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Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I forgot about the Americans, and assorted others without a British, or indeed any, sense of humour.

Fuck you.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

George Carlin would say "unfuck you."

I trust superior humorists won't need that explained to them.

[ 07. December 2012, 22:54: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Cod (# 2643) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I forgot about the Americans, and assorted others without a British, or indeed any, sense of humour.
Fuck you.

In a humorous way.

Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I forgot about the Americans, and assorted others without a British, or indeed any, sense of humour.
Fuck you.

Is that a John Phillips Sousa tune?

Posted by Kyzyl (# 374) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I forgot about the Americans, and assorted others without a British, or indeed any, sense of humour.
Fuck you.
Is that a John Phillips Sousa tune?

Nope, Celo Green.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

I thought it was a line of people disappearing into the distance...

[ 08. December 2012, 00:57: Message edited by: Patdys ]

Posted by irish_lord99 (# 16250) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
George Carlin would say "unfuck you."

I trust superior humorists won't need that explained to them.

You'd better explain it to Deano then.

Posted by Nicolemr (# 28) on :

I'm with Mousethief:

Fuck you Deano.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by irish_lord99:

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
George Carlin would say "unfuck you."

I trust superior humorists won't need that explained to them.
You'd better explain it to Deano then.

Oh, heavens no, It's George Carlin! A knuckle dragging 'Murrican! Any Brit should be able to parse that in their sleep! Heaven forbid I suggest otherwise!

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I forgot about the Americans, and assorted others without a British, or indeed any, sense of humour.

Typical assertion by the un-funny and the wit-less (take it both ways). [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

I have been giving Deano's assertion a lot of thought.

I personally don't have a sense of humor. I am an American. Therefore, we American's have no sense of humor. QED.*

_______
*QED, shorthand for a Latin phrase meaning It's proved, go fuck yourself if you don't believe me.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

And all Cretans are liars. Got it.

Posted by comet (# 10353) on :

I know it goes without saying but no bullshit pond wars, dahlings. Abuse Dumbass Deano all you like, or defend him if you swing that way, but if this turns into a battle of stereotypes i'll cut you all up with my chainsaw and feed you to orfeo.

he's looking awfully hungry. And he's an Aussie so he hates all of us. Once he starts who knows where it will end.

comet,
Gentle Hellhost

Posted by RuthW (# 13) on :

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :

Fuck? Did someone say "fuck?" Why, I think that's cue enough for a a humorless American* from before the reign of the very funny and ironic Family Guy! Because really, there was never anything funny or ironic before that and Big Bang Theory. Aren't those the heights of funny and smart irony in America? After all, irony in America is a very new thing indeed! Clearly, none of us on the Ship have even the slightest understanding of such things.

*Oh, and probably not safe for work if your boss is a po-faced American.

Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :

Not even 500 posts yet, and two hell calls [Eek!]

Hope he has a sense of humour

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief

quote:
Originally posted by deano
I forgot about the Americans, and assorted others without a British, or indeed any, sense of humour.
Fuck you.

Oh c'mon, give the poor chap a break. We all know that we Brits mean the opposite of what we say. It's called irony.

(Someone's got to perform the thankless and desperate task of trying to defend deano. It's not easy...)

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

So then, when he said it was just humour.....

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

I have yet to encounter beano.

Pity.

Posted by Robert Armin (# 182) on :

Hmmmmmm. My own choice for funniest film of all time would be Some Like It Hot. Can't remember what country it came from, but they've had humour for a long time......

Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fletcher christian:
Not even 500 posts yet, and two hell calls
Hope he has a sense of humour

YMMV

Posted by Bean Sidhe (# 11823) on :

Irony? Check out Johnny Bravo.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
I forgot about the Americans, and assorted others without a British, or indeed any, sense of humour.

Okay, let me break this out for you....

I forgot about
- Americans
- Others without a British sense of humour
- Others without any sense of humour

Now, to me, there is nothing in that to indicate Americans have no sense of humour, merely that I had forgotten about the differences in British and American senses of humour.

I suppose if you were semi-literate and unused to the concept of "comma's" then you might possibly see it that way. Although if you leaven it with a large dollop of left-wing paranoia then it woud get easier.

This is to everyone who has had a go at me above though, regardless of country, or sense of humour... go and fuck yourselves
[Smile]

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:

I suppose if you were semi-literate and unused to the concept of "comma's"

Now that is quite funny.

