Ship of Fools: Name for new centre

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Posted by Roselyn (# 17859) on :

Any ides on appropriate name for newly built centre in a new housing area for Anglicans Saint aldhelm perhaps??

Posted by Zach82 (# 3208) on :

What do you mean "centre?" Is it a church or what?

Posted by Roselyn (# 17859) on :

Like the good old days, start with hall type building functioning as church w plans for church next door later...not a separate parish

Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :

Perhaps the patron saint of the city or region (assuming there is one)? If not, then whip out your handy copy of the Venerable Bede's Eccesiastical History of the English People and find a building-oriented saint.

Posted by Beeswax Altar (# 11644) on :

Just go with St. Swithuns.

[ 19. December 2013, 03:50: Message edited by: Beeswax Altar ]

Posted by Galilit (# 16470) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Roselyn:
Any ides on appropriate name for newly built centre in a new housing area for Anglicans Saint aldhelm perhaps??

I see you are in OZ. So perhaps use somthing indigenous - Mary McKillop or a Famous Austalian Anglican

P.s. In my just-woken-up, uncalibrated state I thought you were talking about a new housing area just for Anglicans [Killing me]

Posted by Oscar the Grouch (# 1916) on :

My vote would be to name it after the greatest living Anglican, as lasting tribute to him:

The Desmond Tutu Centre

Posted by ken (# 2460) on :

Drop the word "centre"! Naff, meaningless, dated, bureaucratese.

Posted by Zach82 (# 3208) on :

Yeah, just call a church a church. I've always liked "Church of the Holy Name," but Jan 1st is a tough slot for a patronal festival. Call it "Christ Church" when people inevitably decide Holy Name Church is too long.

Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ken:
Drop the word "centre"! Naff, meaningless, dated, bureaucratese.

Really, Ken, don't you realize that Anglicanism is a big fan of what Buffy called So Two Hours ago? And if our banks can become retail banking centres, surely we can call a church a retail worship and deity referencing centre? Others have given practical ideas if we're looking for an answer. One possibility is to see which dedications are not used much in the diocese (e.g., the Diocese of Ottawa is chock-a-block with S Johns and All Saints but only one S Augustine, a dedication crime if I ever saw one) or a local saint or venerable if you've got one.

Posted by Hart (# 4991) on :

What day was the cornerstone laid? Who is commemorated on that day?

Posted by Ann (# 94) on :

You could always go with the one of the saints that shipmates worship at - The Church of the Five Foolish Virgins, The Church of the Prodigal Son's Elder Brother ...

Posted by stonespring (# 15530) on :

I have always wanted to name an Anglican church one of the following:

Church of the Immaculate Conception
Church of the Assumption
Church of the Sacred Heart
Church of the Immaculate Heart

Perhaps there are already Anglican churches with these names. It would also be fun to name a Catholic church after an Anglican martyr - but the Anglican church would need to adopt a formal process of canonization first. How about these Catholic church names:

Church of St. Thomas Cranmer
Church of King Charles the Martyr (granted, he wasn't killed by Roman Catholics)

Then there can be an Anglican church of St. John Fisher, etc.

Does anyone know if there is anywhere in the world an Anglican Church of St. Thomas More?

Posted by venbede (# 16669) on :

If you are calling a church a "centre" because to call it a church might put off the unchurched then they are likely to be even more put off by a dedication to a saint or mystery. So just call it (Name of district) Anglican Centre.

Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :

quote:
Originally posted by venbede:
If you are calling a church a "centre" because to call it a church might put off the unchurched then they are likely to be even more put off by a dedication to a saint or mystery. So just call it (Name of district) Anglican Centre.

While I am not happy with the implied dishonesty of such an approach (perhaps if its layout is meeting-room oriented, with a chapel/worship space, it might be another matter), it is true that many uncommitted and/or non-believers would never think of entering a building labelled a church. It might encourage those who happily go to church as long as they're not generally thought of doing so.

