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la vie en rouge
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[SPOILERS GALORE]
I saw the film on Saturday night and I thought it was awesome. Some of my evangelical coreligionists are all up in arms about its treatment of the Bible and I’m not sure this is a bad thing ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
First of all it is awesome because it is a Russell Crowe vehicle and Anthony Hopkins is in it ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
To my fellow evangelicals who are shocked! shocked I tell you! I have been making this point: it isn’t a Christian film. I don’t know why they were ever expecting it to be, TBH. First up, it is a Hollywood film, and beyond that, it is a Jewish film. I thought the creative use of the acid trip that is the book of Enoch made for some very entertaining cinema (although we were a bit nonplussed about why the Watchers looked quite so much liked Transformers ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) ). I also quite liked the battle when the rain started. Because if people are so evil that God’s decided to destroy the world, then you really ought to see them doing some kinda properly evil things, not just being a little bit naughty. I thought the bit where Tubal-Cain sneaked on board the ark was a bit pointless and didn’t really add anything, tho.
I don’t think I agree with the producers about the nature of God, but the film does ask some really interesting and intelligent questions, ISTM. How come Noah and family are righteous enough not to be destroyed? What’s different about them? Was Noah right or wrong about God being done with humanity? (If he’s right, then it’s Noah’s own human choice not to kill the babies that gives humanity a future. OTOH, if he was wrong, then God was taking a humungous risk with him.) Is God really silent?
Proof that the Frozen Chozen don’t know their Bibles as well as they claim to: yes, Noah really does get drunk and nekkid in the book of Genesis. I’m glad they put this in because I think it’s an important part of the biblical account. Watching the world get destroyed is traumatic, people.
Anyone else watched it? Did you like it?
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jedijudy
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I haven't watched it yet. Daughter-Unit and I hope to see it soon, since we've heard a lot of good things about it.
My evangelical friends have said it's terrible, which makes me want to watch it just to see what's so bad about it. (We did talk about the fact that it is a movie created to generate money for the makers!)
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I haven't seen it yet, but the movie got a very positive review from Fr. Bob Barron. In fact, the article linked to is part review, part homily. He sees no conflict between major divergences from the Biblical text that inspired it and having a fundamentally Christian message. As you point out, the writers of Enoch didn't either.
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My son went to see it. He said that as long as you go expecting it to be a good pictorial tale (rather in the style of a modern children's interpretation of the Nativity eg, 'The Fourth Wise Man', 'The Woodcutter and the Dove', 'Meredith the Camel') then it's very enjoyable. But just don't expect it to be word for word exactly as the OT.
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Originally posted by jedijudy:
My evangelical friends have said it's terrible, which makes me want to watch it just to see what's so bad about it.
Did the evangelicals not like it because the film changed some details of the literal historic biblical honest to goodness truth of a man building a gigantic boat to house two of every single species of creature while the entire world was flooded. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Does anyone actually know what some Christians objected to?
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My evangelical friend saw it and just thought it was a crap film with cardboard acting and revamped special effects.
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Eutychus
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I agree with La Vie en Rouge (I hope you saw it in English, LVER!). As posted on the film thread:
It's a shame it got the LOTR treatment, but the characterisation is masterful, Emma Watson in particular.
Very clever to have Noah's drinking explained by the trauma of the Flood.
Very English to have Methusaleh offering Noah a nice cup of tea.
Very corny to have the "a storm is coming" meme (surely deliberate?) (includes NSFW language). I suppose that historically, Noah is legitimately the first person to be able to say it.
Very odd to find that Mount Ararat is in Iceland. I've been to that beach.
Our Bible study group has just started Genesis so we've encouraged everyone to go and watch it!
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I've heard a Christian object to the fact that God is not named, and instead is referred to as 'the Creator' or something. They seem to think that this makes the whole thing heathen. I should have (but had to go away and fact check) pointed out that God didn't reveal His name until Moses, and even then it is never uttered by his chosen people...
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
Very corny to have the "a storm is coming" meme (surely deliberate?) (includes NSFW language). I suppose that historically, Noah is legitimately the first person to be able to say it.
Great, great clip. Don't you love how the internet age lends itself to popular meta- analysis?
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Cardboard acting? Someone actually dared to put the words “cardboard acting” and “Anthony Hopkins” in the same sentence? What is wrong with people? ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
The evangelicals of my acquaintance who hated it object to the inclusion of “stuff that isn’t in the Bible”. When I point out that quite a lot of this material comes from Jewish traditions, they are rather surprised.
Now personally I think there’s a good reason why the Book of Enoch isn’t included in the canon, but for the sake of an entertaining movie I was prepared to go with it.
Being a bit more cynical, I think some evangelicals don’t like it because it asks hard questions and they want easy answers.
