Ship of Fools: Scotland Yard and Diana's 'accident'

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Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

Is THIS another case of 'here we go again, more tabloid sensationalism on The Anniversary of St Diana'? Or might it just be 'I told you so!' and could turn into a very big story?

Posted by Hawk (# 14289) on :

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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
Is THIS another case of 'here we go again, more tabloid sensationalism on The Anniversary of St Diana'?

If it looks like a duck...

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

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Originally posted by Hawk:

quote:
Originally posted by Mudfrog:
Is THIS another case of 'here we go again, more tabloid sensationalism on The Anniversary of St Diana'?
If it looks like a duck...

Problem is, though I believe it was a horrible accident - believing also that the speeding was in reaction to the swarm of paparazzi tailgating the car, and they should have been liable for contributing to the crash - there are many people who do believe the 'establishment was involved and to them the 'duck' looks like conspiracy to murder not an accident sensationalised into one.

Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :

Edwina Currie was interviewed on Broadcasting House this morning - she said something along the lines of what's to explain: drunk driver, speeding to avoid the paparazzi that she'd tipped off and no seatbelt.

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

It was the Duke of Edinburgh in the underpass with a 12-bore. Everyone knows that.

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

Yup, that's the simplest and most obvious explanation. It's a shame that the paparazzi weren't held in some way accountable. What this 'new' story reveals is a base need to blame someone.

Earl Spencer was right, the paparazzi did hound her to death - but you and EC are correct, she did court them a little bit too much.

Posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard (# 368) on :

Yeah, as big as the grassy knoll.

Posted by argona (# 14037) on :

Oh no, not again. Dig her up and put her decomposed corpse on This Morning. Maybe then we'll leave her alone.

Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :

They should have worn seat belts.

Posted by Enoch (# 14322) on :

Earwigo aggen.

From the article,

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"It is understood the allegation was made by the former parents-in-law of a former soldier based on information that the ex-soldier talked about in the past..."

sounds like a novel way of getting your own back on someone you think has let your daughter down.

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"The hearing into the deaths of Diana and Dodi lasted more than 90 days with evidence from around 250 witnesses."

It seems to me that a person has to have a paranoiac need to believe in conspiracy theories still to think any explanation other than the generally accepted one is of any worth at all.

Posted by Penny S (# 14768) on :

I can imagine that a soldier might say something like that as a joke. Especially as the SAS is supposed to be very close about what they did, and I would assume that something of that sort would require even greater closeness than usual.

What is it that we aren't supposed to be looking at?

Posted by L'organist (# 17338) on :

Why on earth would 'the establishment' want to rub her out? Especially since, at the time of her death she was involved (yet again) with a man who was supposed to be in a relationship with someone else (he was engaged to Kelly Fisher)...

Mr Fayed junior was squiring her about - yes, probably at the suggestion of his father who was embroiled in a nasty scandal at the time involving brown envelopes, Conservative MPs and being turned down for British citizenship (he is still no a UK national). Far be it for anyone to suggest that a supposed relationship between his son and the ex-wife of the heir to the throne might just give the owner of Harrods the tiniest little hint of schadenfreude - I mean, the man had previously behaved with an innocence purer than a newborn lamb, hadn't he?

Mr Fayed and Diana, Princess of Wales, died because they were in a car being driven by someone well over the drink-drive limit: contributory factors were excessive speed, their not wearing seatbelts and a foolish attempt to outrun photographers on motor-cycles through the Paris traffic.

As for Mr Fayed senior, perhaps his persistent attempts to put the blame on somewhere well away from himself stem from the fact that HE was the person who ordered that particular individual to drive, despite the fact that they were not licensed to be in charge of that particular type of vehicle and disregarding the fact that at the time the couple left the hotel he had been on duty for over 14 hours.

Posted by rolyn (# 16840) on :

How many people have died on the road since Aug 97 ? And how many of those through absolutely no fault of their own ?
Have the Police and media really got nothing better to do than to dig this friggin story up again and again.

Posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard (# 368) on :

Now I didn't know that, that it was Al Fayed senior's call to put an exhausted drunk in the driving seat.

Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on :

Personal prejudice is involved here, but I fervently hope to live to an age where the meedja are no longer regularly reporting further glurge concerning Anna Nicole Smith, Michael Jackson, and Diana-the-People's-Princess.

Of course, that will undoubtedly also mean that Civilization (So-Called) As We Know It will have come to an end, so I suppose I should be more cautious about what I wish for.

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

You wait until next March - there'll be reports that they're opening an investigation into a miscarriage of justice that led to the execution of a religious leader in AD33...

...conspiracy I call it.

Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on :

There's a photo of the Queen and Prince Philip being driven to church today; neither are wearing seatbelts. Am I right in thinking that the Royals often don't wear seatbelts?

Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on :

(I appreciate, of course, that there's a big difference between a sedate official drive and a high-speed drive through Paris.)

Posted by Darllenwr (# 14520) on :

I cannot help wondering whether Mohammed al Fayed's motivation in all of this is guilt - if he can only find somebody else to blame, that will absolve him of responsibility for instructing that particular individual to drive ...

You pays your money, you takes your choice. I can remember at the time it being said that if Diana and Dodi had been wearing seatbelts, they would have survived, as did their bodyguard who was wearing a seatbelt. Alcohol, a fast car, a confined tunnel and concrete walls - it's a lethal cocktail. I don't think there is any need to try to add to it.

Posted by Leorning Cniht (# 17564) on :

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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
there are many people who do believe the 'establishment was involved and to them the 'duck' looks like conspiracy to murder not an accident sensationalised into one.

Yes, and their brethren are running around claiming that 9/11 was an inside job, based on some rather strongly flawed "engineering" calculations and their desire to be important.

It's crap, plain and simple.

Posted by ExclamationMark (# 14715) on :

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Originally posted by argona:
Oh no, not again. Dig her up and put her decomposed corpse on This Morning. Maybe then we'll leave her alone.

There is no corpse. She was cremated at Blisworth Crematorium near Northampton on the Thursday night before the funeral.

The crematorium was in operation that night (1st time ever in an evening) and there was a heavy police presence in the area.

She can't be buried on the island in the lake (or rather the coffin can but her body can't). It's against English law to inter a body that may disrupt or pollute a water course or source.

At a pinch, if she wasn't cremated, then she's buried in the family vault at the church. The area around the vault showed signs of disturbance for months afterwards.

Posted by the giant cheeseburger (# 10942) on :

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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:

quote:
Originally posted by argona:
Oh no, not again. Dig her up and put her decomposed corpse on This Morning. Maybe then we'll leave her alone.
There is no corpse. She was cremated at Blisworth Crematorium near Northampton on the Thursday night before the funeral.

The crematorium was in operation that night (1st time ever in an evening) and there was a heavy police presence in the area.

She can't be buried on the island in the lake (or rather the coffin can but her body can't). It's against English law to inter a body that may disrupt or pollute a water course or source.

At a pinch, if she wasn't cremated, then she's buried in the family vault at the church. The area around the vault showed signs of disturbance for months afterwards.

Nonsense! I heard she was having an affair with Elvis Presley in the moon landing studio.

Posted by Cod (# 2643) on :

I rather suspect that the police want to be seen as having investigated fully, and not having to endure further speculation on the subject.

A Muslim friend of mine once said that he thought she was killed to avoid the risk of a Muslim king - wrong, becuase she was not herself royal.

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:

quote:
Originally posted by argona:
Oh no, not again. Dig her up and put her decomposed corpse on This Morning. Maybe then we'll leave her alone.
There is no corpse. She was cremated at Blisworth Crematorium near Northampton on the Thursday night before the funeral.

The crematorium was in operation that night (1st time ever in an evening) and there was a heavy police presence in the area.

