quote:It also says
This board is dedicated to those topics that recur with tedious regularity on nearly every multi-denominational religious debate forum on the internet. Specifically: … the role of women in church and Christian households, … If you want to discuss any aspect of those subjects, post your thread here. Please go to the appropriate board if you want to talk about worship practices or seek support.
quote:so it's not like you're being punished for wanting to talk about it, you're just being directed to the correct spot to do so and where others interested in discussing it know they'll be able to find your thread.
… Dead Horses is really an extension of Purgatory …
code:[url=http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic
;f=7;t=000533]Join me to discuss the promotion of more non-ordained roles
for women in the [Roman Catholic] church.[/url]
quote:It doesn't make sense because half of it continues to be predicated on the basis that Purg is better than DH.
Originally posted by Francophile:
DH threads have equal authority with threads in Purgatory. DH is not a second class place for less equal threads. It's just a "different" place. Some threads cannot be ordained and allowed into Purg because they don't have the genitalia necessary to be in Purg. But they are equally valid threads. Equal but different. Hope that makes sense![]()
quote:Absolute gold!
Originally posted by Francophile:
Some threads cannot be ordained and allowed into Purg because they don't have the genitalia necessary to be in Purg. But they are equally valid threads. Equal but different. Hope that makes sense![]()
quote:Me? IIRC, I was one of the first (if not the first) to suggest that posting new threads should be allowed in DH. Before that you could only post to existing threads, which got dumped there by hosts from other boards. I do not really recall discussing where DH should be situated. (It's possible I did though, but if so the my opinion clearly did not leave a lasting impression on me...
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
I seem to recall Ingo had suggested that move too.
quote:It was prior to my joining the ship, so at least 8 years ago or more.
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
It wasn't that long ago that we moved Dead Horses into the special interest section, where it sits naturally with Kerygmania (that off-shoot of Purgatory dealing with discussion of Bible texts) and Ecclesiantics (that multi-origin board that includes some threads that at one stage would have been in Purgatory as well).
I seem to recall Ingo had suggested that move too.
quote:My italics. Perhaps we should call it Greedy Pigs instead of Dead Horses?
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
The powers-that-be have decided that in order to give other subjects room to breathe, the attention-hog DH subjects get to romp around in their own corral.
quote:I think they came into effect after we had a H&A Day to celebrate Erin's birthday (in the beginning of May)?
Alan Cresswell: But, I am a bit surprised it wasn't until May that we made those changes.
quote:I'm genuinely curious as to which part of the description you don't think is descriptive.
Originally posted by IngoB:
Special interest discussion (lowest entry)
Dead Horses
endless, no-resolution-ever discussion
"This is the place where all done to death threads get booted to, so that they can happily canter along with the other old nags."
Put DH up in Community discussion, change its name, subtitle and description to something less dismissive, and I will start believing that it is "equal but different" in the minds of those running this website.
quote:Have I said anywhere that it is not descriptive? It is descriptive, both of the board and the lesser status (if not outright contempt) it is held in. And my only issue with that is that certain people pretend that the the latter is not as obvious as the former, even to the point of calling the obvious truth that Purg is better than DH on these boards a category error.
Originally posted by orfeo:
I'm genuinely curious as to which part of the description you don't think is descriptive.
quote:Then tell me which words in the description indicate that it is of lesser status, if not held in outright contempt.
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:Have I said anywhere that it is not descriptive? It is descriptive, both of the board and the lesser status (if not outright contempt) it is held in.
Originally posted by orfeo:
I'm genuinely curious as to which part of the description you don't think is descriptive.
quote:Indeed, and so to illustrate my point of what you are doing by virtue of the language used. This word in scare quotes was supposed to be contrasted with the other word in scare quotes ("different"), which is the sort of language you would have to use to indicate parity.
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
"Outcast" is at least as pejorative as anything you perceive in the intro, IngoB.
quote:You can do whatever the hell you please with that, and as mentioned, I actually don't particularly care. I'm just pointing out that if your intention is to signal "different but equal" here, then your choice of wording is not optimal. I'm sorry, but "done to death" just does not have the positive ring of say "serious discussion".
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Why cannot we cater for those different tastes? Both safeguard Purgatory from the intro of these themes into other general discussions and allow a playing field for those who want them discussed further, will risk the "old hat" and "done to death" aspects? How is that not "equal but different"?
quote:
Holy Stand-off
where irresistible rhetoric meets immovable objections
Here you stand and can say no other? Well, so do they. Christ will be around shortly to decide between you, right after He brought peace to the Middle East. This is our board for the toughest of nuts and their cases that show no signs of cracking. Yet.
quote:
Thirty Years Wack
semper discutanda
We all must reform our ways. Or counter-reform them. Certainly we must be informed how to avoid deformation. So have at it, glory awaits the victor in this intense battle zone of faith and morals. Will you be my Wallenstein?
quote:
Ouroboros' Snack
after the discussion is before the discussion
This is our board for Purgatorial matters that bear repeating. Possibly until you are blue in your face, but we all need to release our inner smurf sometimes. If we all keep running in circles, then at least we can be sure that nobody will get away with it - until somebody makes the path straight. Will you be the one?
quote:On reflection, I'm inclined to agree. Part of the problem is that I've been around here for almost 9 years now, so I don't always see clearly the impact of some of our brief descriptions on the minds of others. "Getting" the ethos of this place is pretty instinctive for me now.
Originally posted by passer:
To be fair B62, if the descriptions and demarcation points were clear and defendable, this question wouldn't keep cropping up. Whilst most of us have a reasonable understanding of the purpose behind the segregation of the topics, this interminable discussion keeps reappearing, so something isn't quite right.
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quote:Maybe it's a DH?
Originally posted by passer:
... this interminable discussion keeps reappearing...
quote:Like Barnabas, I feel others would have a greater say in any rewrite. But I'm going to comment on this one, specifically.
Originally posted by IngoB:
[qb]Thirty Years Wack
semper discutanda
We all must reform our ways. Or counter-reform them. Certainly we must be informed how to avoid deformation. So have at it, glory awaits the victor in this intense battle zone of faith and morals. Will you be my Wallenstein?
quote:Oddly, this reads a lot like the idea behind that "duel board" idea that bombed a while back...
Originally posted by IngoB:
Thirty Years Wack
semper discutanda
We all must reform our ways. Or counter-reform them. Certainly we must be informed how to avoid deformation. So have at it, glory awaits the victor in this intense battle zone of faith and morals. Will you be my Wallenstein?
quote:We live in a world where boxes of toothpicks come with instructions. There are certainly other explanations for why the distinction of Dead Horses from Purgatory and Hell is occasional contested besides "the description is not perfectly clear".
Originally posted by passer:
if the descriptions and demarcation points were clear and defendable, this question wouldn't keep cropping up.