Ship of Fools: Thomas Cromwell

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Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :

Without googling, and relying entirely on your memory and/or intuition, do you know who he is?

Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :

Delete, misunderstood the game. (Though, if we're just voting, not writing our theories, is this really a game?)

[ 09. February 2015, 13:13: Message edited by: Stetson ]

Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :

Nope, just a poll.

Posted by Lucia (# 15201) on :

If I hadn't been reading 'Shardlake' I would have had little idea... [Hot and Hormonal]

Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :

Thank you for that honest admission.

Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :

I know, but only because of that TV series.

Otherwise, I had heard of him, but knew nothing else about him.

Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :

There's actually two correct answers isn't there. Like those annoying multiple guess tests, you have to pick the best one.

Posted by St. Gwladys (# 14504) on :

Yes, there was a picture of the actor who plays him in front of the ruins of a Welsh abbey in the paper today.

Posted by Heavenly Anarchist (# 13313) on :

I studied him around the third year of high school.

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

But, but, but 2 answers are correct. I can only select one.

Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :

I knew Thomas Cromwell had been heavily involved in the dissolution of the monasteries from reading up on local history.

There were shenanigans between Thomas Cromwell and Abbot Thomas Fuller, with a series of suggested deals that gave monastically owned property to Henry VIII in return for delaying the dissolution of Waltham Abbey. Waltham Abbey was the last monastery dissolved, Abbot Fuller lived out his days in what looked like a sinecure, Henry added a manor house to his property portfolio as a hunting lodge.

The Abbot kept detailed notebooks now in the British Library restricted collections that have entertaining doodles along the margins and elsewhere. IIRC the suggested lists of properties up for offer were in these books. (Fascinating knowing the countryside and leading walks with the archaeology group to look at various options.)

Posted by Hedgehog (# 14125) on :

quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
But, but, but 2 answers are correct. I can only select one.

No, no. It says minor sports personality, so that clearly isn't a right answer.

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

According to '1066 and All That', the Nearly Infallible Source.

a) Cromwell (not that Cromwell of course) was responsible for the Disillusion of the Monasteries.

b) He also lost the game of "Bluff King Hal" in which a courtier, kneeling on a block, had to guess the name of the King's next wife. Of course he got it right, but lost anyway since the King was the Umpire.

[ 09. February 2015, 21:47: Message edited by: Barnabas62 ]

Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :

Anyone who is a serious student of the villainous Tudors knows who Thomas Cromwell is. We laugh hysterically when he presents Anne of Cleves to Henry and loses more than the gamble. Anne of Cleves outlived them all.

Posted by basso (# 4228) on :

I read A Man For All Seasons when I was 11 or 12 years old. (The movie came out about then, and they sold the book in grade schools. Yay, Scholastic Books!)

I was already going to be a history geek, but that was a big step on the road. I learned more from that play than More and Henry.

Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :

Well, I still haven't heard of him. And if he looked like this, I don't want to.

Posted by Horseman Bree (# 5290) on :

Actually there are three correct answers, one of which did not appear in the poll.
The Honorable Justice Mr. Thomas Cromwell has been a member of the Supreme Court of Canada since 2008.

By all accounts, a pleasant and decent man, one of Harper's better appointments.

Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :

We've been mortal enemies since I read A Man for all Seasons as an impressionable youth.

Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :

I saw the film. I don't remember a lot about it now, but Google says the part was played by Leo McKern.

Anyway almost all of you were wrong. He's an actor. Look how many things he's been in.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
I saw the film. I don't remember a lot about it now, but Google says the part was played by Leo McKern.

Anyway almost all of you were wrong. He's an actor. Look how many things he's been in.

He's been in very nearly as many as King Henry VIII. Oh, wait a minute ....

Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
... if he looked like this, I don't want to.

I can imagine Leo McKern playing a bloke who looked like that. I've seen A Man For All Seasons a few times, but it was a long time ago and he didn't make as much impact on me as Paul Schofield as Thomas More or John Hurt as Richard Rich.

Posted by Rosa Gallica officinalis (# 3886) on :

I've mainly head of Thomas Cromwell as the 'owner' of Launde Abbey which is my favourite retreat house.

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