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Christian Agnostic
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I think so. ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Picking one's nose is uncouth and disgusting, but not likely a sin.
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Guess it depends on whether or not you eat anything you find up there... ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Is "homosexuality" an action? A thought? How can an abstract noun be a sin?
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I have no right to attribute guilt to anyone except myself. But I do have a duty to try to live as God intended me to live, so for myself I have to decide what actions of my own would be sinful.
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Nose-picking entails putting a bodily organ to a function other than that for which it was created and is therefore objectively disordered.
Yours, St Ricardus Aquinas.
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If God hadn't intended for us to pick our noses, our nostrils would not be finger-sized.
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There isn't a person on Earth who has never picked their nose.
(Before you ask - yes, I have done the survey)
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Originally posted by Ricardus:
Nose-picking entails putting a bodily organ to a function other than that for which it was created and is therefore objectively disordered.
Yours, St Ricardus Aquinas.
But the stuff that comes out of my nose is a waste product.
The stuff that comes out of my penis has the potential to create life.
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Ricardus:
Nose-picking entails putting a bodily organ to a function other than that for which it was created and is therefore objectively disordered.
Yours, St Ricardus Aquinas.
But the stuff that comes out of my nose is a waste product.
The stuff that comes out of my penis has the potential to create life.
There's antibiotics for that.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
There isn't a person on Earth who has never picked their nose.
What about someone born without hands?
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That's what friends are for.
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Multipara , As the graffiti used say:
You can pick your nose
You can pick your nose
Why can't you pick your friend's nose?
And to pick up an earlier post, the "sin" would be in the homosexual act, not in the prediliction/leaning/what have you. Indeed, those who believe it to be a sin probably give bonus marks to those who are homosexual but choose to remain chaste.
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
If homosexuality is a sin, is it on a par with the "sin" of nose picking?
(Why) do you think that nose picking is a sin?
If it's not, then the OP really means: "If homosexuality is a sin, is it on a par with something that isn't a sin?". And the answer is obviously 'no'.
So do you mean - is the objection to homosexuality based on things like politeness, hygiene, social conformity and not making other people feel queasy, which are the sort of grounds we might use to object to inappropriate nose picking?
If that's the question then no, it's not. The objection to homosexuality (for such Christians as do object) is that the Bible is considered to be an authoritative guide to moral behaviour, and the Bible appears to prohibit same-sex relations. The counter-argument is that the Bible is either not authoritative, or ought not to be interpreted, in that way.
The fact that there are some people who would feel uncomfortable sitting at dinner next to an openly practising nose picker, but not an openly practising homosexual, and vice versa is neither here nor there. There are very likely people who find one, or the other, or both, or neither, sort of behaviour viscerally distasteful on both sides of the argument.
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GeeD,
I've seen a lot of graffiti, but not that. The ladies' loos at Sydney Uni didn't run to that kind of message.
Anyway, the OP was (and is) idiotic.
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Originally posted by Eliab:
...The fact that there are some people who would feel uncomfortable sitting at dinner next to an openly practising nose picker, but not an openly practising homosexual, and vice versa is neither here nor there. ...
I would be uncomfortable sitting at dinner next to anyone openly practising sex, be it heterosexual, monosexual, or homosexual.
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I was intending for the OP to be absurdist rather than idiotic. I'm a recovering homophobe, but the homosexual act is still as "disgusting" to me as nose-picking is. What I was trying to point out. IMHO, as sins go, homosexuality is pretty minor and certainly not unforgiveable even for practicing homosexuals, we might as well say telling "white lies" will send us directly to Hell.
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
IMHO, as sins go, homosexuality is pretty minor and certainly not unforgiveable even for practicing homosexuals...
It isn't in the state of being and it isn't even in the "practice" where the sin may be found, IMO.
It's in the context of the practice which, oddly enough, applies to sex between people of opposite gender as well.
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All sins are forgivable. Picking your nose in public is not.
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
I was intending for the OP to be absurdist rather than idiotic. I'm a recovering homophobe, but the homosexual act is still as "disgusting" to me as nose-picking is. What I was trying to point out. IMHO, as sins go, homosexuality is pretty minor and certainly not unforgiveable even for practicing homosexuals, we might as well say telling "white lies" will send us directly to Hell.