[ 08. December 2012, 16:42: Message edited by: Firenze ]

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:

quote:
Originally posted by deano:

I suppose if you were semi-literate and unused to the concept of "comma's"
Now that is quite funny.

Indeed.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

See, I knew one little apostrophe would get some of you smiling!

You are absolved of the fuck you'ness as you are fully literate!

Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on :

Good save. You almost looked stupid back there.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

It just means we can't conclude anything from your use of punctuation, so your "defense" dies aborning.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
It just means we can't conclude anything from your use of punctuation, so your "defense" dies aborning.

Ah! I see. So you couldn't draw a conclusion from my quote... but you decided to draw one anyway. Was that the paranoia perhaps?

Are you always on the lookout for percieved slights on you or your country? Do you get many false-positives?

Posted by roybart (# 17357) on :

deano, you must be in heaven, being the center of attention on so many threads at the moment.

Just wanted to assure you that many of us who are "American" understand quite well when British people are attempting to be funny. More than that, many kinds of British humor are extremely funny to us as well.

If we express contempt for something you say, please understand that it isn't merely because we cannot comprehend you or what you are trying to do. The problem that some of us have with you is that we DO comprehend you quite well.

[ 08. December 2012, 18:47: Message edited by: roybart ]

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
Originally posted by roybart:
deano, you must be in heaven, being the center of attention on so many threads at the moment.

Just wanted to assure you that many of us who are "American" understand quite well when British people are attempting to be funny. More than that, many kinds of British humor are extremely funny to us as well.

If we express contempt for something you say, please understand that it isn't merely because we cannot comprehend you or what you are trying to do. The problem that some of us have with you is that we DO comprehend you quite well.

I must admit, I do find it strange that my name is in so many thread titles! Is there a record for this?

I might start one myself... Deano on Deano. Sounds like an autobiography doesn't it?

I don't mind being held in contempt by anyone as long as they understand what I've said. It's being held in contempt for things I haven't said that bothers me. Because if someone hasn't understood what I've said, then contempt may well be to mild an emotion, and raging, visceral hatred would be a more appropriate response.

It the end of the day it bothers me not one whit, because I know how "right-on", left-leaning, sentimental and downright irrational the ship can be, but it's where I come to get my God-fix and to learn more about my faith from people who are wiser in those things than I. Being held in contempt is just the price of admission for a Conservative round here.

The surest way to be held in contempt on the ship is to say you don't agree with a left-wing position on something. As someone who is active in Conservative politics in real-life, I'm used to it, and I'm certainly not going to get upset because some people with opposing political views don't like me.

Posted by roybart (# 17357) on :

You delude yourself, deano. Speaking for myself, I am not at all upset by your politics, such as they are. It's your enormous self-satisfaction that amazes me. The essential theme of so much of what you say seems to come back proudly and inevitably to: "It's all about me."

[ 08. December 2012, 19:10: Message edited by: roybart ]

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

I could accept that if it were I who had STARTED the threads, but it wasn't. But I'll be buggered if I'll let everyone have a pop at me without coming back on it!

By the way you self-righteous prig, this is Hell and just like everyone else I reserve the right to defend myself in as aggressive a manner as I see fit, providing the hosts are amenable.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I might start one myself... Deano on Deano. Sounds like an autobiography doesn't it?

You love yourself this much.

Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :

posted by deano:

quote:

It the end of the day it bothers me not one whit, because I know how "right-on", left-leaning, sentimental and downright irrational the ship can be, but it's where I come to get my God-fix and to learn more about my faith from people who are wiser in those things than I. Being held in contempt is just the price of admission for a Conservative round here.

The surest way to be held in contempt on the ship is to say you don't agree with a left-wing position on something. As someone who is active in Conservative politics in real-life, I'm used to it, and I'm certainly not going to get upset because some people with opposing political views don't like me.

We seem to be back to that overly simplistic black and white world of yours. I tell you what; here's the world's tiniest little martyrs medal just for you. It plays a pretty tune if you press it.

Posted by Rosa Winkel (# 11424) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
As someone who is active in Conservative politics in real-life, I'm used to it, and I'm certainly not going to get upset because some people with opposing political views don't like me.

There are Tories on here who manage to avoid regular hell-calls. My experience of Hell is that it is not political views that sees ones posts disliked, rather, the style of posting and inability to engage. Ken showed you up on the "Is the UK ruled by a political elite?" thread and your answer to him was purely putting your fingers in your ears.

Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
It the end of the day it bothers me not one whit, because I know how "right-on", left-leaning, sentimental and downright irrational the ship can be, but it's where I come to get my God-fix and to learn more about my faith from people who are wiser in those things than I. Being held in contempt is just the price of admission for a Conservative round here.

