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Posted by deano (# 12063) on
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He's two sets up! Okay I hate tennis but I hate Murray more.
He is an anti-English wanker and I'd rather have somebody from a no-name-muddy-field-istan like whoever-he's-playing-ovich than an anti-English Scotch twat like him win!!!
Come on God, give the hammer-power of "Longshanks" to whoever he's playing!!!!
[ 07. July 2013, 15:36: Message edited by: deano ]
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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Has he come out with this this 'Anyone But England' claptrap recently or can we try to put it down to youthful folly?
Posted by Jade Constable (# 17175) on
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I don't hate Murray but I do hate patriotism. Wanting somebody to win something because they happen to be from the same country as you just mystifies me.
Posted by leo (# 1458) on
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Give the guy a break - I hope he wins and am returning to the telly shortly.
Posted by leo (# 1458) on
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So he wanted anyone but England to win the World cup.
So he once sexistly said some blokes 'played like women'.
He's young.
He's also a good player who deserves to win like he did at last year's Olympics.
Posted by The Midge (# 2398) on
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We will let home be English if he wins Wimbledon.
Posted by deano (# 12063) on
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quote:
Originally posted by The Midge:
We will let home be English if he wins Wimbledon.
No we fucking wont!!!
Posted by The Midge (# 2398) on
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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
quote:
Originally posted by The Midge:
We will let home be English if he wins Wimbledon.
No we fucking wont!!!
Why not? It's the worse fate that could befall a true Scott!
Posted by QLib (# 43) on
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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I'd rather have somebody from a no-name-muddy-field-istan like whoever-he's-playing-ovich than an anti-English Scotch twat like him win!!
I love that 'anyone but England' attitude. The tensions are part of what makes Britain British. And he just won, so fuck you, deano, you ignorant racist twat.
Posted by deano (# 12063) on
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NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
FUCKING SCOTCH WANKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by The Midge (# 2398) on
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On Scottish independence we will be moaning that it 80+ years since an English man won a grand slam.
Posted by Jade Constable (# 17175) on
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Deano, people are Scottish not Scotch.
What's wrong with Scotland anyway?
Posted by deano (# 12063) on
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It's not anyone but England. It's anyone but someone who hates England!
You fuckface ignorant cunt.
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Deano, people are Scottish not Scotch.
I think Robert Burns might disagree?
Posted by South Coast Kevin (# 16130) on
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Originally posted by deano:
It's not anyone but England. It's anyone but someone who hates England!
Is this entirely based on Murray's comment about cheering on England's opponents in the football? There's a fair argument that he was just making a joke; has Murray given any other indications that he hates England?
And Murray won - put that up your pipe and smoke it!
Posted by QLib (# 43) on
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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
It's not anyone but England. It's anyone but someone who hates England!
Yes, you made what you think perfectly clear. Well, I say 'think' ...
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on
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In your cups again, are you deanny-weenie?
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on
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quote:
Originally posted by The Midge:
We will let home be English if he wins Wimbledon.
Sod off. First you steal our oil, now you want our tennis champion. Get yer ain ye numpties.
Posted by Jade Constable (# 17175) on
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Deano, people are Scottish not Scotch.
I think Robert Burns might disagree?
Robert Burns is kind of dead and not here to disagree. Scotch WAS the usual term before the English turned it into an insult (in Tudor times, you were fined for calling another man 'Scotch').
Posted by deano (# 12063) on
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SCOTCH anti-English cunt.
Enjoy your little win. We'll take your oil.
Wanker.
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
quote:
Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Deano, people are Scottish not Scotch.
I think Robert Burns might disagree?
Robert Burns is kind of dead and not here to disagree. Scotch WAS the usual term before the English turned it into an insult (in Tudor times, you were fined for calling another man 'Scotch').
I've just checked the second and third editions of Fowler's Modern English Usage and neither criticise its use.
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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Originally posted by deano:
SCOTCH anti-English cunt.
Enjoy your little win. We'll take your oil.
Wanker.
You might want to add a little more lemonade to your Pimm's, Deano.
Posted by QLib (# 43) on
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Pathetic.
Posted by alienfromzog (# 5327) on
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I've never, ever said this before.
And I truly thought I never would, but hey, Deano you are officially the second most ridiculous person in Britain* and it's your fault:
LAMEST HELL-CALL EVER
Ever, ever.
Ever.
AFZ
*The Rt Hon David Cameron MP
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on
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Tim Henman explains.
Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Jade Constable:
I don't hate Murray but I do hate patriotism. Wanting somebody to win something because they happen to be from the same country as you just mystifies me.
We'll let the oddity of hating patriotism (as opposed to merely not feeling it, and to hating nationalism), pass, but you've nothing to worry about here, have you? You're English: he's a Scot.
Never cared for him much myself but I have found myself warming to him lately, and not because I have any interest at all in tennis or because it was starting to look like he might win Wimbledon. He's graceless and charmless but he is a battler and in those respects (as well as being actually good at top flight tennis) he's so utterly not Tim Henman that it's rather appealing.
Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on
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Originally posted by Firenze:
quote:
Originally posted by The Midge:
We will let home be English if he wins Wimbledon.
Sod off. First you steal our oil, now you want our tennis champion. Get yer ain ye numpties.
You deserve your champion- 'Caledonia stern and wild...' and all that: all we could ever produce was that weedy little mummy's boy Henman.
You can have your oil.
But you can have your banks and Michael Gove, too.
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on
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Well, according to deano it was only a 'little' win - so what's he getting his damp little knickers in a twist for?
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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Originally posted by deano:
quote:
Originally posted by The Midge:
We will let home be English if he wins Wimbledon.
No we fucking wont!!!
Who is this "we" you mention? Speak for yourself.
My only regret is that Djokovic isn't Australian. Now that would have been sweet.
Posted by balaam (# 4543) on
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Originally posted by Albertus:
he's so utterly not Tim Henman that it's rather appealing.
You are so right. Not being Henman is a great reason for liking someone.
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
I've never, ever said this before.
And I truly thought I never would, but hey, Deano you are officially the second most ridiculous person in Britain* and it's your fault:
LAMEST HELL-CALL EVER
Ever, ever.
Ever.
AFZ
*The Rt Hon David Cameron MP
How can CallmeDave be regarded as more ridiculous that Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and George Osborne? Or all the judges of any "talent" show? The cast of Top Gear?
Maybe deano is the second most boring person in Britain.
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on
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Sorry, deano, can't be bothered to read you thoroughly, but did you say you wanted to be power-hammered by someone's long shank?
At least Murray did you metaphorically, good luck on your search for literally.
Posted by leo (# 1458) on
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What an exciting final.
And ENGLISHman David Cameron was cheering for Murray.
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on
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Originally posted by Albertus:
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But you can have Michael Gove, too.
There's a wry reflection doing the rounds here - "We used to boast that an Aberdeen education would equip you for anything, but now we know that's not true. It doesn't equip you to be Secretary for State for Education." ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
Please, feel free to keep Michael Gove.
Posted by Yonatan (# 11091) on
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As Murray pointed out when challenged about his comment. He was joking and he had an English Girlfriend at the time. Let he who is without wankerish comments in his life cast the first stone.
