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Posted by HCH (# 14313) on :

In today's news there was a story stating that Pat Robertson, an elderly American televangelist, is in hot water over remarks he made to a woman whose husband was committing adultery:

“Stop talking about the cheating. He cheated on you. Well, he’s a man. O.K."

As a heterosexual male, I feel insulted by this remark. I think "man" implies "adult" and "adult" implies "self-control". I also wonder what Robertson's wife thought about it.

What do you think?

Posted by The Riv (# 3553) on :

I think that any discussion of Pat Robertson is a complete waste of bandwidth.

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

Pat Robertson believes in male headship. That's a dead horse, but explains his comment.

Pat Robertson is also a complete waste of bandwith, as The Riv has already said.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
Pat Robertson believes in male headship. That's a dead horse, but explains his comment.

I don't think the
Promise Keepers would agree that the idea of headship excuses his statement (see Promise 4.)

In fact, that was one of my thoughts on the matter- Promise Keepers should be leading the charge on this guys' idiotic statement, if they really take that "promise" bit seriously.

My very first thought, though, was "Isn't Robertson one of the douches that wailed about Jimmy Carter admitting he lusted after women in his heart?" (I could not track down a direct quote, but he was one of the leaders of the Moral Majority at the time, which collectively shouted Carter down.)

Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :

Man is the head of the family but the wife is the neck and she determines where the head gets turned. That's how it is with us, anyway.

When I saw a thread titled "Pat Robertson" I assumed he must have died. He's been an old fart for at least thirty years or more. He may not be dead, then, but his answer tells me he's at least getting awfully tired.

Posted by kankucho (# 14318) on :

quote:
Originally posted by HCH:
... I think "man" implies "adult" and "adult" implies "self-control". ...

His take appears to be that "adultery" implies what "adults" do.

So that's nine commandments he's down to now. Nice to see he's becoming a bit more pragmatic in his old age.

[ 17. May 2013, 20:52: Message edited by: kankucho ]

Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :

I bet a guy his age doesn't even remember his last woody.

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

So it is in the nature of men to stray, but not women. So who does he have adultery with?

Robertson's theory does nor add up. Again.

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

The story.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

It's apparently the nature of some men to bend over backwards to find ever-increasing avenues to exercise entitlement. That kind of guy should represent a walking insult to men, no matter what sphere his bid for entitlement might address.

[ 17. May 2013, 21:23: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Charles Had a Splurge on (# 14140) on :

quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
So who does he have adultery with?

Sluts and whores, obviously. Women not worthy of that wonderful, pure and holy name.

see Proverbs for details.

Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :

Was he talking to Hillary?

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
The story.

From the story: CBN's press statement:
"'Lastly, his point was that everyone is human and there is much temptation outside of the home, so she should do whatever she can to strengthen their home and relationship. His intent was not to condone infidelity or to cast blame. We regret any misunderstanding,' the statement concluded."

Boy, the cluelessness in that statement.

Still the impetus to control temptation is placed on the person not actually facing temptation. If the guy is facing temptation and he doesn't think it's his job to control it, "She's trying too hard" will make just as good an excuse as "She's not trying hard enough."

The problem is how many excuses are available.

[ 17. May 2013, 21:30: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Mockingale (# 16599) on :

He's an Ivy League lawyer who figured out there's more money to be made by getting on TV and bilking the scared and the weak minded out of their life savings, in the name of the Lord. And now he's getting senile. How's he supposed to remember basic moral tenets from week to week?

Just as long as he harps on gays, liberals and the War on Christmas, who cares about the rest, right?

Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :

Wasn't he the one who called the 2010 earthquake in Haiti a punishment from God?

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

Scope for a fair bit of Hellish Robertson-ranting here; headship issues belong in DH under DH guidelines re the role of women. Is there anything left for Purgatory?

On balance I think the thread should go to Hell, but I'll check out with a HellHost first. Meantimes, bash on.

Barnabas62
Purgatory Host

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Boy, the cluelessness in that statement.

quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
Wasn't he the one who called the 2010 earthquake in Haiti a punishment from God?

You expect Robertson to have a clue about anything?

Posted by bib (# 13074) on :

Never heard of the creep.

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by bib:
Never heard of the creep.

Aren't you the lucky one?

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

Prepare to chew on him in the Nether Regions ...

Off to Hell you go.

Barnabas62
Purgatory Host

Posted by Mockingale (# 16599) on :

quote:
Originally posted by bib:
Never heard of the creep.

Huge pentecostal televangelist in the United States, and one of the last few to survive the tax fraud and adultery scandals that ruined so many other "greats" of the genre; probably most famous for making ridiculous statements about 9/11 being the fault of the gays and uppity women. Had a couple of failed presidential primary campaigns in the 80s.

Posted by Polly (# 1107) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mockingale:

quote:
Originally posted by bib:
Never heard of the creep.
Huge pentecostal televangelist in the United States, and one of the last few to survive the tax fraud and adultery scandals that ruined so many other "greats" of the genre; probably most famous for making ridiculous statements about 9/11 being the fault of the gays and uppity women. Had a couple of failed presidential primary campaigns in the 80s.

