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Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :

Yo, folks. Here's your thread.

Hi RooK. I'm doing it because nobody else seems to have the balls to do so, so this is my public service for the day. Do I get chocorrit?

Also, I want to tell you how much I love your new avatar. Very fetching.

PS I don't really care much about the remark.

[ 01. December 2012, 19:16: Message edited by: Lamb Chopped ]

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

FFS, now I agree with Zach.* If you don't care, don't open an OP.
but I will take the opportunity to ask a genuine question.

RooK, for someone who professes to generally** dislike people, why do you administrate a bulletin board?

*about quality of hell calls, I agree in other areas.
** I know you like some specific individuals but is that enough to tolerate the rest? Or is this all just a schtick?

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
FFS, now I agree with Zach.* If you don't care, don't open an OP.
but I will take the opportunity to ask a genuine question.

RooK, for someone who professes to generally** dislike people, why do you administrate a bulletin board?

italics mine
Really, think about this; think about this seriously. (I mean the pissed at RooK people, not RooK himself.) This is not rocket science.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:

RooK, for someone who professes to generally** dislike people, why do you administrate a bulletin board?

** I know you like some specific individuals but is that enough to tolerate the rest? Or is this all just a schtick?

Maybe he didn't dislike people before he became an Admin. I've only been a Host for a month, I'll keep you updated on my feelings for my fellow man.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

Embrace your dork side. Damn iPhone typos.

Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :

I would like to call Rook an insensitive git, but I'd probably get laughed at in Hell. Still, I think he is. And I really don't find him very cuddly at all, no matter what other people may think.

JtW

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

I don't see RooK as being -- nor wanting to be -- part of the community. Erin was one of us, down in the trenches, slugging it out on topics. RooK sits in the control room and occasionally sends down Zeus-like thunderbolts of blistering snideness. He sets himself apart from all of us and makes no bones about despising the whole lot of us. If it's a charade it's a piss-poor one and does not benefit the Ship in any way.

Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :

So what are you going to do, vote him out of office?

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
So what are you going to do, vote him out of office?

You never did understand Hell. Goodbye.

Posted by QLib (# 43) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
I don't see RooK as being -- nor wanting to be -- part of the community. Erin was one of us, down in the trenches, slugging it out on topics. RooK sits in the control room and occasionally sends down Zeus-like thunderbolts of blistering snideness. He sets himself apart from all of us and makes no bones about despising the whole lot of us. If it's a charade it's a piss-poor one and does not benefit the Ship in any way.

First, there's a difference between a persona and a charade. Second, this: in her latter years, I think Erin was quite often too busy to post much. And, when she did post, some people complained about being bullied by her. Several moaned about her persona; some claimed to be terrified of her and someone even stomped off to start a New Ship, IIRC.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by QLib:
First, there's a difference between a persona and a charade.

Then change the word in my comment. Still stands.

quote:
Second, this: in her latter years, I think Erin was quite often too busy to post much. And, when she did post, some people complained about being bullied by her. Several moaned about her persona; some claimed to be terrified of her and someone even stomped off to start a New Ship, IIRC.

Maybe I've got rose-colored memory circuits, but I don't remember Erin seagulling the way RooK does. Yeah she was abrasive, and crude, and pulled no punches. But at no point did she ever give over that she wasn't part of the community, or hold herself aloof from it, or treat it with disdain or snide condescension.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by QLib:

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
I don't see RooK as being -- nor wanting to be -- part of the community. Erin was one of us, down in the trenches, slugging it out on topics. RooK sits in the control room and occasionally sends down Zeus-like thunderbolts of blistering snideness. He sets himself apart from all of us and makes no bones about despising the whole lot of us. If it's a charade it's a piss-poor one and does not benefit the Ship in any way.
First, there's a difference between a persona and a charade. Second, this: in her latter years, I think Erin was quite often too busy to post much. And, when she did post, some people complained about being bullied by her. Several moaned about her persona; some claimed to be terrified of her and someone even stomped off to start a New Ship, IIRC.

Word up.

I don't know, on the one hand RooK can demonstrate deep compassion, insight, comeraderie, and generosity. On the other hand, he can sometimes be a huge, up-himself asshole who doesn't seem to care about the effect his words have. like behavioral consequences are something ubermenschim like him don't have to worry about.

