my hero, and what they did to him (it was bad enough the way they changed him for the earlier films!) was too much. He was actually portrayed as an intelligent and well-read man in TOS. He even described himself as 'a stack of books with legs' in one episode (Court Martial?). The dreary bouts of fisticuffs and the 'Kirk gets the girl in every episode' parts of TOS I forgive because those were the mores of the times, but the character of Kirk doesn't deserve the opprobrium that has been heaped on him over the years.
 
Posted by Taliesin (# 14017) on :
 
?? I thought Kirk was portrayed as highly, almost impossibly, intelligent in the reboot - which I loved, once I'd got over Spock being played by evil mutant Silas - isn't that the point? That it was a different path... in the universe we (TOS) inhabited before, the array or entity or ship or whatever DIDN'T kill Kirk's father so he didn't grow up as stupidly rebellious and the original story happened. In the new reality, he got to command enterprise but by a different path.

I didn't hate the relationship (again, not the alternate reality) as there have been echoes of the 'relationship that might have been' thru all the books. It doesn't fit with Vulcan relationship history though, and we're often told that Spock can't bear to be touched because his vulcan half gets drenched in undisciplined human emotion.

Roddenberry was actually very courageous casting a black woman in an important, intelligent role in the ..60s? and he'd have liked to cast a woman as the doctor too, but he couldn't push gender and race politics too far, or his show would have bombed before it started. He cast his wife as the nurse instead.

erm... have I possibly outed myself as a trekkie yet..?
 
Posted by Timothy the Obscure (# 292) on :
 
I thought Reboot Kirk was portrayed as very bright guy with more than a touch of ADHD.

I really did like what they did with Uhura--almost as if they heard Gwen in Galaxy Quest complain about having nothing to do but repeat what the computer said and set out to make amends.

As for women's roles--in the original pilot for TOS, the second-in-command (the role that eventually became Spock) was played by Majel Barret (Roddenberry's wife). In test viewings there was such intense negative reaction to a cold, logical woman in command (especially from female viewers!) that they demoted her to nurse...
 
Posted by The5thMary (# 12953) on :
 
Originally posted by Amika: " Beverly Crusher was the worst. She never seemed credible as a doctor to me, but then she was one of my least favourite characters in TNG anyway. Pulaski was a relief in the second season. Shame she was ditched to get ole Bev back!"


Yeah! Gates McFadden is a horrible actress! And when TNG first started, I kinda hated the character Deanna Troi. She said the stupidest "no duh!" stuff! Aliens could be shooting at the Enterprise and Picard would ask Troi about them. "Captain... I sense that they're angry about something..." No shit, Counselor! Thanks for that deep insight!

Luckily, as the series went on, Troi became much more three dimensional but those early episodes were enough to cause me to ridicule the entire show.
 
Posted by Timothy the Obscure (# 292) on :
 
Since I am a psychotherapist, Deanna Troi makes my teeth ache. She illustrates why too much empathy can be a bad thing. She's got no professional boundaries--in fact she doesn't seem like a professional at all, just a kind of loose empathy cannon, Carl Rogers's id cut loose from any concept of technique or theory. Every time I've seen an episode featuring her, I've wanted to complain to whatever board licenses starship counselors.
 
Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :
 
"Intense joy and great happiness", uttered with tears in her eyes. Yes, it is nauseating, but pray tell, when have any psychologists, therapists or mental health workers ever been portrayed as they must in real life. The only one which comes to mind is Judd Hirsch in "Ordinary People". They all lack boundaries in Hollywood, they are all disordered, they all are in voyages to repair themselves, and they most frequently lack any sense of sexual boundaries.

I always wanted Troi and Wesley to be both thrown out an airlock, a sentiment made much more prominent after watching Battlestar Galatica. (Which now has me thinking, is the Ship Of Fools a sailing vessel or a starship?)
 