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on
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Originally posted by leo:
And ENGLISHman David Cameron was cheering for Murray.
Doubtless hoping some of the magic will rub off on him.
Though I notice he didn't bring a large flag. Unlike Alex Salmond who was sitting just behind him (and with pretty much the same ambition).
Posted by Yonatan (# 11091) on
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by leo:
And ENGLISHman David Cameron was cheering for Murray.
Doubtless hoping some of the magic will rub off on him.
Though I notice he didn't bring a large flag. Unlike Alex Salmond who was sitting just behind him (and with pretty much the same ambition).
There was a St Andrew's Cross flying over No.10 though. Thought for a moment Gordon Brown was in power again!
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on
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Originally posted by Yonatan:
Let he who is without wankerish comments in his life cast the first stone.
Hold on a moment! It is for the Hosts to decide that deano is no longer allowed to post.
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on
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Deano declares that he thinks it's Scotland's oil:
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We'll take your oil.
Thank-you, deano. The S.N.P. concur with you on that one.
Posted by shamwari (# 15556) on
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This is supposed to be Hell.
Murray deserved to win. And he fully deserves every accolade.
Now the hellish bit.
Has Novak ever played so badly? Pushing instead of hitting. Patting balls into the net or looping them long. Over 50 unforced errors. Thhe World No 1 playing like the world 253.
Question therefore: was this a monetary fix?
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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Originally posted by shamwari:
This is supposed to be Hell.
Murray deserved to win. And he fully deserves every accolade.
Now the hellish bit.
Has Novak ever played so badly? Pushing instead of hitting. Patting balls into the net or looping them long. Over 50 unforced errors. Thhe World No 1 playing like the world 253.
Question therefore: was this a monetary fix?
What utter bollocks. Did you see the match?
It might have been three sets but they were all tough. Murray earned those points, even the ones Djokovic put into the net. Even two sets down Djokovic came back to lead 4-2, and he fought back from 40-0 down in the last game.
You're talking drivel, and not for the first time.
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on
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According to Wikipaedia, Djokovic's lifetime earnings have been over $50 million. So it's hard to imagine what sort of a bribe would be needed to persuade him to throw the game.
Posted by shamwari (# 15556) on
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I watched every ball
And the bloke who beat Del Potro in 5 never showed up today.
Posted by Yonatan (# 11091) on
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Originally posted by shamwari:
I watched every ball
And the bloke who beat Del Potro in 5 never showed up today.
And? Different day, different opponent who was playing some superb tennis. D doesn't need the money. If you are a competitor, it is the winning which is everything. Grand Slam titles bestow a kind of immortality, a mark on history which in this internet age is unlikely to be lost. No bribe could get you that. Plus there's the risk of exposure which would ruin both you and your reputation - agsin, for ever.
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on
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North East Quine: quote:
Please, feel free to keep Michael Gove.
No, he's all yours. Really. You can come and get him any time you like. Sooner than that, if possible.
What you do with him when you get him north of the border is your affair; I see you already have an Education Minister... perhaps he could make the First Minister's tea.
[ 07. July 2013, 18:34: Message edited by: Jane R ]
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on
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Would you trust Michael Gove with boiling water?
Posted by Yonatan (# 11091) on
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Originally posted by shamwari:
I watched every ball
And the bloke who beat Del Potro in 5 never showed up today.
And? Different day, different opponent who was playing some superb tennis. D doesn't need the money. If you are a competitor, it is the winning which is everything. Grand Slam titles bestow a kind of immortality, a mark on history which in this internet age is unlikely to be lost. No bribe could get you that. Plus there's the risk of exposure which would ruin both you and your reputation - agsin, for ever.
Posted by deano (# 12063) on
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The only way this could be useful is if Kate has a baby BOY, there is a little more good news on the economy and DC calls a general election on the "feel-good" factor, wins by a landsalide, votes through the boundary changes and sticks two fingers up to the SCOTCH and tells them that if the fuck off then he will veto them joining the EU unless they adopt the euro!
I hate the scotch, they hate us. But Britain is 3 celtic countries run by one better country in order to ensure the 3 celtic countries are not royally fucked over by England like they have been for the last few millenia, and they want to throw it away the ungrateful wankers.
They've never been any use unless sucking at Englands tit, so fuck them, fuck Murray, fuck every jock everywhere. If they want independance, all it means is that we don't have to worry about shafting them.
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
North East Quine: quote:
Please, feel free to keep Michael Gove.
No, he's all yours. Really. You can come and get him any time you like. Sooner than that, if possible.
What you do with him when you get him north of the border is your affair; I see you already have an Education Minister... perhaps he could make the First Minister's tea.
You're too kind. But I think the First Minister is perfectly capable of making his own tea.
And the Forth Road bridge is now painted in special everlasting paint, so we can't put him to work painting that.
If we think of a use for him, we'll let you know. But in the meantime, you can keep him.
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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Originally posted by deano:
I hate the scotch, they hate us.
But many don't though, do they? There is a very vocal body of chippy twits who get off on this 'ABE' sort of thing but, as irritating as they are (and they do irritate me immensely) it doesn't necessarily follow that they are representative as a whole does it? I mean, Len McCluskey and Christine Blower are chippy twits who get off on spouting asinine nonsense, but they're not representative of working people, are they? (Or even of trades union members, some of whom vote Tory and most of whom don't vote Labour.)
Do you ever feel that you're letting a tiny bunch of fuckwits win when you, essentially, give them what they want?
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on
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I don't know anybody who "hates the English."
Originally posted by deano:
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fuck every jock everywhere.
It does sound as though deano has some sort of sexual fantasy about men in kilts going on though.
Posted by Yam-pk (# 12791) on
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My my, a bit of silly banter by a 19 year-old and that's enough to tar a person and a whole nation for ever. Personally, being English, I've got more contempt for the loony middle-class thatcherite nutters running the country, than a Scotsman who's just made sporting history
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on
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Originally posted by deano:
I hate the scotch
More of a meths and lighter fuel man?
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on
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deano: quote:
I hate the scotch...
Really? There are a fair number of Scottish people on the Ship, and I find them companionable. You hate them all?
Just wow.
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on
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quote:
Originally posted by shamwari:
Question therefore: was this a monetary fix?
I do wonder if here is anything - ANYTHING - up to and including the outbreak of world peace, universal brotherhood, conquest of all diseases, wiping away of tears from every eye - which would not provoke a cavil from your mean, miserable, petty, sour, narrow little soul.
Posted by Jane R (# 331) on
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On the subject of Michael Gove, North-East Quine said: quote:
If we think of a use for him, we'll let you know. But in the meantime, you can keep him.
![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
Deano is right - you DO hate us!!
I propose sending him to be the Governor of Rockall.
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
Would you trust Michael Gove with boiling water?
Yes. Not sure about his critics though. They'd probably serve up tepid water and then claim 'that the maximum temperature the system can boil water to and there's nothing I can do to change it'.
Posted by shamwari (# 15556) on
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Firenze: I have never posted anything without a viscious and demeaning response from you.
