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sydney
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I just came across the website for this parish which was new to me. I do not recall it mentioned in the context of "nose bleed" high anglo catholic parishes in London where it would appear to belong. From experience can people comment on how it compares with Holy Redeemer, St Magnus the Martyr, St Michael and all Angels Croydon etc
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venbede
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A previous vicar compiled English Missal and a more recent vicar was Bishop Brian Masters.
Ken Leech was a curate there.
Much more backstreets than the others you mention. And twenty years ago when I knew it, it was modern RC - central altar and modern language.
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Spike
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Any chance of a bit more detail? A link perhaps?
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Ecclesiastical Flip-flop
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What can I add? It is a church I know and I go there from time to time. Fr. Andrew Newcombe is the present priest, who I think took over only last year. The previous Vicar was Fr. Iain Young who moved parishes.
Fr. Andrew Newcombe is married to Lindsay, who recently took over as lay chairman of Forward-in-Faith and they have a young daughter.
I am unclear what sort of information you are looking for.
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aig
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Probably the website saying it is 'a Forward in faith parish' and the Priest being a member of SSC tells you all you need to know.
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Bishops Finger
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Hmm. Not necessarily - it may be that, as a 'backstreet parish' (rather like Our Place), the standard of music, liturgy, and ceremonial may not be quite up to the standard of the big Anglo-Catholic 'shrine churches', IYSWIM.
That is not meant to detract in any way whatsoever from Holy Trinity - I have no doubt that they do the very best they can to witness to the Incarnate Lord in their parish!
Ian J.
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venbede
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Hmm. Not necessarily -
Ian J.
Lost you there. Not necessarily what?
Happy Christmas, everyone.
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sydney
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What rite is used there? I noticed that the English Missal (wonderful!)was used for the feast of St George. Is this usual? I started a thread a couple of years ago and the only London churches mentioned that used the English Missal were St Michaels Croydon and St Magnus the Martyr. Are there any others?
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Lyda*Rose
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aig: quote:
Probably the website saying it is 'a Forward in faith parish' and the Priest being a member of SSC tells you all you need to know.
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Originally posted by venbede:
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Hmm. Not necessarily -
Ian J.
Lost you there. Not necessarily what?
Happy Christmas, everyone.
Not necessarily "all" you need to know. As Bishop's Finger says, it doesn't tell you what the music is like or how actually high the liturgy is. It just tells you that they disapprove of women priests. So only if that position is a deal maker or a deal breaker would that fact say it all for an inquirer.
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Hairy Biker
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
aig: quote:
Probably the website saying it is 'a Forward in faith parish' and the Priest being a member of SSC tells you all you need to know.
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Originally posted by venbede:
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Hmm. Not necessarily -
Ian J.
Lost you there. Not necessarily what?
Happy Christmas, everyone.
Not necessarily "all" you need to know. As Bishop's Finger says, it doesn't tell you what the music is like or how actually high the liturgy is. It just tells you that they disapprove of women priests. So only if that position is a deal maker or a deal breaker would that fact say it all for an inquirer.
It also tells "there is always a warm and friendly welcome here". Even for ordained women?
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sydney
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Could we return the discussion to my key questions: how Holy Trinity compares with comparable anglo catholic churches in London, the rite used and what churches in London use the English Missal.
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venbede
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Like I said, backstreets and twenty years ago, Vatican II.
(St Michael's Croydon has been using the Revised Common Lectionary and authorised Common Worship eucharistic prayers since Father Ian Brothwood became vicar at the beginning of Advent.)
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Bishops Finger
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Thank you, Lyda*Rose, for explaining my cryptic post better than I could do myself!
Just so.
And there are so many churches comparable with Holy Trinity across the Diocese of London that it might be quite a task to sift out who uses what rite.......
Ian J.
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Ecclesiastical Flip-flop
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Originally posted by sydney:
What rite is used there? I noticed that the English Missal (wonderful!)was used for the feast of St George. Is this usual? I started a thread a couple of years ago and the only London churches mentioned that used the English Missal were St Michaels Croydon and St Magnus the Martyr. Are there any others?
Do not confuse this with the Society of St. George the Martyr, (or whatever it is called). This is a once a year old rite High Mass around St. George's day in April, which always takes place at this Church. A former curate - Fr. Ian Brooks - now in a Liverpool parish, who was at Hoxton until 1980, returns each year for this Mass. At other times and normally, the modern Roman Rite (or similar), is used.
