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Posted by Siegfried (# 29) on :

Ran across a link to this 10 Minute Prayer School video about the "Leviathan Spirit". Uh.. what? A quick google turns up a lot of hits for how to be delivered from the Leviathan Spirit (and the Jezebel Spirit, the Python Spirit and so on). What in the heck is this stuff? Is this a return to the obsession with demonology that was rife in the Middle Ages?

Posted by The Silent Acolyte (# 1158) on :

I know this isn't precisely the point of your opening post, but you can see here for the python spirit and here for some associated frothing.

Posted by chris stiles (# 12641) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Siegfried:
What in the heck is this stuff? Is this a return to the obsession with demonology that was rife in the Middle Ages?

It's a mixture of dominion theology, mixed in with the idea that one has to get the spirit to name itself in order to cast it out. You'll probably find that the speaker claims to have had a vision/revelation in which the 'Leviathan' spirit was revealed to them

Oh .. and mixed with the fact that Cindy Jacobs is a nutball - this is the sort of thing threads are made of.

Posted by Matt Black (# 2210) on :

What about a Monty Python spirit? Does it make you do silly walks?

Posted by Honest Ron Bacardi (# 38) on :

I gave up after 1'30. This is another of those "people who disagree with me must have a Leviathan spirit" things, isn't it?

[ 07. June 2013, 13:46: Message edited by: Honest Ron Bacardi ]

Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :

Oh God not this "Pigs in the Parlour" shit again.

Posted by Komensky (# 8675) on :

This gave me a laugh in the middle of a stressful day. Thank you.

K.

Posted by Lord Jestocost (# 12909) on :

Funny, I've seen the Job reference to Leviathan used as proof that dinosaurs are in the Bible. Now I learn it's in fact some kind of spirit. Can a house be divided unto itself and all that? If this goes on then I won't be able to believe anything these people tell me.

Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :

Yeah, let's exorcize the dinosaurs! [Smile]

Posted by ExclamationMark (# 14715) on :

Yes it's the same old garbage recycled by the same old fruitcakes.

Posted by Siegfried (# 29) on :

She also seems to believe in ancestral curses or sin, as she says Native Americans must atone for their ancestors' worship of the Leviathan Spirit. Wow. Better and better.

Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :

I'm not going to sit through a 10 minute video, but I saw Godzilla vs The Thing when I was a kid. Maybe Vince McMahon can put together a Godzilla and Leviathan vs The Thing and Kraken tag team match.

Posted by Siegfried (# 29) on :

So, is this strictly a fringe belief on the far edges of the charismatic/evangelical movement in the US? Or is it more widespread?

Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Siegfried:
She also seems to believe in ancestral curses or sin, as she says Native Americans must atone for their ancestors' worship of the Leviathan Spirit. Wow. Better and better.

Oh some people I knew somewhere, I can't remember where, got into this stuff. May have been a CU somewhere. I bought into the whole charismatic thing back in those days but this stuff still smelt like bollocks to me even then.

Posted by leo (# 1458) on :

Leviathan was written by Thomas Hobbes in 1651, about political theory.

quote:
Any hope of subduing him is false; firebrands stream from his mouth; smoke pours from his nostrils; when he rises up, the mighty are terrified; they retreat before his thrashing.

Posted by Avila (# 15541) on :

And I thought Job was merely commenting on the great giants of creation people cannot tame but God can...

... that will be the decieving power of the leviathan spirit tricking me not to see its power. [Disappointed]

Posted by Macrina (# 8807) on :

I really hate it when people start blaming demons and spirits for their emotions and not having the guts to own their own stuff. This sounds like that.

Posted by Oscar the Grouch (# 1916) on :

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

How many people take this kind of guff seriously?

Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :

posted by siegfried:

quote:

What in the heck is this stuff?

Bucket a shite. Never trust a crazy woman in a wig.

Posted by A.Pilgrim (# 15044) on :

When the camera angle changed to the three-quarter view of the speaker, I took the opportunity to identify some of the books on the shelves behind her. (Always interesting to inspect someones bookshelves...)

So there were two of her own books:
The Voice of God,
The Supernatural Life,
and:
Territorial Spirits / Peter Wagner
Transformation / Ed Silvoso
Prophetic Fishing / Jean Kristle Blasi
Life interrupted / [Author not identified]
and last but by no means least:
Blood in the sand / Benny Hinn.

Need I say more?

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
Yeah, let's exorcize the dinosaurs!

Is this a typo? exorcize => exercize? I will take mine out for a walk right away. If I don't he gets rather irritable and eats neighbours. The only problem with it is the rather large dino poo bags we have to carry back for disposal from the park.

Posted by QuietMBR (# 8845) on :

Sigh. I have friends that believe in this craziness (well, I still consider them friends and miss them terribly, even though I am sure they see me as a flaming heretic).

Like was said upthread, same batshit crazy, different day.

Posted by PaulBC (# 13712) on :

I found the presentation very racist as if you were first nations, Mexican, black you have thisin your blood line. HUH ?? This is trying to blame sonething thats unseen for the way we act. Seem to have heard this stuff before and it made no sense then either. If I listened to too much of this I'd believe in nothing, it would affect me so.

Posted by Huia (# 3473) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
I will take mine out for a walk right away. If I don't he gets rather irritable and eats neighbours. The only problem with it is the rather large dino poo bags we have to carry back for disposal from the park.

I'm sure you could sell it for use on people's gardens. Zoo Poo is sought after by gardeners here.

Oh and you can send me 10% of your profits for such a useful tip.

Huia

[ 09. June 2013, 08:34: Message edited by: Huia ]

Posted by chris stiles (# 12641) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Siegfried:
So, is this strictly a fringe belief on the far edges of the charismatic/evangelical movement in the US? Or is it more widespread?