Hi Deano, I'm British. I have a very British sense of humour (and an appreciation of good American comedy), have cracked (what I consider to be rather funny) jokes in front of Americans which have fallen flat, hold right-wing political views, have done my bit of campaigning for the Tories, agreed with the sentiment you originally expressed in the McDonalds / Christmas thread, and share your frustration about the hand-wringing left-wing bent that this board sometimes shows. I am also familiar with the use of commas (including the Oxford comma, as you can see in the preceding sentence).

But that's me, and this thread is about you.

You really should stop digging. In your Purgatory thread I understood (and was broadly sympathetic to) your OP, but you seem now to be arguing something else quite different.

In terms of the post that Mousethief has called you up on, it seems that the interpretation that he (and others) made was a reasonable one. It's certainly how I understood it.

So even if we are surrounded here by Welfarist commie fifth columnists, it doesn't follow that their reading comprehension is as bad as a state comprehensive school pupil. If they all mis-understand you, perhaps it's because you aren't expressing yourself clearly enough?

Love and kisses,

Anglican't

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
It the end of the day it bothers me not one whit, because I know how "right-on", left-leaning, sentimental and downright irrational the ship can be,

You know nothing.

quote:

The surest way to be held in contempt on the ship is to say you don't agree with a left-wing position on something.

Wrong again. Another way is to post a left wing position that cannot be collaborated. In fact any view, political or theological. I know, I've done it.

Marvin the Martian has been promoted from Host here in Hell to a ship Admin. And he has right wing views from what I can gather from his posts.

Think through what you post and what you post will be treated with respect.

Posted by Spiffy (# 5267) on :

You know, I've been around here ten years now, averaging about a thousand posts a year or so. And I've never once been called to Hell. And it's not like I'm the shy, retiring type.

Twice in as many weeks? Maybe you should look at your life and choices.

Or just go on campaigning for the post of Rear Admiral of the Douchecanoe Navy. Whatevs.

Posted by Bean Sidhe (# 11823) on :

Ah people, people - don't feed him.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

Humiliated because somebody was unhealthily obsessed enought to look back give years ago? I don't think so but your mileage may vary.

If you don't want me to post, don't start threads with my name in them.

And finally I refer you all to Curiosity Killed...'s lated thread in Hell.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
If you don't want me to post, don't start threads with my name in them.

It's not that we don't want you to post. It's that we don't want you to post like an asshole. See the difference?

Posted by Niteowl (# 15841) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:

The surest way to be held in contempt on the ship is to say you don't agree with a left-wing position on something. As someone who is active in Conservative politics in real-life, I'm used to it, and I'm certainly not going to get upset because some people with opposing political views don't like me.

There are many well respected people here with right wing political viewpoints. There viewpoints are welcomed and debated. Those who find themselves not held in a positive light here are those who don't respect the people they are discussing/debating with and/or they don't come to the discussion with well thought out and written posts providing backup for their point of view. Your having two hell calls in such a short time time and reading your posts tells me you qualify for that distinction.

Posted by Niteowl (# 15841) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
If you don't want me to post, don't start threads with my name in them.
It's not that we don't want you to post. It's that we don't want you to post like an asshole. See the difference?

This. Please stay, read and get a feel of the ship. Many posters who have started out like you have either gone on to become valued members of the ship or leave by choice or they've gotten the attention of the Admins in a not positive way.

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

I write a lot of posts that I leave in draft stage for anywhere between a few seconds to overnight. Usually, thankfully, I hold posts in draft stage when I am mad, or even just grumpy.

What I find is that a goodly percentage of the time I simply delete the posts I have held in draft. The others are edited until they are fit for consumption.

In case you were unaware, my political leanings are generally to the left of center. That being said, I agree with you on some things. I agree with Marvin quite a lot.

The thing I have observed about life in general is that most people like to think they are right. They believe they are doing the right thing for the right reasons. They believe that their views are well informed and accurate. People also tend to view an attack on their views as a personal attack upon themselves.

Hence deano, views attacks on his posting style as attacks upon his person. Many of the posts on this thread lend credence to that belief.

OTOH (deano, that means on the other hand and I don't feel like typing the whole phrase) deano saying Americans have no sense of humor is seen as personal by many of the targets of the remark. An impartial observer could have the same view of the remark.

This is a long winded way of suggesting that you might look over your draft posts for a bit before hitting the "Add reply" button deano.

