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Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

If someone wants to make this kind of idiotic gesture, I won't stop them.

That's one less person around to vote on the topic if it ever comes up again. Talk about giving a whole new meaning to 'loser'.

Idiot. Hysterical homophobic moron. Byeeeee.

Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :

I know just the kind of punishment the devil might have in store for him.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

Thinning the herd.

Posted by Pulsator Organorum Ineptus (# 2515) on :

"What we need at this stage is a futile gesture".

Monty Python

Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :

Does that deconsecrate the place?

Posted by L'organist (# 17338) on :

quote:
posted by Pulsator Organorum Ineptus
"What we need at this stage is a futile gesture".

Monty Python

No.

The quote is "We could use a futile gesture at this stage" and it was in the original Beyond the Fringe - the words being spoken by Peter Cook. [Smile]

Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Does that deconsecrate the place?

Canon 1211: Sacred places are violated by gravely injurious actions done in them with scandal to the faithful, actions which, in the judgment of the local ordinary, are so grave and contrary to the holiness of the place that it is not permitted to carry on worship in them until the damage is repaired by a penitential rite according to the norm of the liturgical books.
I would assume that the word "scandal" takes the ecclesiastical meaning, so I would guess that a rite is required in this unfortunate case.

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

A grumpy old son of a bitch decides that he needs to die to teach France a lesson about gay marriage.

To quote from a cousin "I wouldn't piss on him if his heart was on fire."

He went out of life like he apparently lived life; harming others with his reckless arrogance.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

Suspect dementia and probably thought disorder.

Posted by Jane R (# 331) on :

I can understand why people are angry and upset about this, but not why the guy chose to off himself next to the high altar at Notre Dame. I'm sure the Catholic Church has been vigorously opposing same-sex marriage legislation in France, just as it has everywhere else. So the result is that the biggest organisation opposed to SSM is put to the trouble and inconvenience of having the cathedral reconsecrated.

Personally, I hope the Catholics are wrong about suicide being a mortal sin and that he has been forgiven. Jesus died for everyone, even arrogant homophobic control freaks.

Nobody said forgiving your enemies was easy.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

I guess he just couldn't face life in a world where he wasn't allowed to marginalise and persecute gays any more.

If only a few other homophobes had the same courage in their convictions. The world could be made a better (albeit briefly messier) place in no time.

Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :

At the very least I hope a few French Christians* will be thinking a bit more seriously about whether they really want to try to achieve their political aims by cosying up the National Front. It's been ugly.

(*Both Catholics and Protestants have been opposing same-sex marriage, quite loudly. The RCs are more noticeable, though, on account of their being considerably more numerous.)

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian
If only a few other homophobes had the same courage in their convictions. The world could be made a better (albeit briefly messier) place in no time.

So you welcome the execution of people who oppose gay marriage?

I never realised you were a fanatical fundamentalist on a par with the worst theocrats of the Bible Belt!

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
So you welcome the execution of people who oppose gay marriage?

I have never joined any of the choruses dogging you in Hell.

Now I will.

What a shit head comment. Marvin never suggested execution. You just twisted his anger at this jerk to suit your own, rather frightening, need to be a advertisement for the dark side of evangelism.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

I find it far easier to sympathise with the soul and motives of Dominique Venner than I do with EtymologicalEvangelical.

Not much easier, but at least I have some for M. Venner.

Posted by Laurelin (# 17211) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
Suspect dementia and probably thought disorder.

Yes, that explanation makes sense to me, if you can make sense out of someone taking their life so senselessly for such an idiotically senseless reason. What a waste!

quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
Personally, I hope the Catholics are wrong about suicide being a mortal sin and that he has been forgiven. Jesus died for everyone, even arrogant homophobic control freaks.

Nobody said forgiving your enemies was easy.

This.

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

quote:
Originally posted by tortuf
You just twisted his anger at this jerk to suit your own, rather frightening, need to be a advertisement for the dark side of evangelism.

Which is what exactly?

I never made any comment about my view of evangelism. Neither have I made any comment about gay marriage, either for or against.

So, if you want to talk about "shit head comments", then perhaps you ought to consider that you have just jumped to a conclusion about my position.

Marvin clearly stated that he wished people like Dominique Venner dead, because he was apparently 'homophobic'. Firstly, opposing gay marriage does not make someone 'homophobic' (by which, I assume, is meant hatred of homosexual people). It may have nothing to do with views on homosexuality, but more to do with one's views on the institution of marriage.

Now to wish someone dead, because they hold views with which you happen to disagree, is a very small step from desiring their execution.

It's funny how you rail against me for apparently failing to indulge Marvin's anger, expressed through an intemperate and deeply fascist remark. Why don't you extend the same indulgence to me? If you don't like the way my remark is worded, then perhaps I could say that I am simply expressing my anger?

Or perhaps you just hold me to a higher standard than dear little Marvin? If so, I'm flattered, though I feel sorry that Marvin is being patronised (although I am sure he can stand up for himself, and doesn't need little you to hold his hand).

At the heart of it is this: there are certain moralisers in this world who feel at liberty to rail against and condemn those who uphold traditional morality (whether justified or not), but woe betide anyone who dares to expose their own self-righteousness.

This is one such case.

Pathetic.

[ 22. May 2013, 11:43: Message edited by: EtymologicalEvangelical ]

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Marvin clearly stated that he wished people like Dominique Venner dead, because he was apparently 'homophobic'.

I certainly wouldn't miss them.

quote:
Firstly, opposing gay marriage does not make someone 'homophobic'

Yes it does. In exactly the same way that opposing mixed-race marriages makes you racist.

quote:
It may have nothing to do with views on homosexuality, but more to do with one's views on the institution of marriage.

It doesn't matter why your boot is stamping on someone's face, only that it is.

quote:
Now to wish someone dead, because they hold views with which you happen to disagree, is a very small step from desiring their execution.

No, it's a fucking massive step.