@Stonespring. Most post-Reformation mysteries (Assumption, Immaculate Conception) are RC-denominational in character rather than generically Catholic, so you're not likely to see them as Anglican dedications. There are some Charles the Martyr churches about, but if you want something singular, there is this parish in the Anglican Diocese of Toronto, dedicated to a martyr of 1637, canonized by J2P2 in 1987.

Posted by Roselyn (# 17859) on :

Sorry everyone got so diverted by the word "centre" I was , I thought, explaining that it was Not a new parish or a church being planted in someone else's parish but a new centre of worship in a defined geographical area necessitated by housing being built of formerly undeveloped land. New area, young families, some with little experience of church....maybe our cultures are further apart than I thought

Posted by venbede (# 16669) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Roselyn:
it was Not a new parish or a church being planted in someone else's parish but a new centre of worship in a defined geographical area necessitated by housing being built of formerly undeveloped land.

The term for that in England used to be "daughter church".

There may be good pastoral reasons why you do not call it a church, but that's what it is.

Posted by Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras (# 11274) on :

"Little Lord Jesus Anglican Worship Centre"

Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :

Personally I'd go with "The Glory Hallelujah Church of the Left Ventricle", but maybe that's just me.

Posted by Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras (# 11274) on :

Holy Family of Suburbia Anglican Chapel of Ease.

Posted by Zach82 (# 3208) on :

Back in the day, important parishes in Berlin were named after major stops in Jesus' ministry, which I quite like.

Though they all had official names like "St Michael's" and what not, they went by names like Jerusalem Church, Tabor Church, Nazareth Church, Bethlehem Church, and what not. Sadly many of them were destroyed or closed by carpet bombing, communism, or secularism.

Posted by Amos (# 44) on :

Maybe it's something like a Community Centre, and not a church. Then the question arises: is it a Christian Community Centre, or one for the whole community (non-Christians too).
If the latter, you could call it 'Dry Creek Community Centre' (assuming 'Dry Creek' is the name of your suburb).
If it's specifically Christian, you can call it 'Dry Creek Christian Community Centre,' though I think that may well make people think a little too much of poisoned KoolAid.

If it is a church, or is going to be a church once you've lured all the unsuspecting people inside with fun community events, then call it a church. Many of the suggestions already made in the thread are better ones than I could think of at this hour. Especially Lietuvos's and Zappa's.

[ 20. December 2013, 06:57: Message edited by: Amos ]

Posted by Gill H (# 68) on :

My church is an extra-parochial place, and for most of its life we haven't had a building.

When we did finally get a place of our own (a re-worked former fire station) we decided not to name it after the church. Partly because other churches and community centres in the area have similar names already.

So we kicked around names, most of them cheesy (The Fire Place, anyone?). I suggested that as we were next to the King's Head, it should be the King's Body. (No, I wasn't serious...)

We ended up calling it 216, because that is its street number. And it seems to have worked perfectly well for us.

Incidentally, when the Bishop opened the building , he consecrated the people, not the building. This is partly so the diocese can use the building in other ways if we move out, but also a salutary reminder of what 'the church' means.

Posted by Amos (# 44) on :

Yes--there's a parish centre in this diocese named after its street number. Its former street number. It moved, but took the old sign with it.

Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on :

Assumption is one of the oldest feasts of the BVM.I understand there are some pre-Reformation CofE churches with this dedication.

Posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop (# 10745) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Forthview:
Assumption is one of the oldest feasts of the BVM.I understand there are some pre-Reformation CofE churches with this dedication.

Yes, I can name FROYLE near Alton in Hampshire. I visited that Church many years ago.

Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Forthview:
Assumption is one of the oldest feasts of the BVM.I understand there are some pre-Reformation CofE churches with this dedication.

