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Boogie
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Sod off Mudfrog.
Just sod off
Stop assuming people have it 'easy' or 'comfortable'. Stop assuming that, just because they don't mention it here they have no pain in their lives. Stop assuming they are not recently bereaved or struggling with a family member with an addiction. Maybe the fact that they don't mention it is because they want to forget it for a while? Or maybe they are managing the pain really well. Maybe they simply don't DO pity parties and are positive, forward looking people, despite everything. You don't know!
Stop assuming that they go nowhere to get involved with, witness or work with people in dire poverty.
Stop assuming who has the passion - simply by looking at their theology.
You don't know!
Stop telling them 'God bless you' whilst making the assumption that they have chosen to be a Christian as a " lifestyle choice along with politics, musical taste, following a fat-free diet or choosing between genres of art or literature."'
Sod off Mudfrog and take you fervent and joyous piety with you.
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seekingsister
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I'm on mudfrog's side here.
LeRoc sits on a ridiculously high horse and belittles anyone who holds anything vaguely resembling traditional Christian beliefs.
And I could say the same to you and him - don't assume that someone's theology tells you about their politics or values. Having liberal theology doesn't make you a nicer person or a better Christian.
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LeRoc
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seekingsister: LeRoc sits on a ridiculously high horse and belittles anyone who holds anything vaguely resembling traditional Christian beliefs.
Do I get to wear a Stetson? Stetsons are cool.
You have accused me of being on a high horse before, in Purgatory, where I think it crosses the line between attacking the argument and the person. I've thought about whether I'd defend myself against this, but I decided that I don't really give a fuck when you think that I'm on a high horse just because I disagree with you. If you feel belittled by me, then that's entirely your problem.
And don't let me get in the way of a good trampling of Mudfrog by Boogie.
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Boogie
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Originally posted by seekingsister:
Having liberal theology doesn't make you a nicer person or a better Christian.
This isn't a contest!
(see above)
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seekingsister
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
You have accused me of being on a high horse before, in Purgatory, where I think it crosses the line between attacking the argument and the person. I've thought about whether I'd defend myself against this, but I decided that I don't really give a fuck when you think that I'm on a high horse just because I disagree with you. If you feel belittled by me, then that's entirely your problem.
You don't disagree. You sneer and turn your nose up.
"What? You think Christianity is like [belief that the majority of Christians hold]? Why on Earth do you believe that?"
For example - a person who wants to see Jesus is "some kind of groupie." How in any universe is that not condescending?
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LeRoc
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seekingsister: For example - a person who wants to see Jesus is "some kind of groupie." How in any universe is that not condescending?
I never claimed to be nice.
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seekingsister
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by seekingsister:
Having liberal theology doesn't make you a nicer person or a better Christian.
This isn't a contest!
(see above)
I'd love it not to be, but there's a pretty clear pattern.
I don't agree with a lot of what Mudfrog says but attacking him for saying "God bless you" because he fears LeRoc has experienced some quite unloving Christians in real life is odd, in my opinion.
LeRoc is more condescending in 99% of his posts than Mudfrog was there - which honestly seemed to me a genuine attempt to build a bridge.
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Boogie
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I called him here for saying this -
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Being a Christian is not a lifestyle choice along with politics, musical taste, following a fat-free diet or choosing between genres of art or literature. For many, many people following Jesus is a matter of life and death - metaphorically and literally - and THEY will tell you that if you're not in the race you're merely a spectator. lukewarm, compromised, on the 'broad road that leads to destruction.'
To me.
When he knows nothing whatever of my circumstances.
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LeRoc
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seekingsister: I don't agree with a lot of what Mudfrog says but attacking him for saying "God bless you" because he fears LeRoc has experienced some quite unloving Christians in real life is odd, in my opinion.
Was the discussion between Boogie and Mudfrog about me? ![[Confused]](confused.gif) I wasn't even taking part much in that conversation.
(I'm sorry Boogie, I'm not trying to hijack your thread.)
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quetzalcoatl
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I thought that Mudfrog said God bless you to no prophet.
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seekingsister
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
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seekingsister: For example - a person who wants to see Jesus is "some kind of groupie." How in any universe is that not condescending?
I never claimed to be nice.
To condescend is to look down on. As though from a height. Perhaps, a high horse.