While I'll freely accept that what I said wasn't very nice (hint: it wasn't supposed to be), to accuse me of being a fascist who wants to execute all who disagree with me is laughable. And frankly, it says more about you than it does about me.

quote:
At the heart of it is this: there are certain moralisers in this world who feel at liberty to rail against and condemn those who uphold traditional morality (whether justified or not), but woe betide anyone who dares to expose their own self-righteousness.

Traditional morality (AKA "only those people who are acceptable to the heirarchy may have the right to order their life as they see fit") can suck my shitty ass, and I'm eating a fucking vindaloo first. Deal.

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

Marvin,

I am going to save myself time and headache by not reading EE anymore. I suggest you do the same.

Posted by Matt Black (# 2210) on :

EE, where the fuck did Marvin say he supported the execution of the likes of M. Venner?

Posted by Ricardus (# 8757) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:

Now to wish someone dead, because they hold views with which you happen to disagree, is a very small step from desiring their execution.

I wish I had as much money as Bob Diamond. Does that mean I advocate stealing from his bank account?

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

Tortuf -

If you can't stand the heat of the kitchen...

Marvin -

And to think that you were the one who used to go on and on and on ad nauseam about "how there is good in everyone"...

Looks like we've seen the real Marvin!

(By the way... your racism comparison is invalid, because some people define marriage in heterosexual terms, much like procreation is necessarily defined. There is rather a fundamental difference between race and sex, for obvious biological reasons!)

Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Now to wish someone dead, because they hold views with which you happen to disagree, is a very small step from desiring their execution.

For rational people there are many, many steps between expressing a passive wish for a troublesome person's demise, and instituting legal execution for those of other views.

Anyone who truly believes what you've written above, EE, is potentially a dangerous sociopath.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
And to think that you were the one who used to go on and on and on ad nauseam about "how there is good in everyone"...

It's pretty well hidden in some. But in Salvation terms I'm sure this chap will even now be seeing the error of his ways and letting the good that is in him lead him through to paradise, just as one day we all will.

quote:
By the way... your racism comparison is invalid, because some people define marriage in heterosexual terms, much like procreation is necessarily defined.

Well yes, some people define marriage in heterosexual terms. And some people define it in race-segregated terms. So what?

quote:
There is rather a fundamental difference between race and sex, for obvious biological reasons!

That there is a difference between those concepts is obvious. That it's a difference that affects whether two people can elect to commit their lives to one another in a loving relationship is not.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Anselmina:
Anyone who truly believes what you've written above, EE, is potentially a dangerous sociopath.

As I said above, it says more about him than it does about me.

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Anselmina

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical
Now to wish someone dead, because they hold views with which you happen to disagree, is a very small step from desiring their execution.
Anyone who truly believes what you've written above, EE, is potentially a dangerous sociopath.

What utter pathetic bullshit!

Your comment is the most retarded remark I have read on the Ship in all the time I have been here (and that is saying something!)

So you seriously think that the person who merely points out that hatred - i.e. desiring others dead - can lead to action, is a "dangerous sociopath"?

OK. Fine. So Jesus Himself was a dangerous sociopath. Do you know what He said about hatred?

Or are really that piss ignorant? So we mustn't dare infer that "he who must not be mentioned for fear of transgressing Godwin's Law" indulged and fed a personal hatred of a certain group of people for years, before he then went on to execute his desires, must we? Because if anyone dares to point that out - like anyone with even a primary school grasp of human psychology - then that observer is the "dangerous sociopath" - not the maniac who actually does the killing!!

FFS. I need some fresh air after that...

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

If there's someone around who could possibly support EE, please do, to take some of the heat off him. He'll be complaining that he's persecuted/dogpiled/bullied next.

Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :

Don't look at me. The stupid sod's being a right stupid sod here.

Posted by comet (# 10353) on :

EE- you're a real gift to Hell. Keep it coming.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

He has a very good and valid point here.

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:

At the heart of it is this: there are certain moralisers in this world who feel at liberty to rail against and condemn those who uphold traditional morality (whether justified or not), but woe betide anyone who dares to expose their own self-righteousness.

This is one such case.

Pathetic.

Essentially, both sides are playing the self-righteous game.

But hey. That's just life.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

Oh look, Evensong turns up in a Hell thread to cheer for the underdog. It must be a day ending in "y".

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

It's all good and well for popular people.

Poor South Coast Kevin never had a fuckin chance calling you to hell did he?

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider
The stupid sod's being a right stupid sod here.

Who woulda thunk it!!!!

The Great Karl (Il)liberal Backslider, who rants and raves and foams at the mouth on Kerygmania about how nasty and evil God is for killing people, now tells me that I am being a "right stupid sod" for criticising Marvin "There is good in everyone" The Martian for wanting other people dead, just because they hold a different theory of marriage to precious little him!!

Consistency, dear. Ever heard of it?

[ 22. May 2013, 13:13: Message edited by: EtymologicalEvangelical ]

Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :

Your image of God, EE, your image of him. Not the real one, at least I bloody well hope not.

But you've never grasped that distinction, have you? Just like you fail to grasp quite a few. Exhibit A; this thread.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
just because they hold a different theory of marriage to precious little him

No, not because they believe different things to me. It's because they persecute others.

Posted by Ricardus (# 8757) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
So we mustn't dare infer that "he who must not be mentioned for fear of transgressing Godwin's Law" indulged and fed a personal hatred of a certain group of people for years, before he then went on to execute his desires, must we? Because if anyone dares to point that out - like anyone with even a primary school grasp of human psychology - then that observer is the "dangerous sociopath" - not the maniac who actually does the killing!!

Don't be silly. It's the 'small step' that people are objecting to. Lots of people, apparently*, have wished other people dead in their lives, but only a microscopic fraction of them actually put their desires into practice. From which one must conclude that it's not a small step at all, but a very large one.

* FWIW wishing people dead is one of the very few vices that I seem to have escaped. I've never seen the point - if they're dead, that eliminates all possibility of them ever saying, "Oh, how right you were all along, O Great Ricardus! How can I ever atone for my doubt?"

Posted by South Coast Kevin (# 16130) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
It's all good and well for popular people.

