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Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
I don't think we already have a running thread?

Well I have just joined a ladies' only running group as a total beginner. My trainers are so ancient that they have caused great mirth amongst the other members. We have had 2 sessions with the coach so far, firstly alternating 2 minutes walking with 2 running, then moving on to 3 and 2, and today 3 and 1, and our "homework" is to do eight sets of 3 and 1 and then 8 sets of 4 and 1. I am surprising myself at how hard this was to start with, how my lungs were on fire and I felt sick, how I wished for time to pass and how hellish it was to have to start running after the walk when I just wanted to crawl into a hole.

But it is getting better! The aim is to be able to do 5km without stopping, and since I have no idea how far that is in real money i.e. miles, it's an easy enough target.

Anyone else care to join in with tales of running woe? or other newly-begun sporting prowess?
 
Posted by Og, King of Bashan (# 9562) on :
 
I was on the cross country team in high school. I went to a small school, so in order to field teams, they had to require each student to participate in two seasons of sports. The cross country team was where the artistically or academically minded kids who tripped over their own feet when trying to kick a ball went. The van rides from race to race were a lot of fun, although we weren’t setting any records. I never broke 20 minutes on a 5K, but I came close once. As a beginner, I would think of a 5K as running down the trail for 30 minutes. If you can do that, you can do a 5K.

Since then, not much running. I did a half marathon a few years ago, and finished in 2 hours. At the time, I thought that I could probably have gone for another 2 hours if I had to, but I ski, so I value my knees too much to ever attempt a marathon.

Be sure that your coach is giving you advice on how to hold your hands, and watching how you are planting your feet. I wouldn’t wish shin splints on an enemy.
 
Posted by comet (# 10353) on :
 
as usual, winter has scuttled my running. someday I'm going to have a treadmill. every year I think I'm going to put on the creepers and run on the ice - but I try it once or twice and it blows and then I quit. I bought new trailer runners in the fall (of course) so I'm all set for spring break up!

PS - a 5K is about 3 miles.

[ 24. January 2012, 18:15: Message edited by: comet ]
 
Posted by no_prophet (# 15560) on :
 
I've been a runner for a very long time, maybe 35 years. The keys to keeping it going were 2. First, I decided that weather made no difference, I would simply dress for it. The problem has always been face. I wear glasses and it is difficult not to fog them if your mouth and/or nose is covered. This is an issue when running into a breeze at -30 or 40° (C or F, and sometimes it definitely feels Fahrenheitingly cold).

The second is dogs. They want to go out, and my sense of responsibility makes me take them.

The issue of slipperyness. We generally get cold and stay that way so often spared of ice. A "dry cold". But I do use ski poles and have a pair of old runners I put 1/4" flat head screws into the bottoms of. They work for ice, but Thou Shalt Not Never Ever Wear Them In the House!
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
The irony as I read through this is that I haven't returned to running since moving to Darwin because it's too hot. At 35°C and 85% humidity running is very unpleasant. Even swimming in the end became too exhausting for me. But I shall return to it fairkly soon - you guys may inspire me.

Ironically today is the coldest day since we moved here, at only 25.4°C and heading for just 28°C, and I would love a run-shuffle, but I have an ear infection.

You guys may inspire me back to the tracks.

But ... Hosting gently

I may shift this All Saints way ... we'll hold celestial discussions
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
I've been running for about ten years. Well I occasionally stop for a rest. I've done a few half marathons over the years but in the last year I got more serious, shed some weight and have signed up for my first marathon. Rotterdam, April.

In response to the OP, if your trainers really are ancient you should consider changing them. I am pretty tightfisted when it comes to spending money on clothes for myself, but I will not skimp when it comes to running shoes. You need to keep your joints working as long as possible and poor quality or old shoes (the rubber degrades with use and with time) are an easy way of injuring yourself. Best thing is to find a specialist running shop where they let you try out some shoes and watch your action. Different shoes suit different people.

But it's great that you started running Laxton. It can be good fun and more motivating to run in a group like you are doing. Depends a bit on your personality.
 
Posted by Lola (# 627) on :
 
Hi Laxtons

I have been doing something similar to what you describe on and off. I started again after Christmas after a break of two months when work got in the way. Last night I jogged 3km and it took me half an hour but I did not stop at all - yay me.

I have to think about going for a run for the whole hour drive home to convince myself to go. I think about how good it will feel afterwards - I think it does feel good!

One thing that I have found is that when you start from scratch its really, really hard and you have the whole lungs on fire, vomit thing you described. But if you drop down for a short period (for example - I have issues with my work sendig me overseas to work v long hours in the wrong time zone for my body and 40 degree heat - running does not happen!) say six to eight weeks, its not as hard to start up again and you can get better much quicker than the first time around.

My goal is 10km - several years ago I did actualy manage to enter a race which I did finish (last) - to give you all an idea of how crap a runner I am it took me 1 hour 45 mins exactly twice Mr Lola's time. He was however, extremely proud of me!

Lola
 
Posted by OliviaG (# 9881) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Laxton's Superba:
.... But it is getting better! The aim is to be able to do 5km without stopping, and since I have no idea how far that is in real money i.e. miles, it's an easy enough target.

Anyone else care to join in with tales of running woe? or other newly-begun sporting prowess?
<waves>

I am in the 10th week of a 12-week 5K program. I started it because I had reached a good level of health / fitness and needed a goal. I've been unable to run for the last couple of weeks because of snow and torrential rains, but I'm hoping to lace up this afternoon and do 3 miles and get back on track.

I use this terrific page to figure out my running routes:
G Map Pedometer

And I'm obsessive about shoes. I've got six pairs on the go right now. I'm lucky to get an automatic 15% off [Big Grin] - check to see if your shoe store offers any discounts for e.g. going on their mailing list, joining their running groups, whatever. OliviaG
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
Winter has also scuttled my running somewhat. It's just too cold and dark at the minute to get up at 6 am to go running [Help]

In practical terms this means that my running is down to once a week on a Saturday morning at the mo, about 6 or 7 km. Last summer I was running about 35 or 40 km a week until I buggered a calf muscle. Hopefully I will motivate myself to kick it up once it gets warmer and lighter in the mornings.

Laxton's, I would also agree that if you want to run regularly, it's worth shelling out for some new running shoes. You're much less likely to damage your knees that way.

(My personal rant on the subject - why is sportswear for women ALWAYS bloody fuschia pink? Or black with fuschia trims? That said, Gap have just brought a very cute (if rather pricy) non-fuschia collection.)
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
I don't run, except for the occasional wind sprint to get across the rail tracks near our convention centre before the light at the crosswalk turns red. I do work on trade shows associated with a marathon sponsored by a local restaurant chain.

I may yet get into running someday when I have the time to train. Meanwhile, I highly recommend the book What I talk about when I talk about running by my favourite author Haruki Murakami who may well get the Nobel Prize in literature someday. He is primarily a novelist of the surreal, but he has also written other non-fiction including an analysis of the sarin gas attacks on the Tokyo Underground a few years ago.
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
The trainers were bought when Safeway was still Safeway and not Morrisons. Oops. Yes, the coach has a money-off deal with a running shop who film your gait as you run on a treadmill then recommend an appropriate shoe. She did say not to buy just yet in case I decided that running was not my thing, which I thought good advice.
We were discussing how your core strength remains even if you drop out for a bit, so it's good to hear that others have that experience. I can't imagine getting past the lungs burning want to throw up stage but I am determined to give this a go. I can already feel the muscles in my legs changing and it is a good feeling!
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Winter has also scuttled my running somewhat. It's just too cold and dark at the minute to get up at 6 am to go running [Help]
Wimp. You are way down south - don't whine about the weather.
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:

(My personal rant on the subject - why is sportswear for women ALWAYS bloody fuschia pink? Or black with fuschia trims? That said, Gap have just brought a very cute (if rather pricy) non-fuschia collection.)
Well, I confess that I bought a pair of running trousers that were on special offer (see cheapskate quote above). They were the normal black with lime green (lemon yellow?) flash. Only after I'd used them a couple of times did I notice that the label said they were ladies kit. So I guess you can buy gents kit without too much problem. For info I am 1m85 and around 85kg.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
Well, I have been running for ... a long time now. I have run a few marathons but that was a quarter of a century ago and I was a veteran then! Trying to get back into running reasonably well, but it is hard work (and of course nothing to do with age (68)). Booked into a half marathon in a couple of month's time and a slight sense of panic is setting in.

Keys to all this (based on much experience) seem to be:
rule 1. just go running.
rule 2, if something hurts,especially if it hurts more when you have been running for a while, STOP and do something else until it stops hurting. If it doesn't stop see a physio. I think that's more or less it. And.
rule 3. make sure you have decent shoes that fit. As noted, they deteriorate with age/distance. Other kit doesn't matter and Blackbeard is not noted for sartorial elegance. He is noted for a tendency to wear shorts in winter (English winter that is) but does have hairy legs.
rule 4. take it easy for short distances if you are overweight / unfit / have dodgy joints, otherwise see rule 1.
rule 5. Enjoy (and see rule 1).

