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Curiosity killed ...
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I keep forgetting to do this - thank you all for the suggestions for Oban over Christmas. I'm getting excited. We are also stopping in Glasgow overnight on the 21 December. Any suggestions for churches on Sunday morning and/or places to go. We have most of Saturday evening and quite a bit of Sunday in Glasgow before catching the train on up to Oban.
I hope that nobody was affected by the helicopter crash in Glasgow, which sounds as if it was horrific from the news coverage.
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There isn't a huge number of Episcopal churches in central Glasgow.The cathedral is in Great Western Rd,not too far from the centre of town and if you are looking for an AngloCatholic church,then St Bride's in Hyndland Rd will suit you (only Rc churches in Glasgow will use the word 'Mass' however).
Otherwise St Mungo's cathedral (the old and Presbyterian one) is worth a visit or indeed the newly refurbished St Andrew's rc cathedral on the banks of the Clyde,next to the Clutha pub
and that tragic accident.
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posted by curiosity killed...
We are also stopping in Glasgow overnight on the 21 December. Any suggestions for churches on Sunday morning and/or places to go. We have most of Saturday evening and quite a bit of Sunday in Glasgow before catching the train on up to Oban.
Shipmeet? I'm free... (I think)
Churches? Depends what you're looking for. St Mary's Cathedral will give you a Eucharist with good liturgy with good choir; St Bride's Hyndland, as Forthview said, is Anglo-Catholic, East facing, bells, smells & asperges; St Silas (also in the west end) is much much more evangelical in theology and has assorted music groups/praise bands, and you may or may not get a Eucharist; the East end team of Pisky churches is much smaller and depending which you visit you may get a Eucharist or a Service of the Word. As far as Church of Scotland is concerned there are many. It's not my thing, but I've heard good things of Wellington Church in the West End, there's also Woodlands Methodist in the west End, and Baptist churches dotted about the place. Derf would be better placed to tell you about Methodist options, and Surfing Madness could probably also suggest Baptist type churches.
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If you are city center based for church one night, I would recommend the Church of Scotland Cathedral. The Saturday night in Glasgow is going to be busy! George Square has got some lovely lights (even if some of them look like weeping angels from Dr Who.) What sort of things are you interested in?
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daisymay
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We've just got news that now 9 people have died in Glasgow. ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
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Alan Cresswell
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At least nine. There are still people known to have been in the pub Friday night still not accounted for. Including the brother of the mum of some of the children in the same school as our children.
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At least nine. There are still people known to have been in the pub Friday night still not accounted for. Including the brother of the mum of some of the children in the same school as our children.
My heartfelt sympathy for Scotland's loss. Especially for the relatives and friends of the victims.
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Thanks, Pooks. We are such a small country that there is only ever two or three degrees of separation. Almost everyone knows someone who knows someone who was caught up in this. The Glasgow folks are being amazing - taxi drivers offering free rides for relatives to the hospitals, for example. But it is just such an awful thing to happen, and I am hoping that the death toll doesn't rise any more.
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North East Quine
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My sister-in-law often goes to the Clutha. Fortunately, she's been signed off work sick for the past two weeks and wasn't out on Friday night. But she knows one of the dead.
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Alan Cresswell
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Now confirmed as nine The uncle of children known to our children has been named as one of the dead
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daisymay
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Just saw on the news that Scotland was doing better teaching children than mostly in England! And there are lots of the whole world that seem to teach better than both!
In a secondary school in London I taught Latin as the head and I were the only two who had done it at university, all the rest teachers (English people) hadn't learned Latin!,
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Alan Cresswell
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Though, I would always be cautious about measures of education quality that basically reflect ability to get the right answer in tests.
That being said, what I've seen of the Scottish education system (mostly at the primary end for my children, and the university end end as that's where I work, with not a great deal of direct experience of High Schools inbetween) it does do a much better job of giving a broader education than what I experienced in England. And, doing that while still maintaining a not too shoddy ability in students getting the right answer in tests.
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North East Quine
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I like the Scottish education system. But I'm not convinced by league tables of countries, as they're often comparing apples and pears.
Wild, wild weather here this morning. I was woken by the rat-a-tat-tat of the contents of our bird feeder being blown against the window.
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Firenze
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Here too. I can see the streetlight nodding in the wind through the blur of rain on the window. I'm trying to convince myself I really want to go out to T'ai Chi in an hour or so.