She can't be buried on the island in the lake (or rather the coffin can but her body can't). It's against English law to inter a body that may disrupt or pollute a water course or source.

At a pinch, if she wasn't cremated, then she's buried in the family vault at the church. The area around the vault showed signs of disturbance for months afterwards.

Well I've never heard this before! LOL
My goodness what a palaver.
Anyway, AFAIUI, the lake is neither a water course or source. Does it feed into a stream or river? Do they draw water out of it?

The coffin is lead-lined I believe.

Posted by bib (# 13074) on :

Why is this story constantly rehashed? The lady is dead and it is time to move on. Constantly resurrecting the incident must be painful for the families concerned and achieves nothing other than sell newspapers.

Posted by ExclamationMark (# 14715) on :

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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
[QUOTE]
Well I've never heard this before! LOL
My goodness what a palaver.
Anyway, AFAIUI, the lake is neither a water course or source. Does it feed into a stream or river? Do they draw water out of it?

The coffin is lead-lined I believe.

You are perfectly entitled to bury anyone in/on your own property, according to English law.It must be notified to the local environmental health dept and recorded on the deeds of the property.

The lake may not be a water source but it is still illegal to bury any coffin in such an environment. As for lead lined, well the way they were swinging it around and carrying it about suggests that it wasn't lead lined at all. It was a casket and thus several times heavier than the standard coffin - veneered chipboard.

I lived in Northants at the time of the funeral. I can vouch for the fact that the Crem. was in operation that Thursday. 2 + 2 not equalling 4? Perhaps but there's no record of where the royal family were that night. The disturbance in the family tomb in Great Brington suggests the ashes were buried there.

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
As for lead lined, well the way they were swinging it around and carrying it about suggests that it wasn't lead lined at all. It was a casket and thus several times heavier than the standard coffin - veneered chipboard.

Are you kidding?!
That coffin was heavy! It took 8 military blokes and they were struggling.

See Here and you'll see not them swinging the coffin around but swaying under the weight.

[ 19. August 2013, 13:22: Message edited by: Mudfrog ]

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

God, it still brings tears to the eyes.

Posted by PaulBC (# 13712) on :

Not again please . What happened to Princess Diana shouldn't have happened . It was a lousy accident.So file the case under CLOSED please new Scotland Yard . Thank you and let the lady rest in peace

Posted by Hedgehog (# 14125) on :

quote:
Originally posted by bib:
Why is this story constantly rehashed? The lady is dead and it is time to move on. Constantly resurrecting the incident must be painful for the families concerned and achieves nothing other than sell newspapers.

The last clause answers your question, doesn't it?

Posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger (# 8891) on :

Veering slightly off topic, isn't putting a lead lined coffin in a water course / source potentially more dangerous that putting a body in there?

[ 20. August 2013, 07:11: Message edited by: The Phantom Flan Flinger ]

Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :

From a French legislative perspective, as far as know if the coffin crosses the equivalent of county lines it must be lead-lined. So I expect that one was.

Posted by Clemency (# 16173) on :

Speaking as one who has some experience of lead coffins (from the outside) they can result in unfortunate accidents. Recently I was involved in re-opening a vault in which a prominent member of the 18th century aristocracy (in his 70s) and his 20-year old mistress had been interred. Her coffin had been intact when the vault was last reopened a hundred years ago, but since then it had exploded, scattering the mortal remains of he poor lass all over the vault. I have heard that whilst excavations were being carried out in York Minster some years ago a lead coffin 'blew'and made an awful mess. I guess decomposition happens, and pressure builds..

with that, to breakfast

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

To be honest I wondered at the reasoning behind it - I mean, I thought the whole point of interment in the ground was for decomposition. Why put the body in an airtight lead box?

Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :

The point on this side of the Channel, as far as I know, was that of preventing the spread of infectious disease. Hence the requirement if the coffin crossed county boundaries. Of course this harks back to an earlier era, but that's where it stems from.

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