Incidentally in UK and some other places there are parkruns (5 km, timed, informal) which are fun (and free). Normally on Saturday mornings.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Winter has also scuttled my running somewhat. It's just too cold and dark at the minute to get up at 6 am to go running [Help]
Wimp. You are way down south - don't whine about the weather.
Point of order - further south but further inland and different timezone. It's true that it's been a mild year, but Paris in winter is often -5°, and in December it doesn't get light until 9 a.m. (and it's still after 8, now). That's my excuse, anyway - what Blackbeard over in the circus called SPOD (Seasonal Pissed Off Disorder) [Biased]
 
Posted by Jenn. (# 5239) on :
 
I did a walk/run today and I wanted to post here because I am very proud of myself.

2 mins walk / 2 mins run for 30 mins. Covered 4.3km.

I am very very pleased with that - maybe I can do a park run after all!
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
well done Jenn. That's the spirit. I am on 3 minutes run 1 walk but tomorrow's "homework" is to up that to 4 run 1 walk. An extra minute is a looooong time but I am going straight after mass so will feel extra holy and virtuous, ho ho ho. And after that I am having CAKE.
 
Posted by OliviaG (# 9881) on :
 
Today is a good day to be a runner - 'cause it finally stopped raining! - so I was able to do 4 miles. Only 6 more runs until I'm officially "ready" for my first 5K race. OliviaG
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Nearly ready to get back into it - my last days of the so-called fitness race were destroyed by torrential rain. And an ear infection. But that at least means I may run before I swim again.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Point of order - further south but further inland and different timezone. It's true that it's been a mild year, but Paris in winter is often -5°
Same time zone as you here (Netherlands), but nearer the coast, I concede. This week we have got some of your -5° weather and people are sharpening their skates. I signed up for a marathon in April and can't afford to miss a week's preparation otherwise I'd be staying snug and warm inside with the rest of them. An hour's run into a freezing headwind on the way back from work the other day wasn't fun. I couldn't feel my head for a while when I got in.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
Fair enough - for some reason I thought you were in the UK. Anyway, it was a rather parky minus 8° last night (not including wind chill), and since I generally regard being able to breathe as a good thing, my response to exercise is a hearty SOD IT until it warms up.

(I wonder if some of the participants here might be interested in the "Exercise Book" thread in All Saints?)

[ 02. February 2012, 09:03: Message edited by: la vie en rouge ]
 
Posted by Hart (# 4991) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by OliviaG:

I use this terrific page to figure out my running routes:
G Map Pedometer
Thanks, that looks like a great site! I'm training for a 10k right now and it's just getting warm enough to run outside. Time to abandon that trusty treadmill!
 
Posted by comet (# 10353) on :
 
it's possible to run comfortably in the cold, freezing your lungs isn't inevitable. I have one of these bad boys and neck gaiters and plain old scarves work well, also.

there's also insulated running tights or very lightweight snowpants so you don't get that frigid thigh thing going on.

I actually love to run in the cold - I overheat too easily - it's the ice that gets to me. I'm allergic to falling on my ass.
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
It was wonderful running under the bright blue sky and sun this morning albeit was minus 6. We did 7 lots of run 5 minutes walk one. On Sunday it'll be 7 lots of 6 and 1. Got my new trainers - £75 but worth it for the difference it makes. The chaps in the running shop had a good laugh at my old daps. They had me up on a treadmill videoing my gait. I am a over-pronator which didn't surprise me, as I have walked pigeon-toed all my life.
Getting quite hooked on this now!
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Okay, you guys have shamed me into my first run for seven months. Certainly not Peter Snell (God I'm showing my age) but an honest 5km 45 minute effort - the distance is approximate. A shuffle more than a run!

Weather here is not condusive to vigorous exercise (currently although only 28.6°C it has a 'feels like' rating of 32.2°C - I've run in much hotter climes but this humidity does slow you down).

Now you've got to shame me inrto doing it again ...
 
Posted by claudine (# 12441) on :
 
I began running last July, following the Couch-to-5k programme, which is a good way to start. Since then I have started running with a group on Saturday mornings and exploring various local parks. I ran a 4.2k race in October and a 5k in November. My next goals are to break my 5k-in-40-minutes barrier, and to run a 10k this July.

Unfortunately I haven't been running much in the past few weeks as I basically shut down during the Melbourne summer (maybe not as bad as Darwin, but still extreme in my book).
 
Posted by OliviaG (# 9881) on :
 
Today, I crowned Week 11 of my 12-week 5K program with a 5 mile run. It was totally fun and comfortable. [Yipee] It was also fun seeing the same faces on the way there and on the way back! OliviaG
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Down in the dumps at the moment. I did a 28 km run (2/3 marathon) last weekend as part of my marathon preparation. It went ok but I have developed a weird flu-like muscle and joint ache since, and haven't run for a week. Very frustrated, especially as we have started having some good weather finally.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Mmm, yes, I've had that too, but without the marathon first. Feels like you've been all shook up in a car crash. [brick wall]
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
Down in the dumps at the moment. ....
Not much I can say, except I understand your frustration! happens to us all.

I have a different problem ... have been really trying to improve fitness but run times stay obstinately more or less where they were. I just carry on in the hope that they will suddenly improve to something more satisfactory - that can happen too. Sometimes.
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by claudine:
I began running last July, following the Couch-to-5k programme, which is a good way to start...
I have bookmarked the above site. Having read this thread and lost some weight, I am seriously thinking about taking up running in a small way. I do have trousers suitable for winter training in what passes for winter here in the desert. I should be about fourteen and a half stone by early March. Would skipping steps on the way upstairs and running downstairs be good training?
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by blackbeard:
....it is hard work (and of course nothing to do with age (68)). Booked into a half marathon in a couple of month's time and a slight sense of panic is setting in.
Mr. Murakami is also in his 60s. Read his book - see above.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Skipping is one of the finest forms of exercise, Sir Kevin ... except I fear that's not what you meant!
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Ooops ... what I meant to come on and say was I managed a follow up 5km today. A lot faster but, as it didn't feel it, I suspect my timing was wrong yesterday. 37 minutes - still don't know for sure what the distance is. A bit later in the day today, so a bit warmer, too ... the 'feels like'* is 35.6°C.

*some combination of actual temperature (31.1°C) and humidity (62%)

[ 21. February 2012, 01:45: Message edited by: Zappa ]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
and oh ye gods my quads are sore!
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Another day, another run, and the quads are freeing up. Cooler conditions, too, overcast with some heavy rain and thunder as I ran, only 24.1°C which is considered cool here. Time was down to 35 minutes, probably as much to do with the gentler climate as the improving quads!
 
Posted by OliviaG (# 9881) on :
 
An interesting study -- from our point of view, on the importance of cross-training!
Use it or lose it

OliviaG
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Missed out yesterday, but managed it again today - and chose the hottest hour of the day (33.8 but 55% humidity so running with a 'feels like' of 40.0°C). That's shade temps, and 90% of the run was in the sun.

So it hurt a bit, but times are coming down still as muscle memory and old rhythms pick up, I suppose.

Now I'm housebound a storm is moving in, it has begun to rain, and running would be a whole lot more pleasant.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
Right, the weather's warmed up again (somewhere round about 12°) so I need to get back into it. 5km last night, don't know how long, but I just need to get some mileage in. I'm hoping that if I publicly announce here that I'm going to go running three times a week, I may actually shame myself into doing it...
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Finally got back on the road, tentatively, after two weeks off. Marathon is just over six weeks away. I'll have to see how it goes over the next week, but I might have to pull out if it goes badly. Frustrating, but it would be worse attempting it if I'm not ready.
[Disappointed]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Yesterday and today I managed my 5km circuit again. It's around 33-34 minutes so it may be under 5 kms, I'm not sure; although my jog is loosening up I sure as hell ain't Kip Keino. Overcast yesterday and today so only mid to low 30s as a 'feels like' temperature.
 
Posted by OliviaG (# 9881) on :
 
I finished my 5K training program today. [Yipee] Next step is to join the fun runs at the nearest shoe store. Next fitness goal is to learn to roller skate! [Yipee] [Yipee] OliviaG
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
Skipping is one of the finest forms of exercise, Sir Kevin ... except I fear that's not what you meant!
I do like regular skipping: one day last week, I did it at school with some of my kindergarteners. I think I can skip much faster than I run, and besides, it's more fun!
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Well done Sir - you could certainly outskip me - though it used to be a fundamental part of our rowing training, er, 35 years ago.
 
Posted by Annie P (# 3453) on :
 
*kicks off her running shoes and sits in a sulk*.

It's been going so well! Alas, I have fallen out with running this week. Don't quite know why, but have suddenly lost motivation. Two weeks ago I was on target to go running three times in a week (and had been out to do a quick paced 5k followed by some hill training) but then shirked out of my long Saturday morning run. I've just got up to the point where I can plod 8 miles in about 1 hour 30 which is most excellent for a well built girl such as myself.

However, this week I've done nothing. So, inspire me....
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
We're up to running 15 minutes at a time, one minute walk, 15 minutes run again. Out tomorrow for another crack at this. I reckon we did about 3 miles on Tuesday which is baout 5k isn't it. Hurray! The bar goes up then, to run for 22 minutes - eek. But reading this back I am pleased with my achievement. It is so much easier running with others than alone though. I get so bored on my own, making it far easier to give up.
 
Posted by Annie P (# 3453) on :
 
Laxton, are you part of a Women's Running Network group? If you are, then they are rather good.
 
