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Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
Guess what, goys and birls? Festivus just came early to the restofus—it's time for the Airing of the Grievances.

Got a petty complaint, something not worth a full-blown Hellcall? Some little thing that's been annoying you for years about one of your fellows—nothing major, mind you, just something *annoying*—something you just need to get out in the open? A sig line that's too long by half, a tendency to mangle code, a linguistic tic that just makes you cringe?

Go for it. No gripe too petty, no whine too small.

Feats of Str***th to follow.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
l hereby nominate multiple offenders. Anyone who uses "outwith". Presumaby l don't have to give a reason other than the fact that l really really don't like it. You know who you are.
 
Posted by saysay (# 6645) on :
 
Croesus.

* keep losing my internet access so * can't keep up with everything.

But Croesus. As * 've seen him on the Ship, he deserves the Hell Call.
 
Posted by MSHB (# 9228) on :
 
quote:
Crap spouted by Jonah the Whale:
l hereby nominate multiple offenders.
All you people who assume the world runs on Northern Hemisphere time. Folks, it is Spring here in Australia, and has been since 1st September. Seasons are not universal measures of time, so don't (for example) talk about books and films coming out in "Fall" - I have no idea when your autumnal season begins and ends.

So stop treating seasons as though they were universal truths. They are local to where you live. Your country, continent, or hemisphere is not the whole world - and the Ship attracts people from every climate zone.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Save me from those shipmates whose typical posting style resembles an old grump waving his cane, yelling, "Get off my lawn!!"
 
Posted by Arethosemyfeet (# 17047) on :
 
quote:
Crap spouted by Jonah the Whale:
l hereby nominate multiple offenders. Anyone who uses "outwith". Presumaby l don't have to give a reason other than the fact that l really really don't like it. You know who you are.
Aye, * do. * live in ****land, it cannae be helped.
 
Posted by quetzalcoatl (# 16740) on :
 
Yes, 'outwith' definitely the most irritating word in the language.

Also this:

This.

And all the sodding acronyms - it's like being in the sixth form again - SWALK, HOLLAND, IMO, IMHO, AFAICS, etc.
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
quote:
Crap spouted by quetzalcoatl:
Yes, 'outwith' definitely the most irritating word in the language.

Also this:

This.

And all the sodding acronyms - it's like being in the sixth form again - SWALK, HOLLAND, IMO, IMHO, AFAICS, etc.
This.

LOL
 
Posted by rolyn (# 16840) on :
 
How about this this little bass-tad ... [Smile] ?
 
Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :
 
To be honest, nothing really bothers me but, "to be honest," or TBH or its distant cousin, "actually." Just say it already! Don't imply that you've been lying up till now.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
When * saw the OP, * thought it was going to link to this picture instead...

Perhaps this would be a good present to buy your nearest and dearest (or perhaps your worst enemy) for Festivus??


Oh, and my pet peeve is when people say 'And to cut a long story short....' (usually when it's already been a VERY long story indeed.... zzzzzzzzz!)

[ 20. September 2014, 12:59: Message edited by: Chorister ]
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
rolyn

Please learn this lesson well and give my poor, dyslexic brain a break!

Full stops have no space after the word they come after but they do have two spaces after the full stop itself. Commas, on the other hand, have one space after the comma - not before! They also have no space after the word they come after. Question marks and exclamation marks are just like full stops - two spaces after the punctuation, none before.

Clear?

Thanks muchly!


[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :
 
Y'all do realize that you're giving any mischief-minded shipmates a perfect primer for how to drive you mad. Right?
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
Absolutely. l've been making notes.
 
Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :
 
What I've just realized is that H&A Day has made my usual typos and misspellings appear to be just them messing around. Thanks!
 
Posted by Soror Magna (# 9881) on :
 
quote:
Crap spouted by Boogie:
... Full stops have no space after the word they come after but they do have two spaces after the full stop itself. Commas, on the other hand, have one space after the comma - not before! They also have no space after the word they come after. Question marks and exclamation marks are just like full stops - two spaces after the punctuation, none before. ...
No. Wrong. That was the convention when using mechanical typewriters. Now that we use computers with proportional fonts and the ability to justify text, those double spaces create blank "rivers" in the text. The modern convention is just one space.

