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Bartolomeo
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Originally posted by the giant cheeseburger:
It has been noted on this forum in the past that a large proportion of deaths in home invasions in the USA are due to occupants being killed with their own guns which were supposedly there to be used for their protection. Could selling guns or surrendering them to the police be a better move for protecting your family maybe?
Nice going. You just screwed up a perfectly good thread by turning it into a pond war over gun control. This thread wasn't about guns and in fact had nothing to do with guns until you screwed it up.
You have no couth and your methods are crude.
There are plenty of gun threads for you to post this crap on, or you can start another one.
Then again, you have your facts wrong, and will probably get whacked upside the head with a cluebat by the forum's gun nuts.
I believe this has been pointed out to you before.
Carry on, no doubt bad people never do bad things to good people off in your fair corner of the world.
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Eh? Cheeseburger mentioned guns in passing, alongside plenty of other well reasoned posts.
Looks like you bugbear to me - not his.
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And it's not a pond war as tgc is an OZ - it's not just Brits who think that the American gun culture is not a credit to the US of A.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Bartolomeo:
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Originally posted by the giant cheeseburger:
It has been noted on this forum in the past that a large proportion of deaths in home invasions in the USA are due to occupants being killed with their own guns which were supposedly there to be used for their protection. Could selling guns or surrendering them to the police be a better move for protecting your family maybe?
Nice going. You just screwed up a perfectly good thread by turning it into a pond war over gun control. This thread wasn't about guns and in fact had nothing to do with guns until you screwed it up.
You have no couth and your methods are crude.
There are plenty of gun threads for you to post this crap on, or you can start another one.
Then again, you have your facts wrong, and will probably get whacked upside the head with a cluebat by the forum's gun nuts.
I believe this has been pointed out to you before.
Carry on, no doubt bad people never do bad things to good people off in your fair corner of the world.
A link would have helped, then we might have had a better idea what tgc was supposed to be talking about.
btw, Lake War is probably a fair term when the Pacific is involved.
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Hey, Bartolomeo, maybe your overreaction relates to your realisation that the whole gun thang in the US is just too much, too dangerous, too idiotic, but you also know that it is now to big to be stopped.
Enjoy going down in the next random shooting.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
btw, Lake War is probably a fair term when the Pacific is involved.
I like it. After all, ours is bigger than yours.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
btw, Lake War is probably a fair term when the Pacific is involved.
I like it. After all, ours is bigger than yours.
It's all about size for you gay Australian legislative draftsmen, isn't it?
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
btw, Lake War is probably a fair term when the Pacific is involved.
I like it. After all, ours is bigger than yours.
It's all about size for you gay Australian legislative draftsmen, isn't it?
I'll have to ask the other one before responding.
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So what's the Aussie attitude towards guns, then? Americans and Aussies have a lot in common, and Oz has a reputation as a rough-n-ready sort of place, and many people live in the Outback. So I'd think that at least some people think guns are necessary. (Probably much moreso than in the UK.)
Or do you prefer crossbows? ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
FYI: I'm American and generally not pro guns--but I don't think they should be completely banned, either.
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Some of the toughest gun laws in the world. We didn't tend to think much of easy access after the Port Arthur massacre. The fact that the USA shrugs off shooting spree after shooting spree as 'just one of those things' is one of the most bizarre things about your national psyche.
EDIT: Sporting guns absolutely must be kept at the gun club, not in the home. Those guns kept in the home (rural properties etc.) must be kept in locked cabinets under strict conditions. I think I can recall at least one story of a man being prosecuted because his grandson got hold of a gun and played with it, even though I don't think anyone was hurt.
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and many people live in the Outback.
Actually, they don't. It's one of the great myths of our country. We are one of the most highly urbanised populations in the world. 89% urban versus 82% for USA and 79% for UK according to a set of estimates published on Wikipedia.
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But we do all ride kangaroos to work.
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Mine was eating too much grass. I had to trade it in for a wallaby.
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Grass? You mean red earth, surely.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
So what's the Aussie attitude towards guns, then? Americans and Aussies have a lot in common, and Oz has a reputation as a rough-n-ready sort of place, and many people live in the Outback. So I'd think that at least some people think guns are necessary. (Probably much moreso than in the UK.)
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Is that a wind-up? Vast majority of Australians live in urban centres on the coasts.
As someone else has stated, our firearm laws are MUCH stricter than in the US or Canada. I and many others down here find the death grip the NRA seems to have on politics in the land of the free totally baffling.