Posted by Calvin Beedle (# 508) on :
 
I normaly do two runs to work & back a week which are a couple of miles each. The other day I decided to try a half marathon just to see. I completed it but felt like I'd been put on the rack whilst being buggered with a mast pole afterwards. I certainly couldn't have gone any further. Still I'm pleased with the achievement.

[ 01. March 2012, 19:03: Message edited by: Calvin Beedle ]
 
Posted by Annie P (# 3453) on :
 
I trained for the Great North Run, and didn't get up to 10 miles until a couple of weeks before the race, and I started training on and off in January.

I guess I'll pick up where I left off, which is to do a long run on Saturday and see where it goes. My diet is also shot to hell this week, so will have to start again soon. As I say, I'm lacking the inspiration, as I really haven't made much progress since the end of January.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Calvin, if you went straight from a couple of miles up to a half marathon without training for it then I am very impressed. And not at all surprised you are knackered. I tried it once when I was half as old as I am now and felt crap for almost a week afterwards. I don't recommend it.
 
Posted by Calvin Beedle (# 508) on :
 
@ Jonah

No neither would I! To be fair I've done longer ones from time to time, six or seven miles, & I do lots of other exercise. I also sprint a lot during my shorter runs in intervals so I'm fairly fit. From a cardio perspective I was fine but every joint in my body hated me for a few days.
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
Yes Annie, it's a women's group which is I think affiliated. Been out this morning for 15 mins x 2 which is about 3 miles. Glad to get it out of the way early. I've got over the "oh my I'm going to be sick" sensation when running but I can't see I have got to the getting a high from the endorphins part yet....
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Ran my circuit again yesterday - 33-34 mins again - but no break in today's schedule, so Monday will be the next.

Certainly no endorphins! Just bemused pain and post-pain satisfaction.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Calvin, I've just noticed your member number and post count. You must be one of our oldest active apprentices!
 
Posted by Calvin Beedle (# 508) on :
 
@Jonah the Whale

Yes well spotted. I joined ages ago during a wobbly period of my faith and stopped posting after one or two posts. I'll not bore you with the details but I'm back!
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
today will be my only run this week - but a useful 32-33 minutes.
 
Posted by Tea gnome (# 9424) on :
 
I have this now.
I'm a little bit in love. I would take what they say seriously about being aware of your safety if you turn on the chases, and I enjoyed it so much I did up my shin splints so have had to stop for a bit. Also need to buy new shoes.
Ain't gonna get et by no zombie.
TG
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
Well, this is hard work.
Two steps forward and one back, or three back.
Dunno if it's age (no of course it isn't) but after a decent run I'm a bit below par running-wise the next day. Also plagued by sore muscles/tendons.
So it's one day on, one off or thereabouts.
This is a thundering nuisance as my half marathon is in 2 weeks. Not much I can do to get fit in 2 weeks but plenty I can do to get over-tired.
Should have started training a few months before I actually did (but everyone says that).
On the plus side I've had a couple of runs which were faster than anything I managed last year. We shall see how things go.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
I managed another run yesterday - the firing range was in use so I had to re-route my course but approximately the same distance and time. I should have run this arvo but am glad I didn't as a torrential rain and electrical storm surged through, dumping an inch of rain in about ten minutes. I guess I wouldn't have got too sweaty ...
 
Posted by Calvin Beedle (# 508) on :
 
I seem to be suffering from a bit of an achilles heel problem which could (not diagnosed yet) be tendonitis. Has anyone else had this? What did you do?
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Calvin Beedle:
I seem to be suffering from a bit of an achilles heel problem which could (not diagnosed yet) be tendonitis. Has anyone else had this? What did you do?
Yes, and it's quite common I understand.

First, congratulations on going for a proper diagnosis - something I rarely did but should have. Physio or medic?

Some non-medically-assessed and unreliable points meanwhile:

check that your shoes aren't digging in to the back of your heel. The tab at the back, sometimes mis-called an Achilles protector, can sometimes do this. Some runners have been known to cut this off, or cut slits either side of it to allow it to move away from the heel.

Your "normal" shoes can also start this problem, shoe manufacturers may possibly be tempted to make it catch the back of the heel so that the shoe doesn't fall off your foot (as an alternative to making proper shoes that fit). (problem I used to have!)

Another cause may simply be the repeated strain of lifting the heel during normal running action, of course your feet probably are not accustomed to this as the action of the calf muscles and Achilles tendon are less pronounced when walking. The problem is made worse if the heel is lower than usual as this also will place more strain on the tendon or its attachment point on the heel. Especially if your "normal" shoes have a pronounced heel, or if your running shoes are getting a bit tired and the foam under the heel has packed down a bit. If the running shoes are past it, they need replacing of course. Suitable insoles, or a gel wedge under the heel, may help, with a lift of say 1/4-inch or so.

Won't apply to you of course! but worth mentioning: for anyone who hasn't run much before, but now pitches right in with lots of miles, especially if overweight and unfit to begin with: trouble in some form is guaranteed. Only remedy is patience and taking things gradually.

Sports physios especially can advise, also some sports shops (real ones not mass cut-price outlets) can sometimes help, some shops can even do gait analysis.

Good to tackle this before it's serious. Once it gets bad it can take a long time to settle down.
 
Posted by Calvin Beedle (# 508) on :
 
Thanks Blackbeard. I did change my shoes recently (When not running I walk a couple of miles to work so this could be part of the problem). I'm going to see a specialist & I've got strong feeling they're going to say that dreaded word, REST. I used to be quite porky & having run it off have a worry about going back to it if I stop exercising.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quick point; REST means rest for the bit that needs it. It does not mean doing nothing. You will probably still be able to swim, for instance. Or most gym exercises. Walking substantial distances might, or might not, be on. Ask what might be a reasonable approach.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Five weeks to M-Day. Tomorrow I try a two hour training run four weeks after my last long run. Illness and niggling injury worries conspired to curtail my efforts until now. So I have a very brief window in which to get properly ready.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
..... So I have a very brief window in which to get properly ready.
You and me both, mate, mine's only a half marathon but I have only two weeks now; which means the die is pretty well cast.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
32 minutes again today, but though it was only 27°C it was 94% humidity, so it felt like running in hot porridge.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Heavy rain to run in today - sometimes running through two or three inches of surface water ...
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by blackbeard:
quote:
Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
..... So I have a very brief window in which to get properly ready.
You and me both, mate, mine's only a half marathon but I have only two weeks now; which means the die is pretty well cast.
It must be this weekend for you blackbeard. Good luck mate! Let us know how you do.

My brief window seems to be (hopefully) just wide enough. I am supposed to do my long runs a week apart, but I have been squeezing them in more like five days apart recently, fortunately without injury. I did 28k on Tuesday and have 30k planned for Sunday.

Some people reckon I should do at least one run of over 32km, because that is when you hit the "wall", but others say you knacker yourself like that. I am still undecided, but I think a run of 32km+, with not much more than two weeks to go is too much. That is when I need to start tapering down. This is my first marathon so I listen to everyone who's done one, and they all say something slightly different.
 
Posted by Hart (# 4991) on :
 
I have a question I've waited way too long to ask. I have my first 10k tomorrow. Race starts at 9:15 (Eastern). What should I have for breakfast?

Answers in the next twelve hours especially appreciated!
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
The best race I ever ran i ran on donuts! But I was 17 at the time.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Hart:
...What should I have for breakfast?

....
Not too much, and not too heavy. Something easily digested, and give it plenty of time for digestion. What you normally eat, perhaps.

Drink plenty but NOT strong coffee either at breakfast or at any other time before start(voice of experience there!).

Oh, and, er, um, shall we say, in a manner of speaking ... as it were ... don't forget to visit the, er, loo.

And, most important, enjoy your run.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
[... Good luck mate! Let us know how you do.

...
Thanks Jonah
 
Posted by Hart (# 4991) on :
 
Thanks! OK, light breakfast eaten a couple of hours before the race starts. Half a cup of coffee (0 would not go well for me) with breakfast, drinking OJ and waiting till it's time to go over.
 
Posted by Hart (# 4991) on :
 
...and it went quite well. Perfect weather -- 60 and cloudy. I think I held my pace pretty well for the first half, not surging when people passed me (many of whom I then passed on the second half). I upped the tempo at about mile 3.5. My main cheering section was at mile 4.2, which was great, because that's about when running stops being fun for me. I upped things too much, though, as I had to drop the pace around mile 5. I had enough left to sprint the last 100 yards.

Unfortunately, a combination of sprinting, not wearing my glasses, and not knowing where to look for the clock meant I completely missed my time! Chip time will be coming out soon. My low aim was 65 minutes and my high aim was 60. After I'd hydrated and got some food, I went to watch people finish and the clock was at 73. I'm guessing I came in about 65, but we'll see. Main aim was just to finish.

Want to do another one.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
personally I takes me hat off to you!
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Ditto. Atta boy. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
It's been a busy week-end. Yesterday, final rehearsal and performance in a concert of Mozart's music including Requiem (as a bass in the Chorus). Those who have done this will understand.

And this morning. The half marathon. Went surprisingly well but I'm in no hurry to enter a full marathon; tanks were definitely empty, and muscles definitely fed up, at the finish. Time was (mumble) and a tad better than last year, nowhere near the fast boys (and girls). But, all things considered, not bad for an elderly diabetic pensioner now evidently fully recovered from life threatening illness ....

... even though it's sobering to realise that some runners in my age group got round in about half an hour less time than I took. Some VERY fast veterans out there.

