Posted                         

quote:

---

But each of us was given grace according to the measure of Christ’s gift. Therefore it is said,

quote:

---

‘When he ascended on high he made captivity itself a captive; he gave gifts to his people.’

---

(When it says, ‘He ascended’, what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is the same one who ascended far above all the heavens, so that he might fill all things.)

---

quote:

---

And, as they declared what things they had seen, again they see three men come forth from the tomb, and two of them supporting one, and a cross following them: and of the two the head reached unto the heaven, but the head of him that was led by them overpassed the heavens. And they heard a voice from the heavens, saying, Thou hast preached to them that sleep. And a response was heard from the cross, Yea.

---

Posted                       

quote:

---

Originally posted by Gramps49:
However, the better translation of the phrase is
"He went to the dead."
{snip}
Apparently the clause first appeared in the East with Sirmium's fourth formula in 359—also called the "Dated Creed"— though the Eastern church rejected it as tinged with Arianism. The first mention of the descent in the West occurs in the writings of Rufinus of Aquileia, who included it in his baptismal creed around 400. Over time, the Latin church appropriated it as well, officially integrating it into the Creed in 750.

---

Posted                       

quote:

---

Originally posted by Moo:

quote:

---

Originally posted by Gramps49:
However, the better translation of the phrase is
"He went to the dead."

---

What is the original language of the phrase and what are the words?

Moo

---

• He didn't descend to the lake of fire prepared for the devil
• He didn't descend to a realm ruled by Satan and his demons (indeed, a general consensus that a place where Satan rules absolutely has no Biblical support ... in all "places" God rules, in some places Satan has managed to deceive his way into some limited control usurping the authority given to humanity to care for creation).

Posted                       

quote:

---

Originally posted by Moo:

quote:

---

Originally posted by Gramps49:
However, the better translation of the phrase is
"He went to the dead."
{snip}
Apparently the clause first appeared in the East with Sirmium's fourth formula in 359—also called the "Dated Creed"— though the Eastern church rejected it as tinged with Arianism. The first mention of the descent in the West occurs in the writings of Rufinus of Aquileia, who included it in his baptismal creed around 400. Over time, the Latin church appropriated it as well, officially integrating it into the Creed in 750.

---

What is the original language of the phrase and what are the words?

Moo

---

quote:

---

The Greek wording in the Apostles' Creed is κατελθόντα εἰς τὰ κατώτατα, ("katelthonta eis ta katôtata"), and in Latin descendit ad inferos. The Greek τὰ κατώτατα (ta katôtata,"the lowest") and the Latin inferos ("those below") may also be translated as "underworld", "netherworld", or "abode of the dead."

---