And quit using the space bar and tab key and the enter key to lay out text - that's also antiquated typewriter shit. Use formatting. Or tables. Or text boxes.

Welcome to the 21st Century. kthnxbai.
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
Soror Magna, that's fine - either way is OK imo.

But the space never, ever comes before the full stop. That's what hurts my eyes!
 
Posted by saysay (# 6645) on :
 
quote:
Crap spouted by Soror Magna:
The modern convention is just one space.

Welcome to the 21st Century. kthnxbai.
And what we're all just supposed to magically unlearn 30 + years of muscle memory?
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
I still do the two spaces after a full stop, I was taught it when I was taught to use a computer at school, we did the CLAIT exam and it was on the syllabus.

I think it looks better when you are word processing.
 
Posted by itsarumdo (# 18174) on :
 
Justrtrying one space full stop. Justrtrying two space full stop. Justrtrying three space full stop. Justrtrying one space full stop. Justrtrying one space full stop.

course, it's all buggered up by HTML which removes runs of spaces and replaces them with one space. Two looks better in a printed doc. And Garamond.

[ 20. September 2014, 20:52: Message edited by: itsarumdo ]
 
Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by saysay:
quote:
Crap spouted by Soror Magna:
The modern convention is just one space.

Welcome to the 21st Century. kthnxbai.
And what we're all just supposed to magically unlearn 30 + years of muscle memory?
That's what I thought—well, not 30 years, but several.

Then I actually tried changing. Took me about a week.
 
Posted by saysay (# 6645) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
quote:
Originally posted by saysay:
quote:
Crap spouted by Soror Magna:
The modern convention is just one space.

Welcome to the 21st Century. kthnxbai.
And what we're all just supposed to magically unlearn 30 + years of muscle memory?
That's what I thought—well, not 30 years, but several.

Then I actually tried changing. Took me about a week.
But I'm talking 30 years. Having learned on a manual typewriter where you had to pound on the keys. And having spent several years where I typed for 8+ hours per day.

I've tried.

Not all 21st century arbitrary conventions are worth adjusting to.
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
Outside of shitty software like the Ship, I force my font into fixed-width (usually Courier New, because it's common, and because I hate everyone). Partially because I often work with old databases with space-aligned columns of data, but also because I find that I can proof-read better with fixed-width fonts. In a fixed-width font, the visual cue of the double-space after a full stop is pretty effective.

The really fascinating part is... no, wait. There isn't any of this that is fascinating. We do what we like, and judge others for what they do. It is always thus.

Outwith the fictions of tolerance and forgiveness, of course.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
quote:
Crap spouted by Boogie:
... Full stops have no space after the word they come after but they do have two spaces after the full stop itself. Commas, on the other hand, have one space after the comma - not before! They also have no space after the word they come after. Question marks and exclamation marks are just like full stops - two spaces after the punctuation, none before. ...
No. Wrong. That was the convention when using mechanical typewriters.
Nope. Bzzt. Wrong. The convention predates manual typewriters; in typesetting, an extra-wide space was used after a full stop. When typewriters came along, the extra-wide space was interpreted as two spaces instead of one. But the extra-wide space predates the typewriter. The idea that the space after a full stop should be the same width as the space after a comma is a desktop-publishing forgetting of the older convention.
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
I just do it the way my boss tells me.
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
Translation: kneepads.
 
Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :
 
Ahem: 'Knee pads'.
 
Posted by quetzalcoatl (# 16740) on :
 
I do it the way publishers tell me to. They're the chaps with the money, and I crave money.
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
Translation: kneepads.
Ewwwwwww.
 
Posted by rolyn (# 16840) on :
 
OK Boogie. Will try harder not to do that. I [Axe murder] you too much to want to drive you nuts.

It's just that my brain doesn't cope well with bunched up type.
 
Posted by MSHB (# 9228) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
Ahem: 'Knee pads'.
Kneepads could be ads for Kneep.