You are pretty smart. Use your intelligence to good effect.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Niteowl:

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
If you don't want me to post, don't start threads with my name in them.
It's not that we don't want you to post. It's that we don't want you to post like an asshole. See the difference?
This. Please stay, read and get a feel of the ship.

I think he already has a feel for the ship.

Posted by Niteowl (# 15841) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:

quote:
Originally posted by Niteowl:

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
If you don't want me to post, don't start threads with my name in them.
It's not that we don't want you to post. It's that we don't want you to post like an asshole. See the difference?
This. Please stay, read and get a feel of the ship.
I think he already has a feel for the ship.

Silly me, didn't look at his join date. He was posting like a newbie stumbling in from the net with the bluster and self importance some do before they decide to become a positive member or exit by choice or force. If he's been around that long I'd say he's a hopeless case.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

It looks like between that post and 26 November of this year, he has posted a grand total of 4 times. Apparently a 5-year vacation hasn't taught him not to be a total jerk.

Posted by Beeswax Altar (# 11644) on :

quote:
originally posted by balaam:
Wrong again. Another way is to post a left wing position that cannot be collaborated. In fact any view, political or theological. I know, I've done it.

Can you give me an example of somebody being held in contempt for posting a left wing position that cannot be collaborated?

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

Okay, quite a bit to get through, so apologies for the long post.

Let’s start with my posting “style”. Well, I don’t see how I’ve been any different to any other posters in Hell, apart from my position. There are two threads in Hell at the moment that have been raised by other people, so let’s deal with them separately.

The “Deano on World War II” thread was started by some fool – never was there a more appropriate name – who took it upon herself to take a post of mine completely out of context in a purgatory thread, and be offended by it. Well, Beeswax Altar and a few others in that purgatory thread explained my position to her, not just me. But nevertheless, she felt offended and so decided to use abusive language about me in her thread in Hell. I responded in kind and made my points that I was making in Purgatory in her Hell thread, but with more basic language.

It isn’t surprising that I get “to the point” when my positions are taken out of context. Nobody likes that. I also didn’t like being called a liar. I’m surprised at you Fletcher Christian, for getting on your high horse in this thread, when you say things about Richard Rhodes “The Making of the Atomic Bomb” such as…

quote:
Originally posted by fletcher christian:
Nope, you're still talking out of your ass deano. The book you quote actually ends with the creation of the atomic bomb and doesn't actually deal with any of the war at all.
Nice try though.

The actual link to Amazon that describes the book is here…

The Making of the Atomic Bomb

The Amazon description is...

quote:
With a brand new introduction from the author, this is the complete story of how the bomb was developed. It is told in rich, human, political, and scientific detail, from the turn-of-the-century discovery of the vast energy locked inside the atom to the dropping of the first bombs on Japan. Few great discoveries have evolved so swiftly -- or have been so misunderstood. From the theoretical discussions of nuclear energy to the bright glare of Trinity there was a span of hardly more than twenty-five years. What began as merely an interesting speculative problem in physics grew into the Manhattan Project, and then into the Bomb with frightening rapidity, while scientists known only to their peers -- Szilard, Teller, Oppenheimer, Bohr, Meitner, Fermi, Lawrence, and yon Neumann -- stepped from their ivory towers into the limelight. Richard Rhodes takes us on that journey step by step, minute by minute, and gives us the definitive story of man's most awesome discovery and invention. The Making of the Atomic Bomb has been compared in its sweep and importance to William L. Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. It is at once a narrative tour de force and a document as powerful as its subject.

So Fletcher Christian called me a liar in that thread. I posted evidence that I was right. It was in a Hell thread and he got what he deserved, humiliation after being exposed as liar, and an incompetent one at that!

So on that thread my quotes were wilfully taken out of context, and I was called a liar by a liar, and I had good solid proof that I was right. What do you want from me? To turn the other cheek? No, sorry, I don’t like being treated that way and I will respond in kind, as do all of you.

The next thread is this one. I’ve explained what I meant, and yet people aren’t happy with it. It’s as though you WANT to dislike me. You do of course. If I was a nice part of the groupthink on the Ship and I’d have made an equally silly mistake in grammar, then this thread would probably not have existed, especially as I clarified it quite soon afterwards. But that isn’t the point is it. You need to feel offended and my apology for the mistake and clarification has left you with nothing to be offended about. So you go back five years and debate my “style”!