This is the thing-- when his bloodthirsty attitude works in our favor, we totally cheer him on. (Like I said, RooK has made the DJOAS crack numerous time-- why did no one speak up then? My guess is he was making a point that everyone approved of.)

Not so much fun when it lands on us, is it?

In trying to be fair, I tried to cast my mind back to why I felt "stung" as I said when I saw the crack for the first time-- and what I remember is I was not so much angry or disgusted-- but sad. Grieved, even. Because the words that I saw weren't coming from an anonymous yahoo who just showed up and said "fuck Jesus" shit on some message board, it was coming from someone of whom I have become very fond.

And someone who has a huge support network of professed Christians-- people who have prayed for him, cried with him, rejoiced with him, and have never, ever asked him to change, in ten, twelve, whatever years he's been around.. And I guess I wondered-- how can you say something so reductive and belittling about a person's faith without considering that the people of that faith that you deal with might question how much respect you really have for them? Soft-soapy disclaimers aside?

But it's kind of a mission statement of the Ship, isn't it, to allow people a space for taking shots at Christianity and to still accept them as part of the community. Right?

And when the topic of Joseph Smith finds itself in Hell, as I recall, people really throw the shit down. Tell me that ain't true.

SO, again, I dunno-- and with the three working brains cells my virus has left me, I don't know how to express it better. I see that Nietzschean asshole pop out on occasion, but I remember when it was a lot worse-- when practically every post that came with RooK's avatar attached had something to do with "purging the unworthy" or his Darwinian superiority or just-- not pretty.

And it bugged me. And I even remember telling myself if I could just write him off as a complete irredeemable asshole, my Ship life would be a lot more easy. And it wasn't like the respect of a neurotic, Zeta- dog, "deluded schill" of a Christian like me would be any loss.

But I just couldn't manage it. even when the stuff he's said has brought stunned tears to my eyes-- yeah, fuck you RooK, I'm a cryer-- I couldn't do whatever it takes to harden myself to it and give up. Because that would have been so much worse.

[ 01. December 2012, 22:27: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :

Pardys, i opened it because I got sick of seeing a bunch of people with their panties in a twist on the other threads, but everybody "you first" " no, you first" about opening an actual hell call. So I did.

I also take the trash out when it needs doing. You' re welcome.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Yo, folks. Here's your thread.

Hi RooK. I'm doing it because nobody else seems to have the balls to do so, so this is my public service for the day. Do I get chocorrit?

Also, I want to tell you how much I love your new avatar. Very fetching.

PS I don't really care much about the remark.

Oh, and one more thing before I hit the bed with a gallon of cinnamon tea-

LC, I give it to you for even having the ovaries to type the phrase "Calling RooK to Hell" in the title space, but the content of the post was about the most candy-- ass, wimpacious bit of appeasement I have ever seen. When I get back from my sick bed I want to see that you have kicked Maple Leaf Rag all over Hell.

If you must sin, sin boldly, goddamn it.

Kel// Choccorit, my ass.

[ETA: Crosspost of the century! [Big Grin]

]

[ 01. December 2012, 22:40: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Oh, and A-fuckin'-men to this:

quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Pardys, I opened it because I got sick of seeing a bunch of people with their panties in a twist on the other threads, but everybody "you first" " no, you first" about opening an actual hell call.

[ 01. December 2012, 22:42: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

LC, what Kelly said. You write beautifully and passionately. Your Op didn't represent that in my opinion. But thank you for opening a space where I can ask a question that I have wanted to for a long time.

Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :

The problem is, I don't FEEL passionately about it. I think RooK's been a bit of an ass and probably deserves a good kicking, but he's not a believer, he doesn't know any better, though I'm sure he'll be mightily insulted by my saying so. And in any case, someone who talks like he does is in high danger of conversion in my experience. Much more than the blandly indifferent. Take warning, RooK...

But I can't get all passionate about anyone insulting the Lord. He doesn't need me to defend him, and someone who would let us crucify him isn't going to quibble at insult. And for me to take insult on his behalf would be the outside of enough.

Really, I got more pissed off at the wusses tiptoeing around at the idea of taking RooK to Hell. Just shut up and do it already. Stop acting like the boogeyman is going to jump out and eat your brains.

Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :

Kelly, forgive me, I can see we're totally coming from a different place on this. Maybe I'm the hardened one. Maybe it comes with the (missionary) territory. But I'm used to assholes insulting me, my God and my faith. It basically makes me want to pat them on the head and say "There, there" at this point. I don't mean to imply in any way that being upset is wrong. It's just not where I am.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
I don't mean to imply in any way that being upset is wrong. It's just not where I am.

Okey-doke!

quote:
Really, I got more pissed off at the wusses tiptoeing around at the idea of taking RooK to Hell. Just shut up and do it already. Stop acting like the boogeyman is going to jump out and eat your brains.

On that we are agreed. That was getting really lame.

Posted by Beeswax Altar (# 11644) on :

quote:
originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Really, I got more pissed off at the wusses tiptoeing around at the idea of taking RooK to Hell. Just shut up and do it already. Stop acting like the boogeyman is going to jump out and eat your brains.

Sounds like what the Denizens of Hell told Evensong on that thread that ended with her getting banned.

Good luck getting anybody to fall for that line a second time. [Killing me]

Posted by Net Spinster (# 16058) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
The problem is, I don't FEEL passionately about it. I think RooK's been a bit of an ass and probably deserves a good kicking, but he's not a believer, he doesn't know any better, though I'm sure he'll be mightily insulted by my saying so. And in any case, someone who talks like he does is in high danger of conversion in my experience. Much more than the blandly indifferent. Take warning, RooK...

As a non-Christian, I'm insulted. There is not one law for Christians and another for non-Christians (though one side or another might think so and people in both camps are inclined to multiply laws). He might lack novelty in his wording though not bluntness.

(BTW though we are allowed to kick maple leaves, is kicking cats [Rook's new avatar] allowed?)

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Given past threads I suspect kicking cats would be enthusiastically encouraged.

Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :

Could someone please point the confused masses to where the last-straw post is that sparked this thread? Thanks.

Re Erin:

IMHO, she seemed to move from skewering people whenever the mood seized her to mostly doing it when she felt there was a good purpose.

I don't know what she was like offline. Once, when this sort of thing was being discussed in Styx, she said that she was the same online and off--and that anything else would be lying. Up until that point, I thought her gator-like persona was just that.

OTOH, when she passed and we got info about her extended family, there was a pic of her with her nieces(?). She seemed delighted by them, and vice versa.

So there was more to her. And she was very kind to me on some occasions.

FWIW.

Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :

Net Spinster, feel free to be insulted. Your answer makes it clear you didn't even understand what I was talking about. Which kinda reinforces my point.

Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :

Ok, found Rook's comment.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

It's not really very worth it re the hell call. That's been clear for a while. The comment isn't original to him, it's been clarified that he took it from someone else and recycled it. And although it appears probably as anti-semitic to English speaking people where I live, there's sufficient wiggle room not to bother with that any more either. Finally, we don't know if he's enjoyed the results or not, and do we really want to reinforce juvenile behaviour by providing further attention? [Snore]

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Net Spinster:

quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
The problem is, I don't FEEL passionately about it. I think RooK's been a bit of an ass and probably deserves a good kicking, but he's not a believer, he doesn't know any better, though I'm sure he'll be mightily insulted by my saying so. And in any case, someone who talks like he does is in high danger of conversion in my experience. Much more than the blandly indifferent. Take warning, RooK...

As a non-Christian, I'm insulted. There is not one law for Christians and another for non-Christians (though one side or another might think so and people in both camps are inclined to multiply laws). He might lack novelty in his wording though not bluntness.

(BTW though we are allowed to kick maple leaves, is kicking cats [Rook's new avatar] allowed?)

For my part, I have too much respect for RooK to "pat him on the head" about anything. So, you're definitely right Lamb Chopped, we ARE coming from two different places.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
And although it appears probably as anti-semitic to English speaking people where I live, there's sufficient wiggle room not to bother with that any more either.

"Even though I completely misunderstood the context, and relayed the remark to a bunch of my mates (without the context of course, because I didn't understand it in the first place), I still think there's a remote chance that a cutting remark aimed squarely at Christians was actually all about being nasty to Jews."

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
But I can't get all passionate about anyone insulting the Lord.

For me, at least, that's not the issue. For me it's about RooK being treated differently from other people.

Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :

quote:
Lamb Chopped: Really, I got more pissed off at the wusses tiptoeing around at the idea of taking RooK to Hell. Just shut up and do it already. Stop acting like the boogeyman is going to jump out and eat your brains.

Yeah, that's what made me take the wusses to Hell instead of RooK.

Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
But I'm used to assholes insulting me, my God and my faith. It basically makes me want to pat them on the head and say "There, there" at this point. I don't mean to imply in any way that being upset is wrong. It's just not where I am.

Patronising crap.

Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
I don't see RooK as being -- nor wanting to be -- part of the community. Erin was one of us, down in the trenches, slugging it out on topics. RooK sits in the control room and occasionally sends down Zeus-like thunderbolts of blistering snideness.

How does one decide if someone else is part of the community here? Is it only about number of posts and how many threads people engage in? Because, by that measure I ask ... am I a part of this community? Over the last couple of years my public posts have been at a very low rate, there are entire weeks that pass and I might post only once, and a large proportion of those are as an admin. Usually I'm not following more than two or three threads at a time. Does that mean that when a host alerts us to a problem and I swing in with my "Ship of Fools Admin" tags full on that I'm also sending down Zeus-like thunderbolts?

I know it's been a while since you were a host. But, I remind you that top of the list of criteria we have when looking for a new host is "someone who is part of the community, who contributes to discussions on several boards". RooK passed that test with flying colours years ago, as did you and I. Most of us have found circumstances have changed and we no longer have as much time to spend on the Ship, or we find that the discussions we once dove into with relish we now find old and tedious, and don't post as much. Quite a lot of hosts & admins have admitted that they don't have the time or interest, and they've stepped down. That doesn't make them, or the rest of us who post less frequently, any less a part of this community. Even if in some cases people have turned into the crochety old man who sits on his porch telling everyone how much better it was in the old days and how the incomers have ruined the place.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

It's not a matter of saying "things were so much better then." It's a matter of RooK dissociating himself from the rest of us and telling us we're unworthy scum. He plainly holds us all in contempt and gives no indication that he is interested at all in being part of the community. Not just that he thinks it was better in some glorious past. He tells us repeatedly he is not one of us.

[ 02. December 2012, 08:02: Message edited by: mousethief ]

Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :

For goodness sake, mousethief, the guy is holding down a full time job of the sort that doesn't have hours it has deadlines, a new baby and a toddler. Of course he hasn't got the time that you and I have to spend on the Ship.

I guess you missed the name change amnesty to celebrate the new daughter? And the choccorit posts that had many of us weeping with laughter in All Saints?

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

Hi!

Fun fact: I've never actually been called to Hell before!
I suppose that for the longest time it hardly seemed necessary since I essentially lived here. It has always felt like something I had missed out on. Honestly, there might be tears.

So, Kelly: Fun fact #2 is that I'm also a weeper. Over stupid shit too; I bawled my eyes out when the Enterprise blew up in The Search For Spock. Actually, it's possible that my tendency to tear up, and others finding that amusing during my formative years, is a contributing factor to my general hatred for people.

Which brings me to Patdys' question. Why do I volunteer time on a discussion board if I'm really a misanthrope? First, let me assure you that the misanthrope angle is not a fabrication. Nevertheless, I really value discourse and debate, especially with people who communicate well. And you have to admit, there's some great communication going on about these boards. Not all of it, of course. But enough. More than most settings. I'm glad to be here. Working to keep the Ship afloat feels a lot like raking compost to fertilize blossoms of understanding and expression.

And you're not far off the mark in weighing the people I love here versus the rest. I'll volunteer here until I'm too senile to type if only to help create a space for one more brilliant fork story from Sine Nomine, or one more patiently tender reprimand from Grits, or one more bravely honest comment from Kelly, or one more squamous and rugose sighting of tomb's snark, or one more laser-sharp insight from RuthW. Hell, I'd work here to just see what crazy-ass concept for/about the Ship IngoB and Yorick will come up with next, or for one more it-hurts-but-maybe-he's-right barb from Pyx_e, or to see Tortuf powder his avuncular wig yet again, or hear comet break into a blood-curdling scream. Not to mention that this place I tend helps me give tribute to people grew to know and love here: KenWritez, Erin, jlg.