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Originally posted by Mullygrub:
Grass? You mean red earth, surely.
Red earth?
Mine eats sand.
I did eventually have to trade her in for a Toyota.
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There is one stereotype I can confirm, however. All Australian men look like Hugh Jackman. And all Australian women look like Nicole Kidman.
The one exception is tgc, who looks like this.
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Knighty: The one exception is tgc, who looks like this.
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Golden Key
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Sorry, I didn't mean that as any kind of a wind-up. Someone mentioned that tgc is from Oz, so I wondered about Aussie gun policies and attitudes.
Yes, I know that most people don't live in the Outback. I said "many" do. (Just like we have many people in the "fly-over" states here, but most people live on the coasts.)
I just meant that--in the US, anyway--rural folks arguably have a legit need for guns: protecting their livestock (if any), land, and themselves. From discussions I've had with Aussies, here and elsewhere, over the years, it's seemed to many of us that the two countries have a lot in common.
And yes, I know you don't ride kangaroos to work. But how are all those gone-feral camels doing? (I read Robyn Davidson's books, long ago.)
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Mullygrub
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Golden Key: But how are all those gone-feral camels doing?
We like them, as they help keep the drop bears under control.
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Golden Key
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??Drop bears are real??
Terry Pratchett used them in "The Last Continent", about an Oz-like part of Disc World. I thought he made them up.
I read the article you linked to. I didn't see any obvious "gotcha!" smirking in it...
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Ariston
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Originally posted by Mullygrub:
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Golden Key: But how are all those gone-feral camels doing?
We like them, as they help keep the drop bears under control.
Strange, I thought you needed a special foul-smelling spray or obnoxiously ugly talisman to repel the vile drop-bears.
Australia, Australia, Australia, we love ya, amen.
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Mullygrub
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
??Drop bears are real??
Terry Pratchett used them in "The Last Continent", about an Oz-like part of Disc World. I thought he made them up.
I read the article you linked to. I didn't see any obvious "gotcha!" smirking in it...
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Golden Key
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Mullygrub--
Explicate for a poor, ignorant Yank, please?
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Living in a rural part of Australia, those who need guns mostly have shot guns, which are strictly controlled, must be securely locked away with ammo stored separately etc. The process for getting ( and keeping) a gun is quite involved, and includes a criminal check and lots of paperwork. The process takes quite a while.
The general assumption is that a gun is a tool, in much the same way as a tractor is. There is no sense of needing one for protection in any of the rural communities I've lived in, or among any of my friends and relations. Gun ownership is seen as a responsibility rather than as a right.
I'm not so familiar with hobby shooting. The licensing requirements are very strict, and there are limits on how many and what calibre you can keep etc, but I don't know details.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
??Drop bears are real??
Terry Pratchett used them in "The Last Continent", about an Oz-like part of Disc World. I thought he made them up.
I read the article you linked to. I didn't see any obvious "gotcha!" smirking in it...
Look at the distribution map again, particularly the big blob in the centre.
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We let the snakes kill the intruders. Those that survive the spiders.
We had a lovely Cleveland Southern Baptist stay with us for 5 months during an end of training teaching experience.
We joked about the snakes, and then saw 2 brown and 1 tiger snakes in a 3 week period...
Golden key, the whole article is fictitious. As are drop bears. But you knew that, right.
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Lothlorien
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Well drop bears may be fictitious, but don't forget the bunyips which live in the deep dark mountain valleys in Blue Mountains in New South Wales and in similar places in Victoria. They like cold dark creeks and billabongs.
Even the usual sleepy looking koala can sound ferocious when fighting in the bush. And when mating. This is definitely not fictitious.
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I genuinely love it when Australians congregate on the internet. We develop these sudden flash mobs, often at the times of day when some of our major competitors are asleep, and proceed to absolutely take the piss out of everything.
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Golden Key
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Thanks for the input.
Yes, I do see the bear head...but that doesn't necessarily indicate a fictional or cryptological beastie. Interpretive maps can get creative about that sort of thing: pictures of bears, and picnic tables, and restrooms, oh my!
Plus it's a museum's site, and it does have scientific info available. E.g., when I was trying to figure out if the article was a joke, I noticed that it said the drop bear was from the Quaternary period. I couldn't remember if that was current or long ago. So I looked it up on the site, and found a handy-dandy table of geologic/biologic periods. And I remembered enough from long-ago classes to recognize them as real. And it said we're still in the Quaternary period, so...
The comments on the page were clearly joking, but I've seen that with serious articles elsewhere.