You don't like my analogy but you admit to the behavior. So I don't take it back.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
I called him here for saying this -
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Being a Christian is not a lifestyle choice along with politics, musical taste, following a fat-free diet or choosing between genres of art or literature. For many, many people following Jesus is a matter of life and death - metaphorically and literally - and THEY will tell you that if you're not in the race you're merely a spectator. lukewarm, compromised, on the 'broad road that leads to destruction.'
To me.
When he knows nothing whatever of my circumstances.
Um, then why didn't you link to that post instead?
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Well, quite. For once I am on Mudfrog's (and seekingsister's) side. Mudfrog's response was, I thought, gracious and loving - though obviously intent is hard to read over the internet. Hanging around the Ship for more than a few days should let one know that conservative Christian doesn't equal mean and nasty. While I do think Mudfrog is quick to forget that knowing the Bible well doesn't equal interpreting it in the same way as him, goodness knows I and other less conservative Christians are guilty of the same (and the same applies to thoughts on liturgy, church tat, etc etc).
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Boogie
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
If Boogie has taken what I wrote so personally she could be so nasty as to tell me to "Sod off!" (Thank you very much for that ) then maybe she needs to lighten up a bit and not be so touchy.
As Carly Simon might have sung, "She's so vain, I bet she thinks this post is about her..."
(I am bringing this to the correct place)
I thought you meant me because you quoted me then replied directly to the quote with "THEN you will know that for such people, the exhortation to run the race, fight the fight of faith, overcome and endure to the end, is not offensive but actually an inspiration, a comfort and a source of challenge and strength."
In what way was this not replying directly to me personally?
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Boogie
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Originally posted by Chesterbelloc:
]Um, then why didn't you link to that post instead?
I thought I had.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
quote:
Originally posted by Mudfrog:
If Boogie has taken what I wrote so personally she could be so nasty as to tell me to "Sod off!" (Thank you very much for that ) then maybe she needs to lighten up a bit and not be so touchy.
As Carly Simon might have sung, "She's so vain, I bet she thinks this post is about her..."
(I am bringing this to the correct place)
I thought you meant me because you quoted me then replied directly to the quote with "THEN you will know that for such people, the exhortation to run the race, fight the fight of faith, overcome and endure to the end, is not offensive but actually an inspiration, a comfort and a source of challenge and strength."
In what way was this not replying directly to me personally?
And if that quote from me is what offended you then I see absolutely no warrant for the hell call I received. You are evidently too easily offended. Which is always a sign of having too high an opinion of oneself.
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Sioni Sais
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Sorry Mudfrog, I actually agree with quite a lot of what you post, but your remark that "Sometimes I wonder whether fellow shipmates have ever actually read the Bible." is one of the nastiest I have seen on the Ship.
Not a personal attack, just nasty.
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no prophet's flag is set so...
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I thought that Mudfrog said God bless you to no prophet.
Which is very nice, and I took it as very nice.
But I want a hat. And I want to ride a pig.
To be more serious, I thought perhaps Mudfrog had at least partly 'gotten it' when he posted in Pigatroy, and that Boogie had posted helpfully as well. Can we all ride pigs together, wearing what ever hats we choose?
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Mudfrog
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Sorry Mudfrog, I actually agree with quite a lot of what you post, but your remark that "Sometimes I wonder whether fellow shipmates have ever actually read the Bible." is one of the nastiest I have seen on the Ship.
Not a personal attack, just nasty.
I didn't mean it in a nasty way - I was just reflecting on the postings that said regarding the Christian life being a race, for example by Byron, that
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I agree, it's not a line taken in the Bible. On this, as on so much else, I disagree with the scriptures. [Smile]
The fact that it is a frequent 'line taken in the Bible' suggests that the writer didn't know that the Bible said the Christian life was a race on numerous occasions.
Again, too easily offended.
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Jemima the 9th
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Boogie - given what you wrote about knowing others' suffering in the OP here, I presume you meant to link to the post in which Mudfrog says:
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
Think for whom this was originally written - their hardship, poverty, unpopularity, persecution and death.
Think of those for whom Chrstianity is not about how nice the choir sings or whether the correct rite was used at communion last week. Think of those for whom identifying as a Christian doesn't mean a gentle comment from the bloke at work but an arrest warrant from the local magistrate. Think of those for who Christianity means holding onto faith when a loved one dies or who lives in a difficult relationship or fights an addiction or even struggles to maintain faith when their natural desire is to jack it all in.