So I expected nothing less this time rounnd.
Par for the course. But can anybody account for the Novak who appeared today compared to the Novak who came through the tournament thus far.
Apart from saying he had a bad day at the office. At its most charitable.
[ 07. July 2013, 20:53: Message edited by: shamwari ]
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on
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Originally posted by deano:
I hate the scotch,
Something we can agree on, though my da would glare daggers and call me disloyal, I hate the scotch too! Much prefer the rum or the bourbon.
Now that the match is over, can you go back to your EDL rally and give us a rest?
Posted by Rosa Winkel (# 11424) on
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deano, you're a pathetic, little* man.
Murray has already achieved more than you ever will do.
* Your mind, I mean.
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
I've never, ever said this before.
And I truly thought I never would, but hey, Deano you are officially the second most ridiculous person in Britain* and it's your fault:
LAMEST HELL-CALL EVER
Ever, ever.
Ever.
AFZ
*The Rt Hon David Cameron MP
That's third. After that other Tory tosspot Gideon Osbourne. But apart from that, I agree with you. Deano, drink some water and go to bed. Your head's going to hurt bad in the morning
Tubbs
PS. Bloody well done Andy!!! ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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For reference, people, the Chancellor of the Exchequer is Mr Osborne (he might be 'U', but there's no 'u').
(Sorry, Tubbs, but this is one of my bugbears.)
Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on
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quote:
Originally posted by leo:
What an exciting final.
And ENGLISHman David Cameron was cheering for Murray.
Ahem: "I'm a Cameron, there is quite a lot of Scottish blood flowing through these veins" (BBC Sunday AM, 25/6/2006).
Another one they can have back.
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on
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Cameron's great grandparents lived in Aberdeenshire, but he keeps quiet about them. Enquiring minds have wondered why.
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on
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quote:
Originally posted by shamwari:
Firenze: I have never posted anything without a viscious and demeaning response from you.
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At least spell it right - 'vicious'.
And I will continue to call you on your negative, ill-informed and in this case defamatory views.
Come up with some backing for them other than your uniquely miserabilist and suspicious nature.
Posted by comet (# 10353) on
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...
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...is this about tennis?!?
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on
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No, no, no, silly comet, it is about a preferred alcoholic beverage.
Or else a racist, Daily Heil mouth breather with a phenomenal lack of comprehension.
Either way.
Posted by Mad Cat (# 9104) on
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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
The only way this could be useful is if Kate has a baby BOY, there is a little more good news on the economy and DC calls a general election on the "feel-good" factor, wins by a landsalide, votes through the boundary changes and sticks two fingers up to the SCOTCH and tells them that if the fuck off then he will veto them joining the EU unless they adopt the euro!
I hate the scotch, they hate us. But Britain is 3 celtic countries run by one better country in order to ensure the 3 celtic countries are not royally fucked over by England like they have been for the last few millenia, and they want to throw it away the ungrateful wankers.
They've never been any use unless sucking at Englands tit, so fuck them, fuck Murray, fuck every jock everywhere. If they want independance, all it means is that we don't have to worry about shafting them.
Can I just say I'm in awe of this post. In actual awe.
It's not the racism. As with all racists, Deano hates something that doesn't exist, a dragon of his own imagination. He also conveniently overlooks all the celtic bits of Englandshire.
It's this use of poor Princess Kate and her reproductive organ. And also, a BOY?? Does a girl baby just not cut it? You now we don't do that whole dowry thing here??
Anyway Deano, console yourself. If you're a real Englishman, you're probably mostly French. And German. And Dane. And Celt.
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on
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lilBuddha: No, no, no, silly comet, it is about a preferred alcoholic beverage.
Or else a racist, Daily Heil mouth breather with a phenomenal lack of comprehension.
Either way.
I think I'll have a Scotch right now. I know next to nothing about tennis, but here's to you Andy.
Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on
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It's almost worth trotting out my long-deceased Scottish grandfather Duncan Moodie, player of bagpipes and life-long utterer of incomprehensible-to-me Scots brogue, to provoke deano's faintly amusing if bibulous ire.
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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quote:
Originally posted by shamwari:
Firenze: I have never posted anything without a viscious and demeaning response from you.
So I expected nothing less this time rounnd.
Par for the course. But can anybody account for the Novak who appeared today compared to the Novak who came through the tournament thus far.
Apart from saying he had a bad day at the office. At its most charitable.
I can only suggest his opponent was better than del Potro, and the others Djokovic had played up to that point. But I don't expect you to agree with me so you're welcome to your hare-brained notion.
Posted by PataLeBon (# 5452) on
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So the #2 player in the tennis world beats the #1 player, and the world comes to an end?
Seriously. As I've often heard preached to me, any team can beat another team on a given day and time. (Well, assuming that they play in the same league and at the same level.) It's also known as shit happens.
Andy is the #2 player in the world, and has been for awhile. If he couldn't beat the #1 player given the right day, then he shouldn't have ever been ranked that high.
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on
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quote:
Originally posted by PataLeBon:
So the #2 player in the tennis world beats the #1 player, and the world comes to an end?
Seriously. As I've often heard preached to me, any team can beat another team on a given day and time. (Well, assuming that they play in the same league and at the same level.) It's also known as shit happens.
Andy is the #2 player in the world, and has been for awhile. If he couldn't beat the #1 player given the right day, then he shouldn't have ever been ranked that high.
But..but...he's "scotch". The same rules don't apply. ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by shamwari:
Firenze: I have never posted anything without a viscious and demeaning response from you.
So I expected nothing less this time rounnd.
Par for the course. But can anybody account for the Novak who appeared today compared to the Novak who came through the tournament thus far.
Apart from saying he had a bad day at the office. At its most charitable.
I can only suggest his opponent was better than del Potro, and the others Djokovic had played up to that point. But I don't expect you to agree with me so you're welcome to your hare-brained notion.
He certainly was not better than Delpo. That was an extraordinary match. The final was great, but nowhere near as good.
Perhaps Djoka wasn't as good as he had been in the previous round, but this takes nothing away from Muz, who played superbly and deserved his win.
Have the rest of you considered that perhaps if we all ignore deano at once, he/she may just fuck off and die?
Posted by the giant cheeseburger (# 10942) on
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I agree. Djokovic had a very bad day, and unfortunately for him it coincided with it Murray having a good day. It's not like Murray didn't deserve it because of that, because Djokovic on a bad day is still a fair challenge.
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
quote:
Originally posted by shamwari:
Question therefore: was this a monetary fix?
I do wonder if here is anything - ANYTHING - up to and including the outbreak of world peace, universal brotherhood, conquest of all diseases, wiping away of tears from every eye - which would not provoke a cavil from your mean, miserable, petty, sour, narrow little soul.
Quotes file.
Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on
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quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
Cameron's great grandparents lived in Aberdeenshire, but he keeps quiet about them. Enquiring minds have wondered why.
I bet his Aberdeenshire relations keep quieter about him than he does about them.
