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On the Motorsport thread Imaginary Friend suggest that NASCAR is the Stupidest Thing In Sport.

For what it's worth I'm no NASCAR fan, and I prefer two wheels to four, but motor racing is way batter than any of those sports that rely on judges to determine the relative merit of the competitors.

Amongst others that puts gymnastics, ski-jumping, dressage, professional boxing as well as synchronised swimming in the Room 101 of "Competitive Sport".

Anyway, my contender for TSIS is from cricket. The "six" should be abolished. No premium should be given for balls clearing the boundary without pitching in the field of play. Batsmen are still welcome to hit over the infield, but they shouldn't get a bonus for it, especially when there is often a limit on how many fielders can be on the boundary.

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Oh, Sioni, you're SO wrong, but I don't have time to type the mini-essay that would fully explain why. Watch this space.

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I might be stepping on some traditions sacred to the Great Unwashed* here, but the ridiculous diving in soccer would have to be up there. Any player who takes a dive and wants a free kick should have to wait until an ice hockey player comes off the sideline and beats the snot out of them before putting the ball on the spot.

ETA - SS, you're wrong. Clearing the boundary is a worthy achievement since the number of fielders on the rope won't make a scrap of difference. And it's not regulated in all forms of the game anyway.


* Australian term for the English race.

[ 24. March 2013, 02:14: Message edited by: the giant cheeseburger ]

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Ski-Jumping.
Style points? WTF does style matter? Whatever gets you the furthest. In fact, if your style is horrible, but you still land further, you should receive extra points.
If you land further, your style is by default better. Instead skiers are judged by whether a ski might have wandered a millimetre off line. What utter bollocks.

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Ski-Jumping.
Style points? WTF does style matter? Whatever gets you the furthest. In fact, if your style is horrible, but you still land further, you should receive extra points.
If you land further, your style is by default better. Instead skiers are judged by whether a ski might have wandered a millimetre off line. What utter bollocks.

I think there's room for keeping this part, but democratising it to measure entertainment value over technical skill.

Hold the ski jump rounds on the opening day or two of the Olympics, then post all the clips to YouTube. The one with the most views before the closing ceremony then gets the most style points.

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Do that and I shall win Olympic gold without reaching the end of the ramp.

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Silver maybe, I think going off the end of the ramp followed by a headplant into the snow would get a few more hits, and much greater potential for memes.

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If it's a sport, it can be measured; if it must be judged, it's an art. If they're going to have figure skating in the Winter Olympics, they should have ballroom dancing in the Summer Olympics.

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quote:
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Silver maybe, I think going off the end of the ramp followed by a headplant into the snow would get a few more hits, and much greater potential for memes.

Aye then, I think I can manage that. I'll start constructing a display for my medals.

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quote:
Originally posted by the giant cheeseburger:
I might be stepping on some traditions sacred to the Great Unwashed* here, but the ridiculous diving in soccer would have to be up there. Any player who takes a dive and wants a free kick should have to wait until an ice hockey player comes off the sideline and beats the snot out of them before putting the ball on the spot.

Amen.

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quote:
Originally posted by the giant cheeseburger:
I might be stepping on some traditions sacred to the Great Unwashed* here, but the ridiculous diving in soccer would have to be up there. Any player who takes a dive and wants a free kick should have to wait until an ice hockey player comes off the sideline and beats the snot out of them before putting the ball on the spot.

What the man says. Cheating (and persistent foul play) will only reduce when points are deducted, as they are for clubs going into administration.
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ETA - SS, you're wrong. Clearing the boundary is a worthy achievement since the number of fielders on the rope won't make a scrap of difference. And it's not regulated in all forms of the game anyway.

* Australian term for the English race.

OK, let's compromise. Boundaries have been shortened to make fielding safer (and increase scores) so revert to the 19th century rule that sixes were only awarded if the ball went out of the ground! No more sixes for chip shots.

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Stupidest thing in sport, team rules in F1.

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Or I might mean team orders [Ultra confused]

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quote:
Originally posted by the giant cheeseburger:
I might be stepping on some traditions sacred to the Great Unwashed* here, but the ridiculous diving in soccer would have to be up there. Any player who takes a dive and wants a free kick should have to wait until an ice hockey player comes off the sideline and beats the snot out of them before putting the ball on the spot.