So, a good week-end. Think I'll have a rest now.

Blackbeard, knackered
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
I switched from pavements to pool today, back to my preferred exercise. A good 3 km workout after a four month lapse. But I might not be back on this thread now, much, for the next several months.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
(oh - hosting excepted, so be good [Biased] )
 
Posted by SpruceMoose (# 15390) on :
 
Hello fellow runners, bit late on the uptake but can I join in?

I've been running for about 6 weeks. Have got up to usually being able to do 5K without stopping now although I can't yet fathom why one day it's fine and the next my legs won't co-operate. Joined a fun run at the weekend and having not slept much, not run much last week and not eaten enough for brekkie I ran faster than ever [Ultra confused] Ah well, I'm not complaining!

Anyone else find running helps control depression? Wasn't why I started running but having felt the improvement it's certainly encouraging me to keep going out at silly o'clock [Smile]

Moosey
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Welcome Moosey.

quote:
Originally posted by SpruceMoose:
Joined a fun run at the weekend and having not slept much, not run much last week and not eaten enough for brekkie I ran faster than ever [Ultra confused]
Yes, I found this to be true for me. I find that sleepiness has little effect on my running. Like you I was surprised to find my performance improved after a week without running. Later on I found out that this is what "proper" runners call "tapering". Of course it only works if you've done some running in previous weeks to taper down from, but if you are aiming for a particular race then you can work this into your schedule. Regarding not eating before a run, I think there are very individual responses. I struggle if I have eaten in the preceding two or three hours and can very happily go for a long run before breakfast. Others are the exact opposite. I was running on Sunday with people who had biscuits or bananas they were eating on the way round (it was a long run, 30k) which is something I absolutely could not do.
quote:

Anyone else find running helps control depression?
Yes. I think with me it is mainly psychological, but it can also be physiological in that it stimulates certain hormones. Someone more knowledgeable could give more details.
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
I find running cheers me up, especially towards the end of the run of course. There's that widely-held view that exercise produces endorphins, feel-good hormones, which is supposed to be the reason. I find that if I run with others, I feel better anyway, but if I run by myself, I feel a sense of achievement, which makes me happy. Being outside in the fresh air is definitely a psychological boost, especially in the winter when in the UK our vitamin D levels are lowered.

I'm at the stage of being able to run 5k in about 32 minutes now which I feel happy about. I am aiming to sustain this throughout the summer, as I know I will struggle running in warmer weather. Maybe work up to a 10k by the end of the year. Slow and steady!
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SpruceMoose:
....although I can't yet fathom why one day it's fine and the next my legs won't co-operate...


This seems to be a common experience - certainly is for me!
I don't know if it takes longer with age - maybe it does - anyway it takes a while to recover from a hard run, so if you have a good run which is reasonably fast or over a longish distance, you are likely to be a bit slow (runningwise) for the next few days. But don't expect anything to be predictable.

quote:

Anyone else find running helps control depression?
Many people have said they found it so.
I have never been diagnosed with depression so can't speak from experience. But I do know that over a nightmare few years when a job I once enjoyed turned very sour, running provided, for a while, a safe haven where I could escape.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
I'm (sort of) back in the groove. 40 minutes with a bit of up and down on Saturday morning, and planning to go back out tonight. Gorgeous warm, sunny weather at the mo.

I'm considering registering for the 20km to give myself something to aim at, but worried that I'm jinxed (I've wanted to do it twice before and injured myself at unfortunate moments both times) [Help]

Here's an article about running and depression. (I don't think I qualify as actually depressed, but certainly do get fits of the blues, and running definitely makes me feel better.)
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Did my last long training run on Friday - 35km. I went at a less ambitious pace than my previous long runs and survived better. I have sore feet, but I think they are just tired, not injured.

Time to relax now, shorter and fewer runs until the marathon on the 15th.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
I wonder which is more effective calorifically and aerobically. My running circuit is shaping up as 32 minutes, and I'm not able to work out the distance but maybe around 4.7 kms. My swimming workout is 3 kms with mixed strokes, about 70 minutes but that includes about 3-4 minutes downtime.

Running feels more punitive, but I wonder - and remember I'm a plodder, not a loper. In the swimming set I do some really hard aerobic work (10 x 100m against the clock, though this early in the season I'm just doing some butterfly to kill myself).

Last swim set I got some really nasty front of shin cramps - never ever heard of them before - so I'll be a bit nervous tomorrow, maybe peg back the butterfly. So I wonder if it is less punitive than the running.

Sigh. I'm bonfused. [Confused]
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
This site is very handy for working out distances. Click round the map and it calculates it for you.

7km on Saturday morning and 5km before work today for me. Trying to get back in the habit of running three times a week at least.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Wow - the last one of those I tried didn't work - I kept shifting the world by mistake. So my route is 4.954 - I'll say 4.95. That's really pleasing.

Dead flat of course (well maybe a four metre variation) because this is Australia.
 
Posted by OliviaG (# 9881) on :
 
I've registered for a 5K run June 9 - my first. I'm good with exercise and diet tips, but what I would really like to hear about is race etiquette. And I'm not in it to "race", just to finish within the time limit (which is completely achievable even if I walked). TIA, OliviaG
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Not sure about race etiquette. Don't trip anyone up. If you need to spit take care where you do it. All common sense really. I suppose you shouldn't push to the front of the starting area if you are slow - you will get in people's way. Not etiquette really, but a bit of pride: if someone (anyone) is pointing a camera in your direction pretend you're enjoying yourself.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by OliviaG:
.... race etiquette. .....
Agree it's mostly common sense, and as Jonah points out, don't start too near the front if you are not going to be fast. Start is apt to be congested and you may be held up - maintain sense of humour.
As with driving - check behind you if you intend to deviate from a straight line.
Be nice to people - more difficult if you are tired.
Most important - enjoy the run.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Did my 4.95 this morning instead of swimming. Down to 31 minutes. It was only 30.3°C and 66% humidity, so comfort is increasing a little. No Olympic middle distance runner, moi, but I'm not exactly in my prime any more, either!
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
...but I'm not exactly in my prime any more, either!
Oh come off it. You are but a mere callow beardless youth!
(Blackbeard, 68)
 
Posted by Snags (# 15351) on :
 
Advice sought, if people would be so kind.

The key thing is: does anyone know where in the UK I stand a chance of getting some decent trainers/running shoes that are both long and narrow?

I have UK-12/13 feets, but a very narrow fit, especially at the heel. Most footwear makers assume big_foot==wide_foot, plus in the rush to economies of scale, now only tend to make "average" fittings. Even the posh people for smart shoes (Church's, Loakes etc.) have done this, consigning me to a life in Dr Marten boots.

Anyway ... as I am currently a Standard Issue Fat Bastard who historically hates running but likes the idea of running and is now old enough to motivate himself, I'm thinking about, well, running. But not in jeans and DMs!

Back when they made them, I was a C width fitting in Loakes. The smallest they make at all now is an E <sob!> and anyway, them's is posh shoes, and trainers are an even bigger nightmare.

Any other freakish-footed Shippies out there who can recommend brands that are narrow, or at least that I won't run out of? If they can double as slob-ware too, so much the better. And preferably not too expensive. Don't want much, me ...
 
Posted by OliviaG (# 9881) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Snags:
... If they can double as slob-ware too, so much the better. And preferably not too expensive. Don't want much, me ...
[Eek!] No, no, no, no, no! Your running shoes are for running! Aren't there stores like Running Room or Forerunners in UK with a range of shoes from different manufacturers? It's not worth saving money if you end up injured from running in the wrong shoes or not replacing them soon enough when they start to wear out. (That's when you can use them for slob-ware.) OliviaG
 
Posted by OliviaG (# 9881) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
I wonder which is more effective calorifically and aerobically. ...
All the trainers I know recommend doing a variety of cardio workouts for lots of reasons, related to both fitness and weight loss. Only weight-bearing activities help bone density, for example. Running and cycling don't do as much for the upper body as they do for the lower. Etcetera. Do you monitor your heart rate? The usual advice for aerobic exercise is 65-80% of your maximum heart rate (usually 220 - your age). Beyond that gets you into oxygen deficit and anaerobic exercise. OliviaG
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by OliviaG:
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
I wonder which is more effective calorifically and aerobically. ...
All the trainers I know recommend doing a variety of cardio workouts for lots of reasons, related to both fitness and weight loss. Only weight-bearing activities help bone density, for example. Running and cycling don't do as much for the upper body as they do for the lower. Etcetera. Do you monitor your heart rate? The usual advice for aerobic exercise is 65-80% of your maximum heart rate (usually 220 - your age). Beyond that gets you into oxygen deficit and anaerobic exercise. OliviaG
I'm off the level of fitness where I can risk going anaerobic, but at peak swimming fitness I put myself there sometimes. My resting pulse is about 65-70, and Iusually push it through to about 140 - aiming to get it down to 100 within a minute.

I have never come near 165-170, even after massive explosive workouts, which would be the "220 - your age". Even an anaerobic burst has only ever got me to about 148.

I looks like I should continue to keep both disciplines in tandem, then, rather than all one or the other. Thanks!
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Snags:
Advice sought, if people would be so kind.

The key thing is: does anyone know where in the UK I stand a chance of getting some decent trainers/running shoes that are both long and narrow?
...
Not sure about the UK but I always buy Asics brand because the fit is narrow, especially in the heel. New Balance also still have various widths.
 