[ 08. July 2013, 05:08: Message edited by: Albertus ]
Posted by Huia (# 3473) on
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So Deano, I guess you're not one of those calling for Andy Murray to be knighted ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
Huia
Posted by Cod (# 2643) on
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Deano, you sound like a Scottish Nationalist at 2 in the morning, on Red Bull and Twitter.
Now that Scotland is good at tennis, here is some nostalgia.
Posted by chive (# 208) on
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As a Scottish person I find it quite pleasing that deano hates me. It means that I have no guilt about thinking of him as a third rate thinker, brainless shiteheid.
Posted by QLib (# 43) on
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Third?
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on
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I took a careful look at that blancmange - it was deano all along.
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on
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Originally posted by Cod:
[...] Now that Scotland is good at tennis, here is some nostalgia.
Always excellent to watch, from episode 6! Good find!
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on
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I didn't watch the match, I have no interest in tennis. I went for a walk in the sunshine - plenty of others were doing the same.
I'm sure he deserved to win and to enjoy the moment and accolades.
But the media hype today is driving me maaaad! I've switched the radio off in favour of CDs - which is very rare for me.
![[Snore]](graemlins/snore.gif)
Posted by Liopleurodon (# 4836) on
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Meh. Don't give a shit about tennis, or nationalism, wasn't watching, am English but don't hate the Scots - I identify as British rather than English anyway. And for all that, I'm quite pleased he won, simply because so many people in Britain wanted it so badly and it made them all happy and I like having happy people about.
But anyone who can go around screaming that they hate all Scots because one Scot is "racist" enough to have once expressed an anti-English opinion (which didn't even amount to hate anyway) is either trolling or too stupid to see the irony there. Or possibly both.
ETA: I kinda understand the "Anyone but England" attitude with regard to football. The English are so fucking insufferable about football that I often feel the same way. We're still drivelling on about 1966 and every time the world cup comes around I'm always relieved when we're knocked out because there's less drunkenness and shouting, people show up for work, the newspapers bother to cover other stories and everyone shuts up about how this year is going to be our year. I don't hate England, the English or indeed my own Englishness, but I do hate the relationship between England and football.
[ 08. July 2013, 09:38: Message edited by: Liopleurodon ]
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on
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I'm English and I find the Scottish idea of supporting anyone but the English at football as very funny. Just the same way as I find it very funny that large numbers of people in rural Buckinghamshire pretend that Milton Keynes doesn't exist. Why it stresses people out, I really don't understand.
But then I do have a son who lives in Scotland - and has to police the buggers.
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on
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A lot of Scots were cheering on Scotland in the 2006 World Cup.
Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on
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Tennis is for wimps and small minds.
Bring on The Ashes!
Posted by the giant cheeseburger (# 10942) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Liopleurodon:
ETA: I kinda understand the "Anyone but England" attitude ...
I think it's kind of understandable because the English invented the "anyone but XYZ" attitude, where XYZ is any nation that has had a considerable amount of success against them in the past.
Posted by Evangeline (# 7002) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
My only regret is that Djokovic isn't Australian. Now that would have been sweet. [/QB]
Indeed Cheesy, one sees a perfect example here ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
For reference, people, the Chancellor of the Exchequer is Mr Osborne (he might be 'U', but there's no 'u').
(Sorry, Tubbs, but this is one of my bugbears.)
No worries. I noticed you weren't quarrelling with me about the order of shame though
Tubbs
PS MORNING DEANO! HOW'S YOUR HEAD?! ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on
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quote:
Originally posted by shamwari:
I watched every ball
And the bloke who beat Del Potro in 5 never showed up today.
Whilst I expected the terminally mean-spirited to say that Murray's win didn't really count because Nadal and Federar went home early, I never expected that someone would think that Murray only won because Djokovic threw the match.
Wow. I bet you're always first on the invite list for celebrations and good times ... ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Tubbs
[ 08. July 2013, 11:01: Message edited by: Tubbs ]
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
For reference, people, the Chancellor of the Exchequer is Mr Osborne (he might be 'U', but there's no 'u').
(Sorry, Tubbs, but this is one of my bugbears.)
No worries. I noticed you weren't quarrelling with me about the order of shame though
Tubbs
I was wary about disrupting the anti-Tory circle jerk in case I got something on my clothes.
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
For reference, people, the Chancellor of the Exchequer is Mr Osborne (he might be 'U', but there's no 'u').
(Sorry, Tubbs, but this is one of my bugbears.)
No worries. I noticed you weren't quarrelling with me about the order of shame though
Tubbs
I was wary about disrupting the anti-Tory circle jerk in case I got something on my clothes.
I think your problem is that being anti-Tory is particularly easy (like it's ever very hard) when Deano is involved.
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
I was wary about disrupting the anti-Tory circle jerk in case I got something on my clothes.
I think your problem is that being anti-Tory is particularly easy (like it's ever very hard) when Deano is involved.
That is particularly unfair on the Tories (not, I hasten to add, that I particularly like most Tory policy).
deano may think of himself as a Tory. But, in reality he's an arsewipe. All the crap that the Tory's produce distilled into one little package of bigotry, hate, idiocy, ignorance and simple shite. Something that deserves nothing more than to be flushed down the toilet where it can rot with the rest of the filth.
Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Liopleurodon:
But anyone who can go around screaming that they hate all Scots because one Scot is "racist" enough to have once expressed an anti-English opinion (which didn't even amount to hate anyway) is either trolling or too stupid to see the irony there. Or possibly both.
Of course they are. It's deano, innit?
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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Deano isn't like any Tory I've ever met (even drunk ones).
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
Deano isn't like any Tory I've ever met (even drunk ones).
He's not unlike the ones I went to school with who are the main reason I'd never, ever, like short of gunpoint, vote for them.
Their actions in office have not disabused me of my instincts about them, I'm afraid. Somehow they appear to be managing to shaft exactly the same people that they all despised when I knew them as a lad. Which puts 'em pretty much in the category Alan defined for Deano. Deano's a caricature, to be sure, but like all caricatures he's based on a exaggeration of real features.
Posted by leo (# 1458) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Tennis is for wimps and small minds.
Now that really is rude!
Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on
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FFS leo. Let's not turn our attention from one troll in order to focus on another. ![[brick wall]](graemlins/brick_wall.gif)
Posted by leo (# 1458) on
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Originally posted by Albertus:
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Originally posted by leo:
What an exciting final.
And ENGLISHman David Cameron was cheering for Murray.
Ahem: "I'm a Cameron, there is quite a lot of Scottish blood flowing through these veins" (BBC Sunday AM, 25/6/2006).
Another one they can have back.
If there were no Scots in the British parliament, we would be permanently condemned to a Tory government. we need the Shortish labour votes to get a majority.
Scottish independence terrifies me.
Think I would want to move to Scotland if they'd have me. They are far more enlightened up there.
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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quote:
Originally posted by leo:
If there were no Scots in the British parliament, we would be permanently condemned to a Tory government. we need the Shortish labour votes to get a majority.
Given that most Tories are staunch Unionists, it's strange how people say this and then in the next breath claim that Tories are motivated solely by greed and self-interest.