Poor South Coast Kevin never had a fuckin chance calling you to hell did he?

Heh heh

I can at least comfort myself with the fact that I avoided getting mightily dogpiled...

Posted by Ricardus (# 8757) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
So you seriously think that the person who merely points out that hatred - i.e. desiring others dead - can lead to action, is a "dangerous sociopath"?

OK. Fine. So Jesus Himself was a dangerous sociopath. Do you know what He said about hatred?

Let's remind ourselves what Jesus actually said. He said (AIUI) that calling people bad names was on a spectrum that has murder at the end of it. Do you think any of the following constitute bad names?

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
a fanatical fundamentalist on a par with the worst theocrats of the Bible Belt ... the most retarded remark I have read on the Ship in all the time I have been here ... are you really that piss ignorant ... The Great Karl (Il)liberal Backslider ...

Posted by The Riv (# 3553) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ricardus:

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
So we mustn't dare infer that "he who must not be mentioned for fear of transgressing Godwin's Law" indulged and fed a personal hatred of a certain group of people for years, before he then went on to execute his desires, must we? Because if anyone dares to point that out - like anyone with even a primary school grasp of human psychology - then that observer is the "dangerous sociopath" - not the maniac who actually does the killing!!
Don't be silly. It's the 'small step' that people are objecting to. Lots of people, apparently*, have wished other people dead in their lives, but only a microscopic fraction of them actually put their desires into practice. From which one must conclude that it's not a small step at all, but a very large one.

* FWIW wishing people dead is one of the very few vices that I seem to have escaped. I've never seen the point - if they're dead, that eliminates all possibility of them ever saying, "Oh, how right you were all along, O Great Ricardus! How can I ever atone for my doubt?"

Well, concerning wishing someone dead, what might we extrapolate from Jesus' teachings re: adultery in Matthew 5:28?

quote:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :

quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
At the very least I hope a few French Christians* will be thinking a bit more seriously about whether they really want to try to achieve their political aims by cosying up the National Front. It's been ugly.

Amen to that.

This incident fully vindicates my decision to stay well clear of the manif pour tous.

However, I think the way the law has been pushed through and the accompanying hamfisted ideological ranting by the government shows an appalling lack of sensitivity on its part about what is, obviously, a sensitive issue. It's been hard to find any sensible debate of the topic here (I mean in France, not the Ship).

Posted by goperryrevs (# 13504) on :

EE, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think that Gamaliel's presence was necessary to curb you in a bit. Without him here, you're sounding more shrill than ever. For someone who seems to prize logic very highly, the leap you made from what Marvin said to your description of what Marvin said was jaw dropping.

Posted by goperryrevs (# 13504) on :

quote:
Originally posted by The Riv:
Well, concerning wishing someone dead, what might we extrapolate from Jesus' teachings re: adultery in Matthew 5:28?

quote:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

That Jesus understood and knew how to use hyperbole effectively?

Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

quote:
Firstly, opposing gay marriage does not make someone 'homophobic'
Yes it does. In exactly the same way that opposing mixed-race marriages makes you racist.

Really?! What about gay people who don't believe in gay marriage?

(I don't deny that a great number of people who oppose gay marriage - perhaps the majority - are homophobic, but it seems to me that it's not axiomatic.)

quote:
From a related article:
French President Francois Hollande was set to sign a gay marriage and adoption bill into law on Saturday after it was cleared by the Constitutional Council which turned down a challenge by the right-wing opposition.

The Bills! The Bills!

Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :

quote:
Originally posted by goperryrevs:

quote:
Originally posted by The Riv:
Well, concerning wishing someone dead, what might we extrapolate from Jesus' teachings re: adultery in Matthew 5:28?

quote:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
That Jesus understood and knew how to use hyperbole effectively?

Oi! Of to Purg with you! Seriously, though, there's a good point in there but not for here.

Poo, bum, cretin, arsehole, fanny batter etc - not aimed at anyone in particular; just making post Hellish. Or more Hellique, I suppose.

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

quote:
Originally posted by goperryrevs
Without him here, you're sounding more shrill than ever.

Well, yeah, I suppose it is being quite 'shrill' to get upset about someone who basically wants people to drop dead who don't agree with him!

Suppose I came on here and said the following: "I just wish that everyone who disagrees with my moral position would just fucking well drop dead". I assume you would respect my view, and not call this 'shrill', eh?

You get upset at my 'logic', but I've noticed that you don't seem too upset at Marvin's vile comment. I think that is rather telling. The one who wants people dead is given a free pass, and the criticism falls on the person who seeks to uphold life. Funny that.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

My God, EE, your self-righteousness is so thick that my knife has been blunted and bent. Not that that's anything new, of course.

Posted by Gwai (# 11076) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Suppose I came on here and said the following: "I just wish that everyone who disagrees with my moral position would just fucking well drop dead". I assume you would respect my view, and not call this 'shrill', eh?

What you're missing is that yes, that would come across as a pretty normal Hell post.

Posted by Ricardus (# 8757) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
You get upset at my 'logic', but I've noticed that you don't seem too upset at Marvin's vile comment. I think that is rather telling. The one who wants people dead is given a free pass, and the criticism falls on the person who seeks to uphold life. Funny that.

Well, yes. Marvin's unpleasant but un-acted-upon desires remain a matter between him and the inside of his head, whereas your spraying insults all over the thread while putting words in other posters' mouths and ignoring what they're actually saying affects everyone who posts on this thread.

It's the difference, if you like, between private and public morality.

Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :

There's a difference between wishing someone dead, killing someone, and allowing someone to do with their life as they wish, including taking it. I advocate the latter, which is a good deal more than M. Venner advocated for the rest of us.

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ricardus
Do you think any of the following constitute bad names?

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical
a fanatical fundamentalist on a par with the worst theocrats of the Bible Belt ... the most retarded remark I have read on the Ship in all the time I have been here ... are you really that piss ignorant ... The Great Karl (Il)liberal Backslider ...