Posted by Trudy Scrumptious (# 5647) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Timothy the Obscure:

As for women's roles--in the original pilot for TOS, the second-in-command (the role that eventually became Spock) was played by Majel Barret (Roddenberry's wife). In test viewings there was such intense negative reaction to a cold, logical woman in command (especially from female viewers!) that they demoted her to nurse...
I remember reading somewhere that the original pilot did indeed have Barrett as first officer, but also did have the Spock character on the bridge in some other role, and that the first notes Roddenberry got from the network were "Lose the Martian and the girl." I wonder if that's correct or if I'm misremembering an article read years ago?

TOS is laughably cringeworthy in so many many ways, but Roddenberry really was a visionary in many ways too, even if he had to pull back on some of his vision in order to get it on air. Having Chekhov on the bridge in a show that aired in the middle of the Cold War was also another big step (even if the original Klingons do look and sound a bit Russian).

[ 13. November 2012, 09:51: Message edited by: Trudy Scrumptious ]
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
quote:
Roddenberry was actually very courageous casting a black woman in an important, intelligent role in the ..60s?
<pause to check Wikipedia> TOS was shown from 1966-9. The original pilot (featuring Majel Barrett as second-in-command) was made in 1965. Roddenberry was hawking the original idea around studios in 1964, the same year as your first Civil Rights Act.

Yes, it is pretty amazing. Just after racial discrimination was outlawed and at the height of the Cold War, here comes a TV series saying 'This stuff may seem like a big deal now, but in the future it won't matter'. Uhura only got to say 'Hailing channels open, Captain' (if that), but she was THERE.

I must have missed the bit about Rebooted Kirk being intelligent. All I saw was an oik interested only in cars (or the 23rd century equivalent thereof).

I confess, I was prejudiced against the reboot by the ridiculously dramatic first scene, where James T. is born as his father Dies Heroically (having fulfilled his biological purpose).
 
Posted by ken (# 2460) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:

Having Chekhov on the bridge in a show that aired in the middle of the Cold War was also another big step (even if the original Klingons do look and sound a bit Russian).
The Man from UNCLE started two years before STTOS, and my favourite one of its co-stars was supposed to be not only a Russian but an employee of the Soviet government seconded to the UN. And strange as it seems now, The Man from UNCLE had more viewers than Star Trek did back then. And I liked it, so there! [Razz]
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
...and I've been thinking (always a dangerous move) about Kirk/Rebooted Kirk. I wonder if the discrepancy is due to a difference in how we recognise Intelligent People? Back in the 1960s an intelligent person would be expected to have read literary classics (even if s/he didn't like them much), know a bit about classical mythology, play chess, etc. etc. So in order to show that TOS Kirk was intelligent you have him quoting from Shakespeare occasionally or feature the odd shot of Spock gnashing his teeth* as Kirk says 'Checkmate'. Nowadays a maths geek who has no interest in any aspect of Western culture except zombie films made between 1950 and 1975 and garage bands of the 1990s (have I got the terminology right here?) would still be recognised as an intelligent person, even if s/he had never heard of Shakespeare.

And that would explain the problem, assuming that those who say Rebooted Kirk is intelligent are right (I am not interested enough in the question to sit through the reboot again, so I'll take your word for it); I was expecting Rebooted Kirk to be like TOS Kirk and looking for the wrong signs of intelligence...

*OK, OK; raising one eyebrow slightly. The Vulcan equivalent.

[ 13. November 2012, 16:59: Message edited by: Jane R ]
 
Posted by Chapelhead (# 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
Which now has me thinking, is the Ship Of Fools a sailing vessel or a starship?
A thread, and a set of posts, in Limbo which I will admit to being rather proud of. Unfortunately many of the names and in-jokes won't mean anything to people who have joined the Ship in the last seven years or so.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
And that would explain the problem, assuming that those who say Rebooted Kirk is intelligent are right (I am not interested enough in the question to sit through the reboot again, so I'll take your word for it); I was expecting Rebooted Kirk to be like TOS Kirk and looking for the wrong signs of intelligence...

*OK, OK; raising one eyebrow slightly. The Vulcan equivalent.
One huge problem is TOS had several seasons to establish its Kirk. The Reboot had just over two hours to establish several characters, a new back-story (with some integration of the old) and tell an interesting tale. Not the same task. The new Trek might have not developed Kirk's intelligence clearly enough, there were big pointers. He reprogrammed Spock's test. At nearly the beginning, Captain Pike directly comments on Kirk's intelligence. The sense I got was his impulsive nature had more control in the rebooted Kirk than the original.
 
