Ship of Fools: Haggis Hunt

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Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

http://haggishunt.scotsman.com/

It has started again! And it's fun and nice to see all sorts of places! We all play in it and some people win!

Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :

And speaking of seeing all sorts of places, off you go to the Circus. Good luck everyone and enjoy spotting those golden wonders.

Cheers

Ariel
Heaven Host

Posted by Kyzyl (# 374) on :

Sighted my first of the season at Loch Lomond. BTW, that location has been used before, is it a resort or some other facility?

Posted by Baptist Trainfan (# 15128) on :

I've never won anything. But I'm looking - and I just spotted an "ordinary" one by Loch Lomond and a GOLD one at St. Andrew's. *It did a doo-doo on the golf course, though*

And I'm listening to St. Andrew's Day-themed music on R3.

[ 30. November 2013, 14:43: Message edited by: Baptist Trainfan ]

Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :

If you read the bit on the right hand side of the screen it has at the bottom a link to the providers of the webcam. In this case Loch Lomond Shores Stores. The cameras depend on who the Scotsman can persuade to allow them to stream the cameras.

Jengie

p.s. this is one of the cases where the Scotsman image is degraded, and if you look at the website you get a far better view.

Posted by Surfing Madness (# 11087) on :

We seem to have some different locations this year.

Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :

I miss Loch Ness. [Frown]

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

I just saw one at Inverness, and I'm amazed that that happens when it's night and dark!

Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :

Oh there is slightly misleading information on Arbroath, the council hosting that webcam is Angus not Aberdeen.

Jengie

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

quote:
Originally posted by daisymay:
I just saw one at Inverness, and I'm amazed that that happens when it's night and dark!

I love how parts of Scotland can be in broad daylight and others in the depths of darkness. A remarkable country! [Biased]

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

I've just seen a few again, only one at a time, both yellow and brown, and still quite big ones - let's see when there are lots, not just one in each place, as usually every year!

Posted by justlooking (# 12079) on :

The locations don't seem as good this year. The Cairngorms isn't even live most of the time. No Edinburgh, no London, no Gretna Green. I've spotted eleven so far.

Posted by justlooking (# 12079) on :

The Cairngorms has been replaced with Stonehaven Harbour.

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

I love the Stonehaven place where I have visited, and just a few minutes ago, there was a very big brown haggis there!

Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :

Yay, my favorite time-waster is back. I'm glad Eileen Donan castle is back, although I hope the camera angle will be better than last year's. No hagii tonight.

Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on :

Just caught one at St Andrews.

Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :

A big golden one at Inverurie.

Amazingly, Scotland looks very like SW Florida today. *sigh*

Posted by tessaB (# 8533) on :

One at Inverurie. Sigh, there goes any free time I had [Biased]

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

Just seen 2 yellow big ones, in Linlichgow and Inverness, and sometimes always a brown one. And I like seeing the places as they are often looking nice whether they do have Haggis's in them!

Posted by Sandemaniac (# 12829) on :

Jings! Four at once - Loch Lomond, Banchory, Stonehaven and one apparently doing something unspeakable to a boat's roof on the Linlithgow Canal!

AG

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

And several times today, I've only seen 1 at a time, several times!

Posted by Heavenly Anarchist (# 13313) on :

I think the weather is scaring them off.

Posted by Heavenly Anarchist (# 13313) on :

Eilean Donan is looking is pretty this morning.

Posted by Baptist Trainfan (# 15128) on :

I thought I saw one on the Golf Course at St. Andrew's, but it was only a bush.

Posted by Baptist Trainfan (# 15128) on :

A big one sitting on the roof of a boat at Linlithgow.

A thought: can Haggii swim? Or do they just go round in circles before drowning?

Posted by Heavenly Anarchist (# 13313) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
A big one sitting on the roof of a boat at Linlithgow.

A thought: can Haggii swim? Or do they just go round in circles before drowning?

I would assume they do swim, coming from the same genetic pool as the duck billed platypus. But, as you suggest, the disparity in leg length must be a severe disadvantage.

Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :

BT; the animal is a Haggis, not a *Haggius. The plural is therefore Haggises or Hagges. Not *Haggii, which is very nearly as annoying as the faux-plural *Virii for viruses.

Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :

Pedant. [Razz]

Posted by Baptist Trainfan (# 15128) on :

THREE OUT AT ONCE just now: Inverurie, Banchory and Inverness. They're getting nocturnal.