Posted by Snags (# 15351) on :
 
quote:

No, no, no, no, no! Your running shoes are for running!
I thought that might be provocative [Smile] OK, point taken.

quote:

Aren't there stores like Running Room or Forerunners in UK with a range of shoes from different manufacturers?
Don't recognise those names. We have generic sportswear shops, but they all tend to cater to "normal" or "average" requirements, not freaks like me. Someone in Another Place has recommended I visit a "Sweatshop" store who will do the sensible thing - measure and fit correctly, provide appropriate insoles and so on. As there's one fairly nearby I think I shall do so. Last thing I want to do is have an attempt to get fit trash my feet/ankles/knees etc.
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
You might want to try ecco bioms - they have redesigned fit system and are very comfortable - so nt the conventional c, d etc thy did it by scanning a lot of people's feet. I imagine you would have to get them ordered in in your size to try - but a half way decent store should agree to do that.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Okay - 5 kms again this morning (didn't run against the clock as I picked up some rubbish along the way, as I have the last couple of times - a challenge while jogging!), and ended at a heart rate of 144. Down to 117 after a minute and 102 after two minutes. Not quite on target, yet!

I suspect after about the five minute mark my rate was about 135-140, pushed up slightly as I loped slightly faster at the end. I don't have a monitor at the moment.

So I'll watch and compare over the next few weeks. Can't swim for a few days yet as I have swimmer's ear - from the climate, ironically, not the pool.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
Another 7km on Saturday and 5km this morning from me. Still vacillating about registering for the 20km. I suppose I should really just do it, shouldn't I?
 
Posted by Snags (# 15351) on :
 
Thanks guys, will check those brands outs. SweatShop seem to do New Balance, so I'm in with a chance. Will report back if/when I get chance to get out there, get kitted up, and stagger a few yards.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Same as yesterday ... pulse was 132 at the half way point
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Still vacillating about registering for the 20km. I suppose I should really just do it, shouldn't I?
You already know the answer to that don't you?
How long would you have to train for it? 20k is not to be sniffed at.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
It's about 6 months away so I would have enough time. But actually I don't think the date's going to work for me this year.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
On a slight change of topic. From parkrun newsletter. May be of interest.

Fauja Singh has now completed a parkrun (5 k) in a time of 38 minutes 34 seconds. Nothing remarkable about that, you may think.

Fauja Singh is 100 years old (in fact this run was on the day before his 101th birthday).

He is also the world marathon record holder in his age group.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
Right. I don't think I can do the 20km de Paris because it's not a convenient date, but there is a half-marathon in mid-November. Plenty of time to train and something to aim at. In my head, I am going to run it (if I train like I did last year til I buggered my calf, should be doable - I was going something like 35 or 40 km a week at the time).
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
blackbeard:
quote:
Fauja Singh is 100 years old (in fact this run was on the day before his 101th birthday).

He is also the world marathon record holder in his age group.
His age group? Centenarian? I'd guess he was the only centenarian marathon runner. And good on him! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Bugger, Right achilles is whinging. Back to the pool next week.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
I survived the Rotterdam marathon, and even finished inside my target time of 3.50. I know it's not very modest but I think it's not too bad for an old grandad in his first marathon. I have stiff thighs and sore feet but otherwise relatively unscathed.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
Jonah, well done! that's impressive ...
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Forgot about the pool and ran yesterday instead. Made the distance but the achilles is hurting like hell. Bugger.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
Jonah [Overused]

9-minute miles for me this morning [Smile]

I was planning to chicken out this morning and set the alarm to get up later, then woke up naturally at 6:45, and decided that I didn't really have an excuse and I really should just haul myself outside. Which is not such a bad thing.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
Forgot about the pool and ran yesterday instead. Made the distance but the achilles is hurting like hell. Bugger.
Looks like you are going to become very good at swimming.
Once the achilles has settled down a bit, try a gel wedge under the heel, or shoes with a bit more heel lift.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Ta ... I think that what has happened is that my trusty Asics have given up the ghost - I seem to recall a similar injury when I was training myself up to peak fitness about 18 months ago ... before I bought them, when I was wearing el-cheapoes.

I'll see if I can afford some more - I shouldn't really be swimming at the mo as I have a recurrent 'swimmer's ear' problem from the humidity (not, ironically, the pool).

Unfortunately I do think I'll have to get good name brand shoes, despite the horrendous issues of disparity between wages in third world and/or chinese sweat shops and the counter price in the global north. I've found the $30 jobs thrash my joints.

So off to Nike or Asic, I guess. These Asics were my first non-Nike shoes for 35 years ... the toe gave out after six weeks, though the cushioning seems to have lasted until now. I'm not sure which way to jump, but will go shopping later this week. Maybe a few days to grow fat first. [Frown]
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
...I shouldn't really be swimming at the mo as I have a recurrent 'swimmer's ear' problem from the humidity (not, ironically, the pool)...
Do you blow dry your hair (presuming you have hair!) after you shower/swim? If you don't, try it. Many times swimmer's ear can be stopped by using a blow dryer.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
My cunning plan for getting branded sports shoes for a more reasonable price: check out Ebay. If you spot some you like the looks of in your size, head to your local branch of GoSport and try the same ones on, then order them for cheaper from Ebay. I got a good pair of (new) Nikes for about €40 this way (I also have ethical worries about Nike, but they fit my feet, ho-hum).
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lily pad:
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
...I shouldn't really be swimming at the mo as I have a recurrent 'swimmer's ear' problem from the humidity (not, ironically, the pool)...
Do you blow dry your hair (presuming you have hair!) after you shower/swim? If you don't, try it. Many times swimmer's ear can be stopped by using a blow dryer.
Have hair but don't own a hair drier - nor does kuruman. The wet season is over now though so it shoulbe right for six months or so.

Ran yesterday, really well, fastest yet. Have been limping heavily for about 30 hours since. [Frown]
It's definitely the shoes.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
.....Ran yesterday, really well, fastest yet. Have been limping heavily for about 30 hours since. [Frown]
It's definitely the shoes.
OK that's it then, consign the shoes to the bin, or at least limit them to carpet-slipper duties. You know it makes sense.

And really, NO running until Achilles is happy. If you are still limping after 30 hours then there's a risk of permanent damage if you keep this up. Don't risk it.

For the time being, find another way of keeping fit which doesn't strain the tendon.

Deep down you know I'm right.

[end of lecture]

And on a less didactic note.
Glad you are running well, Achilles apart. I wish I could say the same about me. I suspect my efforts over the last few months have been a bit much, in particular last month's half-marathon and a few subsequent runs have taken a lot out of me, and running recently has been rubbish. I'm hoping this is temporary while my corpus animus adjusts, and in a while I'll be able to go a bit better than has been the case so far.
We shall see.

So far my running hasn't been especially quick, even by comparison with others in my age group (there are some very fast veterans out there); I don't know if I can get faster (I suspect there is quite a scope for improvement), in any case it's fun trying.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by blackbeard:
there are some very fast veterans out there
You are not kidding. There were thirty 65+ runners finishing under four hours in Rotterdam, and three of them were 70+. I'm probably going to attempt it again next year and aim to finish ahead of any septuagenarians.

[ 27. April 2012, 13:09: Message edited by: Jonah the Whale ]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
You're right. Sigh. I'll be back.
 
Posted by Snags (# 15351) on :
 
Woohoo! I think. Went to the local Sweat Shop yesterday, and it would appear that they do have running shoes that will fit me. Although not in stock. So I've got a couple of weeks to try and forget I'm about to overturn a lifetime of cultivated sloth while they get some in (warehouse move cocking up timings).

I'm not sure I've ever been so excited about spending money on things I don't want to do something I'm not looking forward to [Biased]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
I bought new ones this morning, so I'll try to hit the road tomorrow. In the mean time I've been in the pool a few times but nowhere near up to scratch.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Ran a 10k race yesterday, and happily improved on my previous best over half a minute, so it's under 44 mins. I'm feeling very smug and self-satisfied. Like a good wine I'm improving with age.
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
That sounds fast to me! I did 9.3k on Friday with my running mates and it took us bang on an hour. The last bit was hard going, mind you. They are all going in for a 10k race but oh-so-sadly the race card was full when I rang so I can't join them. Oh, what a shame (not).
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
Just back from running in a 10k, and very happy to have sneaked under the 40 minute barrier by 6 seconds.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Wow! I am really impressed. Under 40 mins!

Meanwhile the place where I work had its annual 6km run last week. Entrants varied from the seriously competitive to the halfway decrepit, and there were 190 runners in all. I finished 2nd in the old farts category, but what I am happiest with is that I beat my PB from 26 years ago. I am now officially fitter than I was when I was less than half my current age.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
[Overused] moonlit door, that is *very* impressive.

I went almost 10km yesterday too, but it took me rather longer (an hour give or take, hills most of the way).

After a couple of weeks of a state best summed up as "meh", I am more or less back on track for training for the half marathon in the autumn.
 