Soccer? Surely you mean football. Anyway, I'm a big hockey fan and totally agree with the point. In fact, I think they should allow fighting in football.
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They do. Its called Gaelic and Australian football.

Stupidest things in football now: that refs can't take advice from an official not on the pitch or from instant video replay when judging a foul. (Just ask Newcastle). And the automatic yellow card for a player who takes his shirt off. (And why do players still do it?)

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quote:
Originally posted by Timothy the Obscure:
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The beautiful thing is that they basically have that - spotters sit on top of the grandstand and are in radio communication with the driver telling him when there's a car alongside or what line to take through an accident!

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If it's a sport, it can be measured; if it must be judged, it's an art. If they're going to have figure skating in the Winter Olympics, they should have ballroom dancing in the Summer Olympics.
Funny you should say that

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Normally I quite like watching cycling but there is one bit of velodrome cycling where the competitors wobble at the top of the boards for as long as possible and then make a mad dash for the line - one of the daftest things I've ever seen.

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If we're talking about cycling, then the Madison is pretty nuts as well. Riders taking sling-shots off their teammate seems unnecessarily foolish.

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If we're talking about cycling, then the Madison is pretty nuts as well. Riders taking sling-shots off their teammate seems unnecessarily foolish.

Wash your mouth out! If it was unnecessary then nobody would be doing it, given it's not a compulsory part of the Madison. But they do keep doing it, because a big sling can be a big advantage coming just before contesting a sprint lap or when trying to break off the front of the pack.

A good hand-sling is a great example of an advanced tactic that can be an important winning move but also carries the risk of failure. Diving for a catch, an overhead scissor kick or a risky tennis shot aimed right for the corner of the court are other examples of the same thing.


Interestingly, the Madison is the only regular track cycling event which is contested at elite level by only the men. Cycling Australia held the first ever Madison for women cyclists as an exhibition race late last year, most of the ladies have never trained for it (not being a regular event ... yet) so they mostly just tagged each other or went for the middle option of a less effective push on the incoming rider's butt as they went past.

Had the Russians gotten this move right on the second lap of 200 at the last World Championships, they could well have been in position to shake up the race right from the outset. As it was, they instead had the replay posted on YouTube [Snigger]

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Stupidest *recent* thing in sport must have been Alistair Cook's decision to ask New Zealand to bat first in the current Test match.

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I've always thought that the polished boards of a velodrome look really slippery. Looking at how that rider's back wheel stepped out on him I guess they really are!

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I've always thought that the polished boards of a velodrome look really slippery. Looking at how that rider's back wheel stepped out on him I guess they really are!

Not particularly, it slipped because it was lifted off the surface by the front wheel digging in after being turned to one side while moving at high speed.

With the nice sticky tyres you get on a track bike there is no shortage of grip unless the track is very dusty from lack of use or cleaning, and that would not have been the case at the Track World Championships.

If you haven't ever ridden on a velodrome, it's a lot of fun. Most velodromes will have "come and try" sessions run by the local clubs on a regular basis where they'll get you on a hire bike with toe straps so you don't even need cycling shoes. I've done a couple at the Adelaide SuperDrome (the home of our national team) which were great fun. I'm sure the nearest city to you with a velodrome (London? Manchester?) would have programs like that available, especially Manchester where there will always be somebody from the national team staff keeping an eye out to see if you have some previously undiscovered talent they can nurture [Biased]

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quote:
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If you haven't ever ridden on a velodrome, it's a lot of fun. Most velodromes will have "come and try" sessions run by the local clubs on a regular basis where they'll get you on a hire bike with toe straps so you don't even need cycling shoes. I've done a couple at the Adelaide SuperDrome (the home of our national team) which were great fun. I'm sure the nearest city to you with a velodrome (London? Manchester?) would have programs like that available, especially Manchester where there will always be somebody from the national team staff keeping an eye out to see if you have some previously undiscovered talent they can nurture [Biased]

There's even an international standard velodrome here in Newport!

Bugger all else mind. It's quite a way from the centre of town and the railway station, but beginners can hire bikes and helmets.

Sioni, doing his bit for Nooport.