Posted by Eigon (# 4917) on :
 
The way I heard it (and I was a fan way back) was that the studio did indeed say "Lose the alien and the girl on the bridge" and that Roddenberry decided he could save one of them, but not both. So he promoted Spock and married Number One. Then, because the studio had a policy of not re-hiring actors on the same show for different parts, Majel got herself a blonde wig and the part of Nurse Chapel.
For Chekov, I believe the Russians complained that there was no Russian on the bridge, the Space Race being at its height. At the same time, the Beatles were becoming very popular, so they combined the Russian with a Beatles haircut and voila!
 
Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :
 
If this thread was posted in Hell, would we need to start discussing the Evil Alternate Universe Kirk? [Biased]

That is the only part of the series Star Trek: Enterprise that I really felt was rather well done.
 
Posted by Earwig (# 12057) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
Which now has me thinking, is the Ship Of Fools a sailing vessel or a starship?
A thread, and a set of posts, in Limbo which I will admit to being rather proud of. Unfortunately many of the names and in-jokes won't mean anything to people who have joined the Ship in the last seven years or so.
Oh man, loved it! Especially Commander Iren with the severe Bob.
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
My favourite Klingon is Warf: Michael Dorn and I were at school together in Pasadena. He was also a teammate on our junior varsity (American) football team. I have seen him once in the last twenty years, at a Star Trek convention. He jets around to his various speaking engagements in fighter jets of the fifties and sixties; at last count, he owned three of them.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Klingons are cute - our last two cats were called Martok and Gowron. They weren't very fierce though.
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
My favourite Klingon is Warf:
Worf, dear boy, Worf. You make that same mistake every.single.time. you relate that anecdote.
 
Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
My favourite Klingon is Warf:
Worf, dear boy, Worf. You make that same mistake every.single.time. you relate that anecdote.
[Killing me]
 
Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
When I next adopt feline companions (and next time it will be a plural, not singular), I have been contemplating calling them Tuvok and Spock after the most famousest of all Vulcans... Cats are, afterall, inscrutable in similar way to Vulcans. Although logical? Perhaps not!
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:
Cats are, afterall, inscrutable in similar way to Vulcans.
Plus, they've got that pointy-ear thing going for them.
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
The resemblance is.... undeniable Captain.
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
But ... what about this one?


"Felis catus is your taxonomic nomenclature,
An endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature."
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
And of course Chekhov and a cat.
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
I have to admit that I'm more of a dog person. I haven't watched much of Enterprise, but I'll give you Porthos.
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
I have to admit that I'm more of a dog person. I haven't watched much of Enterprise, but I'll give you Porthos.
Not sure where you meant that link to go. There's a lot on the page, none of it immediately leaping out at me as suggesting a connection to ST or dogs or even a musketeer.
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
Err...? I just tried it again. I get an image of Jonathan Archer holding Porthos. Maybe it depends on which country you are in? [Confused]
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
Err...? I just tried it again. I get an image of Jonathan Archer holding Porthos. Maybe it depends on which country you are in? [Confused]
It must do. I get a line of pix of the Twilight stars, then a series of links to new trailers and a poll asking me if I think Channing Tatum is the sexiest man alive?
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
quote:
Firenze: It must do. I get a line of pix of the Twilight stars, then a series of links to new trailers and a poll asking me if I think Channing Tatum is the sexiest man alive?
Always interested in hearing your answer to the last question [Smile] but the picture I tried to link to is this one (I hope it works now, and apologies for the mess.)
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
Always interested in hearing your answer to the last question [Smile]
I'm afraid it's 'Who?'
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
I don't know who Channing Tatum is either, but how can he be sexy with a name like that? It sounds like a Tube station, or an obscure village in the Cotswolds.

Does anyone else have the Nitpickers' Guides to ST? We have the ones for TOS and TNG. I have to say, my favourite list in there is 'Kirk's Top 10 Reasons for Breaking the Prime Directive'.

My favourite quiz is the one for prospective starship captains...