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
quote:
Originally posted by leo:
If there were no Scots in the British parliament, we would be permanently condemned to a Tory government. we need the Shortish labour votes to get a majority.
Given that most Tories are staunch Unionists, it's strange how people say this and then in the next breath claim that Tories are motivated solely by greed and self-interest.
Bloodymindedness and haughty disregard for those they regard as "unworthy" as well, IME. The former probably explains the Unionism.
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
quote:
Originally posted by leo:
If there were no Scots in the British parliament, we would be permanently condemned to a Tory government. we need the Shortish labour votes to get a majority.
Given that most Tories are staunch Unionists, it's strange how people say this and then in the next breath claim that Tories are motivated solely by greed and self-interest.
Depends on which Union though, doesn't it? If we're talking about a Union of the once independent nations of England, Wales and Scotland (and, Northern Ireland which has a much more complex history and the Conservatives don't stand for election anyway) then the Tories get out their flags and wave them triumphantly. If we're talking about a Union with other nations in Europe ... well, then the flags disappear and the cheers turn to boos.
Nothing, I'm sure, with the fact that in a United Kingdom of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland the Conservative Party has a very strong chance of governing, and even when they narrowly miss the mark are a very strong opposition, and hence wield considerable power and influence over the regions of the Union who predominantly vote for other parties. But, in a Union with other European nations they'd be playing second fiddle in uneasy political alliances with nations who are not going to stand being bossed around by English Tories.
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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I can't see how one could possibly begin to compare the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the European Union.
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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Also, I think the Conservatives have been the only party that has stood for election in all four parts of the Kingdom (though in Northern Ireland they have been in an electoral alliance with the Ulster Unionists since c. 2009 - 10, I think).
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Tennis is for wimps and small minds.
The irony is choking.
Posted by Ceannaideach (# 12007) on
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Originally posted by deano:
The only way this could be useful is if Kate has a baby BOY,
As a woman, fuck you, you sexist twat.
quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I hate the scotch, they hate us. But Britain is 3 celtic countries run by one better country in order to ensure the 3 celtic countries are not royally fucked over by England like they have been for the last few millenia, and they want to throw it away the ungrateful wankers.
They've never been any use unless sucking at Englands tit, so fuck them, fuck Murray, fuck every jock everywhere. If they want independance, all it means is that we don't have to worry about shafting them.
As someone descended in equal parts from England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales: Fuck you, you arrogant bastard.
Posted by shamwari (# 15556) on
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Firenze asks for some evidence that Novak was "playing up" ( my words)
Did she see the two occasions when Novak lost a simple point and then walked back to the service line with a "knowing smile" creased across his face?
Nothing reminded me so much as the occasion when Christiano Ronaldo in a football match managed to get an opponent given a red card for a "foul" for a tackle on him. And his very public wink to the bench when the red card was issued.
Different game. Same response. Novak simply did not play to his normal best -- for whatever reason. Three times when given a simple overhead smash into an open court he played the ball back to Andy who capitalised and won a totally undeserved point.
Not to mention the number of times Novak played the fool following a drop shot and gave Andy a simple reply.
Andy was brilliant. Novak was ??????
I was left wondering about a "Fix"
Maybe the blinkered Firenze can explain that, Assuming she watched the match and was not simply doing her normal "thing" of abusing my post.
[ 08. July 2013, 20:06: Message edited by: shamwari ]
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on
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'twere the Illuminati, innit.
Posted by RuthW (# 13) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Ceannaideach:
quote:
Originally posted by deano:
The only way this could be useful is if Kate has a baby BOY,
As a woman, fuck you, you sexist twat.
Today I saw that it actually hadn't been 77 years since a Brit won Wimbledon, despite what was said at the awards ceremony on Sunday. Has there been any discussion over there of Virginia Wade?
Posted by DouglasTheOtter (# 17681) on
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Shamwari, you're an absolute divot.
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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OK shamwari, you want evidence. The head to head record between Djokovic and Murray is now 11-7, in the Serb's favour, but on grass he hasn't taken a set off Murray. Their only previous meeting on grass was at Wimbledon in the Olympic semi-final which Murray won 7-5, 7-5. This match followed that pattern.
Move along people, there's nothing to see.
Posted by The Midge (# 2398) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Move along people, there's nothing to see.
Until next year.
Posted by PataLeBon (# 5452) on
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quote:
Originally posted by shamwari:
Firenze asks for some evidence that Novak was "playing up" ( my words)
Did she see the two occasions when Novak lost a simple point and then walked back to the service line with a "knowing smile" creased across his face?
Nothing reminded me so much as the occasion when Christiano Ronaldo in a football match managed to get an opponent given a red card for a "foul" for a tackle on him. And his very public wink to the bench when the red card was issued.
That's really flimsy evidence. In football, there are reasons for fouling. A "good" foul will prevent something from happening that you don't want to happen (a score, a set up, etc.).
Novak may have been trying to set up Murray. He might have been laughing at his own problems. Or he might have been telling himself to calm down and not get angry as it wouldn't help him. I doubt any of us really know what was going on through his mind at the time.
quote:
Different game. Same response. Novak simply did not play to his normal best -- for whatever reason. Three times when given a simple overhead smash into an open court he played the ball back to Andy who capitalised and won a totally undeserved point.
Not to mention the number of times Novak played the fool following a drop shot and gave Andy a simple reply.
Andy was brilliant. Novak was ??????
Back to "Shit happens". Are you having a hard time getting that even the #1 player in the world can have an off day/hour/morning/set/match/game?? Is Novak some kind of robot/computer? (And if so, is that legal in Wimbledon?)
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I was left wondering about a "Fix"
Maybe the blinkered Firenze can explain that, Assuming she watched the match and was not simply doing her normal "thing" of abusing my post.
No one wins all the time. That's why they play the match. In your world there is no reason to even play the game (or watch), you already know who will win.
Remind me not to have you watch the USA's free for all called the NCAA basketball tournament. Your poor mind would be blown that we don't actually believe #1 will play #2 by the end of it.
Posted by quetzalcoatl (# 16740) on
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Actually, the conspiracy is even worse than that - for in this tournament, Serena Williams, Nadal, Federer, Radwanska, Sharapova, were all beaten by lower-ranked players. Clearly the only explanation for this is some kind of chicanery, as there is no other possible explanation, especially as this has never happened before in tennis history!
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on
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quote:
Originally posted by shamwari:
Maybe the blinkered Firenze can explain that, Assuming she watched the match and was not simply doing her normal "thing" of abusing my post.
You will see what you want to see. It's not what I or millions of others saw. And speaking of seeing, it is to be hoped that Mr Djokovic's lawyers don't read this site. (Do you actually care that you are slandering someone?)
As for a 'thing' - it's not so much your invariably pessimistic and cynical viewpoint: that could be down to innate temperament. Some are born to endless night. It is rather that you make no attempt at rational response. Your 'evidence' amounts to 'I seed the way he looked and I knowed what it meant' . Nothing about how you can 'buy' a multimillionaire. No sane rationale as to why.
You are being, quite literally, evil-minded - and projecting that evil on to other people.