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quote:
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...it slipped because it was lifted off the surface by the front wheel digging in after being turned to one side while moving at high speed.

Ah, okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

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Most velodromes will have "come and try" sessions run by the local clubs on a regular basis ... I'm sure the nearest city to you with a velodrome (London? Manchester?) would have programs like that available...

Well, given that I've lived in Washington, DC for the last few years (and Canada before that!) I hope there's one a bit closer. I honestly have no idea where though. Might be fun.

But if I'm really honest, I'd rather make the trip to Dover International Speedway, or Richmond VA to watch the rednecks and their stock cars. [Biased]

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Well, given that I've lived in Washington, DC for the last few years (and Canada before that!) I hope there's one a bit closer. I honestly have no idea where though. Might be fun.

Trexlertown, PA. Seriously. They were planning to build one here—or, really, move it from Chicago—but it was kind of a fly-by-night operation anyway, more wishful thinking and put-up-a-website fundraising than actual work.

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Fighting in hockey. If you to know about it, here's a pretty typical example, unusual except for the number of players involved.

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Makes for great jokes, though: "I went to a fight, and a hockey game broke out."

I glanced through the thread, and I don't see that anyone's mention mixed martial arts. I think it looks stupid, and I'd think one would have to be just a bit stupid to participate.

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And if you weren't stupid, you would be after getting kicked in the head a few times.

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And if you weren't stupid, you would be after getting kicked in the head a few times.

Never mind the relationship between Hocky and fisticuffs, have you heard of the "ninety-nine" call used by the British Lions Rugby team on their 1974 tour to South Africa? In those days the host authorities provided the referees and they did nothing to prevent or stop foul play by home players, so the Lions captain (All Hail Willie John McBride) gave the instruction that if any player was hit or threatened he only needed to call "ninety-nine!" and all his teammates would lay into all the opposition, causing a 30-man scrapfight! The theory was that no ref could sent everyone off, so he would send no-one off. It worked and cut down the violence too, but who on earth thought that non-neutral referees was a good idea, especially in a rugby-mad nation?

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baseball: designated hitter!

Have I ever told you I love you, comet?

Apart from the DH, which is clearly the final word on any thread like this for all right-thinking people, I'd also like to nominate the current state of rugby scrums. As ways of restarting the game go, a couple of minutes of adjusting and grunting followed by a randomly assigned penalty don't seem ideal.

And to slightly subvert the thread, I'd like to nominate Plaxico Burress. Crazy name, crazy honourable mention in the Darwin Awards.

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The DH rule makes watching baseball tolerable. The NL will eventually adopt it. The sight of pitchers flailing away in the batter's box is farcical.
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The DH rule makes watching baseball tolerable. The NL will eventually adopt it. The sight of pitchers flailing away in the batter's box is farcical.

[Mad] [Mad] Vile heretick!

It's a fundamental principle of the game that the same nine players are expected to both bat and field, and it affords a much richer game than the picking and choosing of a DH. Whether the pitcher bats or not is less relevant to my mind than whether the DH fields, although it comes to the same thing. Players can be more skilled in one area or another, but they must all play their part in both the top and bottom of the game. I don't want batters who can't field and don't have to.

It's more interesting and strategic when there's a question of how to manage a notably weak link in the batting lineup (and in some cases, this would be a harsh description). When do you make the double switch? Do you order your pitcher to sac bunt, or do you trust him to hit? Your pitcher's been on fire, but the scores are level and he's up next with 2 out and bases loaded. Do you bring in a pinch hitter?

For people who prefer their baseball bland and unimaginative, the AL isn't going to drop the DH any time soon. The rest of us will carry on watching the stuff for grown-ups.

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wow... I've never actually met anyone who supports the DH.

it's not about having a line-up of all winners. a team game is about different members having different strengths. and weaknesses. THAT is what I find enjoyable about watching the game.

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quote:
Originally posted by comet:
to mangle a metaphor: too many rock stars spoil the soup.

Or to put it another way: not everyone can be the lead guitarist. [Biased]

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quote:
Originally posted by comet:
baseball: designated hitter!

I know! I want so badly to love my Seattle Mariners but they're still using designated hitters, aren't they?! God, what a terrible idea!