I haven't seen a golden one yet, though. [Frown]

Posted by Baptist Trainfan (# 15128) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
BT; the animal is a Haggis, not a *Haggius. The plural is therefore Haggises or Hagges. Not *Haggii, which is very nearly as annoying as the faux-plural *Virii for viruses.

Excuse me, but "The Scotsman" itself, in its list of "Ten things you never knew about Haggis", states categorically:

"The correct plural of haggis is haggii, although under certain grammatical circumstances it can be haggises or even “wee yins”. The name Haggii comes from the Latin for “harried ones”".

In fact, it is down as Fact No.1 - I think that is definitive. [Big Grin]

Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :

Okay, we're settling this now: "haggis" would be a 3rd declension neuter noun (assuming it's not a crystalized form of the genitive of the original "haggus," which seems unlikely); therefore, one could naively assume the plural would end in -es. However, this leads to "haggies," which, given that diphthong in the final syllable, just doesn't sound right—so I'm guessing that it's actually more likely to be "haggites," with the "t" inserted between vowels, but suppressed when not needed.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

The haggis critters have been pretty thin on the ground for me. [Frown]

Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :

quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
I miss Loch Ness.

I think we went there in 1970 but we missed Nessie...

Posted by tessaB (# 8533) on :

Gold one at Inverness and one doing something unspeakable to a car at Linlithgow Cross [Eek!]

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

Just saw 4 grey ones, not yellow ones, in various places. And it is light and sunny in many pictures.

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

I was surprised that they put many in at night, and so lighted it up to show them. And a funny little tree at Loch Lomand, for Christmas.

Posted by Baptist Trainfan (# 15128) on :

That one at Linlithgow is up to its business again ...

You're right about the tree at Loch Lomond. That little fence will never keep the critters out ... or is it to stop the tree escaping?

Posted by tessaB (# 8533) on :

Nice gold one at Arbroath.

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

And lots today in various places, and it looks less wet now, more dry. But no white coming down all over.

Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
Okay, we're settling this now: "haggis" would be a 3rd declension neuter noun (assuming it's not a crystalized form of the genitive of the original "haggus," which seems unlikely); therefore, one could naively assume the plural would end in -es. However, this leads to "haggies," which, given that diphthong in the final syllable, just doesn't sound right—so I'm guessing that it's actually more likely to be "haggites," with the "t" inserted between vowels, but suppressed when not needed.

Were it a neuter noun, the plural would be *hagga, assuming the stem is hagg- or possibly *haggia, assuming a stem haggi-. 3rd Declension nouns in -is are generally masc or fem, so would take a nom. pl. in -es.

Haggites would be possible; the issue could be resolved by finding an example of the genitive plural in the literature - *haggium would imply the noun does not insert a syllable; *haggum that it does.

I don't care what The Scotsman says - Latin literacy these days is atrocious and your citation, BT, shows just how poor it is. Latin plurals in -ii invariably derive from Nom. Sings in -ius.

It cannot be a fossilised genitive as a putative form *Haggus would form a genetive in -i, identical in form to the Nom. Pl. -is would be the Gen. sing. of 3rd Dec Haggis - identical in form with the Nom. Sing. of course.

[ 10. December 2013, 10:09: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]

Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :

If you're looking for Latin declension, I'd conjecture that haggis follows the same pattern as tigris. In this case, the plural can be either hagges or haggides.

[ 10. December 2013, 10:20: Message edited by: LeRoc ]

Posted by Sandemaniac (# 12829) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
That one at Linlithgow is up to its business again ...

I think it has "issues", because it's humping the boat roof again today.

AG

Posted by Heavenly Anarchist (# 13313) on :

Goodness me, there are 5 there at the moment, they must be breeding.
Other than with boats, that is.

[ 11. December 2013, 19:57: Message edited by: Heavenly Anarchist ]

Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :

KLB: see, you're assuming Latin remained "pure," under Classical rules; however, with the influence of the vernacular in later Latin, we see irregular forms of crystallization and some flex in the rules of declension to reflect the language understanded by the people, especially in words of local use or origin, such as "haggis." As the word/animal is particularly Scottish (and as the Romans never successfully occupied the native territory of haggides, thus indicating that classical Latin was never widely spoken there—while the presence of monasteries in even the most remote parts of the country seems to indicate that later Latins were), it seems that we ought to retain some trace of the vernacular and its irregular rules

quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
If you're looking for Latin declension, I'd conjecture that haggis follows the same pattern as tigris. In this case, the plural can be either hagges or haggides.

