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Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :

...in this report may or may not be quite well known to me. Some of the people quoted may or may not be known to me.

I refuse to confirm or deny etc. etc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21425108

Posted by Alaric the Goth (# 511) on :

[Big Grin]

Posted by Bostonman (# 17108) on :

It sounds great! I've never been into metal but I could see the average parish church being pretty boring to those who are. A few guys in my youth group back when I was a teenager were pretty big metalheads though. I know there have been Church of Finland "metal masses"...I wonder if there's anything explicitly Christian about the music in these particular places?

Posted by Olaf (# 11804) on :

Fourth Presbyterian in Chicago recently offered:

"Electric Chapel: Confronting Hate and Empowering Youth (A Lady Gaga Worship Event)"

See link here for more info

They have offered U2charists in the past as well. This congregation is fortunate to have quite a large amount of money at their disposal, a lot of space, and an enormous congregation.

Posted by Jade Constable (# 17175) on :

My issue with services like this is the use of secular music, which I do not think is appropriate for a church service. A worship song written in a death metal style? Fine. Lady Gaga songs? Not fine. It's not about genre.

Having said that, a service using death metal style worship music seems fine to me, no different from a folk or indie mass, and as long as the Eucharist is central then the style of worship music is superfluous - I just think it should be worship music and not secular.

Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :

Long, long, Purg thread on this topic...

Posted by Bishops Finger (# 5430) on :

What Jade Constable said.

This sort of music isn't exactly to my taste, but the Church isn't all about me. If such services bring people to Christ and then continue to deepen their faith in Him, so much the better - and the Holy Spirit can work with just any material, no?

Ian J.

Posted by Sergius-Melli (# 17462) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Lady Gaga songs? Not fine. It's not about genre.

Whilst not wishing to comment on Lady Gaga inparticular, ther are songs out there, which we might consider 'secular' which do have a religious undertone that can be noticed and extracted when properly looked at. Whilst exact songs are not on the tip of my tongue at the moment, several of Jack Savoretti's work with a religious connotation as do the occassional Muse.

it maybe a case of my personal warping of music I like (and in my opinion anyone who doesn't like either of the two I mention will have to worry about judgement day) but we can't discount 'secular' music outright because it doesn't specifically mention God, Jesus, etc. etc. etc.

Posted by claret10 (# 16341) on :

Well very negatively biased article. If it wasn't to far for me to travel I would definitely be tempted by this sort of church. I've visited churches of many styles and the current one I attend is more due to locality than it's style of worship. I for the majority of my Christian life not attended church and one thing I have recognised through that is that my faith matures best by attending a church where there is a strong community ethos, where views can be exchanged and debated freely and no one judges you for who you are.

Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :

To balance out some of my snarky comments in Purgatory, I think that it's the community and inclusivity aspects of a group of this kind that would be its main strengths.

On the downside, it could end up being so 'niche' as to quickly date and prove ephemeral.

Equally, it's only going to appeal to a particular audience, as it were - either those who are Christians already but disaffected with their own churches - and/or those people they know who might be interested in the faith but who are put off by what they perceive of church as they know or imagine it to be.

That's fine, as far as it goes, of course, but as Karl will have found on Purgatory, I wouldn't be starry-eyed about experiments of this kind ... but then, it's easy to be cynical about them too.

Somewhere there is a balance.

Posted by Jade Constable (# 17175) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sergius-Melli:

quote:
Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Lady Gaga songs? Not fine. It's not about genre.
Whilst not wishing to comment on Lady Gaga inparticular, ther are songs out there, which we might consider 'secular' which do have a religious undertone that can be noticed and extracted when properly looked at. Whilst exact songs are not on the tip of my tongue at the moment, several of Jack Savoretti's work with a religious connotation as do the occassional Muse.

it maybe a case of my personal warping of music I like (and in my opinion anyone who doesn't like either of the two I mention will have to worry about judgement day) but we can't discount 'secular' music outright because it doesn't specifically mention God, Jesus, etc. etc. etc.

I'm only talking about music used in a worship service, not music in general. Church services are for worshipping God and music that doesn't mention God isn't appropriate for that.

Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Somewhere there is a balance.

Yes, somewhere in the vast space between Heavy Metal and St. Daphne's.

Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :

heh heh ... At last, the perfect church ... St Daphne's ...

Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jade Constable:

quote:
Originally posted by Sergius-Melli:

quote:
Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Lady Gaga songs? Not fine. It's not about genre.
Whilst not wishing to comment on Lady Gaga inparticular, ther are songs out there, which we might consider 'secular' which do have a religious undertone that can be noticed and extracted when properly looked at. Whilst exact songs are not on the tip of my tongue at the moment, several of Jack Savoretti's work with a religious connotation as do the occassional Muse.

it maybe a case of my personal warping of music I like (and in my opinion anyone who doesn't like either of the two I mention will have to worry about judgement day) but we can't discount 'secular' music outright because it doesn't specifically mention God, Jesus, etc. etc. etc.
I'm only talking about music used in a worship service, not music in general. Church services are for worshipping God and music that doesn't mention God isn't appropriate for that.

Depends what you're using it for. Instrumental music by definition never mentions God but no-one objects to organ voluntaries.

Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :

I'm sure we could find some who do ...

Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :

Thinking about it, the Orthodox don't go in for instrumental music - other than bells.

The Greeks use harmoniums (harmonia? plural?) but are looked down on by the rest of the Orthodox world for this reason - and others ...

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