1. "a fanatical fundamentalist on a par with the worst theocrats of the Bible Belt" - no, because it is the truth. Wishing people dead who simply take a different view on something is precisely like the fanaticism of the worst theocrats of the Bible Belt.

2. "the most retarded remark I have read on the Ship in all the time I have been here" - calling someone a "dangerous sociopath" who sees a connection between the desire that certain people should be dead and actually wanting to be involved in the implementation of that goal (a connection entirely in accordance with the record of history), is a truly insane comment. It is therefore a "retarded remark". What do you want me to say? That it's a very sensible idea, or something? So again, it's the truth.

3. "are you really that piss ignorant" - I would agree that the use of the word 'piss' as emphasis is rather emotional, but we are actually on a board called 'hell' where this kind of language is expected (and where emotionally driven hyperbole is not only tolerated but defended, hence the fact that Marvin has got away scot free with his murderous language). So are you just criticising me here or are you willing to criticise the Ship for running this hell board? Or are you playing the hypocrite by targetting me, and yet not pulling other people up on their language? Do please clarify that point. Thank you.

4. "The Great Karl (Il)liberal Backslider" - yes, he is illiberal. Read his posts. So I make no apology for telling the truth.

As for your "bad name" theory... how do you read Jesus' words in Matthew 23? Just askin'...

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ricardus
Marvin's unpleasant but un-acted-upon desires remain a matter between him and the inside of his head...

That's why Marvin has made his 'private' views available to be read by just about anyone on the planet who can read English and has an internet connection!!

Good one, Ricardus. I can see you're a clever boy! Well done. [Killing me]

Posted by goperryrevs (# 13504) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Well, yeah, I suppose it is being quite 'shrill' to get upset about someone who basically wants people to drop dead who don't agree with him!

Ah, but the reason for your believing that is down to your inability to parse hyperbole.

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Suppose I came on here and said the following: "I just wish that everyone who disagrees with my moral position would just fucking well drop dead". I assume you would respect my view, and not call this 'shrill', eh?

I'd guess you were being hyperbolic. If it transpired that you sincerely held that belief, and wished to enforce it, then I think you should be locked up.

In other words, your emotional reaction is understandable, but it comes from your own inability to comprehend what Marvin said properly. Which isn't his fault.

And even if what Marvin said wasn't hyperbole, and he really does want homophobes to commit suicide, there's still a whole chasm to jump from that to thinking that homophobes should be executed.

Posted by Ricardus (# 8757) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Wishing people dead who simply take a different view on something is precisely like the fanaticism of the worst theocrats of the Bible Belt.

Only if it's acted on.

quote:
Calling someone a "dangerous sociopath" who sees a connection between the desire that certain people should be dead and actually wanting to be involved in the implementation of that goal (a connection entirely in accordance with the record of history), is a truly insane comment. It is therefore a "retarded remark".

a. You weren't called out for 'seeing a connection', but for asserting that it's a very small step. See this post.

b. Do you genuinely not see the difference between saying an idea is wrong and saying it is retarded?

quote:
So are you just criticising me here or are you willing to criticise the Ship for running this hell board? Or are you playing the hypocrite by targetting me, and yet not pulling other people up on their language?

Neither. I'm saying that if you want to judge people on the basis of Matthew 5:21-22, you'd better be prepared to accept the same judgement yourself.

quote:
"The Great Karl (Il)liberal Backslider" - yes, he is illiberal. Read his posts. So I make no apology for telling the truth.

'The Great' is clearly sarcastic, and messing with people's screen names is generally considered insulting.

quote:
As for your "bad name" theory... how do you read Jesus' words in Matthew 23? Just askin'...

Which particular part of Matthew 23 did you want me to comment on?

Posted by Ricardus (# 8757) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:

quote:
Originally posted by Ricardus
Marvin's unpleasant but un-acted-upon desires remain a matter between him and the inside of his head...
That's why Marvin has made his 'private' views available to be read by just about anyone on the planet who can read English and has an internet connection!!

Well, at least I can read ...

[ 22. May 2013, 15:09: Message edited by: Ricardus ]

Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :

Nah, I'm cool with that; I do it myself, eh, Eversnog?

Even more fun when it's complete bollocks. I mean, I know exactly how much esteem EE holds me in, so the sarky comments aren't exactly a surprise.

[ 22. May 2013, 15:14: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]

Posted by goperryrevs (# 13504) on :

Screw screen names. It's threads like this that make me wish I had a different avatar. Oh for the days when cool cats like Orfeo shared the same icon as me. Still, I had it first, and I'm not switching...

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

quote:
Firstly, opposing gay marriage does not make someone 'homophobic'
Yes it does. In exactly the same way that opposing mixed-race marriages makes you racist.
Really?! What about gay people who don't believe in gay marriage?

I hesitate to answer, not being part of the group being persecuted, so I'll just say "Uncle Tom" and leave others to make up their own minds.

Posted by The Riv (# 3553) on :

You've reminded me of a Noam Chomsky quote, Marvin:

quote:
The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow lively debate within that spectrum.

[ 22. May 2013, 15:23: Message edited by: The Riv ]

Posted by ken (# 2460) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
I can understand why people are angry and upset about this, but not why the guy chose to off himself next to the high altar at Notre Dame.

'cos Notre Dame is the mother church of the bitching whoring fornicating blaspheming people of Paris who need to be taught a lesson. The French far right, if they care for a church at all in Paris, are maybe are likely to prefer Sacre Coeur, the symbol of the old monarchists and the ultra-montane catholics. I have no idea what Venner's personal religious opinions were, but his sort of right-wing in France - the "Europeanists", and some of the old PPF/OAS borderline-fascist types - often tend to be atheist or openly anti-Christian and want to refound European culture on a Nordic base, or sometimes on pagan Greece, and chuck out all that wishy-washy peace and love stuff along with the rest of the nassty alien middle-eastern monotheist superstition.

Oh, and because every year it gets almost as many visitors as Disneyland (in California) or Trafalgar Square, and rather more than Disneyland (Paris) or the Niagara Falls. So anything done there is going to be seen by lots and lots of people.