This brings me neatly onto my last point. It seems that the gap between my original joining of the ship and my recent posts have caused a little stir. Well it’s tempting to say that I have the right to post as and when I want, but I doubt that will suffice for the visitors of Bedlam who want to be entertained Goddammit!

So I will give you an abridged explanation. I have made a few posts here on one of the private boards since 2007. I won’t say which it is because it’s none of your business, however if you are entitled to join that board, you will have seen my posts and you will be able to join the dots as to why I have avoided somewhere where I will be treated as a pariah for my political stance. If that isn’t good enough for you, tough. It’s all you are getting.

(Incidentally, can anyone explain how to go back to look at people’s quotes? I wouldn’t mind trawling back through some shipmates posting history to see if there is anything that would be interesting to folks today.)

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

deano,

i) If you care to search the "Oblivion" Board, you can find all sorts of interesting stuff; you work in IT so that should be child's play.

ii) As for being tempted "to say that I have the right to post as and when I want" you are dead right to imply that these are abridged, and it is the Ship's Ten Commandments, with the appropriate Board Guidelines, that is the basis for that.

Sioni Sais
Helpful Hellhost

[ 09. December 2012, 14:23: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
It’s as though you WANT to dislike me.

Well, I personally want to dislike you. And I just want to thank you for making it so fucking easy.

Out of curiosity, where do you attach the nozzle? To get such well-projected douche, I mean.

Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :

Here is the New York Times review of the book from 1987. It isn't a book that deals in essence with the politics of war, or why the bomb was dropped on Japan. It's a book that explores the complexities of the creation of the atomic bomb, which Rhodes labels an 'inevitable evil', and he shows how that period of history led to its creation with the sort of minds fixed on its arrival.

There is a 25th anniversary edition of the book which may have extra material in it which Deano may be referencing. I haven't read that version. Although I find it hard to believe that Rhodes would come to a simplistic evaluation of why the bomb was dropped that Deano quotes, when he so very carefully avoids any such suggestion in the book I read.

Posted by hatless (# 3365) on :

I've read the book and have my copy beside me now, and there's very little about the war in it. There are eyewitness accounts of the effects of the bomb on Hiroshima which is an aspect of the war, I suppose, but most of the book is about the coming together of the scientists and the research and development that followed.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
Originally posted by fletcher christian:
Here is the New York Times review of the book from 1987. It isn't a book that deals in essence with the politics of war, or why the bomb was dropped on Japan. It's a book that explores the complexities of the creation of the atomic bomb, which Rhodes labels an 'inevitable evil', and he shows how that period of history led to its creation with the sort of minds fixed on its arrival.

There is a 25th anniversary edition of the book which may have extra material in it which Deano may be referencing. I haven't read that version. Although I find it hard to believe that Rhodes would come to a simplistic evaluation of why the bomb was dropped that Deano quotes, when he so very carefully avoids any such suggestion in the book I read.

If you read the threads carefully you will see that I state quite clearly that the reasons were many and complex. That's another lie you've told.

I don't know which book you have read, if any, but I have read the one in the Amazon link. People can get the book, read it and then make up their own minds. I'm confident that I will be vindicated.

That book is the one I have paraphrased from, and it is from those paraphrases that you called me a liar, when it is you that has clearly been lying through his teeth.

Stop digging Fletcher, your hole is quite deep enough. Another post, another lie.

Posted by QLib (# 43) on :

Deano - FC is not generally known on these boards for dishonesty, whereas it is quite possible to (probably unintenitonally) misrepresent a book by paraphrasing certain passages. Or for honest and intelligent people to genuinely disagree about whether a paraphrase is helpful or misleading or not.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

deano, really, this may be about shovels, but it is not about shovelling holes. If you haven't realized that others think you're shovelling something rather more stinky and sloppy, you have a serious focussing problem and display pathological levels cognitive rigidity.

What you say is not necessarily the issue, it is how you say it. You are mistaking content for form and process. It is not what you produce when you sit on the throne of thought, it is that it is accompanied by such unpleasant vocalizations and flatus. Even if you're producing it all from another bung hole.

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

When RooK appears on a Hell thread in playful mood, the prudent know the times and the seasons.

Just a friendly nudge, deano. Particularly given 2007 experiences.

Seven doors deep in the doghouse is quite deep enough.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

Deano,

Barnabas62 is in running for the nicest person on the ship. And most reasonable. Take his advice.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
Originally posted by QLib:
Deano - FC is not generally known on these boards for dishonesty, whereas it is quite possible to (probably unintenitonally) misrepresent a book by paraphrasing certain passages. Or for honest and intelligent people to genuinely disagree about whether a paraphrase is helpful or misleading or not.