I'd say "haggides" would be a reasonable compromise under most circumstances, and I may even have used it myself; however, I'm still not happy about you being reasonable. Your proposal is acceptable for the moment—until I come up with a better idea and make up some reason why everyone who doesn't do it like me is wrong.

Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on :

If anyone is interested, this is what some of the shops you can see in Inverurie look like from the inside.

It's a great place for shopping; hardly any multiples, most of the shops are still family firms.

Posted by tessaB (# 8533) on :

What a good looking bunch of people, and very game as well.

Posted by justlooking (# 12079) on :

The Cairngorms camera is back but it's still not live - therefore pointless as a webcam.

Perhaps it's just me but the webcams seem to be a bit dull this year. I think it's because there isn't one really lively place. Perhaps it's the economic situation - austerity and all that.

I've nabbed about 35 haggis so far (I think the plural is like sheep - i.e one sheep, two sheep, 374 sheep) but my heart's not in it.

Posted by Ann (# 94) on :

Arbroath is beautiful - especially when it's sunny and Stonehaven was as well when it was standing in for Cairngorm. Banchory looks cramped - I think that the webcam they've fed from is 16:9 and Haggis-cams are 4:3. I miss the Glasgow street fair they used to have.

Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on :

Last year the Inverurie webcam moved right to left over three views from one webcam. This year it seems to be fixed on the centre view. This shows a small car park, and the triangle of ground in the mifddle of the square, which contains the war memorial and Christmas tree, but not much movement of people. It makes Inverurie, which is a busy and prosperous wee town, look much quieter than it actually is.

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

Lots of quite big haggises, many not yellow ones. And I do enjoy seeing lots of the places in Scotland, and I'm pleased they show them in different places often.

Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on :

I will be heading to Inverurie later today, so if the webcam picks up a stout woman in a red fleece waving at the camera, that'll be me!

Posted by kingsfold (# 1726) on :

Inverurie, Banchory and Eilean Donan - a positive glut of haggi. No NEQ though....

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

there's been a lot of Haggises, and just sunny in one place!

Posted by tessaB (# 8533) on :

One at Linlithgow Cross, one at Inverness and a gold one at Eileen Doonan Castle. A positive glut!

Posted by Heavenly Anarchist (# 13313) on :

I just saw Santa!

Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Heavenly Anarchist:
I just saw Santa!

Interesting. According to NORAD, Santa is over Pakistan. Oops, now Afghanistan. Hope he drops a present to a young friend of mine serving there!

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

Quite a few of haggises now, but then they go away! And St Andrews is always just black now - the picture is not coming as it used to... and many people are also walking up in the big high hill! I remember walking up there when it was looking similar.

Posted by tessaB (# 8533) on :

Loch Lomond covered with Haggises including about 10 gold ones, just for a few minutes and then all gone.

Posted by Heavenly Anarchist (# 13313) on :

The swarm is back again.

Posted by Baptist Trainfan (# 15128) on :

I've just seen a whole field of golden Haggii capering across the glens at Banchory! Is this a once-in-a-lifetime experience?

There must have been at least 20 of the little blighters.

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

And I also have lots and lots of yellow ones and their babies with them in lots of places! And St Andrews got fixed again to see. Also up the hill again, with lots of people walking up and around.

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

In Arbroath it looks very very wet there and still white up on the hill above!

Posted by tessaB (# 8533) on :

Gold one at Eileen Doonan and some scary looking machinery at St. Andrew's and Caingorm [Ultra confused]

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

A few big ones now - yellow one at St Andrews.

Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :

Do you lot enjoy playing in Haggis Hunt? there are lots of pictures and quite often haggises too. I like seeing the pictures as well as the haggises. [Killing me]

Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :

I do enjoy it, altho I haven't posted much on this thread this year. I enjoy seeing the different scenes in Scotland, a place I hope to visit some day.

Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :

And, now that Burns' Night has come, let us have one last address to our hunted haggis, one last dram, and a toast to our sundry lads and lassies—and goodnight.

Until next year.

Thread Closed

—A

[ 26. January 2014, 00:54: Message edited by: Ariston ]

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