Posted by QLib (# 43) on
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quote:
Originally posted by shamwari:
Did she see the two occasions when Novak lost a simple point and then walked back to the service line with a "knowing smile" creased across his face?
I'm guessing 17+ million people saw it. Djokovic is know for his smile but don't let that stop you spinning your crazy theories.
The point about Wade is worth making. Although the Beeb commentators have been careful to talk about the first male singles champion since Perry, all that talk about a 77 year wait does seem to imply nothing else counts. In fact Marray (British, male) won the Men's Doubles in 2012 with a Danish partner, and Murray's elder brother, Jamie, won the Mixed Doubles in 2007 with a Serbian partner.
eta: X-posted with Firenze
[ 08. July 2013, 21:11: Message edited by: QLib ]
Posted by Coffee Cup (# 13506) on
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by Ceannaideach:
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Originally posted by deano:
The only way this could be useful is if Kate has a baby BOY,
As a woman, fuck you, you sexist twat.
Today I saw that it actually hadn't been 77 years since a Brit won Wimbledon, despite what was said at the awards ceremony on Sunday. Has there been any discussion over there of Virginia Wade?
This article addresses that point.
Posted by piglet (# 11803) on
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Originally posted by deano:
... I hate the scotch, they hate us ...
Not all of us - I'm Scottish and I like the English so much I married one of them. But if all Englishmen talked such complete bollocks as you do, could you blame us?
As for the tennis and Mr. Murray's achievement, I've been merrily cheering for whoever Britain's Next Great Hope has been for the last thirty-odd years, no matter what part of the country he came from.
Would you care to subtract his Olympic gold (and those of Sir Chris Hoy and any others who come from north of the border) from Great Britain's tally just because they were won for Great Britain by Scots?
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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shamwari, dear sweet lovable shamwari - were you born this stupid or have you been taking lessons?
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
I can't see how one could possibly begin to compare the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the European Union.
Why not? OK, apart from the fact that the EU isn't a union ... but, could quite reasonably be so in the future.
The UK consists of four previously independent nations which had their own governments, their own currencies, their own languages and cultures (and, in most cases, regional variations in culture and language within each nation). Over a period of time each nation was assimilated into a Union where the national differences were slowly eroded, although recently through devolution some of those differences were re-established (albeit in different forms than before Union). In the case of Scotland, we've maintained our own legal and education systems and printed our own bank notes (legal tender south of the border).
A potential greater (in terms of stronger ties between current nations, rather than necessarily encompassing more nations) European Union could easily be envisaged. It would also take previously independent nation states with their own governments, languages and cultures (just as England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland had been before Union) - although now not their own currencies (except for the Brits).
The two scenarios seem entirely equivalent with the exception of scale. But, that's relative. In 1707 the effective distance between London and Edinburgh (eg: how much time and effort it took to get from one to the other) was far more than the equivalent effective distance between any major European city today. Which is why it seems bizarre to be in favour of maintaining a Union in Britain yet opposed to a Union in Europe.
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
The UK consists of four previously independent nations which had their own governments, their own currencies, their own languages and cultures (and, in most cases, regional variations in culture and language within each nation). Over a period of time each nation was assimilated into a Union where the national differences were slowly eroded...
Yes, and many in Ireland, Wales and Scotland have never forgiven the English for doing it to them.
Now, if you were proposing an EU that happened along the same lines as the UK - with every other country becoming more and more like England over time - then I'd be far more in favour of it. But the reality is that England would just end up becoming more French and/or German.
Of course, I'm also in favour of Scottish independence. And Catalan independence. And Cornish independence, should they ever become serious about wanting it. IMO, when it comes to countries small is beautiful.
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
But the reality is that England would just end up becoming more French and/or German.
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You say that like it's a bad thing. When do we get the Wirtschaftswunder and the fancy cuisine?
(Btw, don't you love how this thread has blossomed since planted - and manured - by deano? Sport, politics, mad conspiracy theories - it's got it all).
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on
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You forgot Québec. ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
shamwari, dear sweet lovable shamwari - were you born this stupid or have you been taking lessons?
No doubt setting up the blog, the FB page etc to prove the theory that the match was fixed with riveting point by point analysis as we speak and talking to Channel 5 about a documentary.
Millions of people - some of whom actually know shit about tennis - noticed that Murray is a very good tennis player, has spent the last few years training damn hard, improved a great deal, beaten the same bloke previously and won other grand slams. They believe that winning Wimbledon was a reward for all that hard work and that Murray may well win other grand slams for the same reasons.
But all that counts for nothing in the eyes of shamwari. Who watched the match and knows It Was A Fix. shamwari, you make Emily sound sensible.
Tubbs
[ 09. July 2013, 09:25: Message edited by: Tubbs ]
Posted by anoesis (# 14189) on
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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by Ceannaideach:
quote:
Originally posted by deano:
The only way this could be useful is if Kate has a baby BOY,
As a woman, fuck you, you sexist twat.
Today I saw that it actually hadn't been 77 years since a Brit won Wimbledon, despite what was said at the awards ceremony on Sunday. Has there been any discussion over there of Virginia Wade?
I couldn't speak for what has been discussed 'over there' but 'over here' [NZ] all the reporting I've heard/read has been reasonably clear about the 77 years since a male Wimbledon champion. Which is something.
I'm not in the least bit interested in tennis myself, but I watched coverage of the win on the sports news, and I thought it was interesting that the footage showed folks of all kind and classes and wallet capacity and background dancing around in euphoria at the win. Not all in the same place, of course - that would be too much to hope for - but if it has some unifying effect, that's not a bad thing, ISTM.
Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
The UK consists of four previously independent nations which had their own governments, their own currencies, their own languages and cultures (and, in most cases, regional variations in culture and language within each nation)...
I think that 'own government' may be overstating it a bit in the case of Wales. AIUI pre-Union Wales was a collection of local regimes which guarded their independence fiercely while simultaneously struggling to lord it over their neighbours, with relationships marked by intense parochialism, mistrust, and mutual backstabbing, and coming together only in opposition to the English. Whereas modern Wales is, um,....
Posted by anoesis (# 14189) on
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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I hate the scotch, they hate us. But Britain is 3 celtic countries run by one better country in order to ensure the 3 celtic countries are not royally fucked over by England like they have been for the last few millenia, and they want to throw it away the ungrateful wankers.
They've never been any use unless sucking at Englands tit, so fuck them, fuck Murray, fuck every jock everywhere. If they want independance, all it means is that we don't have to worry about shafting them.
I know this is hell, but honestly - you should be ashamed of yourself. Try expressing the same sort of sentiments as above, but substitute 'negro' or 'Jew' for 'Scot', and ask yourself if it feels acceptable. And don't try and argue that it isn't the same kind of thing - it is.
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on
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Well, it was their own government ... even if decentralised and somewhat haphazard.
But, I realise I'm turning all Purgatorial. So, I'm off to do the right thing. If you want to follow the conversation I'll be setting up a thread in Purg shortly.
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on
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quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
You forgot Québec.
I'm sure I forgot a lot of places. Take them all as read.