Well I've made it perfectly clear that I stand by my comments from the book. I've shown exactly which book it is and if people want to buy it or get it from a library and read it themselves then fine.

It is 900 pages and quite densely printed, and by my estimation the last half to a third of the book describes the development of the weapons during the second world war, about 300-400 pages or so.

It also describes the political issues surrounding the building and the general issues regarding the state of the war. It details both the firebombings of Dresden and Japan in detail, and the considerations behind them.

It covers the debates surrounding the droping of the bombs and the attempts by Niels Bohr to persuade the Americans to share the technology with the Soviets.

It even discusses the characters and motivation of a few key individuals, such as Curtis Le May fearing failure above all else, because his father was a drifter and failure at almost everything.

And then FC says "The book you quote actually ends with the creation of the atomic bomb and doesn't actually deal with any of the war at all."!

That doesn't read like a genuine disagreement over a paraphrase! It is stating, quite baldly, that the book covers nothing about the subject being discussed. The only conclusion one could reach from reading such a statement is that I was lying! Nothing collegiate there at all, so I feel vindicated in using similar language in my rebuttal.

I have made this point three times now in three separate threads. It is either accepted or it is not.

Nobody seems to have anything further to add to the original point of the thread, or the one about World War II.

I made my clarifications about the humour issue, I have asked people to read the Richard Rhodes book and make up their own minds, and I remain convinced that the allies were morally better than the axis powers. I have no respect for No Prophet, and take her views as "noise" to be filtered out.

I'm finished with this thread, as I see no point in continuing.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I'm finished with this thread, as I see no point in continuing.

Sounds good to me, as:

1. We ALREADY have a World War II thread in Hell. We don't need two, folks.

2. I honestly wonder what the fuck half of you are on about. I'm a left-leaning person myself, and I can't see that deano's done anything particularly terrible. But hey, we're all allowed opinions. Including opinions that make others go WTF.

It's because it's winter up there in the sodding Northern Hemisphere, isn't it? You're all cooped up inside, and so that means you all spend more time on the Ship going crazy.

Posted by Niteowl (# 15841) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I'm finished with this thread, as I see no point in continuing.
Sounds good to me, as:

1. We ALREADY have a World War II thread in Hell. We don't need two, folks.

2. I honestly wonder what the fuck half of you are on about. I'm a left-leaning person myself, and I can't see that deano's done anything particularly terrible. But hey, we're all allowed opinions. Including opinions that make others go WTF.

It's because it's winter up there in the sodding Northern Hemisphere, isn't it? You're all cooped up inside, and so that means you all spend more time on the Ship going crazy.

Since your hostly tag isn't showing I'll make the same point to you that many of us made to Deano - it's not his opinions that got him 2 threads of his own - it's his jerkish posting style. Too many jerkish posts in more than one board tends to get one called to hell. You've even participated in a few yourself...

Posted by Beeswax Altar (# 11644) on :

I'm with orfeo. Deano is being called to hell because of the content of his views not the way he expresses them. If Deano were a leftie, nobody would take issue with how he expressed his views much less call him to Hell. But, for whatever reason, some Shipmates feel it important to maintain the fiction that people get called to Hell primarily for how they express their views and not the content of their views.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
Let’s start with my posting “style”. Well, I don’t see how I’ve been any different to any other posters in Hell, apart from my position.

I didn't call you to Hell for something you posted in Hell, you fucking tool, but for something you posted in Purgatory.

quote:
Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
I'm with orfeo. Deano is being called to hell because of the content of his views not the way he expresses them.

Funny. Orfeo never said any such thing.

Posted by Beeswax Altar (# 11644) on :

Orfeo claims he doesn't know why you are all up in arms over deano. I suspect he does. I sure do.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

Yes. It's because he doesn't know how to use comma's.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

Anyway, this time I am going to put my hostly tags on, and say that thread is closed on the grounds that deano has expressly left it.

If he changes his mind, or if anyone else has a reason to get it reopened, they can get in touch.

As previously mentioned, we already have a World War II/What does that book about the atom bomb really say thread available in Hell.

"Help! Help! I'm Right Wing and the Ship Is Persecuting Me!" and "Why Right Wingers Are Scum" can be created as necessary, and frequently are.

And Pond Wars can be started at will so long as you remember that you risk at least one Aussie coming in over the top to tell you you're a load of drongos.

orfeo
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