Think of those for whom Christianity is a real passion, a real fervent and joyous experience that is not shared by friends and family.
THEN you will know that for such people, the exhortation to run the race, fight the fight of faith, overcome and endure to the end, is not offensive but actually an inspiration, a comfort and a source of challenge and strength.
When churchgoers sit in the comfortable middle-class lifestyle of respectable 'churchianity', choosing which beliefs they allow themselves to hold, crossing their fingers when reciting creeds they don't feel happy with because it disturbs their little compartmentalised world where God has his hour but no more, they lose all sense of what being a Christian meant to Paul's hearers or to the vast majority of Christians on this planet in the developing world who would rather die than give up Jesus.
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Being a Christian is not a lifestyle choice along with politics, musical taste, following a fat-free diet or choosing between genres of art or literature. For many, many people following Jesus is a matter of life and death - metaphorically and literally - and THEY will tell you that if you're not in the race you're merely a spectator. lukewarm, compromised, on the 'broad road that leads to destruction.'
If you haven't had to make an effort in your Chrstian faith and life, then I wonder whether it's worth having.
Which I humbly submit is a bit on the patronising side, though if read in the correct voice it could be Russell Brand......
The SA have a long and fabulous history of engaging with people who really have had hideous experiences and have lost everything, and I understand why the "do or die, be not lukewarm" approach fits there. But there is a bit of an insinuation there that those of us nice middle class (presumably hat wearing) types haven't really suffered, and if only we had , then truly we would be on fire for the Lord.
I expect my life is typical of many - it's had shitty bits - nothing unusual, death of close relatives, loss, illness etc, and some lovely bits too. Which makes me wonder what Mudfrog would have me do , exactly. Have I not suffered enough to understand? Should I seek out a bit more?
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Twilight
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I'm on Mudfrog and Seekingsister's side, too, but I understand where Boogie's coming from because, a few times recently, I've been in the same situation where someone quoted my post and then spoke to the group as a whole. Of course I took it personally.
In general, I think it would save some hurt feelings if we established a custom of answering the quoted post, then:
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drawing a line before speaking to the whole thread.
Anyway it made Boogie mad enough so we got to hear about some cool stuff she's done.
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Jemima the 9th
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Originally posted by Twilight:
Anyway it made Boogie mad enough so we got to hear about some cool stuff she's done.
True, and hoorah for that.
And mad enough to swear!
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LeRoc
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seekingsister: To condescend is to look down on. As though from a height. Perhaps, a high horse.
You don't like my analogy but you admit to the behavior. So I don't take it back.
I'm not asking you to.
You call me condescending, sitting on my high horse, not nice. Maybe I'm all these things sometimes, maybe you're exaggerating. But I'm afraid that whatever it is, you'll have to deal with it. Ignore me, call me names in Hell, sit in a corner of the shower and cry until your eyes are red ... whatever. I don't care. I don't give the slightest fuck what you think about me.
You obviously had a need to say these things about me, seeing that you posted them on a thread that Boogie opened about Mudfrog. I don't know if you feel better now that you've said these things. In that case, good for you.
Is there anything else?
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Ahleal V
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Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
...Which I humbly submit is a bit on the patronising side, though if read in the correct voice it could be Russell Brand...
I'm now going to read everything Mudfrog posts in the voice of Russell Brand!
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Being a Christian is not a lifestyle choice along with politics, musical taste, following a fat-free diet or choosing between genres of art or literature. For many, many people following Jesus is a matter of life and death - metaphorically and literally -
It seems to me that we have a problem here, in that although the phrase "lifestyle choice" has an aura of triviality about it, in fact it can be a serious thing. Lifestyle choices - such as diet - can literally be matters of life and death. People for whom Christianity is not a lifestyle choice are (presumably) people born into traditional Christian cultures where faith is not normally - or at least not publicly - questioned. Or they are people who don't allow their faith to change their lives. Conversely, people for whom Christianity is a lifestyle choice have (presumably) made a conscious decision to take up a discipleship.