As much as I dislike the fact Phelps is acually a Baptist not Pentecostal.

Posted by Polly (# 1107) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Polly:

quote:
Originally posted by Mockingale:

quote:
Originally posted by bib:
Never heard of the creep.
Huge pentecostal televangelist in the United States, and one of the last few to survive the tax fraud and adultery scandals that ruined so many other "greats" of the genre; probably most famous for making ridiculous statements about 9/11 being the fault of the gays and uppity women. Had a couple of failed presidential primary campaigns in the 80s.
As much as I dislike the fact Phelps is acually a Baptist not Pentecostal.

Apologies as I am getting my fundy luatics mixed up!

Posted by PaulBC (# 13712) on :

Robertson evidently forgets the 7th commandment "Thou shalt not comit adultery'
He was one the people who came after , Jimmy Swagert when he got caught stepping out.And
some of his other stances 9/11 a punishment for tolerating homosexuality, Haiti made a pact with the devil , I prayed and a hurricane was turned away from US coast. He goes on & on and the rest of the church has to bear the fall out. Add him to Swagertt, the Westboro crowd and is it any wonder people think we're all like
that ? For the record the scriptures teach against adultery, and all sorts of misconduct
the only solution is ask forgiveness and go & sin no more. And as for Pat Robertson, try retirement you might like it. [Smile]

Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Polly:
Apologies as I am getting my fundy luatics mixed up!

Easily done!

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by balaam:

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Boy, the cluelessness in that statement.

quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
Wasn't he the one who called the 2010 earthquake in Haiti a punishment from God?
You expect Robertson to have a clue about anything?

It was quoted from CBN's press release, if you read what I actually wrote, and they were supposed to be mopping up for him. They only managed to compound the stupidity.

I don't think even Robertson is far gone enough to keep referring to himself in the third person.

[ 18. May 2013, 19:44: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on :

quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
The story.

I'm surprised nobody's commented yet on the last bit of the story:

quote:
Earlier this year Robertson was criticized when he suggested a woman's looks might be to blame for her marital problems. Robertson told a story about a woman who asked a reverend how to stop her husband's drinking problem.

"She was awful looking. The preacher looked at her and said, 'Madam, if I was married to you I'd start to drink too,'" Robertson said.

So not only is the wife responsible for keeping such a wonderful home her hubby never wants to "wander" (the trivializing euphemistic verbs these idiots use! What do they call it when she has sex with the pool guy?), she's also required, as part of her Christian duty, to be gorgeous. Where does it say that about virtuous wives in the Bible?

Also, I'm curious what advice he offers to husbands when their wives commit adultery?

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:

Also, I'm curious what advice he offers to husbands when their wives commit adultery?

Become a Muslim so that you may beat her.

Posted by HughWillRidmee (# 15614) on :

Not just a silly old man

Wikipedia includes

[tidied]

[ 19. May 2013, 04:50: Message edited by: RooK ]

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Also, his rhetoric and the menace of the Moral Majority kept Washington from addressing the AIDS crisis until several years into its outbreak. He differs from Fred Phelps in that Phelps doesn't have any political power. Robertson, Falwell, and the MM had the power to allow an epidemic to happen.

Maybe there is a bit of schadenfreude in this discussion, in Robertson is making statements that are only going to piss of his own demographic which has been screaming "Family Values!"since 1989.

Guys like him will point out that there are fewer men in the world than women when they are encouraging their insecurities about their marriage status/ dating acceptability/ whatever, but it's funny how that concept doesn't come into play when you think about things like-- oh, rating? Votes?

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

HughWillRidmee, don't copy/paste text here from other sources. Refresh your understanding of Commandment 7 with the understanding that we will punt you for even a whiff of copyright violation.

-RooK
Hellish Admin

Posted by Sarkycow (# 1012) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
Also, I'm curious what advice he offers to husbands when their wives commit adultery?

I'd guess he thinks wives don't commit adultery because they can control themselves - since it's their job to make sure the man doesn't stray it follows he thinks they are the strong one. So really he's saying that men are the weaker sex [Big Grin]

Posted by rolyn (# 16840) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sarkycow:
So really he's saying that men are the weaker sex

Many are beginning to arrive at this conclusion even though it's taken several Millennia for humanity's greatest ever lie to be exposed.

But by Heaven , if this Robertson is a Bible literalist then men are the stronger sex, no 'ifs' no 'buts' . Likewise his advice to any man whose wife has committed adultery would therefore be to get a stoning party together.

I dunno, don't really care all that much . Liked Mere Nick's comments , made me laugh.

Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :

Men who say things like, "It's natural for men to wander," never seem to be aware of what they're confessing.

Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :

Oops, sorry about the double post. I was going to bring you some wonderful clips of Al Franken of Saturday Night Live doing his impression of the ever-smiling, always stupid Pat Robertson but then I remembered how much Sioni hates links, so if you're interested just Google on Pat Robertson/Church Lady or Al and Pat.