Posted by OliviaG (# 9881) on :
 
Did my first 5K yesterday and had a great time. The course was part roadside, part trails through lovely forest, with lots of birds singing. Organization and volunteers were excellent. I was a little slower than usual, probably because of the up-and-downs of the course and many muddy places on the trails. I'm completely satisfied with my 219th position and had enough energy left for dance class that afternoon! OliviaG
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by moonlitdoor:
Just back from running in a 10k, and very happy to have sneaked under the 40 minute barrier by 6 seconds.
Think my chances of ever doing that have vanished for ever now.

lver, I see you have definitely decided on that half marathon! [Yipee] ... enjoy!

and OliviaG; glad you enjoyed your 5k
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Still off road and pool ... not quite 100% on the ankle.
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
The 10k race I was in was won by someone from Met Police athletic club in 32:41, which really is impressive, how do people run that fast ?

I have another 10k later in the summer, and am wondering about trying a half marathon. Have you done much competitive running blackbeard ? I have run recreationally for about 10 years but first tried doing a couple of races in 2010.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by moonlitdoor:
... Have you done much competitive running blackbeard ? ...
Depends what you mean by "competitive"; I wouldn't ever have called myself an athlete, more just a fun runner, but I have completed a few marathons (the most recent more than a quarter of a century ago!) plus several half-marathons - the most recent in March this year (which some might view as not bad for a 68-year-old, but I notice that most of the competitors in my age group got in ahead of me! I still got in ahead of a fair few runners but most of them were much younger!).

Half marathon is a good distance in that you can keep up a (fairly) steady pace; a full marathon is a right ***! because problems tend to occur in the second half (running out of energy "hitting the wall", joint problems etc) unless you are very fit indeed, and it takes a lot of training.

Parkruns (5k) are great!
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
A parkrun has just started up a couple of miles from where I live so following Blackbeard's suggestion I took myself down there this morning. About 50 people were taking part and the woman who was standing next to me at the start shot off at a very fast pace; out of idle curiosity when the results were posted I saw her name and googled her to see what other running she had done.

It turns out that although not a fulltime athlete, she has qualified to run for Denmark in the Olympic marathon. With all the security that surrounds the Olympics, it seems quite bizarre to think that I have stood next to an Olympic athlete in a suburban park.
 
Posted by comet (# 10353) on :
 
haven't run in months and it's time to start up again. I'm a little afraid of how far I've backslid - but decided to drop by the thread as a way to make my sorry butt do it.
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
I've got a last-minute entry into a 10k race in 2 weeks' time - my first ever race! Hoping to do it in about an hour. Cannot imagine doing it in 32 mins - wowee.
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
Did the 10K in 58 minutes and 17 seoonds. Pleased with that. Feeling quite good this morning.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Ran for the first time since May 15th. Holey Moley. I made the mistake of running (sort of) with my hyper-fit 25 year old daughter. It was like driving a Series One Land Rover escorted by a Ferrari. I doubt she ever got out of second gear. But I knew the route [Snigger]

Achilles held up well. I didn't.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
@ moonlitdoor

I hadn't come across the term "parkrun" before, but it's a good way of putting it. Most weekends there is at least one within about 10km of where I live and you can just turn up 20 minutes before the start and pay your two Euros. With under a hundred runners you can all fit on footpaths in a local park (no road closures needed) and you don't need electronic tags as everyone crosses the starting line within the first second or two. I've done eight or ten of these in the last year, varying from 5 to 15 km.

[ 19. July 2012, 07:47: Message edited by: Jonah the Whale ]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Second day back and run ning alongside (until she knew the way) the Ferrari spurred me along a bit - that and the new shoes are working. 29'53", my best yet on the 4.9 km circuit. Heat wasn't an issue as it was only around 9.00 am. Good run.

The Ferrari went round twice - after working out on an exercycle. [Disappointed]
 
Posted by Snags (# 15351) on :
 
I've started! Well, actually started last week.

Mrs Snags and I are following this plan which is exceedingly wimpy, but is working out quite well so far. Saturday will see the end of Week 2, and so far I'm mostly actively enjoying it. More importantly, we've avoided being seen by anyone we know.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Well done!

I stumbled around my 5 kms again today. That's three in a row. Fortunately Daughter Unit was absent (working out at a gym) so I could shuffle at Landrover pace.
 
Posted by Adrienne (# 2334) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Snags:
Mrs Snags and I are following this plan ...
I think I may try this. A few years back I got up to a slow-but-respectable 5k, then had a bad back, and it all went pear-shaped - as did I. It really is time to do something. I can't afford a gym membership atm, and I KNOW I'll feel better for it.

A
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Another 5 ks today, no ferrari alongside. I've started a new day job so it had to be after school, meaning the temperatures were a little more demanding than they were last week. But I went okay.
 
Posted by Snags (# 15351) on :
 
Question: socks.

When we got kitted out, I allowed myself to get talked into special running socks, rather just using whatever was on my feet at the time. So I've got some mono-skin things made by Hilly with little gel pads at heel, toe and bridge.

Now, they are actually quite comfortable, so I'm kinda converted.

BUT they're a b... to put on! I get more of a workout from putting the damn socks on than I do from running. This is partly because they're probably a tad too small, and partly because they're "anklets" so you can't get enough sock over your heel to yank on.

My feet are UK12. The socks are allegedly UK12-13, and to be fair, the foot part does feel fine. However, after only 7 outings I can tell I'm likely to rip the cuff off trying to pull them on soon.

So, are there any other clown-booted, flipper-feet out there, and what do you guys use? Or should I just go get some of those old white tubey sports socks?
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
I resent the fact that most over the counter sports socks now are only up to the shoe line. This means, on the tracks I run, that gravel is often flicked up into the sock and shoe - and the run is interrupted. My preference is rugby socks - but not a good call in our teperatures.

Basically I would say anything that maximises cushioning. Running punish the lower body. But yeah, don't expect longevity. I guess we don't have a lot of other expenses for our sport! (Apart from [Eek!] shoes). I wear Asics. They're nearly worth more than my car. Or certainly some cars I've owned.

Another 5kms yesterday. Unusually there was cloud (and high level smoke) cover, so a tad cooler. It's beginning to feel fluent - and the ferrari is still tied up with other things. Gym, Spin, Cycling - and cycling to gym and spin ... and boxing. [Roll Eyes]

[ 25. July 2012, 21:05: Message edited by: Zappa ]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Ha! Mapped it!. The ferrari was with me again, and I stuck wither her (though she was no doubt humouring me) to the half way point. Now I can log my progress.

Other factors: 31.6°C with a Relative humidity of 46% so a "Feels Like" of 32.8°C

Sorry to bore you but this is fun!
 
Posted by Snags (# 15351) on :
 
I don't mind wearing them out through use, but I resent destroying £12 socks in 3 weeks because I can't put them on!

Next time out I think I'll try my old general sports socks and see how I get on. That will mark the end of week 3, and although a crippled snail could do it quicker, we're both still enjoying it and feeling (relatively) fresh ar the end. First session of each new week is the worst, as that's when it steps up a notch and we both wonder if we'll see it through.

Glad you're getting back into your stride post-injury. I'm using Endomondo to track progress, but no way that's being made public yet [Smile]
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
I just wear ordinary white sports socks, didn't even know there were special running socks. The others at work who I run with, some of whom are rather more serious and better runners than I, seem to wear ordinary socks too as far as I have ever noticed.

I have just entered for the Cabbage Patch 10, a 10 mile race starting in Twickenham close to the rugby ground. It generally attracts a large entry of around 1500, and will be won in a very fast time, typically under 50, but also has plenty of more recreational runners. It's quite nice to be in the same race as some serious athletes even if you only see them at the start.

My target is to be inside 70 minutes, so I need to start doing some sessions of longer intervals, maybe half mile reps.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
I wear socks that come from the running section of the sports shop but they aren't particularly expensive. They aren't cotton so they draw the perspiration away from your feet which reduces the risk of blisters. But I've never tried fancypants things with pads in. I think as long as you've got decent running shoes you're probably padded enough.

12km for me this morning. It's quite toasty and sweaty out there at the mo, even early in the morning. Another thing I refuse to pay an arm and a leg for is sports drinks, so I am back on the WHO's oral rehydration salts recipe: 6 tsp of sugar and 1 of salt in 1 litre of water (plus I add a load of lemon to make it taste less nasty). This recipe gets me successfully gets me round the park but also saves millions of lives every year (I'm guessing that the WHO don't bother with masking the nasty taste tho, 'cause a person risking death from cholera is less liable to care [Biased] ). I find that strangely satisfying somehow.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
Socks. Just ordinary cotton socks, as sold in sports shops and elsewhere in packs of about half a dozen. Cover ankles and extend about half way up lower leg. Look much the same as ordinary socks, except are white (to begin with, though a few muddy runs sorts that, are never quite white again even after repeated washing).

Worn with another, thicker, pair, are then good for use with hiking boots too.

Avoid thick seams which can rub.

Not had a problem, though maybe if I got chronic blisters or whatever, would be looking a something a bit more hi tec.
 
Posted by Snags (# 15351) on :
 
Thanks all for the sock input. Always like to break the taboo on never talking about Socks, Religion or Politics, and where better than on a religious board?

Went out last night in an ancient pair of general sports socks I used to wear for squash, and got on just fine. So <rasp> to Hilly's, and I'll carry on like that until I'm doing enough distance to make it an issue.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
After probably less than 50 kilometres (two more five kms since I last posted, times holding well) my Asics are being cut through by my Old Man Toenails™. This is the second pair of Asics I've had this happen to. [Mad] Back to Nikes?