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on
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What I did notice, shamwari, was the way Murray had three championship points - and Djokovich demolished them all. Hardly the sign of someone who deliberately wanted to lose.
But guess you were too busy updating your conspiracy theory file at the time - putting Murray in alongside the moon landings, Kennedy's assassination and Princess Di.
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
But the reality is that England would just end up becoming more French and/or German.
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
If I wanted to be French or German I'd move to Lyon or Frankfurt.
Posted by Cod (# 2643) on
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Originally posted by Evensong:
Tennis is for wimps and small minds.
Bring on The Ashes!
And I hope you enjoy them. That is, if you're a masochist. ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on
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Well I'm hoping for a few scots on the English side so youse can all implode.
‘Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand.
![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by QLib (# 43) on
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Yes, of course, that would explain why the United Kingdom was so spectacularly unsuccessful in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.
Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on
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Ssssshhhhhh! Don't tell deano!
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on
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quote:
Originally posted by shamwari:
Firenze asks for some evidence that Novak was "playing up" ( my words)
Did she see the two occasions when Novak lost a simple point and then walked back to the service line with a "knowing smile" creased across his face?
Nothing reminded me so much as the occasion when Christiano Ronaldo in a football match managed to get an opponent given a red card for a "foul" for a tackle on him. And his very public wink to the bench when the red card was issued.
Different game. Same response. Novak simply did not play to his normal best -- for whatever reason. Three times when given a simple overhead smash into an open court he played the ball back to Andy who capitalised and won a totally undeserved point.
Not to mention the number of times Novak played the fool following a drop shot and gave Andy a simple reply.
Andy was brilliant. Novak was ??????
I was left wondering about a "Fix"
Maybe the blinkered Firenze can explain that, Assuming she watched the match and was not simply doing her normal "thing" of abusing my post.
You have, of course, shared this water-tight evidence of a potential match throwing conspiracy with your friends, family and the local constabulary so action can be taken haven't you? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Tubbs
Posted by alienfromzog (# 5327) on
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Originally posted by deano:
He's two sets up! Okay I hate tennis but I hate Murray more.
He is an anti-English wanker and I'd rather have somebody from a no-name-muddy-field-istan like whoever-he's-playing-ovich than an anti-English Scotch
I'm sorry but having seen the BBC documentary about Murray I had to return to this comment.
Of course anyone who doesn't know the difference between Scotch and Scots is either terminally stupid or wilfully ignorant and so I shouldn't expect much but...
AM, once said "He'd support any football team playing England" this comment arose in banter, in a conversation with Tim Henman in which they'd been teasing each other over football and was clearly meant in jest. It was then picked up and distorted by the malignant British media and resulted in Murray receiving hate-mail. I DO marvel at the level of stupidity needed to go from such a story in the press to writing hate-mail but I am grateful to Deano for educating me as to the 'thought-processes' behind it.
Deano, please tell me you're a troll because if you are a pseudo-troll™ then I am really worried. If you really believe what you write, I think you need help.
AFZ
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
IMO, when it comes to countries small is beautiful.
Only countries then, is it? Heightist meanie.
Posted by Arethosemyfeet (# 17047) on
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Originally posted by leo:
If there were no Scots in the British parliament, we would be permanently condemned to a Tory government. we need the Shortish labour votes to get a majority.
It's not actually true. There has only been one occasion when a Labour government was dependent on Scottish votes for a majority since WW2, if memory serves.
Posted by Mad Cat (# 9104) on
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
But the reality is that England would just end up becoming more French and/or German.
.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
If I wanted to be French or German I'd move to Lyon or Frankfurt.
Scotland signed the Act of Union for access to trade rights. I think it's legitimate to compare the UK with the EU in that respect. I guess the EU comes freighted with all sorts of stuff that can actually inhibit trade, which is where the analogy breaks down.
Not sure I agree with Alan on the home nations becoming more like each other. If that's the case it's because of our geographical union, and because people inter-marry. The Scotland/England border was ever fluid. My Geordie family are in character very similar to my lowland Scots family. Not sure about those Irish dudes....
Posted by leo (# 1458) on
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Originally posted by leo:
If there were no Scots in the British parliament, we would be permanently condemned to a Tory government. we need the Shortish labour votes to get a majority.
It's not actually true. There has only been one occasion when a Labour government was dependent on Scottish votes for a majority since WW2, if memory serves.
I hope that's right.
Posted by alienfromzog (# 5327) on
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Apparently the 'Scotland-Labour-effect' is very small:
See here
AFZ
Posted by Cod (# 2643) on
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Actually a great big bribe was a large part of cause of the Act of Union.
Along with various other things - defence concerns, depleted treasury, union of crowns, the lowlands being pulled into England's cultural orbit and so on. Access to trade rights was just one of those things.
The big bribe is the cool bit though.
Posted by Molopata The Rebel (# 9933) on
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
AM, once said "He'd support any football team playing England" this comment arose in banter, in a conversation with Tim Henman in which they'd been teasing each other over football and was clearly meant in jest. It was then picked up and distorted by the malignant British media and resulted in Murray receiving hate-mail.
AFZ
I would put it down to Big Neighbour Syndrom . If Roger Federer were more outspoken, he'd probably be on record for saying "Jede söll gwönne - eifach nid die Dütsche"*, along with pretty much all other German Swiss - who face the additional distress which comes with that fact that the Germans actually do sometimes win tournaments.
As a Scot with a Swiss passport, I feel particularly afflicted when Germany plays England, as they can't both loose.
*Anyone can win, just not the Germans.
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on
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(eta - following on from Cod's post)
And Hekla. Had Hekla not erupted continuously for seven months of 1693, would we have had the Union? Although Scotland's crop failure post-Hekla wasn't as severe as that of Sweden (estimated 80,000 dead) Estonia (estimated 70,000 dead) and Finland (estimated 30% of the population died) people were dying in the northern parts of Scotland, too. Scotland had the double whammy of crop failure and economic collapse of some of its trading partners. Scotland was forced to have a poll tax in 1696 (hugely useful source for historians today) to attempt to provide for its hungry people. Scotland was in a bad way by 1707, but the part of its economic collapse caused by the drifting ash from Hekla was just pure bad luck.
[ 09. July 2013, 19:04: Message edited by: North East Quine ]
Posted by piglet (# 11803) on
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Originally posted by deano:
I hate the scotch, they hate us [etc.etc.]...
I know this is hell, but honestly - you should be ashamed of yourself. Try expressing the same sort of sentiments as above, but substitute 'negro' or 'Jew' for 'Scot', and ask yourself if it feels acceptable. And don't try and argue that it isn't the same kind of thing - it is.
Thank you, Anoesis - I couldn't have put it better than that. It drives me up the wall that people can be as rude as they like about the Scots (or the English, for that matter) without fear of any kind of censure.
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on
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Fortunately, there appears to be an antidote for deano: http://www.beanogas.com/
Posted by ExclamationMark (# 14715) on
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Princess Di.
Well. I never saw her in the crowd - must've been banned from the Royal Box for this one.
Posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger (# 8891) on
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
Of course anyone who doesn't know the difference between Scotch and Scots is either terminally stupid or wilfully ignorant and so I shouldn't expect much but...