And maybe because he fantasised himself as a character in a Dan Brown book.

[ 22. May 2013, 15:29: Message edited by: ken ]

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Suppose I came on here and said the following: "I just wish that everyone who disagrees with my moral position would just fucking well drop dead". I assume you would respect my view, and not call this 'shrill', eh?

Son, at this point in your voyage on the Ship you could post "the cat sat on the mat" and have people queuing up to tell you what a fucking egotistical shitbiscuit you are. You're so far up your own ass that it can only be described using non-Euclidian geometry.

quote:
'logic'

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

quote:
the person who seeks to uphold life.

Except for the gays, right?

Posted by leo (# 1458) on :

He doesn't sound like the sort of bloke I'd want to for a drink with - but i reckon anyone who commits suicide is mentally ill so I would urge a bit of sympathy rather than condemnation.

Posted by Liopleurodon (# 4836) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
Really?! What about gay people who don't believe in gay marriage?

Internalised homophobia is a thing. As is internalised sexism, internalised racism and so on. There still exist women who sincerely believe that women shouldn't be allowed to vote. It's still a sexist position when they believe that. The minority of gay people who don't like the concept of gay marriage are generally saying that they don't want it for themselves (which is fine - lots of straight people don't want to get married either), but the even smaller handful of gay people who don't think that SSM should be available at all are a right pain in the arse for the rest of the LGBT community because of stupid arguments like yours.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

quote:
Originally posted by leo:
He doesn't sound like the sort of bloke I'd want to for a drink with - but i reckon anyone who commits suicide is mentally ill so I would urge a bit of sympathy rather than condemnation.

I have sympathy for nearly anyone driven to suicide. But also anger towards some. This idiot traumatised children, uninvolved tourists, people who agreed with him as well as his supposed target audience. Narcissistic bastard.

BTW, EE. If you did not present as a mouth-foaming rage monkey, people might listen. Probably still not agree, but they might listen.

Posted by Ricardus (# 8757) on :

quote:
Originally posted by leo:
He doesn't sound like the sort of bloke I'd want to for a drink with - but i reckon anyone who commits suicide is mentally ill so I would urge a bit of sympathy rather than condemnation.

Not sure. My guess is that he sees himself as following the tradition of Jan Palach or Thích Quảng Đức, neither of whom were mentally ill, at least AIUI.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Tortuf -

If you can't stand the heat of the kitchen...

Not to speak for Tortuf, but I imagine it's not so much the heat as the foul stench of the garbage disposal.

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
You're so far up your own ass that it can only be described using non-Euclidian geometry.

Brilliant. Marvin, you truly are on a roll this month. Have you and Kelly been taking funny lessons together? You two are screamin'.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

Well, this has been educational. EtymologicalEvangelical can froth and foam perfectly well without Gamaliel to bounce off of.

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical
the person who seeks to uphold life.
Except for the gays, right?

Please quote where I have said that I wish gay people to die.

If you can't, then you're a pathetic liar. Plain and simple.

(What were you saying about 'logic' again?)

Posted by St Deird (# 7631) on :

EE, take your meds, will you? There's a good chap.

[ 22. May 2013, 23:00: Message edited by: St Deird ]

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

Nah, Deirdy dear, I think I'll pass on my meds and go with Marvin's fave drug, which is...

Let them all die, the bastards!

Isn't that the enlightened "new sanity"? Yeah, let's ditch all the old crap about tolerance and forgiveness towards people with whom we may disagree. Let's just wish that they dropped dead, like the very sensible Marvin has kindly condescended to teach us!

[brick wall]

Posted by St Deird (# 7631) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
I think I'll pass on my meds and go with Marvin's fave drug
...
Yeah, let's ditch all the old crap about tolerance and forgiveness towards people with whom we may disagree.

You seem to have overdosed on that one already.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Your comment is the most retarded remark I have read on the Ship in all the time I have been here (and that is saying something!)

Thank-you EE for being as insensitive a whackjob as Ann Coulter for posting the same way as she tweeted.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem, so get educated, and apologise EE, and do it now.

I paraphrase the link below. You wanted to belittle the comment you posted about EE by linking it to people you perceive as being stupid and dimwitted. Like the man who wrote the letter, you assume that people will understand your insult. I don't. If you would be comfortable making the remark using the word "nigger" then I guess I'd understand.

Man With Down Syndrome Writes Letter To Conservative About Her Use Of Word ‘Retard’.

quote:
A better person than EE wrote this
I'm a 30 year old man with Down syndrome who has struggled with the public's perception that an intellectual disability means I'm dumb and shallow. I am neither of those things...

[ 22. May 2013, 23:46: Message edited by: no prophet ]

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:

quote:
Originally posted by leo:
He doesn't sound like the sort of bloke I'd want to for a drink with - but i reckon anyone who commits suicide is mentally ill so I would urge a bit of sympathy rather than condemnation.
I have sympathy for nearly anyone driven to suicide. But also anger towards some. This idiot traumatised children, uninvolved tourists, people who agreed with him as well as his supposed target audience. Narcissistic bastard.

Well said. People are way too quick to diagnose mental illness from a distance these days. I blame the recently updated Bible of Voodoo, the DSM.
I empathise with leo's feeling, but I can't feel sad for this bloke. Someone mentioned the Buddhist monk who self immolated. He and the Czech who did this were members of oppressed populations who seemed to believe that a public, shocking action of that nature would force change. I'm not saying I support those actions, but I can see the rationale. This bloke in France obviously believed he belonged to a similar population of oppressed views. He didn't. His suicide will have no effect. And I don't feel sad for him. I don't feel anything - not even pity.

Posted by Net Spinster (# 16058) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
Really?! What about gay people who don't believe in gay marriage?
I hesitate to answer, not being part of the group being persecuted, so I'll just say "Uncle Tom" and leave others to make up their own minds.

I also have a suspicion that a fairly large proportion of gay people opposed to gay marriage are also opposed to straight marriage (e.g., they think any official state endorsement of couples is wrong). BTW does anyone have any actual stats on support/opposition to marriage by LGBT people?