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quote:
Originally posted by Caissa:
The sight of pitchers flailing away in the batter's box is farcical.

Funnily enough, it's not so many days since the
equivalent of a picher flailing away in the batter's box created a nail-biting finish to a series hat was utterly unlike all predictions.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
quote:
Originally posted by Caissa:
The DH rule makes watching baseball tolerable. The NL will eventually adopt it. The sight of pitchers flailing away in the batter's box is farcical.

[Mad] [Mad] Vile heretick!

It's a fundamental principle of the game that the same nine players are expected to both bat and field, and it affords a much richer game than the picking and choosing of a DH...

In church league back in the 90s, I couldn't pitch, couldn't run, couldn't field and was marginal as catcher, but I was always good for a single and sometimes managed to get home. I would have relished the position of DH as I would not have needed to borrow a glove!

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quote:
Originally posted by Caissa:
The sight of pitchers flailing away in the batter's box is farcical.

I've decided after watching less than a whole lot of baseball, that the sight of some superannuated, lard-arse waddling out to bat with a fair chance of popping his clogs if he runs a triple is pretty absurd too.

Why can't pitchers learn to bat?

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Most pitchers, when young, are among the best general athletes on their teams. But somewhere along the line as they get older, coaches decide that skilled pitching is so critical to the team that they don't want their pitchers to waste a moment or a neuron on anything but pitching and fielding during practice. So their batting skills don't keep up with the pitching skills of their opponents.

I like pitchers batting. There is always that moment when I wonder "Is he gonna surprise us this time?" And sometimes he does. [Cool]

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Walter Johnson was an excellent hitter - batted .400 one year.

But if they're too good, pitchers tend to get made daily players. Babe Ruth is the classic example, but Lefty O'Doul remade himself as a power hitter after his pitching career went downhill.

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I have to say that I have a hard time taking racewalking seriously.

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quote:
Originally posted by basso:
Walter Johnson was an excellent hitter - batted .400 one year.

But if they're too good, pitchers tend to get made daily players. Babe Ruth is the classic example, but Lefty O'Doul remade himself as a power hitter after his pitching career went downhill.

No need to go far into the past. Rick Ankiel was a Major League pitcher for 4 or 5 years (2000-2004) and then reinvented himself as an outfielder and is still a respectable batter today. Not great. Not a Babe Ruth. But he can hit.

There is no reason that every pitcher could not be a halfway decent batter. The concept that because somebody pitches they can't swing a bat effectively is just wrong.

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Originally posted by no prophet:
Fighting in hockey. If you to know about it, here's a pretty typical example, unusual except for the number of players involved.

LOL! Here's a good site that has the videos for all the fights and has rating for them. Here's easily the best fight of last season from the AHL.
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quote:
Originally posted by Grits:
I glanced through the thread, and I don't see that anyone's mention mixed martial arts. I think it looks stupid, and I'd think one would have to be just a bit stupid to participate.

OI! I have a few MMA trophies under my belt (NHB Ground & Pound type events mainly). If you like fighting then there is no finer test than fighting people who train in lots of different Martial Arts. It certainly put my Karate/Kung Fu on a whole new footing as soon as I wasn't playing by the rules of one particular art.

As for stupid sports, Synchronised Swimming is my particular dislike. Not-quite-drowning while wearing rictus grins and plenty of leg and gusset flashing is not a sport.

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A stupid sport (again, is it really a sport?), that thing in the gymnastics where a girl prances about waving a ribbon or throwing a ball about. What's all that about?
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quote:
Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
A stupid sport (again, is it really a sport?), that thing in the gymnastics where a girl prances about waving a ribbon or throwing a ball about. What's all that about?

Its about the large number of men who watch sport on TV getting to see fit young gitls in tight clothes. You can fill in the rest yourself.

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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
A stupid sport (again, is it really a sport?), that thing in the gymnastics where a girl prances about waving a ribbon or throwing a ball about. What's all that about?

Its about the large number of men who watch sport on TV getting to see fit young gitls in tight clothes. You can fill in the rest yourself.
Yeah, but aren't they all about thirteen or fourteen?
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I think that's kinda ken's point.

But let's move the thread gently away from accusations of impropriety, shall we?

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