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Originally posted by jedijudy:
My evangelical friends have said it's terrible, which makes me want to watch it just to see what's so bad about it.
Did the evangelicals not like it because the film changed some details of the literal historic biblical honest to goodness truth of a man building a gigantic boat to house two of every single species of creature while the entire world was flooded.
My sense was that they didn't like the blockbusterizing of the Biblical story. They also seemed to be disappointed with how human the characters in the movie are. I believe I remarked that those depicted in the Bible were human, too.
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There is also an ever so subtle suggestion that God might object to environmental degradation and overuse of the earth's resources. The green agenda is well known to be a godless commie plot at best, and risks leading to gay marriage and dancing.
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I forgot to mention the scene where Noah tells the story of Genesis 1, over visuals showing the formation and stars and planets and then the evolution of life into humanity. Again, I believe evolution is considered suspect among some conservative US evangelicals.
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Mr. Crowe is my facebook friend and he sent me a trailer in February: we finally saw it earlier this month and we were not disappointed. Please read other threads for more extensive comments. One or more OSCAR nominations should come out of this outstanding film!
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Dafyd: quote:
The green agenda is well known to be a godless commie plot at best, and risks leading to gay marriage and dancing.
Dancing? They think dancing is sinful?
William Prynne would be proud of them (he would probably have disapproved of Hollywood, too).
Haven't seen the film yet myself, but all the friends I've consulted so far liked it...
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Well, this conservative evangelical thought it was awesome. I loved the bit where the fountains of the deep were opened up.
The only bit that I thought was horrible - and it took me half an hour to get over it - was when Noah refused to save Ham's new girlfriend and she got trampled to death. Poor Ham. Poor girl indeed!
A question, not related to the film - though partly: Ham went away. Where did he meet his wife?
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I don't know much about non-canonical texts, so found some of the film rather confusing. Was the public made aware of its non-biblical sources before the film's release? Some Christians might have wisely saved their money if they'd known the film wasn't really going to appeal to their theology. (Mind you, why should evangelicals expect a Hollywood film to reflect their theology? That's a bizarre idea.)
Has it been popular with RCs? Since Russell Crowe went out of his way to get the Pope to bless the project perhaps the film was more geared to them than to evangelicals. Anyway, it was a highly watchable film. Worth seeing if you want something a little different.
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I avoid films withh Russell Crowe in them as I find him so irritating. That's why I won't be watching Noah.
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I didn't even realise it was Russell Crowe until after I'd watched it. I was more unsettled by Methusaleh turning out to be Hannibal Lecter.
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
The only bit that I thought was horrible - and it took me half an hour to get over it - was when Noah refused to save Ham's new girlfriend and she got trampled to death. Poor Ham. Poor girl indeed!
I found that part very upsetting as well, as well as the man selling his two daughters(?) to the soldiers for meat ("I have to eat, don't I?"), then the soldiers throwing a live deer into the crowd to quell the riot. Oh, and the people clinging to the last mountain peak.
Loved the creative treatment and Emma Watson's performance. I wouldn't have seen it if it wasn't upsetting evangelicals.
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
The only bit that I thought was horrible - and it took me half an hour to get over it - was when Noah refused to save Ham's new girlfriend and she got trampled to death. Poor Ham. Poor girl indeed!
I found that part very upsetting as well, as well as the man selling his two daughters(?) to the soldiers for meat ("I have to eat, don't I?"), then the soldiers throwing a live deer into the crowd to quell the riot. Oh, and the people clinging to the last mountain peak.
Loved the creative treatment and Emma Watson's performance. I wouldn't have seen it if it wasn't upsetting evangelicals.
I guess it has only upset some American fundamentalists, rather than evangelicals in general.
What we shouldn't forget is that the story of Noah (if true, and I assume it to be) is a deeply upsetting and horrible story. As far as the violence is concerned does anyone believe that as the rain fell the local population stood on the quayside waving handkerchiefs and waving Noah off?
The upsetting scenes reflect the wickedness on the earth - which to be fair, considering the stuff that's going on in Syria and elsewhere today, doesn't seem far-fetched in the slightest (As in the days of Noah...?)
The scene of people on the rock being washed away immediately reminded me of paintings like THIS and THIS.
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I hated it. Sat through the first twenty-five minutes of hushed, earnest dialogue, hyena's with fish scales, talking rocks, nice scenery of Iceland and f*@king Mongorians attacking a la South Park. Anthony Hopkins as Methusela in a cave on the same bloody mountain that they had been sinfully picking flowers on only ten minutes earlier was enough to make me loose the will to live.
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
I guess it has only upset some American fundamentalists, rather than evangelicals in general.
Yes, sorry, there is a difference.
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I went with the family and we all enjoyed it. It was fodder for dinner discussions for days. My jaded teen said she appreciated that it was so earnest without being overly precious.
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