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Net Spinster:
I also have a suspicion that a fairly large proportion of gay people opposed to gay marriage are also opposed to straight marriage (e.g., they think any official state endorsement of couples is wrong).

This has been the rhetoric I have heard, as well.

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Tortuf -

If you can't stand the heat of the kitchen...
Not to speak for Tortuf, but I imagine it's not so much the heat as the foul stench of the garbage disposal.

You have it in one brother mousethief.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

oooo, ooooo Can I be sister Evensong? And we can, like, pretend we're all part of some new monastic Christian community?

Can I, can I? I always wanted to be a nun.

jumps up and down in excitement

[ 23. May 2013, 03:38: Message edited by: Evensong ]

Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :

bien sûr ma belle dam*

______
*French for "of course lovely lady" or "I lost my sporran." Take your pick.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

Being more Scottish than French I'll have to opt for the latter. [Big Grin]

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem, so get educated, and apologise EE, and do it now.

I can't see EE apologising. He isn't the apologising type. Lacks the strength and moral courage to do that because he is hanging onto some crude doctrine that wasn't acquired through education and study but was unthinkingly accepted. He will push it unswervingly, and congratulate himself for that, from here to the Second Coming when EE will have to admit what a turd he has been (however one says that to Christ).

Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :

EtymologicalEvangelical, oh dear [Frown]

! You seem so committed to extracting your own peculiar meaning from my post, it almost seems unfair to interrupt your self-administered therapeutic incomprehension with mere common-sense.

Jesus a sociopath? Very creative on your part to imagine I said or implied this. I'm almost flattered you should go to such hilarious extremes to distort what I've written. But - symptomatic of whatever it is you're suffering from - it's all in your head, as I think deep down you know anyway.

I know very well what Jesus said about hatred. It seems,however, you have some other version of scripture which suggests something different?

And if what I've written is the most 'retarded' thing you've ever read on the Ship, it seems to me your mind must live in a very confined space indeed! I suggest you let it out a bit more; healthier diet, fresh air, sunlight. Does wonders for the perspective!

And I'm sure you'd have less occasion to wipe the froth and spittle off your computer screen, too. I imagine that can't have been pleasant.

PS: you do know what the word 'potentially' means, don't you?

Posted by Ricardus (# 8757) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Nah, Deirdy dear, I think I'll pass on my meds and go with Marvin's fave drug, which is...

Let them all die, the bastards!

Isn't that the enlightened "new sanity"? Yeah, let's ditch all the old crap about tolerance and forgiveness towards people with whom we may disagree. Let's just wish that they dropped dead, like the very sensible Marvin has kindly condescended to teach us!

What, then, is one to make of people who say things like this?

quote:
Originally posted by Matthew 18:6:
If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

(With thanks to Lyda*Rose, who has just brought this verse up on a thread on a totally different subject.)

Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Well, this has been educational. EtymologicalEvangelical can froth and foam perfectly well without Gamaliel to bounce off of.

Nah, he's just pining for Gamaliel and frothing with desire.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical
the person who seeks to uphold life.
Except for the gays, right?
Please quote where I have said that I wish gay people to die.

Anyone who wants someone else to be persecuted isn't upholding life, even if they stop short of advocating death. Deal with it.

Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Anyone who wants someone else to be persecuted isn't upholding life, even if they stop short of advocating death. Deal with it.

This is true.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by goperryrevs:
Screw screen names. It's threads like this that make me wish I had a different avatar. Oh for the days when cool cats like Orfeo shared the same icon as me. Still, I had it first, and I'm not switching...

Sorry, brother.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Nah, Deirdy dear, I think I'll pass on my meds and go with Marvin's fave drug, which is...

Let them all die, the bastards!

Isn't that the enlightened "new sanity"? Yeah, let's ditch all the old crap about tolerance and forgiveness towards people with whom we may disagree. Let's just wish that they dropped dead, like the very sensible Marvin has kindly condescended to teach us!

Look, if particularly idiotic breeders want to find ways of removing themselves from the gene pool, I'm going to find the planet more enjoyable without them.

It's a simple fact. This evening I was in a 'gay village' for the first time in a long time. It was wonderful. Not everyone was gay by any means, but there were plenty of us and it felt SAFE. It felt like a place I could be me and not have to apologise for one microsecond.

More of the world should be like that. More of the world will be like that as people who find same sex relations repulsive die off.

Posted by Dan Druff (# 17703) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
If someone wants to make this kind of idiotic gesture, I won't stop them.

That's one less person around to vote on the topic if it ever comes up again. Talk about giving a whole new meaning to 'loser'.

Idiot. Hysterical homophobic moron. Byeeeee.

He's dead. He can't hear you.

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo
It's a simple fact. This evening I was in a 'gay village' for the first time in a long time. It was wonderful. Not everyone was gay by any means, but there were plenty of us and it felt SAFE. It felt like a place I could be me and not have to apologise for one microsecond.

More of the world should be like that. More of the world will be like that as people who find same sex relations repulsive die off.

So you think that everyone who opposes gay marriage, and who perhaps has a low view of homosexuality in general, is a direct threat to gay people? Therefore, those people should die, in order to ensure the safety of gays?

Let's apply that logic to something else. There are many people in this world who find belief in God repulsive (irrespective of the relationship between that belief and homosexuality, I might add). They believe that theism (or 'religion' as they call it) is a threat to world peace, and causes no end of problems, and therefore should be eliminated.

Would you agree that I am perfectly right and entitled to say that "I wish that all such people would just fucking well die, so that I, as a Christian, can feel safe"?

As a matter of fact I don't think that. But that is the logical implication of your morally dubious way of thinking.

The kind of extremist gay agenda that has been expressed on this pathetic excuse for a discussion thread is not tolerant, but totalitarian. If there are people who are directly threatening the safety of gay people, then action should be taken against them. But merely holding a point of view about the nature of sexuality, and, in particular, marriage, is a matter of freedom of conscience, and anyone who says that such people are better off dead, is a deeply intolerant individual (and also hypocritical if he claims to espouse liberal tolerance. Liberal tolerance: what a joke! It's becoming almost an oxymoron!).