Yesterday I ran with bandaids over my toenails. That may help. The sox don't seem to cut through but don't protect the shoes. [Confused]
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
After probably less than 50 kilometres (two more five kms since I last posted, times holding well) my Asics are being cut through by my Old Man Toenails™.
I have the same problem. I found out earlier this year that it is not so much the toenails as a slightly off timing when raising the foot. The big toe comes up a fraction of a second too early. I always go to a proper running shop for my shoes, and they always want to see my previous shoes to see how they have worn, normally to make sure they have the right stiffness to get the pronation/supination thing right. When he saw the hole in the toe he explained how it came about, but more importantly he had a very simple solution. In my new shoes he stuck a patch of material (leather I think) under the place where the hole would be expected to form and I never had any problems with it. The sole wore out in less than six months, but that's another issue. Even if you haven't got a specialist running shop I reckon a regular shoe repair place would help you out.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Thanks for that - I'll have a chat to them ...

I am also signing up to return to netball umpiring. I've done it for about 18 years, and retired fifteen months ago but ... but ... but ...

Same shoes, different foot movement.

About to run now (with the ferrari alas [Roll Eyes] ) with a slightly questionable stomach. I means it's always questionably big, but it's slightly questionable on the inside.

OK .. TMI. I'll let you know how it goes.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Wow ... i blitzed it - even held the ferrari at bay, though I suspect she was being nice. Pulled into a fast finish mode over the last km, too. [Yipee]

Nearly friggin' died, mind you.
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
Just seen that Alistair Brownlee ran 29.07 for his 10k in the triathlon. After a swim and a cycle that is rather good. Running to a modest standard yourself makes you realise how fast these athletes are.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
14 km for me this morning, which is 2/3 of the way to a half marathon [Smile]

I'm on holiday from tomorrow night and intend to put in some intensive resting and carb loading for the next couple of weeks. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Snags (# 15351) on :
 
Given that he (Brownlee) basically stopped a few yards short, caught his breath, and walked over the line, it's insane. He more or less did the same time as our chap (not Mo!) in the straight 10k.

I used to be vaguely aware that these people were "a bit good", but as a generally non-sporty person it's only since limping around for the last few weeks that I've appreciated just how mental it all is.
 
Posted by Snags (# 15351) on :
 
Yay! Go me (and go Mrs Snags)! <Humble boast time>

It may have been slow, and to you super-fitties who rattle off 5k in 20 mins, and 10k in 45 mins it may be laughable, but courtesy of the C25K plan I have just jogged for 20 minutes at the end of week 5 without stopping.

OK, it's a bit sad that I'm so pleased about this, particularly given that it equates to probably only about 1.6 miles, but ... I can honestly say I don't think I've ever run/jogged for that amount of time without thinking "Screw this" and walking for a bit.

I'm now actually quite fired up about the remaining 4 weeks, which should see us heading for a 5k in 30 minutes or so.

Woohoo! Slob-jogging!

[ 11. August 2012, 10:25: Message edited by: Snags ]
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
Well doen Snags and Mrs Snags. I know how good it feels, a fantastic sense of achievement. At the beginning of the year I couldn't run for 2 minutes without wanting to throw up, but now I am running reasonably happily for an hour and going for a quarter marathon in September. Who'd a think?
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
well done Snags and don't think that better runners would make light of your achievements. I run at work with some guys who are a good deal better than me but they are very encouraging of me and others achieving targets which are easy to them.

What country are you in, Laxton's Superba ? I had never come across a quarter marathon before, I don't think they can be common in the UK, presumably as they are so close in distance to a 10k.
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
I'm in the UK. It is a 10k, pretty much. I think it's just to make you feel good, you know "wow, I did a quarter marathon". It's all about Positive Thinking ho ho ho.
 
Posted by Snags (# 15351) on :
 
Thanks folks; have to say it's a bit weird actually looking forward to going for a run [Smile]

Laxton Superba - good luck with the quarter marathon (like the positive thinking!). I have a sort-of plan to work up to a 10k once we've got through the build up and are in a pattern of doing 5k three times a week. It'll definitely stop there, though, I haven't the patience for much further.

And as you say, so far the handful of people we've spoken to in RL have been very supportive. Once they get over the shock, of course.
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
I don't have the patience or indeed the time for any more than a 10k. A friend did the London marathon this year and the training just ate up all her time. Plus the idea of running for 4 hours fills me with dread. I get bored, running, quite easily, and as I can't use things in my ears of any kind, it's just the sound of my footsteps and desperate gasps for breath to listen to.
Doing 5k 3 times a week is impressive! In term time I manage one 5k and one 10k sometimes 2 10s but in the holidays I don't get many chances tor un at all.
 
Posted by Snags (# 15351) on :
 
Well, we'll see if it happens [Smile]

The programme we're following to get us up to 5k requires 3 outings a week, and they recommend trying to maintain that once you're there. We've had to re-prioritise a few things, but as it's only about 30 minutes of exercise, plus diving the car to/from a secluded spot it's not too bad to fit in. I just watch less shit telly than I used to, which is no bad thing.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Managed an 8.27 km last Monday, not fast but steady. Just done a 5.49 km but the heat was fairly hot (36.4 C with 25% humidity) so I held the pace back for that, too. Feeling good. Nothing in between those two except a whole heap of netball umpiring - very different kind of exercise, more like squash.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
I'm going through a lean spell at the moment. I usually run about 8 to 12 km, but the last few weeks they have been going badly, taking minutes longer than usual and feeling crap all the way round. The only exceptions are a couple of 5km "races" where I've done better than I expected. I don't know if it's the short distance or the competition aspect that made the difference. Anyway I've decided to cut back a bit, because I think it may be a kind of mental fatigue and getting a bit bored with it or something. I noticed a similar low at the same time last year, but after a couple of weeks enforced break I came back as fit as before.
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
Snags have you got from couch to 5k now ? If so well done.

Some guys from my work have been taking part in the Round Norfolk relay this weekend. As the name suggests it is a relay around the edge of the county of Norfolk. It is for teams of 17 and continuous so for some legs people have to run in the dark with head torches, a bit mad really. It seems that they finished 15th out of 50 odd teams. A retired member of their team aged 70 did his 7.5 miles in 56 minutes, I'll be more than happy if I can run 7.5 miles at all when I reach that age.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
Looks like I've got what Jonah's got. Before the holidays I was as motivated as a very motivated person but now my mojo's gone seriously AWOL.

Brought my stuff to work this morning so plan to run in tomorrow.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Stumble-shuffled my way around a 10 km today ... proud of myself, even if it was slow, because the last time I ran 10 ks was in 1991 ... Today it was 26°C and relative humidity of 75%, but that's pretty comfortable for these parts at this time of the year.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Bugger - ran a few 10 kms after that, with the times coming down, but on Tuesday I re-damaged a monkey-muscle (plantaris) that I tore in netball 8 years ago.

It started aching at about the three kilometre mark, so I hobbled round the remaining seven kilometres, at worse than six minutes/kilometre pace. Then I gave myself two days off before running a five k this morning (under six minutes / kilometre but still hobbly-slow).

Now I'm limping again.

Very minor damage, but disappointing. [Waterworks]
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
Sorry to hear of your inquiry Zappa. Is it a frozen peas job, or does it require more intervention?

I run the furthest I have ever run yesterday - 8.5 miles. Whoop. It took about an hour and a hlaf though, and as I was running with a lady in training for a half marathon I felt pretty good about that.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Laxton's Superba:
Sorry to hear of your injury Zappa. Is it a frozen peas job, or does it require more intervention?

I run the furthest I have ever run yesterday - 8.5 miles. Whoop. It took about an hour and a half though, and as I was running with a lady in training for a half marathon I felt pretty good about that.
Hard to say, yet. I suspect it will come right.

Well done on the 8.5 ... since my 10 kms is only 6 miles I am in utter awe.
 
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on :
 
Why dickheads don't run.

In last Saturday's Sydney Morning Herald.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Sadly I'm joining the dickheads again. 330 metres into a 5 km today I felt my calf tightening badly. I've torn that muscle enough times in the last eight years to know it wasn't going to last another 300 metres. I was probably very lucky to get away with the two runs after it stiffened last week.

Bugger bugger bugger
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Swam today, Every stroke hurt, all power off, and it has been my worst swim ever. 1 km only, and in 250 metre segments. But it loosened up a few muscles. I will fight back.

[ 11. October 2012, 11:02: Message edited by: Zappa ]
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
How embarassing…

This morning I decided that running was for the unadventurous and I would try learning to fly instead. Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's rouge who didn't notice that low chain fence running accross the park right at the level of her shin… [Hot and Hormonal]

In my defence, it was dark and I was mostly concentrating on avoiding the mud puddles (it has been very wet here recently). The mud was probably my friend in the end though. If I'd gone flying like that onto hard ground I might really have hurt myself. As it is, I have an impressive bruise and some seriously wounded pride.
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
That sounds painful, though there's less embarrassment if you were running alone. Last year I tripped over a paving stone jogging to the start of a 5k race, cutting my knee in the process.

Have you done your half marathon yet ? and Laxton's Superba have you done your quarter ?

I am doing a 10 miles race on Sunday, my longest so far having only done 5 and 10k up to now.
 