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Bit breezy here too. It looked like a pane of glass had been blown out of one of the top floor flats on Byres Rd, as there was a very loud sound of glass breaking and the curtain blowing as I walked in to work.
I am suspecting the Aberdeen participants to a meeting later may be somewhat delayed...
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daisymay
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And on the news, it says that many trains not working because it is so very windy! And also cars avoiding being used too! Is it very windy all over Scotland?
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kingsfold
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I'm guessing so. That's Edinburgh, Glasgow & north of Aberdeen reporting in with high winds...
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After 25 mins at the bus stop, the NE Quinie has just heard her school bus isn't running and is back home.
5 schools closed here because of power cuts, two closed because of fallen trees and various school buses not running.
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All trains cancelled in Scotland...
Don't know if any of the folk from elsewhere in Scotland for todays scientific meeting will have braved the roads, but we are going to be thin on the ground!
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Stay safe, folks - I'm sure you have more idea than here down south to handle the winds, just seen some fairly scary figures from Lewis!
On the bright side, it's not as bad as New Year 1992...
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Francophile
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This is a light breeze compared with the January 1968 gales.
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Firenze
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Wimped out of my class. Plus mild neighbourhood panic because Jim next door hadn't opened his curtains at gone 10 o'clock. We have the world's most effective monitoring/security system - the woman behind the lace curtains at No 17. (All well, btw. Jim now stirring - probably on account of all the people ringing the doorbell/chapping on the back door etc).
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North East Quine
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The wind has dropped here, but it's hailing. Oddly we have lightning, but I'm not hearing thunder.
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It's wild down here too. Wind is coming from an unusual north-east direction, as far as I can tell. I shan't be opening my front door again any time soon, as it nearly blew me across the hall. But the sun is out now, and it is oddly bright.
Meanwhile, in between powercuts, I am trying to phone people and do some photocopying, while a engineer is trying to fix the dishwasher. I am also wondering about risking a shower ...
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Welease Woderwick
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Originally posted by Cottontail:
...I am also wondering about risking a shower ...
In December!?!?
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Our local Farmers' Market has been shut up early after one of the stalls blew over, taking out the rear window of a taxi in the process. This has a lot to do with a new market provider using fancy folding stalls like garden gazebos, rather than the old council ones that would have withstood anything.
And that's in Oxford, so I dread to think what it's been like Ooop North! They're also predicting a storm surge at Jaywick in Essex that could top the sea walls by half a metre. Admittedly another flood in Jaywick might do billions of pounds worth of improvements, but that's cold comfort if you lose your home, or if anyone dies.
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Originally posted by Cottontail:
...I am also wondering about risking a shower ...
In December!?!?
Hehe. It's an electric shower, and if the power goes off half way through, I am stuck with a headful of shampoo. But rest assured - I took the risk and am now fresh and clean.
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Someone a couple of miles away has had an old tree uprooted - and the movement of the roots has dislodged her septic tank ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Alan Cresswell
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I got into work, finding one of the trees had come down. No damage to the building, but it has blocked one of the emergency exits.
It was bright sunshine a moment ago. Now it's snowing.
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And that's in Oxford, so I dread to think what it's been like Ooop North!
One of our bridges has shut, due to a lorry lying sideways on top of a car.
It was a touch breezy earlier. But now the sun shines and things have calmed down a bit. Not a day for having double glazing installed, really, but they insisted...
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Just dropping in to say I'm thinking about you all - Edinburgh made it on to the "Force of Nature" spot on the Canadian Weather Channel this evening, and looked pretty wild.
Hope you're all safe.
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Just popping in to comment that the weather has been unseasonably mild this week. 11 degrees here in Glasgow. Mild usually means wet, but really quite dry with even a bit of sun. If winter was like this all the time, it wouldn't be too bad. But I remember a mild December last year, at least for the Christmas period, and then bitterly cold January. Enjoy.
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... 11 degrees here in Glasgow ...
That's nice - it's -9° here at the moment, and God knows what with the wind-chill. I don't often complain of the cold, but brrrrrrr!
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Curiosity killed ...
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kingsfold suggested a Shipmeet in response to this from me:
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We are also stopping in Glasgow overnight on the 21 December. Any suggestions for churches on Sunday morning and/or places to go. We have most of Saturday evening and quite a bit of Sunday in Glasgow before catching the train on up to Oban.