The truth is that you just cannot live with the reality that there are people in this world who hold views with which you happen to disagree. It's the worst kind of radical fundamentalism.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

EE:

quote:
So you think that everyone who opposes gay marriage, and who perhaps has a low view of homosexuality in general, is a direct threat to gay people? Therefore, those people should die, in order to ensure the safety of gays?

And where did he say that? He spoke of a moment of emotional freedom- good on him! It wasn't many years ago when that moment would happen nowhere. Many people have been changed in attitude before death, my 88 year old father for one. Come the day when orfeo's lovely moment will be happening daily.

Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:

The truth is that you just cannot live with the reality that there are people in this world who hold views with which you happen to disagree. It's the worst kind of radical fundamentalism.

You are wrong here. Homosexuality is not a view - it is a sexual orientation.

The right analogy would be "I wish there were no people who believe that heterosexuality is wrong" or "I feel really safe when everyone around me accepts my heterosexuality, and I don't have to apologise for it in any way"

In other words - to be accepted for who we are. It's not too much to ask imo. In fact it's horrendous that people in the 21st century are still made to feel this way simply because of their orientation.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo
It's a simple fact. This evening I was in a 'gay village' for the first time in a long time. It was wonderful. Not everyone was gay by any means, but there were plenty of us and it felt SAFE. It felt like a place I could be me and not have to apologise for one microsecond.

More of the world should be like that. More of the world will be like that as people who find same sex relations repulsive die off.
So you think that everyone who opposes gay marriage, and who perhaps has a low view of homosexuality in general, is a direct threat to gay people? Therefore, those people should die, in order to ensure the safety of gays?

Put it this way. There have recently been demonstrations against Gay & Lesbian rights in which Gays and Lesbians have been beaten simply because of their sexual orientation.

Show me instances of straight men and women being beaten by Gays and Lesbians because they are heterosexual.

Where's the extremism? Where's the violence and intolerance that forces straight people to create "straight villages"?

Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
If there's someone around who could possibly support EE, please do, to take some of the heat off him. He'll be complaining that he's persecuted/dogpiled/bullied next.

Okay. A little bit.

Back when I was a closeted smoker (back porch smoker more acurately, a closet would have been a fire hazard) I sat in a Sunday School class and listened to a self-righteous woman state firmly, "The only good thing about smokers is that they die young!"

It felt very much like she wished me dead.

And, like EE, I don't think everyone who is against gay marriage is a homophobe. For some people legalizing gay marriage is about the history of marriage laws which have historically been put in place to protect pregnant women and children. So it's not exactly the same as interracial marriage. These people, while being fine with gay people having weddings, making vows, living openly together, would still not wish to grant the legal definition of marriage but would prefer civil partnership. I DON'T AGREE WITH THEM but I wouldn't call them homophobes so much as ultra-conservatives who hate change.

Part of me admires anyone anywhere who is willing to die for what they think is right.

What I can't get my mind around in cases like this is why in the world he would pick this issue to die for? Not slavery, not child abuse, not poverty but something that hurts no one. ?

Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
If there's someone around who could possibly support EE, please do, to take some of the heat off him. He'll be complaining that he's persecuted/dogpiled/bullied next.
Okay. A little bit.

Back when I was a closeted smoker (back porch smoker more acurately, a closet would have been a fire hazard) I sat in a Sunday School class and listened to a self-righteous woman state firmly, "The only good thing about smokers is that they die young!"

It felt very much like she wished me dead.

Don't you think there is a difference between someone despising others for a habit that (albeit with great difficulty) can be kicked, and despising others for what they humanly and harmlessly are in themselves?

If you'd wished to you could've responded to the woman's ignorant comment by stop being a smoker - a choice. Very few, if any, gay people can just 'stop being' gay.

Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :

You entirely missed the point Anselmina.
EE and I are talking about the ugliness of wishing people dead. Whether they're wished dead for their habits or for their views on gay marriage hardly matters.

That's even assuming you had a clue about the intensity of nicotine addiction or whether or not you noticed that no one in this discussion was wished dead for being gay.

Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
You entirely missed the point Anselmina.
EE and I are talking about the ugliness of wishing people dead. Whether they're wished dead for their habits or for their views on gay marriage hardly matters.

That's even assuming you had a clue about the intensity of nicotine addiction or whether or not you noticed that no one in this discussion was wished dead for being gay.

You are missing the point.

"Wishing they are dead" is simply hyperbole for wishing they were not around because they make life so very uncomfortable and unlivable. See orfeo's post about his time in the gay village.

[ 30. May 2013, 14:17: Message edited by: Boogie ]

Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :

quote:
Originally posted by St Deird:
EE, take your meds, will you? There's a good chap.

While I'm feeling irritable:

I get so tired of this. For starters it must be the most overused insult on the internet, yet the writer always seems to think it's original and clever.

On a board where, "loser," of all things, is considered offensive and comparing someone to the learning disabled with the "r" word is a Hell-call offense, why does this remain okay?

You do realize don't you that it's insulting to anyone who suffers from a mental illness? You weren't talking about people with high cholesterol when you refer to "taking your meds" were you? You're implying, as a joke, that EE has a mental illness for which he neglected to take his medication therefore his posts are, I don't know, wrong? disconnected from reality? autistic in nature? what?. Why can't you just disagree with him? Why not call him stupid or a loser why insult an entire group of ill people by comparing him to them?

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo
It's a simple fact. This evening I was in a 'gay village' for the first time in a long time. It was wonderful. Not everyone was gay by any means, but there were plenty of us and it felt SAFE. It felt like a place I could be me and not have to apologise for one microsecond.

More of the world should be like that. More of the world will be like that as people who find same sex relations repulsive die off.
So you think that everyone who opposes gay marriage, and who perhaps has a low view of homosexuality in general, is a direct threat to gay people? Therefore, those people should die, in order to ensure the safety of gays?

