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Posted by Dan BD (# 16559) on :

We all know that CofE clergy knighted after ordination do not use the title "Sir". May CofE clergy "damed" after ordination use the title "Dame"?

Posted by bad man (# 17449) on :

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Originally posted by Dan BD:
We all know that CofE clergy knighted after ordination do not use the title "Sir". May CofE clergy "damed" after ordination use the title "Dame"?

I don't see why not. Knights who are clergy are not "dubbed" with a sword by the Queen (or whoever is doing the honours) which (as I understand it) is why they don't get to be called "Sir". It's also why if they already have the "Sir" before ordination they keep it, because they have been dubbed already.

But a Dame is not dubbed at all. She just gets a medal. So she could be "the Reverend Dame Janet Smith". In fact, that sounds rather good, doesn't it?

Professor Diarmaid MacCulloch talks about this on the Oxford University website, because he was already a deacon in the Church of England when he was knighted last year. He said the distinction "is thanks to a custom which I’m told originated during the reign of that model of Anglican piety, King Edward VII".

He also says "Australian and New Zealand Anglican clergy who were knighted routinely used to ignore this rule, but I expect that was to do with the weather down there".

Posted by BroJames (# 9636) on :

According to Wikipedia an ordained woman who is appointed a dame may take the title

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since there are no military connotations attached to the honour

[ 12. March 2013, 20:53: Message edited by: BroJames ]

Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on :

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Originally posted by bad man:

Professor Diarmaid MacCulloch talks about this on the Oxford University website

here.

Thurible

Posted by fabula rasa (# 11436) on :

There is one such Dame in the C of E--the Rev'd Dame Sarah Mullally. She was DBE'd as Chief Nursing Officer and subsequently moved over to parish ministry. In day-to-day life she doesn't use the DBE bit, but says that occasionally she finds it useful!

Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :

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Originally posted by BroJames:
According to Wikipedia an ordained woman who is appointed a dame may take the title
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since there are no military connotations attached to the honour

Well, well, well, you live and learn. Just the sort of thing I like to discover on a busy Friday!

I knew that we had one Revd Canon Countess, I had no idea we had a Revd Dame as well!

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