And you folks have some weird creatures. Duck-billed platypus??? I mean, really!
Long ago, Paul Hogan did a commercial for Aussie tourism. It went something like this:
"When God was finished making the world, He found He had all sorts of weird and wonderful things left over. 'What will I do with all these? I know! I'll put them all down under.'" (Suggestive pause, then deadpan delivery of...)"'In Australia!'"
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Originally posted by Patdys:
Golden key, the whole article is fictitious. As are drop bears.
Bullshit to that. The bastards have spread west faster than the cane toad. I have taken to hitching a ride to work with a flock of passing wedge-tailed eagles. Spend as little time on the ground and under foliage as possible, say I!
Eagles don't like it when you're tardy. I have taken to employing a dwarf from New Zealand to come to the door and yell shrilly 'The eagles are coming! The eagles are coming!' Better than an alarm clock! Occasionally they get knocked off by the bears, but there are so many unemployed midget Kiwis around that one is soon replaced.
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Originally posted by Vulpior:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
??Drop bears are real??
Terry Pratchett used them in "The Last Continent", about an Oz-like part of Disc World. I thought he made them up.
I read the article you linked to. I didn't see any obvious "gotcha!" smirking in it...
Look at the distribution map again, particularly the big blob in the centre.
And what is the shape of the large white area?
I would not say that drop bears are fictitious. We live within 5 km or so of large National Parks. There have been no confirmed sightings of drop bears in any of them, but some of the gullies are very steep and have not been properly explored. It's probably safe to go as far as saying that the non-existence of drop bears has yet to be proven.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Yes, I know that most people don't live in the Outback. I said "many" do. (Just like we have many people in the "fly-over" states here, but most people live on the coasts.)
Golden Key, draw a line between New York and Los Angeles. You'd find that along that line, there would be quite a few cities with populations over 100,000, and several well over the 1m mark. A similar line between Sydney and Perth covers roughly the same distance, and would give you a city of just under 40,000 (Orange NSW), and then the next centre over 20,000 is Kalgoorlie. There would be some towns in between with up to 5,000 inhabitants, but most would have fewer than 500 people. Non-urban populations are largely confined to the east coast arc and extending to Adelaide.
Otherwise what Athrawes says about gun control here. There have been several prosecutions that I'm aware of (because there has been an appeal) and heavy penalties have been imposed. Even heirloom weapons have been confiscated.
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Gee D: And what is the shape of the large white area?
Erm... all I can see is maybe a bit of a rabbit; what looks a bit like an arse with shit-splatter; some kind of odd-looking, grinning skull; and -- oh yes: Australia.
What am I missing?
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I genuinely love it when Australians congregate on the internet. We develop these sudden flash mobs, often at the times of day when some of our major competitors are asleep, and proceed to absolutely take the piss out of everything.
Orfeo, have you seen Australia gets drunk... It adates from the Howard days but fits well with your post.
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Don't doubt, Patdys. I've actually seen one - sort of. Those strange bubbles chugging across the creek were not made by a duck or yabby, and banksia men cleared out the bunyips years ago. I don't see what else it could have been. Platypus are real, you'll see.
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Hoop snakes?
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
So what's the Aussie attitude towards guns, then? Americans and Aussies have a lot in common, and Oz has a reputation as a rough-n-ready sort of place, and many people live in the Outback. So I'd think that at least some people think guns are necessary. (Probably much moreso than in the UK.)
Or do you prefer crossbows?
Don't they use boomerangs?
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This has turned into a heaven thread.
Sorry 'bout that.
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I've always been amused by the tendency of Australians to cluster - they come halfway roud the world, then all run into each other at once.
I think the phenomenon should have a name - how about Ozmosis?
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
So what's the Aussie attitude towards guns, then? Americans and Aussies have a lot in common, and Oz has a reputation as a rough-n-ready sort of place, and many people live in the Outback. So I'd think that at least some people think guns are necessary. (Probably much moreso than in the UK.)
Or do you prefer crossbows?
Don't they use boomerangs?
Only on English tourists.
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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
Ozmosis
Boom! That's a neologism, right there folks. Submit it to the urban dictionary immediately.
Hope you have more luck than I did with chedache (the headache you get from eating too much cheese).
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Holy fuckin' Moly. I get up late and this happens.
Bartolemeo still hasn't got back to indicate the origin of his complaint and this thread has become the Earl's Court of the Ship.
Games are for elsewhere, like The Circus, or Heaven.
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