If you compare this Church with St. Magnus the Martyr, I believe the usage there is variable - a mixture of contemporary and tradional - under Fr. Philip Warner, the present priest. As for St. Michael's Croydon, to cut a long story short, a new priest was inducted there a month ago - Fr. Ian Brothwood - and I was present at the service. Time will tell how things develop there after this.
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sydney
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Thank you Ecclesistical Flip Flop. Let us hope the new man at St Michael's does not lower the standards.
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venbede
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He certainly doesn't. He's left off wearing a biretta and we don't have the Last Gospel. He was wearing a pink maniple for Advent 3 (what else?) an and we still have the anthem of our Lady and the Angelus at the end.
And a Christmas Crib the size of a bus shelter.
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Percy B
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Originally posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop:
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Originally posted by sydney:
What rite is used there? I noticed that the English Missal (wonderful!)was used for the feast of St George. Is this usual? I started a thread a couple of years ago and the only London churches mentioned that used the English Missal were St Michaels Croydon and St Magnus the Martyr. Are there any others?
Do not confuse this with the Society of St. George the Martyr, (or whatever it is called). This is a once a year old rite High Mass around St. George's day in April, which always takes place at this Church. A former curate - Fr. Ian Brooks - now in a Liverpool parish, who was at Hoxton until 1980, returns each year for this Mass. At other times and normally, the modern Roman Rite (or similar), is used.
Fr Ian GEORGE Brooks is at St Paul, Croxteth.
I haven't heard of the Society of St George - any info about it, anyone?
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Ecclesiastical Flip-flop
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Originally posted by Percy B:
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Originally posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop:
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Originally posted by sydney:
What rite is used there? I noticed that the English Missal (wonderful!)was used for the feast of St George. Is this usual? I started a thread a couple of years ago and the only London churches mentioned that used the English Missal were St Michaels Croydon and St Magnus the Martyr. Are there any others?
Do not confuse this with the Society of St. George the Martyr, (or whatever it is called). This is a once a year old rite High Mass around St. George's day in April, which always takes place at this Church. A former curate - Fr. Ian Brooks - now in a Liverpool parish, who was at Hoxton until 1980, returns each year for this Mass. At other times and normally, the modern Roman Rite (or similar), is used.
Fr Ian GEORGE Brooks is at St Paul, Croxteth.
I haven't heard of the Society of St George - any info about it, anyone?
I couldn't quite give the name of the Liverpool parish off the top of my head, but yes, St. Paul's Croxteth is the one. According to Fr. Brook's entry in Crockford's yes, he does have the middle name George, but to me, it did not appear to be the name he is known by.
The old-rite Mass to which I refer, takes place annually at Holy Trinity Hoxton on the Friday nearest to St. George's Day (with Fr. I. G. Brooks as celebrant), followed by sumptuous refreshments. Although I am not a member of the Society, I attend this Mass each year if I can. A quick google failed to locate any information about the Society, so I leave that to any other shipmate to fill in who is able to do so.
Fr. Ian Brothwood now at St. Michael's Croydon - I have known him slightly for several years; he has spent all of his ordained ministry in Southwark Diocese; all but one of his previous parishes are in the Croydon area. I have it on good authority that he is a Priest firmly rooted in the catholic tradition.
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sacerdos
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Back in the early 60's, when serving on the altar at St Magnus, I asked some other servers if they knew anything about St Michael's Croydon, as a photograph I had seen looked rather impressive. I was answered with a chorus of disdainful noises and comments. "Ugh! Prayer Book!", seemed to be the substance of the reply. How things can change in the C/E! In those v early years of Fr Colin Gill's incumbency at St Magnus worship was just a fraction more "Anglican" than in Fr Fynnes Clinton's time, but Mass was still in the Roman Rite with the "silent" bits in Latin. But then came "Series 2" and the ethos at St Magnus changed, too. I don't know what happened in the intervening years, but from what I see now on the internet St Magnus, if it fits into neither an Anglican nor a current Roman template, has certainly not reverted to protestantism or worse as, sadly, have so many A/C "shrines" of the past.
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Oxonian Ecclesiastic
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My understanding is that Holy Trinity Hoxton uses modern Roman liturgical texts, and interprets Vatican II in a conservative way (i.e., biretti, east-facing celebration, relics on the holy table, &c.). This is quite normal in the Diocese of London, of course.
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