Yes-- you're right about Assumption. That was my initial thought, but some searching brought me no references and I know that in my old database of Canadian dedications, there were none (although Canadian dedications tend to the very conventional), and I got brain-distracted by the Sisters of the Assumption, an RC order to which an old teacher belonged. Thank you for the correction.

Posted by AndyB (# 10186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras:
"Little Lord Jesus Anglican Worship Centre"

No, that would have to be in a sleepy suburb of a town on the river Wye. In December.

Posted by Jade Constable (# 17175) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop:

quote:
Originally posted by Forthview:
Assumption is one of the oldest feasts of the BVM.I understand there are some pre-Reformation CofE churches with this dedication.
Yes, I can name FROYLE near Alton in Hampshire. I visited that Church many years ago.

Please explain the acronym!

Posted by Amos (# 44) on :

It's not an acronym (I had to look it up):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Froyle]]
The parish church of Froyle in Hampshire is Our Lady of the Assumption.

[ 20. December 2013, 16:46: Message edited by: Amos ]

Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on :

Perhaps it is BVM you are asking about.It's not used so often nowadays -Blessed Virgin Mary.

Posted by Jade Constable (# 17175) on :

No, as an A-C I'm well aware of BVM, I just didn't realise Froyle was all in caps rather than an acronym.

Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on :

quote:
Originally posted by AndyB:

quote:
Originally posted by Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras:
"Little Lord Jesus Anglican Worship Centre"
No, that would have to be in a sleepy suburb of a town on the river Wye. In December.

Very good!

Posted by venbede (# 16669) on :

I don't think Hay-on-Wye has any suburbs. Just second hand book shops.

I expect most pre-Reformation English worship centres now called "St Mary's" were originally dedicated to the Assumption, and presumably still are if they like to use the title.

I believe Uffington in Berkshire certainly used to use the title.

Posted by Roselyn (# 17859) on :

Are there churches dedicated to the Dormition?

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

There can never be too many buildings dedicated to St Sexburga.

Posted by venbede (# 16669) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Roselyn:
Are there churches dedicated to the Dormition?

The Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Ennismore Gardens, London, is dedicated to the Dormition and All Saints. The building was originally an Anglican worship centre dedicated to All Saints.

I'd have thought it was a very common Orthodox dedication. I don't suppose there are any Anglican dedications to the Dormition, but you didn't ask that.

Posted by AndyB (# 10186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by venbede:
I don't think Hay-on-Wye has any suburbs. Just second hand book shops.

As long as one of them is somnolent, my joke still holds.

Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :

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Posted by Prester John (# 5502) on :

It helps to demonstrate the thought process to naming churches for both evangelical and catholic oriented folks.

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Posted by Graven Image (# 8755) on :

New start church near where I once lived called themselves, "The Church You Have Been Looking For.

Posted by venbede (# 16669) on :

Before you close the thread, I'd just like to apologize to roselyn if I've been hurtful in constantly taking the mickey of her use of the words "church centre" but I haven't heard any helpful explanation of why it is different from a normal church.

Posted by Galilit (# 16470) on :

Actually, Venbede, I think "church centre" is an Antipodean usage which passes unremarked upon - in the Antipodes that is. Even I wondered what you were on about and was worried that Roselyn would not understand ...very gallant, glad you said it

Posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop (# 10745) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jade Constable:

quote:
Originally posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop:

quote:
Originally posted by Forthview:
Assumption is one of the oldest feasts of the BVM.I understand there are some pre-Reformation CofE churches with this dedication.
Yes, I can name FROYLE near Alton in Hampshire. I visited that Church many years ago.
Please explain the acronym!

FROYLE is no acronym; it is a name in its own right. It is the name of a village or small residential area near Alton in Hampshire. It is probably too small to be showing on every map of the area.

Posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop (# 10745) on :

Sorry to double-post; I had been away from this thread for a bit, and I did not spot that the answer had already been given in the mean time. Froyle was spelled in upper-case purely for clarity.

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