Posted by Hart (# 4991) on :
 
For swimming, I have a pair of goggles that are roughly my prescription. Not perfect, but inexpensive and so much more helpful than no correction. Does anyone make anything similar for running?
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
I just wear my regular glasses. I never have a major problem. There have been four reasons why I have ever taken them off whilst running:
i) Gale force wind (happened once, I was worried they were going to be blown into the canal)
ii) Heavy rain.
iii) Running fast downhill. Only happens in short bursts when training with a group.
iv) This is the main one - glasses sliding down my nose when I get very sweaty. It just gets irritating having to push them back up every few strides.

There are cords you can get which will keep them in place, but I haven't got round to getting one.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
moonlitdoor
quote:
I am doing a 10 miles race on Sunday, my longest so far having only done 5 and 10k up to now.
Let us know how you get on.
I have signed up for a 15k race next month, so just half a mile shy of 10 miles. The Zevenheuvelenloop is the biggest 15k run in the world, over 30,000 runners, and both WR holders are signed up. I'm starting to get into shape afte a bit of a hiatus, and today I'm doing a local 15k parkrun which I will take easy, if I can.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Building my swimming back up slowly, gently. The back pain has gone, and the aerobic fitness is fine, but the warm water and air temperatures (water around 30°C, air around 34°C) mean I am tending to cramp around the 2.5 km mark. I'll build up to my standard 3 km asap. Never been this weak before ...

I may start taking potasium, which is supposed to help. It'll be a week or two before I risk running again.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
Spectacles - I tend to not use them while running as I can find my way around without them, and can (only just) read my digital watch. Maybe I should get a watch with a bigger display. One day.

I have an old pair of specs (previous prescription, hasn't changed much) which I use when sailing as I wouldn't be too upset if they went overboard, but I have a short length of twine going between the ends of the side arms to keep the specs where they should be. So far I haven't lost them. This is also an OK arrangement when running.

If, like me, you just need a little positive correction (ie long sighted) and both eyes are similar, then cheap reading specs from supermarket work well. For about a fiver you can get a lightweight pair with sprung arms which tend to stay where they should be.

I haven't yet found a pair of specs with windscreen wipers.
 
Posted by Laxton's Superba (# 228) on :
 
Just done my first half marathon, in 2 hours 14 minutes. I was very pleased with that. It was hard going the last 2 miles but a nice man handing out jelly babies helped a bit. I had only run 9 miles before (only! hahahaha). Got a nice free T-shirt too. Very good atmosphere but extremely cold, my hands and lower arms so cold I couldn't open my bottle of water at the end.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Wll done Laxton! Did you enjoy it enough to consider doing it again? I was very happy with my 15k run - 1:10, but most importantly my niggly injury I've had the last couple of months didn't play up. With a bit more preparation plus the race day adrenalin I might get close to 1:07:30 next month, which would be 4:30 per km and my best time for this distance.
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
well done Jonah and Laxton's Superba. I was also pleased to complete my 10 miles without injury, as I had to miss a 10k at the start of September with a sore achilles tendon.

I can't remember being cold during a race but once I finished yesterday and the sweat started evaporating I got cold rather quickly.

My race only had 1,600 runners and the start was quite chaotic as everyone around me wanted to run at diferent speeds, so I hope Jonah's race gets people to start in groups according to the time they expect to run, which is a lot more efficent. I spent the first half mile trying to overtake people without impeding them.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
quote:
I hope Jonah's race gets people to start in groups according to the time they expect to run
Yes, this should be the case. Still, the bigger races tend to be quite bunched at the start, despite this. Mind you, it is a lot easier being bunched with people of a similar speed.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
bump
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Thanks JJ.

Just signed up for next year's Rotterdam Marathon again. Meanwhile my 15km run is coming up this weekend. I'm not expecting a PB or anything, but it should be good fun. I have half a dozen or so colleagues who will be running it too, and we are all going there by train. It will be like a school trip.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
Meh. Meh meh meh meeeeeeeeh.

The weather is miserable. I have a cold. I am distinctly undermotivated.

I think I'm going to scale it down a bit, try to keep reasonably fit over the winter and then kick it back up in the Spring.
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
We were just saying after our lunchtime run that it is good running weather at the moment. Dry, coldish but not freezing. Easier than the summer when you have a cool shower, get dressed, and then realise you are still hot as the interior heat comes back to the surface.

I got the impression from previous posts that you normally run alone, la vie en rouge, so perhaps join up with some fellow Parisiens/Parisiennes for some extra motivation.

Jonah good luck on Sunday, see if you can get under the 67.30 time. I think it's good to have something to aim for. Mine was to get under 70 minutes for my 10 miles, and it kept me going once it started getting hard. Just managed it, now looking at a half marathon in February. Well, what's another 3 miles between friends ?

[ 16. November 2012, 18:53: Message edited by: moonlitdoor ]
 
Posted by Hart (# 4991) on :
 
Need some more advice, running people. Is 4 months enough time to train for a half marathon? I did a 10K about 8 months ago, and since then have done a 4 mile run roughly weekly, along with other shorter runs (normally 2 mi) and other forms of exercise each week (swimming, cycling, circuits). I live in the Midwest, so a lot of my winter training would have to be indoor (=boring). Do you think there's enough time for me to get my distance up?
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Four months should be enough, I would have thought. If you are running 4 miles at the moment you could start upping that by one mile each week. Drop down to a shorter run once a month. So your weekly long runs could be 5-6-7-4 7-8-9-5 9-10-11-6 and then 11-12-13-6, something like that. You can google training schedules and find as many different theories as there are runners, just about. Just pick one that you think suits you in terms of current fitness, amount of time available and very importantly, how motivated you think you'll be able to stay. One thing that nearly everyone agrees on is to cut right back in the final week.

My 15k at the weekend went OK. I realised that I am not at my peak and would not be beating my PB, so I aimed at 70 mins and got just inside that. I was fourth in the mini-competition that I had with my seven colleagues, and around 500th out of the 2500 or so in my age group (old farts).

Now begins the long hard slog of winter, with the Hague half marathon looming in March, and Rotterdam marathon in April. It'll keep me out of mischief. I need to lose a few kilos again though, they've been creeping back on.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Hart:
.... Is 4 months enough time to train for a half marathon? ....
Given that you have been doing at least some running and other things meanwhile, then, yes. Even though you may need to allow a bit of slack in case of illness or injury.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
.... in my age group (old farts).
Ha! A mere youth!
Blackbeard, age 69, is trying to convince himself that running at that age isn't ridiculous. A parkrun (5 km) last Saturday went reasonably well (considering that the summer has been marked by a measure of indolence and various distractions) and I finished ahead of quite a few youngsters but, really, I need to put a bit more work/miles in.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Good for you, bearded one. I hope to be still pounding the streets at your age, God willing.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
More or less on the spur of the moment I signed up a couple of weeks ago for a half marathon, at the urging of a couple of colleagues. It was pretty damp on Saturday, but not too cold or windy and I managed under 1:40 for the first time, so was pretty pleased. It isn't really running season, but with the marathon looming in the spring it will soon be time to put in lots of distance.
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
As encouragement to blackbeard the running club of the company I work for has 7 men over 60 who are still active runners. If only we had 7 men under 30. I don't know about it not being the running season, I have been talked into taking part in a cross country race on 12th of January, Surrey League division 4 ( of 4 ).
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Finally got back on top of the swimming and am managing the occasional run, but the climate is fairly crippling for either activity. I am heading for NZ tomorrow so hope to get a few runs and swims, as well as some kayaking in. When I get back I shall begin to think about a marathon.
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
......When I get back I shall begin to think about a marathon.
Thinking about one is about as far as I get.
... Well, there's always hope. Next year. Maybe!
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
Started off the new year with the Kingston parkrun, bit of a cross country course after all the recent rain but lovely warmish sunshine to run in.
 
Posted by harmony hope (# 4070) on :
 
Can I join in? Never ran in my life until I turned 40 then worked up to London marathon in 2009... But never really managed to get back into it. However, did total 5 mins today inbetween walking the dogs and keen to run 5k in July. Would LOve tips and moral support! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by harmony hope:
Can I join in? Never ran in my life until I turned 40 then worked up to London marathon in 2009... But never really managed to get back into it. However, did total 5 mins today inbetween walking the dogs and keen to run 5k in July. Would LOve tips and moral support! [Big Grin]
Well, if you can run a marathon there's not much else I can tell you! about the only tip I can offer is, enjoy your running!
You are not the only one finding it hard to get back into it ...

Anyway. Moral support. (((Harmony Hope)))
 
Posted by harmony hope (# 4070) on :
 
Aw thanks Blackbeard - great to have that support! Unfortunately since I posted shortly after my return to running I've had a horrible cold and cough and so it's been all I can do to keep walking yet alone running! [Eek!]

But I'm not giving up and hope to be back to it soon? I seem to remember that you run marathons -any planned this year? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by blackbeard (# 10848) on :
 
No marathons planned at present - my last one of those was about a quarter of a century ago!
but I have entered a half marathon (the easy half) for 17 March
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by blackbeard:
I have entered a half marathon (the easy half)
They have an easy half?
 
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on :
 
I have agreed to do the Watford half marathon on 3rd of February. A group of us at work run at lunchtimes and one of my colleagues had entered for this race but has to withdraw so I said I would do it. My first attempt at a half, they have pacerunners which is good. I am hoping they have one for my target time, as I am not very good at judging how fast to run so following someone will be useful.
 


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