[ 19. November 2012, 09:13: Message edited by: Jane R ]
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
quote:
Jane R: My favourite quiz is the one for prospective starship captains...
How does that work? Do you have to chose which actor would be the best fit as a captain?
 
Posted by Trudy Scrumptious (# 5647) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:

Does anyone else have the Nitpickers' Guides to ST? We have the ones for TOS and TNG. I have to say, my favourite list in there is 'Kirk's Top 10 Reasons for Breaking the Prime Directive'.
I love the Nitpickers' Guides!
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
LeRoc:
quote:
How does that work? Do you have to chose which actor would be the best fit as a captain?
This is the Nitpickers' Guide for TOS. The quiz I referred to is multiple-choice; you are a recruit taking the entrance exam for Starfleet Academy. You pick one answer out of four alternatives for each question and then work out at the end whether you got mostly as, bs, cs or ds. This determines which captain you will be: Janeaway, Kirk, Picard or... Quark. Yes, I know Quark's not a captain but they have to do SOMETHING with all the people who fail the exam!

(I was Quark. His solutions to the questions were the most entertaining)
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
quote:
Jane R: This is the Nitpickers' Guide for TOS.
Ah, I get it know. (Now I'm a bit afraid to take the quiz. Does it has an option that tells you you're best suited as a deck scrubber? [Biased] )
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
Oooh! Sargon just joined the Ship!
 
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :
 
LeRoc:
quote:
Now I'm a bit afraid to take the quiz. Does it has an option that tells you you're best suited as a deck scrubber?
That would be Quark... [Big Grin] Join ussss...

I was actually quite relieved to discover that I wasn't a bald or balding Homo sapiens male, though I wouldn't have minded being Captain Janeway with a different hairdo.

I don't think this quiz is available online (I could be wrong, of course); you might have to buy the book to get it.

[Duplicate post deleted.]

[ 19. November 2012, 17:28: Message edited by: Ariel ]
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
quote:
Jane R: That would be Quark... [Big Grin] Join ussss...
In that case, I'd definitely get one of the Dabo Girls to give me an oo-mox [Biased]

BTW, I love the Quark character. Very well done, and by a good actor. After ST initially struggled with the Ferengi idea (especially in the first seasons of TNG) they really pulled it off here.
 
Posted by Eigon (# 4917) on :
 
Channing Tatum was mentioned up the thread. I know who he is! That is to say, I know one atypical role that he played, which was the lead in The Eagle, a film version of Rosemary Sutcliff's children's novel The Eagle of the Ninth. He actually played Marcus Flavius Aquila, the wounded Roman centurion who goes north to recover the lost Eagle of his father's legion, quite well.
I have no idea what else he has appeared in, but am aware that it includes a fandom of teenage girls.
 
Posted by ken (# 2460) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Eigon:
... Rosemary Sutcliff's children's novel The Eagle of the Ninth.
Crap film. Glorious trilogy of books. Re-read them this year. Lovely [Smile]
 
Posted by Eigon (# 4917) on :
 
I think Channing Tatum did quite well with the role he was given, and Donald Sutherland was marvellous as his uncle - but the film left out about half of the plot of the book, and got the ending wrong.

Meanwhile, back in the United Federation of Planets....
 
Posted by rolyn (# 16840) on :
 
I have come out as a Trekie after more then 40 years of denial .

Just started watching the original series again and found that peculiar 1st episode which scared the living daylights out of me aged 10.
The end scene being Dr. McCoy having to phaser a salt-sucking creature ,(which appeared to him as his former lover), as it was about to kill Captain Kirk.

Gene Rodenberry had a formula there which was used in many of his stories . I can see now why this low-budget space adventure found it's cult following.
 
Posted by Amika (# 15785) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
I have come out as a Trekie after more then 40 years of denial .

Just started watching the original series again and found that peculiar 1st episode which scared the living daylights out of me aged 10.
The end scene being Dr. McCoy having to phaser a salt-sucking creature ,(which appeared to him as his former lover), as it was about to kill Captain Kirk.
I remember being terrified by 'The Mantrap', too. I used to call the salt vampire 'the spaghetti bolognese monster'. Don't know why as we didn't eat spaghetti bolognese in our house!
 