TL:DR - It's all about me. Fuck you.

Which, uh, brings me to Jonah the Whale: You're kind of right, man. I can be an insensitive git. I think that being right is the best tactic on most fora, including Hell. It's good to call people on being insensitive and being a git.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

Thankyou.

Posted by QLib (# 43) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
He plainly holds us all in contempt ...

Not plain to me.

quote:
... and gives no indication that he is interested at all in being part of the community.

Other than putting in the hours as an Admin, you mean? There are many different roles in a community.

quote:
He tells us repeatedly he is not one of us.

Not that I'm aware, unless you're referring to the fact thatn he repeatedly makes it clear that he's coming from a non-faith position. But I'm reluctant to think that that's what you had in mind, mt, because that would be dangerously close to saying that only believers belong here.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
For me it's about RooK being treated differently from other people.

At least half the Hellhosts have posted to say they wouldn't have called anyone else for saying what was said. I can happily confirm that I wouldn't have called anyone for it when I was a Hellhost either, and obviously I didn't see fit to do so now I'm an Admin.

Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
It's not a matter of saying "things were so much better then." It's a matter of RooK dissociating himself from the rest of us and telling us we're unworthy scum. He plainly holds us all in contempt and gives no indication that he is interested at all in being part of the community. Not just that he thinks it was better in some glorious past. He tells us repeatedly he is not one of us.

Actually, I had someone else in mind in the role of crochety old man.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

RooK apologizes to Twilight in the Styx.

He is called to Hell and he replies...thoughtfully and pleasantly.

He admits he tears up on occasion.

I guess that's one in the eye of the "RooK the Monster" myth.

BTW did I recall correctly that you once rushed a small animal to vet ER one time, RooK? Or is my memory playing tricks?

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Yo, folks. Here's your thread.

Hi RooK. I'm doing it because nobody else seems to have the balls to do so, so this is my public service for the day. Do I get chocorrit?

Also, I want to tell you how much I love your new avatar. Very fetching.

PS I don't really care much about the remark.

Nobody else has the balls to do so but you do?

[Killing me]

That OP took no balls at all.

But don't mind me. Carry on with your delusions of bravery and trash-taking-outing.

Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :

Sweetie, go recalibrate your sarcasm meter.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

Fair enough. My last line was a bit over the top. I didn't really mean it.

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Nobody else has the balls to do so but you do?

That OP took no balls at all.

Psst. Evensong, you may have a greater knowledge of anatomy than I, but last I checked, females don't have balls, except of course as pets.

In any event, bravery should not be linked to any portion of the male anatomy. Especially the portion most likely to hurt out of proportion to injury sustained.

Posted by Zach82 (# 3208) on :

Agree with me? I'm just here to help people hug out their feelings. That's what hell calls are for after all.

Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
I don't see RooK as being -- nor wanting to be -- part of the community. Erin was one of us, down in the trenches, slugging it out on topics. RooK sits in the control room and occasionally sends down Zeus-like thunderbolts of blistering snideness. He sets himself apart from all of us and makes no bones about despising the whole lot of us. If it's a charade it's a piss-poor one and does not benefit the Ship in any way.

I respect your opinion here, but I'm inclined to disagree. RooK has moments of great honesty and humanity, imo, and I think he's often a valuable contributor, which - to me - makes him part of this community; as anyone can be, in fact, if they don't exclude themselves by imagining 'in-crowd' conspiracies.

Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :

RooK may have a fearsome beak, but inside he is pure soft centre. Must be all that chocolate.

Besides, he tastes delicious in pie. Rather like blackbird only meatier and more pungent.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
For goodness sake, mousethief, the guy is holding down a full time job of the sort that doesn't have hours it has deadlines, a new baby and a toddler. Of course he hasn't got the time that you and I have to spend on the Ship.

Time and quantity of posting isn't my issue. It's the "you people" comments.

quote:
Originally posted by QLib:

quote:
... and gives no indication that he is interested at all in being part of the community.
Other than putting in the hours as an Admin, you mean? There are many different roles in a community.

Point taken.

quote:

quote:
He tells us repeatedly he is not one of us.
Not that I'm aware, unless you're referring to the fact that he repeatedly makes it clear that he's coming from a non-faith position. But I'm reluctant to think that that's what you had in mind, mt, because that would be dangerously close to saying that only believers belong here.