Without the space we cannot be certain.
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
OK Boogie. Will try harder not to do that. I [Axe murder] you too much to want to drive you nuts.

It's just that my brain doesn't cope well with bunched up type.
Bless you [Angel]

Two good things out of my moan - I now know that you love me and I brought the venerable RooK out on to a thread!

(Three if you put those darn full stops where they should be! [Biased] )

**goes of to bask in success**

[ 21. September 2014, 11:52: Message edited by: Boogie ]
 
Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
Ahem: 'Knee pads'.
Surely, 'knee-pads'?

My pet hate of the verbal kind. People who say: 'I bought him along for the journey'. Or 'she bought the pavlova to the party', or 'I bought the children to the playground'. Did you? Did you really? Did you BUY your children TO the playground? How does someone even do that?

'Bought' and 'brought' used to be two entirely separate words, with two completely different meanings when I was failing my 11+ at school. Unless things have changed it would be great to hear someone on TV (or anyone else) using the word 'brought' properly.

'I bought the dog in the car with me' is either just the usual tedious ignorance of how to use the word 'brought' or a very convoluted way of needlessly explaining that the dog in your car was purchased by you. Or, I don't care if you bought the wine, stole it or brewed it yourself - so long as you BROUGHT it? It's not a 'buy-a-bottle party (or a 'bing-a-bottle' party for that matter). The correct answer to the question: 'Did you BRING this?' is 'Yes, I BROUGHT it.' Or even 'No, I BROUGHT something else.' Don't tell me what you BOUGHT. I don't care about your shopping list or your lazy use of simple basic English.

(Yeah, I'm obsessed with this. I just reckon if a real stupido like me can get it right surely at least a few percentage of the morons on TV - and in the general population - can, too.)
 
Posted by agingjb (# 16555) on :
 
A reliable method to lose
My respect all at once is to choose
To replace "lose" with "loose";
Which is wrong; it's abuse.
And it's something I cannot excuse.
 
Posted by rolyn (# 16840) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:

(Three if you put those darn full stops where they should be! [Biased] )
A long long time ago in a previous life,(or previous site should I say), Mrs R picked me up on exactly the same thing. But of course you know how it goes when one's nearest and dearest tells us to do something. [Biased]
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Ah. First world English language problems, worthy grievances, indeed.
 
Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on :
 
The argument over how many spaces to put after a sentence has been going on for over a century; a history of sentence spacing.
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
Is this basically the thread for things that are too pathetic even for TICTH?
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
Ahem: 'Knee pads'.
Translation: someone who never played any sports.

Or bothered to check a dictionary to verify when dealing with their intellectual betters.
 
Posted by piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
[QUOTE]Crap spouted by Boogie:
[qb] ... kthnxbai.
What does "kthnxbai" mean?
 
Posted by piglet (# 11803) on :
 
P.S. Sorry about the coding bollocks: I didn't notice it until after the time-limit. [Hot and Hormonal]
 
Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Is this basically the thread for things that are too pathetic even for TICTH?
You should see the neighborhood listserves I'm subscribed to. Makes this look like grave discussion in the UN General Assembly by comparison.

Maybe nobody here has any long-standing petty differences with other Shippies…nah, I think everyone would just prefer to be quietly passive aggressive and gripe about them elsewhere, rather than take the chance to be open when offered. Carry on.
 
Posted by Pooks (# 11425) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
Maybe nobody here has any long-standing petty differences with other Shippies…nah, I think everyone would just prefer to be quietly passive aggressive and gripe about them elsewhere, rather than take the chance to be open when offered. Carry on.
Nah, not true. I do. I'm just too senile to remember who or what.
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by piglet:
What does "kthnxbai" mean?
OK - Thank You - Goodbye

[Smile]
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
Maybe nobody here has any long-standing petty differences with other Shippies…nah, I think everyone would just prefer to be quietly passive aggressive and gripe about them elsewhere, rather than take the chance to be open when offered.
They're too busy taking the chance to gripe at us in Styx. [Razz]
 
Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
quote:
Crap spouted by Boogie:
... Full stops have no space after the word they come after but they do have two spaces after the full stop itself. Commas, on the other hand, have one space after the comma - not before! They also have no space after the word they come after. Question marks and exclamation marks are just like full stops - two spaces after the punctuation, none before. ...
No. Wrong. That was the convention when using mechanical typewriters.
Nope. Bzzt. Wrong. The convention predates manual typewriters; in typesetting, an extra-wide space was used after a full stop. When typewriters came along, the extra-wide space was interpreted as two spaces instead of one. But the extra-wide space predates the typewriter. The idea that the space after a full stop should be the same width as the space after a comma is a desktop-publishing forgetting of the older convention.
Bzzzzztttt. Sorry, no, thanks for playing. The real oldest convention is to go out with the other printers' journeymen, get thoroughly sloshed at lunchtime, and then go back to work and justify your lines of print by adding extra spaces in random places. If this isn't enough for some reason, add an extra double letter or a random 'e' at the end of a worde.

Guesse howwe I knowe thatte .
[Two face] LC/editor of 17th cent. variorum text

[ 22. September 2014, 23:08: Message edited by: Lamb Chopped ]
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Typography in Heaven, typography in Hell.

Only 8 more boards to bring the good word, or rather good wordspace, to.
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Too stupid to be worthy of a full on TICTH rant, but Jesus H. Christ, people are wierd:


Whiny Jerk From US: "deadlines shouldn't be in the middle of a workday"

Arbiter of Reason: "worldwide course, deadline will be in the middle of somebody's workday"

WJFUS: "look at where people are geographically most represented"

AR: "China, Russia, and India. Plus you have three whole weekends to work on the material in advance"

WJFUS: "but it's all about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"


Jesus H. Christ, people are wierd, part 2:

Clueless: "are we supposed to upload one file or also fill in the boxes duplicating our answers from the file"

Arbiter of Reason: posts instructions from right above boxes and file upload point answering the question.

Look, I'm sorry folks, but statistics requires verbal and mathematical ability. So start the fuck out with READING THE INSTRUCTIONS.
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
Double spaces after a full stop can look rather nice.  Don't you think so?
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
You're not catching me out that way: I'm only putting full stops at the ends of paragraphs.

Nyaah.
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
James Joyce has already done that. He's dead now. Draw your own conclusions.
 
Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MSHB:
quote:
Crap spouted by Jonah the Whale:
l hereby nominate multiple offenders.
All you people who assume the world runs on Northern Hemisphere time. Folks, it is Spring here in Australia, and has been since 1st September. Seasons are not universal measures of time, so don't (for example) talk about books and films coming out in "Fall" - I have no idea when your autumnal season begins and ends.

So stop treating seasons as though they were universal truths. They are local to where you live. Your country, continent, or hemisphere is not the whole world - and the Ship attracts people from every climate zone.
I feel your pain, my Antipodean brother.
Here in the most isolated major city in Australia (actually the world), my eastern brethren always talk as though "Australian time" is Eastern Daylight Savings time. This despite the fact that Perth is in the timezone that has more people in it than any other. [Mad]
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Ok, maybe this is what Ariston was looking for. Because I am not really pissed off, but what I want to say is definitely personal. Which is this:

[Killing me] [Killing me] [Killing me] :

Oh, FFS, Twilight, really? Really???

[Killing me] [Killing me] [Killing me]

[ 28. September 2014, 19:19: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
And you call yourself a christian, Kelly. For shame. For Shame.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
I laugh because I love.

In fact, I'm not entirely sure she wasn't going for a laugh. Twilight can be crafty that way.
 
Posted by SusanDoris (# 12618) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
rolyn

Please learn this lesson well and give my poor, dyslexic brain a break!

Full stops have no space after the word they come after but they do have two spaces after the full stop itself.
That's what I learnt to, back in the old days. However, I was told, when starting to use a computer, that only one space is left after a full stop now. [Frown]
 
Posted by SusanDoris (# 12618) on :
 
Obviously, I should have read on before responding!!
 


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