I find it vaguely amusing that Mudfrog is so anxious to diss modern culture that he ends up criticising people of whom one would think he ought to approve: that is people who have chosen to allow Christianity to make a difference to their lives. Mudfrog ties himself up in these knots because he's absolutely convinced that only people of his traditionalist persuasion are serious Christians and liberals are just lightweight (or lukewarm) dilettantes. That's what's so patronising and offensive. And also stupid and ignorant. There are plenty of passionate liberals and lukewarm traditionalists, but Mudfrog always assumes that liberalism is the easy choice.
And here's another thing, in the world of Mudfrog, it seems, choice is a bad thing: only liberals "choose" what they do and don't believe. Which is, of course, utter bollocks. In Western society at least, traditionalists choose to be traditionalists just as much (or as little) as liberals choose to be liberal.
When Luther said:' Here I stand, I can do no other" was he making a lazy liberal lifestyle choice?
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Boogie
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In the world of Mudfrog life is a race, a contest, a battle - where the winner gets the prize.
Very western materialistic.
You in your small corner and I in mine?
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Pomona
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Originally posted by Twilight:
I'm on Mudfrog and Seekingsister's side, too, but I understand where Boogie's coming from because, a few times recently, I've been in the same situation where someone quoted my post and then spoke to the group as a whole. Of course I took it personally.
In general, I think it would save some hurt feelings if we established a custom of answering the quoted post, then:
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drawing a line before speaking to the whole thread.
Anyway it made Boogie mad enough so we got to hear about some cool stuff she's done.
Agreed with all of this. I think talking about how much effort individuals put into their faith is always going to be a sensitive subject.
Mudfrog, I appreciate it was perhaps not intended this way, but your comment could be seen as condescending. I think this is not helped by the fact that more liberal Christians (including myself though I would not identify as liberal as such) often get accused as being wealthy Western liberals who don't live in the real world, and/or ignoring the Bible. Neither are fair or true, at least not wrt most of the Ship's liberals/those viewed as liberal. I have spoken of my background a little, but in case you've forgotten I have been extremely poor and have been homeless in the past. I am currently chronically ill/disabled and not exactly rich. I'm still far from conservative (though IMO reasonably orthodox).
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Boogie
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Originally posted by St. Punk the Pious:
Said hell call reflects much more on the caller than on Mudfrog.
Yes, you are right there.
I have never called anyone to Hell before (except Death, and he doesn't count)
Mudfrog pushed my buttons in calling me 'comfortable'. I haven't been comfortable for nearly 50 years.
But you are right, I shouldn't have let it wind me up.
Never mind.
As you were Mudfrog.
I forgive you.
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Pomona
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Originally posted by Boogie:
In the world of Mudfrog life is a race, a contest, a battle - where the winner gets the prize.
Very western materialistic.
You in your small corner and I in mine?
You know as well as I do that I'm no fan of most of Mudfrog's theology, but I don't think this is fair or true. As far as I can see, his references to the Bible verses in question are perfectly orthodox - and not referring to any kind of materialistic worldview.
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no prophet's flag is set so...
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Originally posted by Boogie:
In the world of Mudfrog life is a race, a contest, a battle - where the winner gets the prize.
Very western materialistic.
You in your small corner and I in mine?
The second sentence is worth bringing up in the Pigatory thread: "Very western materialistic." There are many implications I think.
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
You are evidently too easily offended. Which is always a sign of having too high an opinion of oneself.
And this cavalier reply isn't?
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Beeswax Altar
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I would only expect Mudfrog to care as much about offending the Ship's theological liberals as the Ship's theological liberals care about offending the Ship's theological conservatives.
Do unto others and what not.
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
I would only expect Mudfrog to care as much about offending the Ship's theological liberals as the Ship's theological liberals care about offending the Ship's theological conservatives.
Do unto others and what not.
Well - I would expect any Christian to care about offence to some degree, but then this is the Ship...
I don't identify as either a theological conservative or a theological liberal, but I do care about offending both. Perhaps because of that, I don't know.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Sorry Mudfrog, I actually agree with quite a lot of what you post, but your remark that "Sometimes I wonder whether fellow shipmates have ever actually read the Bible." is one of the nastiest I have seen on the Ship.
Really? Really, really?! Hell host really???
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Originally posted by Boogie:
But you are right, I shouldn't have let it wind me up. Never mind. As you were Mudfrog. I forgive you.
Ahh, condescending forgiveness - now that's some rather sophisticated nastiness at least...