You're right, that's not what I had in mind. Nevertheless his "you people" statements show, and must be intended to show, a distancing and derision.

quote:
Originally posted by Tortuf:
Evensong, you may have a greater knowledge of anatomy than I, but last I checked, females don't have balls, except of course as pets.

Fabulous line. Quotes file.

________________________________________

To no-one in particular (hence the line; fetching, wot?):

I retain my distaste for RooK's comments indicating separation from and superiority to lesser shippies as a whole, however. Even as a self-conscious schtick it doesn't seem to me to be healthy for the ship.

Nevertheless I'm inclined, primarily based on what Orfeo said on I believe a different thread (of the three hysteria-laden threads, oh brother) to re-examine my initial evaluation of this use of the dead-Jew-on-a-stick comment, and thus of management's reaction to it.

[ 02. December 2012, 16:05: Message edited by: mousethief ]

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

Thank you mousey. On two counts.

Posted by Zach82 (# 3208) on :

I like Rook's snarkiness.

Though I am pretty surprised to see hot this hell call is shaking down, considering how eloquently the institution of hell calls was defended in that other thread. What happened to the healthy community function that gave voice to poor, offended people's emotions?

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Zach82:
What happened to the healthy community function that gave voice to poor, offended people's emotions?

People gotta step the hell up if they got something to say. I did.

And for the record, while disagreement is part of the process, "You don't get Hell" is just as candy-ass a response as " That's not nice," AFAIAC. (That was preemptive.)

RooK: I've now read your response three times over. That was exactly the kind of thing I was talking about in my first paragraph.

[ 02. December 2012, 17:17: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Zach82 (# 3208) on :

quote:
And for the record, while disagreement is part of the process, "You don't get Hell" is just as candy-ass a response as " That's not nice," AFAIAC. (That was preemptive.)

Preempting what, exactly?

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

[Confused]

People who would try to shut people up by saying that. Jeez! Zach, do you actually have anything to say about the subject of the OP?

Posted by Zach82 (# 3208) on :

I said it- I like Rooks snarkiness.

Posted by Chapelhead (# 21) on :

RooK needs me to defend him about as much as the Large Hadron Collider needs a USB port, but anyway...

Firstly this, from Kelly Alves is one the best things I have read on the Ship in a long time.

Secondly, RooK might not post as much as he used to, and he may have some lame excuse about 'real life' and 'having kids' - like they're important [Roll Eyes]

- but he's certainly part of the posting community here who does much more then send down occasional thunderbolts. He even wades through pages of naval-gazing self-absorption by one of Christianity's less-intelligent forms to prick pomposity where it needs it.

RooK has a way of getting to the point that most of us can only dream of. He once said something in passing that made me think so much I left the Ship for two years just to get a grip on it.

Yes, he offends. But probably less that the Great Gator, who was the most community minded person ever to grace this Ship, and I hope he goes on offending. Why am I happy for him to go on offending? It's because, when it comes down to it, 99% of the prattling that I and pretty much everyone else here endlessly spout is about a certain belief system. And at least some here say that belief system teaches that an omnipotent, all-loving creator of all things knows that RooK will spend all eternity in the fires of hell because he didn't pay enough attention to a dead Jew on a stick. Now that's offensive.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Tortuf:
Psst. Evensong, you may have a greater knowledge of anatomy than I, but last I checked, females don't have balls, except of course as pets.

Quite so, quite so.

Unfortunately I was bound by rhetorical convention; once must needs use the literary imagery of the original assailant.

Besides, "no one else having the boobs to do it" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.* [Biased]

(* tho I can confirm a jab to the boobs hurts like hell too)

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

OVARIES.

Does no-one read my posts?

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

Personally, I like mousethief's use of chutzpah. It is genderless, as is bravery.

Posted by Timothy the Obscure (# 292) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
OVARIES.

Does no-one read my posts?

I like huevos [Spanish for eggs] because it is Spanish slang for "balls" but has a feminine double meaning.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Good point.

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
BTW did I recall correctly that you once rushed a small animal to vet ER one time, RooK? Or is my memory playing tricks?

Sorry, almost missed this.