It's simple - scotch is what the Scots drink.
Posted by The Midge (# 2398) on
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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
Of course anyone who doesn't know the difference between Scotch and Scots is either terminally stupid or wilfully ignorant and so I shouldn't expect much but...
It's simple - scotch is what the Scots drink.
There is not much wrong with a country that produces a fine malt. Though I admit that I prefer a drop of smooth Welsh Madeira.
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Princess Di.
Well. I never saw her in the crowd - must've been banned from the Royal Box for this one.
Time to invent a conspiracy theory that she didn't really die but was spirited away to a remote island where she lives a quiet life unobtrusively clearing away leftover landmines and hiding from holidaymaking paparazzi.
Posted by Cod (# 2643) on
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Originally posted by piglet:
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Originally posted by anoesis:
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Originally posted by deano:
I hate the scotch, they hate us [etc.etc.]...
I know this is hell, but honestly - you should be ashamed of yourself. Try expressing the same sort of sentiments as above, but substitute 'negro' or 'Jew' for 'Scot', and ask yourself if it feels acceptable. And don't try and argue that it isn't the same kind of thing - it is.
Thank you, Anoesis - I couldn't have put it better than that. It drives me up the wall that people can be as rude as they like about the Scots (or the English, for that matter) without fear of any kind of censure.
While I agree with the sentiment, it cannot be said that Scots (or English) have suffered anything like the same level of persecution as black or Jewish people, which if probably why it seems less acceptable.
Posted by Molopata The Rebel (# 9933) on
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Time to invent a conspiracy theory that she didn't really die but was spirited away to a remote island where she lives a quiet life unobtrusively clearing away leftover landmines and hiding from holidaymaking paparazzi.
Rumour has it that she is making out with Elvis on Saturn.
Posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger (# 8891) on
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Originally posted by Molopata The Rebel:
Rumour has it that she is making out with Elvis on Saturn.
While Lord Lucan rides past on Shergar....
Posted by leo (# 1458) on
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
Apparently the 'Scotland-Labour-effect' is very small:
See here
AFZ
Very interesting - thank you
Posted by Leorning Cniht (# 17564) on
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
Apparently the 'Scotland-Labour-effect' is very small:
See here
AFZ
Very interesting - thank you
I think that article understates the effect. The Major government had quite so many issues in part because it had such a slender majority that it was at the mercy of a small number of rebels. Had Major had a 70-seat lead rather than a 20-seat lead, the dynamic of that government would have been rather different. Blair would probably have still won the next election, but without such a dramatic landslide. Michael Portillo, for example, would have kept his seat, and probably been elected Tory leader instead of William Hague. Under Portillo, the Tories would have given Blair a closer run for his money in 2001.
This is without even considering the effect that removing individual Scots from the UK political scene would have had.
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on
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Being a host is like being the curator of a public art space. You set the space up. You advertise the opening to the community. You tell them all about the different materials you're going to provide for them to use. Offer them classes in different media. Try to generate excitement about how this is going to be THEIR space to create, to share with each other.
And then the art space finally opens, and the only contribution on the first morning is a 16-year-old scrawling "GAVIN IS A COCKSUCKER" in large letters.
After a while you start lowering your expectations to the point where a good day is when 'cocksucker' is spelled correctly and in an attractive font.
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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Aren't we being constantly told by art 'experts' that art is only art if it challenges us or shocks us?
Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on
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Originally posted by orfeo:
...And then the art space finally opens, and the only contribution on the first morning is a 16-year-old scrawling "GAVIN IS A COCKSUCKER" in large letters.
After a while you start lowering your expectations to the point where a good day is when 'cocksucker' is spelled correctly and in an attractive font.
Consider Pompeii. All it takes is a volcano eruption and then the next time the graffiti are seen they're fascinating.
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on
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A pyroclastic flow can move over the Damien Hirsts any time it likes.
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on
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Were there a god, it would have already happened.
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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The last few posts read rather like the Daily Mail's art and culture column.
Posted by Arethosemyfeet (# 17047) on
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Originally posted by Cod:
While I agree with the sentiment, it cannot be said that Scots (or English) have suffered anything like the same level of persecution as black or Jewish people, which if probably why it seems less acceptable.
Highlanders were treated not vastly better than black people in the American south for a while after the '45 rebellion. Even within living memory kids were beaten for using Gaelic in school.
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
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Originally posted by Cod:
While I agree with the sentiment, it cannot be said that Scots (or English) have suffered anything like the same level of persecution as black or Jewish people, which if probably why it seems less acceptable.
Highlanders were treated not vastly better than black people in the American south for a while after the '45 rebellion. Even within living memory kids were beaten for using Gaelic in school.
The clearances were bad, no doubt. Very bad indeed, but different.
The differences being the degree and length of poor treatment. And that, if so one chooses, a highlander can appear to be other. Not so when you are black. Oh, and if the highlanders were treated as the Jews were, there'd not be a one left.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
The last few posts read rather like the Daily Mail's art and culture column.
This is an evil comment, even for Hell. Mean man.
[ 14. July 2013, 16:14: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]
Posted by Arethosemyfeet (# 17047) on
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The treatment of highlanders probably had more in common with the treatment of Native Americans.
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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The satirist Craig Brown writes for the Mail on Sunday's Arts section, so we could perhaps interpret this as high praise.
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
Aren't we being constantly told by art 'experts' that art is only art if it challenges us or shocks us?
Erm... no, not really, no. Possibly on Daily Heil Bullshit Mountain but no, not in the real world.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
The treatment of highlanders probably had more in common with the treatment of Native Americans.
Not really. Scottish chiefs and Lairds who lived on the land kept ownership and the Highlanders were, with some exceptions, shipped out to overseas or to cities.
With a few exceptions, when found on land wanted by colonists or settlers, Native Americans were pretty much exterminated on site within the US until the mid 1800's. Canadians did slightly better only because of the fur trade.
E.g. A reading of American discussions during the early part of the 1800's indicates an almost universal fear, verging on paranoia, of Indians and being scalped. It caused the US to make weird political and military decisions during the War of 1812.
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on
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Aren't we verging off topic to some general chit-chat here?
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Well I could have said anybody who compares the Highland clearances to the chaotic but persistant destruction of all Native Americans, with all the gore and mess and retaliations that money, greed, racism and religion can provide is a tartan fetishing drama queen who has no clue as to the breadth of history but prefers the easy answer because it sounds sensible and pithy on the internet.
Like who the fuck has Genocide envy?!
But that might be going too far.
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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Originally posted by PeteC:
Aren't we verging off topic to some general chit-chat here?
We are, but I was hoping for some "Only One True Scotsman" bollocks before this thread sinks beneath the waves of apathy.
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on
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Originally posted by PeteC:
general chit-chat
Now I'm hungry for some General Tso's chicken.
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on
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Is his chicken better than Colonel Sanders'?
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Is his chicken better than Colonel Sanders'?
Depends on who make it, but generally yes.
[ 15. July 2013, 19:47: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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This is fascinating stuff and perfect for the Burnt Offerings thread.
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