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I hope you all realise there's a Circus thread where you can all practice causing offence and being offended. It seems to have not been that active in recent weeks, go and give it a whirl.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
I would only expect Mudfrog to care as much about offending the Ship's theological liberals as the Ship's theological liberals care about offending the Ship's theological conservatives.
Do unto others and what not.
A couple of things about this:
1. I thought the idea of "do unto others" was to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, not take others' bad behavior as an excuse for your own.
2. Offense works more on an individual level than you imply. People who give offense here don't do it because they're liberal or conservative, or because their interlocutors are liberal or conservative. The people who give offense on the Ship are just that kind of person, yours truly included. I was just as obnoxious when I was voted "most conservative" of my high school graduating class as I am now.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
I called him here for saying this -
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Being a Christian is not a lifestyle choice along with politics, musical taste, following a fat-free diet or choosing between genres of art or literature. For many, many people following Jesus is a matter of life and death - metaphorically and literally - and THEY will tell you that if you're not in the race you're merely a spectator. lukewarm, compromised, on the 'broad road that leads to destruction.'
To me.
When he knows nothing whatever of my circumstances.
Quite right too. Good hell call.
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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by RuthW:
I thought the idea of "do unto others" was to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, not take others' bad behavior as an excuse for your own.
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Beeswax Altar
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
I would only expect Mudfrog to care as much about offending the Ship's theological liberals as the Ship's theological liberals care about offending the Ship's theological conservatives.
Do unto others and what not.
A couple of things about this:
1. I thought the idea of "do unto others" was to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, not take others' bad behavior as an excuse for your own.
2. Offense works more on an individual level than you imply. People who give offense here don't do it because they're liberal or conservative, or because their interlocutors are liberal or conservative. The people who give offense on the Ship are just that kind of person, yours truly included. I was just as obnoxious when I was voted "most conservative" of my high school graduating class as I am now.
As to point 2, theological liberals took offense at what Mudfrog said about theological liberalism. Given how Evagelicalism and traditional Roman Catholicism are frequently treated on Ship of Fools, I found the offense taking to be hypocritical. As to point 1, what Mudfrog said wasn't particularly bad. The nastiest thing ever said on Ship of Fools? Yeah right.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
As to point 2, theological liberals took offense at what Mudfrog said about theological liberalism. Given how Evagelicalism and traditional Roman Catholicism are frequently treated on Ship of Fools, I found the offense taking to be hypocritical.
You missed my point. Not every theological liberal took offense at what Mudfrog said about us. I for one thought Mudfrog was just being Mudfrog.
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As to point 1, what Mudfrog said wasn't particularly bad. The nastiest thing ever said on Ship of Fools? Yeah right.
It wasn't even close to being the nastiest thing ever said here; it was a standard "read the Bible, people!" comment from a Bible-thumper. But I don't know what that has to do with "do unto others."
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mousethief
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
Ignore me, call me names in Hell, sit in a corner of the shower and cry until your eyes are red ... whatever. I don't care.
Bullshit. If you didn't care you won't have posted.
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
I would only expect Mudfrog to care as much about offending the Ship's theological liberals as the Ship's theological liberals care about offending the Ship's theological conservatives.
So you're saying he's a shitty Christian who keeps records of wrongs suffered, and returns evil for evil? That's hardly a nice thing to say of him.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
Given how Evagelicalism and traditional Roman Catholicism are frequently treated on Ship of Fools, I found the offense taking to be hypocritical.
Given what the word "hypocritical" actually means, I just find you weird.
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LeRoc
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mousethief: Bullshit. If you didn't care you won't have posted.
Sometimes we post for different reasons than caring.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
Sometimes we post for different reasons than caring.
It would save everyone a great deal of time if we didn't do that.
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Look, just leave the mindless pointless quips to the Hellhosts. We're professionals.
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Evensong
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“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I taught you;
I taught you mindless, pointless quips to the nations.”
-New Revised Evensong Version. Jeremiah 1:5
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Originally posted by Evensong:
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I taught you;
I taught you mindless, pointless quips to the nations.”
-New Revised Evensong Version. Jeremiah 1:5
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mousethief
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
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mousethief: Bullshit. If you didn't care you won't have posted.
Sometimes we post for different reasons than caring.
I don't care.
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