Yeah, I rushed a mouse to the vet - in a motherfucking ice storm. It was my yet-to-be-wife's pet mouse, and the stupid fucking thing had some sort of allergic reaction and proceeded to puff up and squeak piteously. My better half called around for advice, but most offices were closed due to inclement weather. She finally found a place that was open, and they couldn't diagnose over the phone (no surprise there).

I've done a lot of bad-weather and winter driving. But there's something especially treacherous about Portland ice storms. It's one part that the ice is oh-so-near phase change, making it super-slippery. And another part that the vast majority of people trying to drive in Portland in bad weather have absolutely no fucking clue what they're doing. Youtube is jam-packed with Portlanders attempting winter driving; it's less funny in person. It's possible that the mouse's life was more at risk during the trip to and from the vet's office than it was from the original condition. But, regardless, some antihistamines and some fortunate avoiding of spinning-out-of-control SUV's later, and all was well.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Nevertheless his "you people" statements show, and must be intended to show, a distancing and derision.

Yeah, but it's a distancing from and derision for Christianity, not Ship of Fools.

Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Nevertheless his "you people" statements show, and must be intended to show, a distancing and derision.
Yeah, but it's a distancing from and derision for Christianity, not Ship of Fools.

I really love France. Too bad that it is full of arrogant, annoying, loud and horny Frenchmen... And strangely enough, I've not yet met a Frog appreciating this obvious distinction. They seem to take this as some kind of insult, and laugh derisively at my suggestion that I should be the President of France, given my great love for their country.

(For the humour-impaired, the above is not an accurate reflection of how I think about the French. At least while I'm not in France. )

Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
OVARIES.

Does no-one read my posts?

Alas I have neither ovaries nor balls - literally or figuratively.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

RooK:

quote:
It's possible that the mouse's life was more at risk during the trip to and from the vet's office than it was from the original condition. But, regardless, some antihistamines and some fortunate avoiding of spinning-out-of-control SUV's later, and all was well.

Yay! What a mensch! (You, not the mouse. [Biased]

)

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Just to round things off:

Coudn't resist.

God, I love Steve Buscemi. Pleasant singing voice, too.

So, RooK and Bingo, pretty much. [Snigger]

[ 04. December 2012, 07:02: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by RuthW (# 13) on :

quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Nevertheless his "you people" statements show, and must be intended to show, a distancing and derision.
Yeah, but it's a distancing from and derision for Christianity, not Ship of Fools.
I really love France. Too bad that it is full of arrogant, annoying, loud and horny Frenchmen... And strangely enough, I've not yet met a Frog appreciating this obvious distinction. They seem to take this as some kind of insult, and laugh derisively at my suggestion that I should be the President of France, given my great love for their country.

(For the humour-impaired, the above is not an accurate reflection of how I think about the French. At least while I'm not in France. )

It ain't a Christian website. Thank God.

Posted by Bean Sidhe (# 11823) on :

I've been mainly a circus-rat here, just straying elsewhere when something grabs me. As did the 'jew on a stick' comment. I said what I thought of that on the Styx thread.

I read around a lot though. Rook can be an arsehole in so many ways, but...there's something solid and committed behind that which distinguishes him from all the other arseholes on the Ship. I'm touched by what he's said here, as I was by his post after Erin died. God bless him, we wouldn't be what we are if we didn't love him.

Posted by Timothy the Obscure (# 292) on :

Rook works really hard at being an asshole. We psychologists (I believe his wife is one) know a reaction formation when we see it.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. [Big Grin]

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Timothy the Obscure:
Rook works really hard at being an asshole.

Maybe he could use some of this. Pretty up what comes out?

Posted by Mullygrub (# 9113) on :

quote:
no prophet: Maybe he could use some of this. Pretty up what comes out?

Hm. "www.funnyjunk.com"...... I was, naturally, expecting to see pictures of comedic penises. Glad it was not so [Paranoid]

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:

quote:
Originally posted by Timothy the Obscure:
Rook works really hard at being an asshole.
Maybe he could use some of this. Pretty up what comes out?

To which of those hundred little clips were you referring ? Way to make a point. Asshole.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:

quote:
Originally posted by Timothy the Obscure:
Rook works really hard at being an asshole.
Maybe he could use some of this. Pretty up what comes out?
To which of those hundred little clips were you referring ? Way to make a point. Asshole.