Kind of - it's a fringe belief that is given air time by slightly less unrespectable parts of the charismatic movement - and has analogues in countries other than the US.

In the US itself I suspect she gets a lot more airtime - even if all her audience don't believe everything she comes up with.

This is the kind of craziness that is often alluded to in *those* threads about charismatic gifts etc.

[ 09. June 2013, 08:42: Message edited by: chris stiles ]

Posted by Kaplan Corday (# 16119) on :

She appears to be in bondage to the Spirit Of Bad Couture And Accessories.

Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :

quote:
no prophet: Is this a typo? exorcize => exercize? I will take mine out for a walk right away. If I don't he gets rather irritable and eats neighbours. The only problem with it is the rather large dino poo bags we have to carry back for disposal from the park.

My problem is that when I get back to the house with the dino and try to leave it in the garden, he always gets in through the window again and puts me outside, so I end up banging the door and shouting "Wilmaaaa!"

Posted by LutheranChik (# 9826) on :

My favorite spirit, courtesy of the demonology classic "Pigs in the Parlor" (I used to work in a pan-Christian bookstore with a few more excitable customers who special-ordered this), is the Demon of Female Insubordination. [Killing me]

My Episcopal coworker and I used to read this book aloud to one another for fun during boring evenings on the job.

[ 10. June 2013, 18:04: Message edited by: LutheranChik ]

Posted by Evangeline (# 7002) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kaplan Corday:
She appears to be in bondage to the Spirit Of Bad Couture And Accessories.

Hallelujah brother! Somebody pleeeaaasssse deliver her.

Posted by que sais-je (# 17185) on :

I thought of Hobbes' Leviathan, then wondered if it could be an adjective derived from Levi(te). Can any of you knowledgeable folks tell me?

Posted by Spiffy (# 5267) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PaulBC:
I found the presentation very racist as if you were first nations, Mexican, black you have thisin your blood line. HUH ?? This is trying to blame sonething thats unseen for the way we act. Seem to have heard this stuff before and it made no sense then either. If I listened to too much of this I'd believe in nothing, it would affect me so.

Yes, I do enjoy being told I have the Mark of Cain because I'm Hispanic and I need to atone for my ancestors mixing their pure European blood with base blood.

Usually at that point I tune my great-aunt out.

From a surface level psychological point of view it seems to a very comforting thing to be able to blame your bad behavior on demons and having the ability to speak the proper word (in this case, the name of Jesus) to control those 'outside forces'.

From a theological point of view this is best spread at 2" thick around the roots of your rose bushes. Because it's grade A prime, organic cow manure.

Posted by Amos (# 44) on :

quote:
Originally posted by que sais-je:
I thought of Hobbes' Leviathan, then wondered if it could be an adjective derived from Levi(te). Can any of you knowledgeable folks tell me?

'Leviathan' (the mythical sea-serpent in the Book of Job) and 'Levi' (the name of one of the sons of Israel) have different Hebrew roots. Don't be fooled by their English transliterations.

Posted by Siegfried (# 29) on :

I remember some fringe charismatic book now that my dad had--How to Live Like a King's Kid or some such. Among the many things related by the author, in addition to the old chestnut about NASA finding Joshua's missing day, was one about a demon possession. I vaguely recall a Behemoth spirit was involved. No Leviathan, though.

Posted by Penny S (# 14768) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Spiffy:

quote:
Originally posted by PaulBC:
I found the presentation very racist as if you were first nations, Mexican, black you have thisin your blood line. HUH ?? This is trying to blame sonething thats unseen for the way we act. Seem to have heard this stuff before and it made no sense then either. If I listened to too much of this I'd believe in nothing, it would affect me so.
Yes, I do enjoy being told I have the Mark of Cain because I'm Hispanic and I need to atone for my ancestors mixing their pure European blood with base blood.

Usually at that point I tune my great-aunt out.

From a surface level psychological point of view it seems to a very comforting thing to be able to blame your bad behavior on demons and having the ability to speak the proper word (in this case, the name of Jesus) to control those 'outside forces'.

From a theological point of view this is best spread at 2" thick around the roots of your rose bushes. Because it's grade A prime, organic cow manure.

Hang on, you need to let it mature away from your plants first to avoid damage!

Posted by Spiffy (# 5267) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:

quote:
Originally posted by Spiffy:

quote:
Originally posted by PaulBC:
I found the presentation very racist as if you were first nations, Mexican, black you have thisin your blood line. HUH ?? This is trying to blame sonething thats unseen for the way we act. Seem to have heard this stuff before and it made no sense then either. If I listened to too much of this I'd believe in nothing, it would affect me so.
Yes, I do enjoy being told I have the Mark of Cain because I'm Hispanic and I need to atone for my ancestors mixing their pure European blood with base blood.

Usually at that point I tune my great-aunt out.

From a surface level psychological point of view it seems to a very comforting thing to be able to blame your bad behavior on demons and having the ability to speak the proper word (in this case, the name of Jesus) to control those 'outside forces'.

From a theological point of view this is best spread at 2" thick around the roots of your rose bushes. Because it's grade A prime, organic cow manure.
Hang on, you need to let it mature away from your plants first to avoid damage!

Trust me, this is some old, tired, bullshit.

Posted by PaulBC (# 13712) on :

It is the stuff that makes the grass grow in Texas alright !!!!!!!!!!!! [Votive]

Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :

Paul, you are clearly a devout man with a touching and direct faith - but it is really not necessary to end every single post with some combination of [Angel]

Posted by PaulBC (# 13712) on :

Doublethink
If I offend thee my apolgy. At least your comment shows you are reading the posts [Big Grin]

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