Posted by rolyn (# 16840) on :
 
Thanks for letting me know the episode title Amika , I deleted it without taking note . Only a couple of Star Treks bothered me and that was one .
A bit embarrassing for a boy having to tell his mum that something screened at 5.30 pm scared him.

Watched another one this evening called "Charlie X" which was pretty naff by comparison . You know it just seems to be all the sounds of the Starship , the characters, and just the whole set-up really. Still has the power to enthrall.....

Saddo's anonymous or what ? [Smile]
 
Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
Thanks for letting me know the episode title Amika , I deleted it without taking note . Only a couple of Star Treks bothered me and that was one .
A bit embarrassing for a boy having to tell his mum that something screened at 5.30 pm scared him.

Watched another one this evening called "Charlie X" which was pretty naff by comparison . You know it just seems to be all the sounds of the Starship , the characters, and just the whole set-up really. Still has the power to enthrall.....

Saddo's anonymous or what ? [Smile]
Oh yes, and no shame!

I finished TOS again today, and have started The Animated Series. So very 1970s...

The other guilty little secret is that I discovered that the combination of Star Trek novels and an Android tablet is an exceptionally good one... [Razz]
 
Posted by Eigon (# 4917) on :
 
I've just seen the trailer for the new film, Into Darkness (can't get used to the new actors in the roles yet - apart from Zachary Quinto as Spock, who is scarily like Leonard Nimoy). Benedict Cumberbatch is swearing undying vengeance against the Earth and seems to be about to blow San Francisco up.
Which is all very exciting and all that, but what happened to "seek out new life and new civilisations"?
What happened to the optimism?
 
Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Eigon:
What happened to the optimism?
I think all of the Star Trek incarnations up to the latest reboot were among the most optimistic sci-fi of their times. In my favourite, Voyager, it almost went too far - everybody was so fundamentally good, even down to the pyschopath who came good in the end. Other brands of sci-fi may peddle their dystopias, but Star Trek always seemed to believe that humanity would forge a path of moral progress.

Perhaps in the latest version, everybody's just too pretty to be good.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Eigon:

What happened to the optimism?
It was bit boring? Seriously, TOS had a rougher feel. TNG was very sanitary and plastic. The others as well, though to a lesser degree. Is why I liked DS9 better than the rest, a little more of the wild frontier feel than any if the 2nd Gen series.
You know the good guys will win in the overall balance, but it is nice to imagine the struggle.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:
The other guilty little secret is that I discovered that the combination of Star Trek novels and an Android tablet is an exceptionally good one... [Razz]
If only my Nook would have been around forty (forty?!!!) years ago when I started buying and reading those novels. Shouldn't those originals be worth something now?

What I want to know is, is Spock going to die? Again? [Waterworks]
 
Posted by rolyn (# 16840) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:


Oh yes, and no shame!

Agreed [Smile]


I finished TOS again today, and have started The Animated Series. So very 1970s..
I'm on one episode of TOS per evening .

Really enjoying them now I've got past the other one which gave me the ebee-geebies . ----( Where Kirk, Yeoman Janice , Doc, Spock etc. beamed downed to a 30s Earth-like planet and contracted a disease that had killed all the grown-ups, or 'grups' as that spooky bunch of kids called them ....)

Watching them again as a 50-something I notice the subtleties that previously went over my head . Like the on-going, unspoken fancy-thing between Kirk and Yeoman Janice.

I've also decided that Leonard Nimoy's early performances were so out-standing it may well have been one reason for the show's success .
I guess, having been fitted out with those comical ears, he had to try extra hard to make his character convincing .
 
Posted by Eigon (# 4917) on :
 
Mentioning Miri reminds me - in the Original Series, the crew were quite appalling at dealing with kids!
Look at poor Charlie X, or those awful kids who had an invisible "angel" watching over them, and the Enterprise crew didn't have a clue how to cope.
TNG wasn't much better - Worf was a pretty awful father, too (though I did like the one where Deanna Troi's mother takes Alexander off and has a naked mud bath with him!)
 


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