Shipmeet? I'm free... (I think)
Sorry, megaslow response. Thank you so much for the church suggestions - my daughter is heading RC-wards, so high Anglican would be brilliant.
And after consultation with said offspring (hence the slowness) - she said a Shipmeet would be great, but I realise that there are unlike to be many people unoccupied the Saturday before Christmas. She's actually a shipmate, has probably posted a total of 3 times ever.
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... 11 degrees here in Glasgow ...
That's nice - it's -9° here at the moment, and God knows what with the wind-chill. I don't often complain of the cold, but brrrrrrr!
Hope you're keeping warm Piglet. Still very mild for the time of year in Auld Scotia, predicted high for today in the west was 14C, similar further north and east. A bit wet today, and very cloudy and dull, but no high winds. I can live with this.
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Firenze
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Ah weel, you'll have the high winds today. Majorly wild and wet out at the moment.
We did a dash this morning to get the week's shopping - prudent Shipmates may like to know Lidl is offering Comte de Brismand champers at 9.99 a bottle: we bought half a case.
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daisymay
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My friend from when we were always in the same class in school is in Edinburgh, and she says the weather is awful and so she stays indoors at home.
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More than a bit breezy here. Hold onto your hats...
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daisymay
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And it says that today in lots of Scotland it will be really awful today. Very windy in lots, and cold. I hope people survive!
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If it's any comfort (probably not) it's more than a touch blustrous here today as well.
Almost enough to make me feel homesick ... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Look after yourselves.
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Not in Scotland. but the Scottish Kirk, web page in London, is performing tomorrow, Friday, the evening about 7pm, and I hope it goes well. They are always good to have their days in them.
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Firenze
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Howzitgoan Scottish Shippies?
Embra clear and cold and a bit blowy, but the worst of the weather west and south of us I think.
Hope everyone is warm and dry this Christmas.
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Blowy but clear here in Aberdeenshire. The next village along had a powercut last night, no idea if they have got their power back yet.
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It looks from your posts as if you're having a lot better weather than we are - we've got about two feet of snow.
I ought to go and phone my kith and kin in Scotland before we head out to have Christmas dinner with friends in the choir.
Hope you're all having a good Christmas.
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There was snow on Monday - several inches dumped on Rannoch Moor and Tulloch. The West Highland train to Mallaig was delayed while someone got out and changed the signals manually at Rannoch, the Network Rail van had a snow plough attached to clear the road at Crianlarich and the station attendant at Crianlarich was using all sorts of snow clearing kit to make the platform safe - a snow blower, hand snow plough and shovels. However, today coming through, most of the snow had been washed away by the wind and rain.
There was snow on all the tops over on Mull and further north of Oban all week. Ben Nevis looked very dramatic on Monday.
It was blowing a hoolie on Monday, Tuesday, some of Wednesday and Friday. Looking at the bay which was covered with white horses, I'd say gale force 10 for much of that time. It was bad enough to cancel most of the ferries on Tuesday (when we hoped to cross to Mull). Yesterday was sunny and calm - and stunningly beautiful.
Today the worst of the disruption was further north or south. Hence I'm in Glasgow overnight because there are two hour plus delays on trains going past the overhead line damage between Preston and Carlisle.
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daisymay
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On the news now, it says that in Dundee, they are celebrating, praying for the people who were dead in the 18th century when the train fell down and got broken across the water, including the man who red the train.
And now, it is a train session fixed well. I always remember being on that train place!
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Firenze
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It has been a rubbish Christmas for TV on BBC in general, IMO. Vast tracts of films which I've either or seen, or don't wish to see. Repeats of repeats of repeats. And now, just when I thought there would be a tholeable half hour before dinner watching Landward there is a documentary on Scottish country dancing, full of White Heather Clubbish clips of tippety-tappiting tartanry, various centenarian old biddies probably reminiscing about the time they stepped a measure with Bonnie Prince Charlie, and a man with a beard the exact size, shape and texture of a sisal doormat.
Bar the Gatiss docu on M R James the other night, I don't think there's been a thing to engage a single brain cell for weeks (and I include Dr Who in the general commination).
Anyway, back to the screen on which, a God help us, folk are prancing about in a church hall for what seems to have been several hours already - it can only be a ploy by the pro-Unionist camp to show us this is what we'll get at prime time every day if we vote for independence.
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