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Jay-Emm
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Round here, the Mayan calendar urban legend, has a slightly different taste.
Basically that the roll-over is associated with an end of an age (with the collapse of the Mayan's and Spanish arrival being considered previous occurrences)
With that in mind, the challenge (this might be a Circus) is to take either the year before the previous and suggest how that year is a good point to split history or any other year.
The modern years will be a bit awkward, as if it's to early to evaluate the effects of 14th July, then the 7th is far too recent*.
So depending on the events (and with a Abrahamic focus) the UN resolution on Palestine might be key trigger for something horrible or (more hopefully) perhaps the start of 500 years of peace.
*Bastille day and London Underground bombings (I can't justify it being significant on the world stage beside New York (or even Madrid). The Glasgow attack possibly. But the dates nice, and sometimes I am a little Englander).
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que sais-je
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1755
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Firenze
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Originally posted by que sais-je:
1755
I'm guessing the Lisbon earthquake.
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que sais-je
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by que sais-je:
1755
I'm guessing the Lisbon earthquake.
Correct. I had to look up the date however.
The event was widely discussed and dwelt upon by European Enlightenment philosophers, and inspired major developments in theodicy and in the philosophy of the sublime. As the first earthquake studied scientifically for its effects over a large area, it led to the birth of modern seismology and earthquake engineering. (in wikipedia)
I was more influenced by reading Neiman's "Evil in Modern Thought" where she credits the Lisbon earthquake and the Third Reich as both having changed the way we see evil in a major sense. Adequate for dividing time into epochs?
But this is getting un-heavenly. I shall go and cook supper.
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Jay-Emm
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Originally posted by que sais-je:
1755 Lisbon [& pre-enlightment moral worldview failing]
An interesting choice, as you say far reaching impacts as well as a dramatic incident in it's own right.
1756 Has the start of the 7 years war, where the British spend lots of effort helping it's colony fight the French. Who rather than paying the bill get the French to help them...
The effects of that have been global.
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Jay-Emm
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(and the potato was encouraged in Russia that year) Which isn't probably significant in itself.
But some potato date seems significant. Suddenly getting the four times the yield, in cold, war.
That gives the time to work in factories...to have a middle class, to...
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Firenze
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Originally posted by Jay-Emm:
(and the potato was encouraged in Russia that year) Which isn't probably significant in itself.
But some potato date seems significant. Suddenly getting the four times the yield, in cold, war.
That gives the time to work in factories...to have a middle class, to...
1846 tends to be the significant potato-related date in Ireland. Followed by 1847, 1848, 1849....
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Jay-Emm
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Yes...they probably were.
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que sais-je
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As there's only three of us perhaps we could choose a potato date (one of them at random) and for once have unanimity on a SoF thread! You can live on potatoes for ages: steamed, boiled, baked, roasted, sauteed, chipped, crisps, mash, Dauphinoise, bourgeoise, croquettes, pan-haggerty, duchesse .... (obviously assuming a little oil, butter and cream is available).
Now I'm feeling hungry again.
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Jay-Emm
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Done, unanimity is cool.
(just in case you thought I was being argumentative, when I put another date, the initial idea was to have a reason for each year rather than to find the one true date)
I learned lots anyway...including that (unlike bread) man really can live off potatoes&milk alone.
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que sais-je
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Originally posted by Jay-Emm:
the initial idea was to have a reason for each year rather than to find the one true date
It would be interesting to ask people what dates (rather than a single date) they think marked important epochs. I think peoples choices' would tell you something about them. I'm interested in philosophy but food is more important!
How new foods led to societal changes in itself is a fascinating topic. I heard a lecture from an archeologist heading a dig at Stonehenge who suggested that it was the domestication of pigs (easy to feed, produce lots of offspring) that made life easy enough to provide time and manpower for such monumental projects.
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Moo
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The cultivation of the potato in Ireland became widespread when Cromwell's army was ravaging the country. Marauding soldiers can harvest a field of grain much more quickly than a field of potatoes.
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Originally posted by Jay Emm
I learned lots anyway...including that (unlike bread) man really can live off potatoes&milk alone.
Not quite. Such a diet results in iron deficiency. Many peasants used to sneak out at night to open a vein in one of the landlord's cows. They sucked the blood to get the iron they needed.
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lilBuddha
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Cow vampires? And someone called Moo brings this to our attention... ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
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Olde Sea Dog
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Originally posted by Moo:
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Originally posted by Jay Emm
I learned lots anyway...including that (unlike bread) man really can live off potatoes&milk alone.
Not quite. Such a diet results in iron deficiency. Many peasants used to sneak out at night to open a vein in one of the landlord's cows. They sucked the blood to get the iron they needed.
Moo
I'm calling blarney on that ..... potatoes have plenty of iron.
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Lamb Chopped
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You could both be right. I suspect potato iron levels vary with the soil (and possibly variety), and in any case, the iron in them will be less easy for the body to absorb than heme iron found in blood. Plus you have to eat quite a lot of them I think.
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que sais-je
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For a couple of months ...
Is a potato-only diet good for you?
I'm not going to try it but it interests me as, if you you were stuck with only one food stuff (and maybe the right soil conditions), potatoes would be healthy-ish and offer a lot of variety. Would anything else be better? I might go for cheese and a shorter life.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
You could both be right. I suspect potato iron levels vary with the soil (and possibly variety), and in any case, the iron in them will be less easy for the body to absorb than heme iron found in blood. Plus you have to eat quite a lot of them I think.
Seems we have another vampire aboard ship.
I would rather eat the potatoes. But with garlic, so don't get any ideas.
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Lamb Chopped
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BWA-ha-ha-ha-ha!
No, I just hang out with a bunch of vampires (=Red Cross bloodsuckers). You learn interesting shit.
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Rosa Winkel
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About ten years ago I read a book about, well, Europe, about an expert about many things, from Hungary, I think. In the end the main guy of the story tracks him down and is dissapointed to learn that the (possibly) Hungarian guy had betrayed his wife to the Stalinist authorities in order to further his career.
Perhaps this rings a bell with someone.
Anyway in this book a 25-year sequence is given:
1889: Hitler is born. Eiffel Tower is constructed (in the book this is called an atheist cathedral to man's own power. Nietsche has his breakdown.
1914: Start of World War One.
1939: Start of World War Two
1964: Can't remember the key thing.
1989: Fall of Berlin wall, democracy coming to Poland and begin of end of Soviet Union
The book obviously doesn't have anything for 2014.
Just a bit of fun.
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que sais-je
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
1964: Can't remember the key thing.
And if you could, it would mean you weren't there!
Have you tried checking Wikipedia for 1964?
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Jay-Emm
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
That's a nice chain of connected events, a sort of (crude) nazi history and soviet history.
Could turn up useful if there was a quiz.
Even with wikipedia, I'm not sure what '64 would be. Vietnam probably makes most sense, as fitting the 'story'.
(1864 has a Russian genocide (for the russian tale), or Red Cross (for the modern wars),
mid American civil war (for either the genocide that followed or industrial war *)
* ohh actually 64, 64 work well with the slavery and civil rights.
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