Thread: The shit-like Leo Board: Oblivion / Ship of Fools.
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Posted by american piskie (# 593) on
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Amos:
They have no...relics at Mary Mags.
Have you seen some of the old ladies of both genders and all ages who worship there?
I gather that because this does not refer to an individual it is not a personal attack within the meaning of the Act. It is, however, a sly and nasty attack, with a subtext of sexism and homophobia, on myself and those I worship alongside.
Yuk, I feel unclean just being here.
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on
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I dunno, I'm one of the do-gooding politically correct idiots but it brought a smirk to my face.
Posted by Organ Builder (# 12478) on
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It's possible leo was using self-deprecating humor. It certainly wouldn't surprise me to learn others have used the same phrase while thinking of him...
I can recall a time or two on the Ship when leo has been sexist, but I would have to defend him against the charge of homophobia. He has his foibles and sometimes they irritate other Shipmates no end, but his contributions in DH on this question make it clear that is not part of his makeup.
Posted by The Great Gumby (# 10989) on
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
I dunno, I'm one of the do-gooding politically correct idiots but it brought a smirk to my face.
Me too.
My greatest objection is that he mangled the punchline. It's far too wordy, with the "of both genders and all ages" being entirely unnecessary. It could have been added out of malice, but I think it's more likely leo being clueless.
Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on
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There is something ironic about picking a slightly pejorative snide aside, slapping an inclusive qualifier after it, and ending up with something that is at once a) more prone to giving offence b) slightly nonsensical and c) less funny.
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on
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We will all smirk at that remark, until we get to the age of being a relic. Then the snarky comments will all be about the young.
I can just imagine Leo shaking his wooden stick at the OPer, needed because his hip is going. (As is mine. Ageing hippies, the lot of us.)
Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on
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Originally posted by american piskie:
I gather that because this does not refer to an individual it is not a personal attack within the meaning of the Act. It is, however, a sly and nasty attack, with a subtext of sexism and homophobia, on myself and those I worship alongside.
Yuk, I feel unclean just being here.
Purity issues sweetheart?
You know Jesus mixed with the lowest of the low. It's okay. It's called incarnational faith.
leo is neither sexist (he mentioned both genders and all ages) nor homophobic.
Was a joke tight arse.
(Tho he has mentioned lots of dinosaurs live in Ecclesiantics. I suppose that makes him dinosaurist.)
[ 19. March 2013, 14:13: Message edited by: Evensong ]
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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When we had the politically correct thread in Purgatory a little while ago, some posters (perhaps the majority, I don't remember) thought PC-ness was a great thing because it just meant being nice to one another, nothing more. I can't help but think that this is one of the possible side-effects: a horrible mangling of words that rips the guts out of what one was trying to say. (Which is not to say that Leo's original comment was worth saying in the first place.)
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on
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Originally posted by mdijon:
There is something ironic about picking a slightly pejorative snide aside, slapping an inclusive qualifier after it, and ending up with something that is at once a) more prone to giving offence b) slightly nonsensical and c) less funny.
Not sure about that. For me at any rate the idea that even the young men are old women is vaguely amusing in and of itself.
Posted by Amos (# 44) on
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This thread amuses the bejesus out of me. It's not so long ago, on a similar hell thread, that a suggestion that leo's posts were starting to sound like those of an aged and somewhat confused and forgetful person (which he may well actually be) upset someone enough to spawn a thread in the Styx.
Leo, going by what he's said on the boards over the years, is old enough to know better than to sneer at babushkas.
If, by 'of both sexes' he's referring to fussy old men, he should look in the mirror.
[ 19. March 2013, 14:31: Message edited by: Amos ]
Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on
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Originally posted by mdijon:
There is something ironic about picking a slightly pejorative snide aside, slapping an inclusive qualifier after it, and ending up with something that is at once a) more prone to giving offence b) slightly nonsensical and c) less funny.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
For me at any rate the idea that even the young men are old women is vaguely amusing in and of itself.
Indeed. That was what I meant under b).
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on
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But I'm not sure that makes it less funny. More, possibly. Indeed, it might be the entire point of the joke, such as it was.
Didn't Bernard Woolley say there were a lot of old women amongst the men in the civil service? I thought it was a rehash of that old line.
Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on
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Well then we're into a) where "old woman" is thought of as some sort of insult to label a particular kind of behaviour pattern.
Perhaps it was a finely crafted piece of work to provoke us to consider all these tensions? A post-modern koan-like statement and parody of prejudice and "PC-lite".
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on
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Yes, I'd seen that. Frustrating thing is I know exactly what he means and can't think of an equally witty but inoffensive way of saying it. Nor, I suspect, could Leo.
Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on
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I dunno. Did he mean to be mean? We're all skid marks on someone's underwear somewhere.
Posted by Amos (# 44) on
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The Yiddish term is 'alter kaker.' Pejorative. Masculine. Old fart, only a bit less complimentary than that.
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on
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Originally posted by Evensong:
leo is neither sexist (he mentioned both genders and all ages) nor homophobic.