I also found a nice site that claims Pat Robertson is proof against Intelligent Design.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
Oops, sorry about the double post. I was going to bring you some wonderful clips of Al Franken of Saturday Night Live doing his impression of the ever-smiling, always stupid Pat Robertson but then I remembered how much Sioni hates links, so if you're interested just Google on Pat Robertson/Church Lady or Al and Pat.

I also found a nice site that claims Pat Robertson is proof against Intelligent Design.

Thanks Twilight, I was having a rant about links to youtube and video clips in general because my PC slows to a crawl when I try to view them. When I get my finger out I'll buy something with a bit more get-up-and-go.

Sioni

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

I looked him up. His foreskin appears to have crept up over his head.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

The guy must be jealous of the attention Phelps gets.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

What a complete waste of carbon.

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

He is not a waste of carbon. He is here as a lesson to all of us that having your head stuck up your ass gives you a narrow perspective.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

Not enough have understood this lesson.

quote:
Robertson's extensive business interests have earned him a net worth estimated between $200 million and $1 billion

Posted by Squirrel (# 3040) on :

Pat may say some offensive, dumb stuff, but he's shrewd as far as business and politics are concerned.

Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on :

Shrewd? Or greedy?

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

Both.

I just had a flash: DoesIndifferently admire him?

Posted by the giant cheeseburger (# 10942) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
Both.

I just had a flash: DoesIndifferently admire him?

Indifferently would probably find himself horribly conflicted here - while the wife-beating and incoherent ramblings might be appealing, Robertson is not Anglican enough for him. I don't think anybody is Anglican enough for him so he would have to make some level of compromise with any life partner, but a Baptist would be right out.

Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on :

The amusing thing about Robertson is that he was part of the Fundamentalist/Roman Catholic/Orthodox Jew group that was fulminating about The Gays. They had to gingerly pretend he had never published a set of rants about how Catholics were going to Hell.

Dead Horses make strange bedfellows, if you'll pardon the image.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
Both.

I just had a flash: Does Indifferently admire him?

Indifferently admiration runs only as far as to Indifferently. To others he is entirely indifferent.

Posted by Matt Black (# 2210) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sarkycow:

quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
Also, I'm curious what advice he offers to husbands when their wives commit adultery?
I'd guess he thinks wives don't commit adultery because they can control themselves - since it's their job to make sure the man doesn't stray it follows he thinks they are the strong one. So really he's saying that men are the weaker sex

So why the fuck does he think that makes men qualified to be in charge of things?

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Matt Black:

quote:
Originally posted by Sarkycow:

quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
Also, I'm curious what advice he offers to husbands when their wives commit adultery?
I'd guess he thinks wives don't commit adultery because they can control themselves - since it's their job to make sure the man doesn't stray it follows he thinks they are the strong one. So really he's saying that men are the weaker sex
So why the fuck does he think that makes men qualified to be in charge of things?

Umm, because he's a man, perhaps?

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Matt Black:

quote:
Originally posted by Sarkycow:

quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
Also, I'm curious what advice he offers to husbands when their wives commit adultery?
I'd guess he thinks wives don't commit adultery because they can control themselves - since it's their job to make sure the man doesn't stray it follows he thinks they are the strong one. So really he's saying that men are the weaker sex
So why the fuck does he think that makes men qualified to be in charge of things?

Oh they are not qualified. It's just that the Kingdom has not yet come in its fullness and the evil and weak people are still in charge.

We know, of course, that the first will be the last and the last the first so obviously women will rule the New Heaven and New Earth.*

(*Gospels + Book of Revelation - dontcha know.)

Posted by ORGANMEISTER (# 6621) on :

Several years ago, after Bro. Pat had said something especially offensive, a local Norfolk newspaper (I believe it was the Virginia Pilot) published an tongue-in-cheek editorial that wondered why so many people, especially those living north of the Mason-Dixon line were so outraged over Robertson's pronouncements. The piece went on to say that southerners were used to the idea that every family had some lunatic uncle, cousin, etc., the one that you didn't want to invite to weddings or other family occasions but had to because he was family, and you knew he was going to say something to piss off most of the people there. I think this pretty much explains Bro. Pat.

I understand his organization is withering away along with others of the big time televangelists.

Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ORGANMEISTER:
Several years ago, after Bro. Pat had said something especially offensive, a local Norfolk newspaper (I believe it was the Virginia Pilot) published an tongue-in-cheek editorial that wondered why so many people, especially those living north of the Mason-Dixon line were so outraged over Robertson's pronouncements. The piece went on to say that southerners were used to the idea that every family had some lunatic uncle, cousin, etc., the one that you didn't want to invite to weddings or other family occasions but had to because he was family, and you knew he was going to say something to piss off most of the people there. I think this pretty much explains Bro. Pat.

and of course the Duke of Edinburgh.

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