Let's apply that logic to something else. There are many people in this world who find belief in God repulsive (irrespective of the relationship between that belief and homosexuality, I might add). They believe that theism (or 'religion' as they call it) is a threat to world peace, and causes no end of problems, and therefore should be eliminated.

Would you agree that I am perfectly right and entitled to say that "I wish that all such people would just fucking well die, so that I, as a Christian, can feel safe"?

As a matter of fact I don't think that. But that is the logical implication of your morally dubious way of thinking.

The kind of extremist gay agenda that has been expressed on this pathetic excuse for a discussion thread is not tolerant, but totalitarian. If there are people who are directly threatening the safety of gay people, then action should be taken against them. But merely holding a point of view about the nature of sexuality, and, in particular, marriage, is a matter of freedom of conscience, and anyone who says that such people are better off dead, is a deeply intolerant individual (and also hypocritical if he claims to espouse liberal tolerance. Liberal tolerance: what a joke! It's becoming almost an oxymoron!).

The truth is that you just cannot live with the reality that there are people in this world who hold views with which you happen to disagree. It's the worst kind of radical fundamentalism.

I can live with it. I live with it every fucking day. What you're not grasping is how damn tiring living with it can be.

I'm sure there are parts of the world where Christians live with a constant sense of background antagonism. I doubt you're in one of them, but I'm quite sure such Christians long for the relief of not being in the presence of that background antagonism.

I'm a gay Christian. If I want a sense of background antagonism I just have to walk into a church, the default mental position being that people will have a problem with me. I have to go somewhere that explicitly states they don't have a problem with me in order not to feel a sense of discomfort.

Posted by Sine Nomine (# 66) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
"Wishing they are dead" is simply hyperbole for wishing they were not around because they make life so very uncomfortable and unlivable.

Whenever someone says "simply" I always suspect some verbal sleight of hand. I suppose my immediate response is "Says who?".

Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sine Nomine:

quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
"Wishing they are dead" is simply hyperbole for wishing they were not around because they make life so very uncomfortable and unlivable.
Whenever someone says "simply" I always suspect some verbal sleight of hand. I suppose my immediate response is "Says who?".

Fair enough - I should have said "I would say 'Wishing they are dead' is hyperbole for wishing they were not around because they make life so very uncomfortable and unlivable."

[ 30. May 2013, 16:13: Message edited by: Boogie ]

Posted by daronmedway (# 3012) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I guess he just couldn't face life in a world where he wasn't allowed to marginalise and persecute gays any more.

If only a few other homophobes had the same courage in their convictions. The world could be made a better (albeit briefly messier) place in no time.

Why wait? Let's help the bigots make the right decision. And if they won't, we should make it for them. After all, it's for the greater good.

Posted by comet (# 10353) on :

Twilight, remember your meds, sunshine.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by comet:
Twilight, remember your meds, sunshine.

We've all got to do that [Frown]

I doubt more than 10% of Shipmates aren't on something or other, long-term.

Posted by Organ Builder (# 12478) on :

If they aren't now, they will be as they get older. The only way to avoid it seems to be to drop dead unexpectedly at a very young age.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I doubt more than 10% of Shipmates aren't on something or other, long-term.

I have been since I was about seven. But that's for my lungs, not my brain.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:

quote:
Originally posted by comet:
Twilight, remember your meds, sunshine.
We've all got to do that

I doubt more than 10% of Shipmates aren't on something or other, long-term.

Is that a double negative?

It's doing my head in.

I think I need to take something.

Or perhaps I'll just go have another fag.

Evensong: smoking happily since age 16

[ 31. May 2013, 10:07: Message edited by: Evensong ]

Posted by Soror Magna (# 9881) on :

Since 90% of Shipmates are on something, "take your meds" is obviously peer support, not insult.

Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :

You think? If the remark is meant to encompass all medication from Tylenol to Coumadin why is the phrase only used after someone has said something angry or confused?

EE said something that sounded angry and was advised to take his medication. How would taking his cholesterol medication have been a help after he was falsely accused of wishing gay people were dead because he was reluctant to dance on the grave of an old, suicidal man?

If there's a medication to relieve the frustration of being willfully misrepresented on the internet in order to advance another person's weak argument, I want in on the patent.

Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :

Oh and from the Urban dictionary

quote:
meds

Medications. Commonly used both on- and offline to refer to prescription drugs, generally of the psychotropic variety.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
Since 90% of Shipmates are on something, "take your meds" is obviously peer support, not insult.

Or "been there, forgot to do that." [Big Grin]

Posted by Sine Nomine (# 66) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
Oh and from the Urban dictionary

quote:
meds

Medications. Commonly used both on- and offline to refer to prescription drugs, generally of the psychotropic variety.

I had assumed, based on typical posting, that 'of the psychotropic variety' did indeed apply to 90% of shipmates. Or perhaps more accurately, that 90% should be.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

Come on now! If they took their meds, this place would not be near as interesting.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:

Or perhaps I'll just go have another fag.

Evensong: smoking happily since age 16

See, you simply need to change what you're smoking.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Come on now! If they took their meds, this place would not be near as interesting.

Plus my doctor told me I was allowed to stop.

Posted by DouglasTheOtter (# 17681) on :

This seems like one of those times we really do need to hold onto the idea that 'there is good in everyone.'

For the record, I support gay marriage and homophobia either depresses or enrages me, depending on what mood I'm in. For the most part, like a TV programme you don't like or someone shouting expletives in the street, it's better just to walk on by. That said and got out of the way with, shooting yourself in a cathedral is a very, very extreme action and leads me to a few conclusions.

Firstly, we're not sure about his mental health. To put a gun to your head and pull the trigger is an extreme action and you'd only ever contemplate that if you were under extreme duress. I'm far from thinking that gay marriage is extreme duress, so there must have been something else at work. Secondly, the person who shot himself once had people that loved him, laughed, cried and did all the other many and myriad things that make us human. His death isn't cause for rejoicing, it's hugely and unremittingly sad.

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