Just because he mentioned all ages doesn't mean it's not a sexist comment. It's a sexist comment because he used "old ladies" as a pejorative. If he had said "bloody cunts of all genders" would that not be sexist because he mentioned all genders? No, it's sexist because it's using a part of the female anatomy as an insult.
Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
can't think of an equally witty but inoffensive
It depends what one thinks the witty bit is.
Is it witty to use gender as an insult? If so one is going to have to choose between inoffensive and witty.
Or is it just the relic bit that is witty?
In which case one could go for self-deprecating, and refer to adding to the collection of relics by one's own attendance.
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on
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I meet with three 90 year olds every week and it is one of the highlights of my week. Why? Because they've got more character than 100 people half their age put together - these women, who everyone thinks are little unassuming old ladies, were part of the army of similarly-aged ladies who did everything during the war, all the dirty, greasy, backbreaking jobs that the men had traditionally done but had now all disappeared off to France, etc. to fight. And then had to hand the jobs back to the men when they eventually got home and go back to quietly baking scones as they were expected to do, even though they'd got quite skilled in the meantime.
They may be relics, but they are jolly interesting relics, know all the dirty jokes and don't suffer fools gladly!
Posted by TomOfTarsus (# 3053) on
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Un-Hellish, to be sure, but salutes to your nonagenarian friends, Chorister, and prayers for their health and well-being.
Tom
Posted by leo (# 1458) on
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I apologise unreservedly for what I posted.
It has been a sort of catchphrase in anglo catholic circles for many years.
There is much that is toxic, IMO, in certain groups within anglo-catholicism and I have not distanced myself from my a/c roots as much as i sometimes think.
Posted by Mama Thomas (# 10170) on
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It is a well-known Anglo-Catholic catch phrase and until this thread I honestly woudn't've thought twice about it. Guess I'd better start. Thanks
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on
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Originally posted by TomOfTarsus:
Un-Hellish, to be sure, but salutes to your nonagenarian friends, Chorister, and prayers for their health and well-being.
Tom
Anybody who fails to recognize the power of the Crone does so at their own peril. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by FooloftheShip (# 15579) on
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I must say I've always thought of it as equal opportunities bitching - in different ways, it's fairly offensive about everyone. Surely essential to life within the church.
Or possibly not.....
Posted by Trisagion (# 5235) on
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Christ on a bike, there have been some lame hell calls recently but his takes the fucking biscuit.
Posted by QLib (# 43) on
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I sometimes wish the avatars were animated - I'd love to see the guy in the red hat saying that. ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
Posted by Sine Nomine (# 66) on
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Originally posted by mousethief:
No, it's sexist because it's using a part of the female anatomy as an insult.
Where does that leave 'dickhead'?
Posted by passer (# 13329) on
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Alongside twat, I imagine.
Posted by Sine Nomine (# 66) on
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Not in my universe.
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on
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Originally posted by passer:
Alongside twat, I imagine.
You're doing it wrong.
Posted by kankucho (# 14318) on
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Originally posted by mousethief:
If he had said "bloody cunts of all genders" would that not be sexist because he mentioned all genders? No, it's sexist because it's using a part of the female anatomy as an insult.
Would 'pricks' be ok?
[edit: bloody formatting glitch, as usual.]
[ 19. March 2013, 23:46: Message edited by: kankucho ]
Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on
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Looks around for chesterbucolic.
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on
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Breaks down and starts sobbing uncontrollably on account of having agreed to read all Hell threads.
EDIT: Arsehole is still available as a non-gender-specific body part with which to insult people. Phew.
[ 20. March 2013, 02:57: Message edited by: orfeo ]
Posted by american piskie (# 593) on
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Originally posted by leo:
I apologise unreservedly for what I posted.
It has been a sort of catchphrase in anglo catholic circles for many years.
There is much that is toxic, IMO, in certain groups within anglo-catholicism and I have not distanced myself from my a/c roots as much as i sometimes think.
Thank you.
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on
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Originally posted by Mama Thomas:
It is a well-known Anglo-Catholic catch phrase and until this thread I honestly woudn't've thought twice about it. Guess I'd better start. Thanks
[unhelllikecomment]What she said[/unhelllikecomment]
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on
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[unhelllikecomment]Karl - She is a he[/unhelllikecomment]
Let me refer you to the Heavenlies.
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on
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Originally posted by Boogie:
[unhelllikecomment]Karl - She is a he[/unhelllikecomment]
Let me refer you to the Heavenlies.
[unhelllikecomment]Mea culpa; it's the Mama bit that confused me.
What is this "heaven" of which you speak?[/unhelllikecomment]
[ 20. March 2013, 10:01: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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Originally posted by american piskie:
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Originally posted by leo:
I apologise unreservedly for what I posted.
It has been a sort of catchphrase in anglo catholic circles for many years.
There is much that is toxic, IMO, in certain groups within anglo-catholicism and I have not distanced myself from my a/c roots as much as i sometimes think.
Thank you.
I've PM'd american piskie and s/he is happy for this thread to die. Me too.
Sioni Sais
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