You need some too do you?

Particularly since your name calling shows a complete absence of creativity in this context. If it is not too subtle for you, I'll just call you Peter and give you this emoticon: [Two face]

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

I'm giving everybody 24 hours to come up with a reason why this thread shouldn't be euthanised.

It was supposed to be for calling a Canadian* to Hell, not for another Canadian to put us THROUGH Hell with annoyingly pointless links.

* Or at least, someone known for using Canadian symbols - I've never enquired deeply into his origins.

[ 06. December 2012, 23:42: Message edited by: orfeo ]

Posted by Mullygrub (# 9113) on :

quote:
orfeo: I'm giving everybody 24 hours to come up with a reason why this thread shouldn't be euthanised.

That's remarkably generous of you, orfeo. Must be all that contagious Christmas cheer. Or summat.

Posted by comet (# 10353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

* Or at least, someone known for using Canadian symbols - I've never enquired deeply into his origins.

i like to consider RooK a Canadian In A Bad Situation™.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mullygrub:

quote:
orfeo: I'm giving everybody 24 hours to come up with a reason why this thread shouldn't be euthanised.
That's remarkably generous of you, orfeo. Must be all that contagious Christmas cheer. Or summat.

No, it's not generous, it's practical. Anything less than 24 hours, and I'll get someone in some annoying timezone who runs complaining to Styx that I locked the thread while they were sleeping.

Posted by Mullygrub (# 9113) on :

quote:
orfeo:... while they were sleeping.

Hm. So which character does that make you, orfeo?

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by comet:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

* Or at least, someone known for using Canadian symbols - I've never enquired deeply into his origins.
i like to consider RooK a Canadian In A Bad Situation™.

To an American, Portland is like heaven on earth. To a Canadian, it must seem like Hell.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mullygrub:

quote:
orfeo:... while they were sleeping.
Hm. So which character does that make you, orfeo?

STFU, would you? Ta.

Posted by QLib (# 43) on :

I dunno whether it's the host status or the avatar, but you've changed, orfeo. You're more fiery and steely and less .... um... biscuity. I don't know what induction ritual they put you folk through - is there a special one for Hell Hosts? I'm worried about Sioni - will he also transmogrify?

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Oh, give me a break. Orfeo's always been a pugnacious little brat. That's why I consider him a kindred spirit.

Posted by Mullygrub (# 9113) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

quote:
Originally posted by Mullygrub:

quote:
orfeo:... while they were sleeping.
Hm. So which character does that make you, orfeo?
STFU, would you? Ta.

Bah. Humbug.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by QLib:
I dunno whether it's the host status or the avatar, but you've changed, orfeo. You're more fiery and steely and less .... um... biscuity. I don't know what induction ritual they put you folk through - is there a special one for Hell Hosts? I'm worried about Sioni - will he also transmogrify?

It's called Power. Finally there's a point to saying some of this stuff, because I can back it up.

Posted by Niteowl (# 15841) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:

quote:
Originally posted by comet:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

* Or at least, someone known for using Canadian symbols - I've never enquired deeply into his origins.
i like to consider RooK a Canadian In A Bad Situation™.
To an American, Portland is like heaven on earth. To a Canadian, it must seem like Hell.

To a Southern Californian who moved to Oregon in the winter it was hell. The same Southern Californian thought it was heaven in the spring.

Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on :

quote:
Originally posted by QLib:
I don't know what induction ritual they put you folk through

I hear it involves interpretive dance, alcohol, chickens, Turing tests, software upgrades and being told not to push the big red button. But that's just wild unsubstantiated rumour.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

Isn't it Louie Louie if we're talking Oregon? I don't know anything else about it, except that the Hudson Bay Company had a post at the mouth of the Columbia River and did some trading with the Spanish of California. If not for a couple of bad decisions and a day late, Rook would actually be in Canada.

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

Married a Southern Californian, and Portland was the compromise.

Also, the gigantic multinational I work for lets me play all day and pays me embarrassing piles of money for being here.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

Portland's not at the mouth of the Columbia.

Posted by comet (# 10353) on :

CRACKS HOSTLY WHIP

I don't know when orf's 24 hours are up, but this thread has gone stupid.

Die, thread. Die!

THREAD CLOSED

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