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The whole idea that there are degrees of sin, and hence 'minor' and 'major' sins, is theologically wobbly at best.
In earthly law, the seriousness of a crime is reflected in sentencing - a fine, a good behaviour bond, a short jail sentence, a long jail sentence.
Now, unless you are from a church that subscribes to the idea that one can spend time purifying oneself of the effects of a particular sin - whether here on earth or in Purgatory - the whole idea that there are a 'range of sentencing options' makes no sense in the Christian context. You're either a saved sinner going to heaven or an unsaved sinner going to hell. Which PARTICULAR sins you might have committed is, on that view, totally irrelevant.
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
I was intending for the OP to be absurdist rather than idiotic. I'm a recovering homophobe, but the homosexual act is still as "disgusting" to me as nose-picking is. What I was trying to point out. IMHO, as sins go, homosexuality is pretty minor and certainly not unforgiveable even for practicing homosexuals, we might as well say telling "white lies" will send us directly to Hell.
You are trying to sound accepting of homosexuality - but actually you still sound pretty homophobic to me. Imagine if I likened your bedtime tumbles with your partner to nose picking?
Not very recovered yet - imo.
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
...the homosexual act is still as "disgusting" to me as nose-picking is. What I was trying to point out. IMHO, as sins go, homosexuality is pretty minor...
You've answered your own question there. People who think (as you do) that buggery is a bit icky, rather like nose-picking, do not see it as a serious sin.
Those who do see it as a serious sin do so for other reasons than distaste (though that may be an aggravating factor in how seriously they see do it).
There's only a slight correlation between disgustingness and immorality. Intentionally inflicting disgust on someone unnecessarily is inconsiderate, and therefore immoral. And strong moral disapproval can (but need not) inspire feelings of disgust. But that's all. Changing a nappy is disgusting, but not immoral. Committing adultery is immoral, but not disgusting.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
I was intending for the OP to be absurdist rather than idiotic. I'm a recovering homophobe, but the homosexual act is still as "disgusting" to me as nose-picking is. What I was trying to point out. IMHO, as sins go, homosexuality is pretty minor and certainly not unforgiveable even for practicing homosexuals, we might as well say telling "white lies" will send us directly to Hell.
You are trying to sound accepting of homosexuality - but actually you still sound pretty homophobic to me. Imagine if I likened your bedtime tumbles with your partner to nose picking?
Not very recovered yet - imo.
I said I'm recovering, not RECOVERED. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif) I was trying (as best as I could) to be honest and forthright about where I stood. I am WELL AWARE of my sins, "judge not..." So would you like a few more "mea culpas" or should I scourge myself?
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
I said I'm recovering, not RECOVERED. I was trying (as best as I could) to be honest and forthright about where I stood. I am WELL AWARE of my sins, "judge not..." So would you like a few more "mea culpas" or should I scourge myself?
Why are you getting upset? It's been pointed out the error of your mistake. You have two options, as I see it: take it as a learning moment in your life and resolve to do better, or take it to Hell and gnaw your liver in rage.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
You are trying to sound accepting of homosexuality - but actually you still sound pretty homophobic to me. Imagine if I likened your bedtime tumbles with your partner to nose picking?
Not very recovered yet - imo.
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Originally posted by CA:
I said I'm recovering, not RECOVERED. I was trying (as best as I could) to be honest and forthright about where I stood. I am WELL AWARE of my sins, "judge not..." So would you like a few more "mea culpas" or should I scourge myself?
Not at all - but posting this thread is an odd way of saying it. You were inviting my kind of (slightly bemused) response.
My MIL used to say "I am not prejudiced but ....." You could guarantee the "But" would include a barrow load of prejudice.
Starting this thread sounds similar to me -
"I'm *not* homophobic, but what they do is disgusting isn't it?"
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I am tired of Holier-than-thou folks who believe that homosexuality is an unforgiveable sin. If a reprobate like me can't see the problem, why do they? I like to ask when they sinning? We are forgiven, sanctification is only aspirational. I make a distinction between "sins" and "Sin". I am, in some ways, a pretty "protty" Anglican, and there are times when I see "calls to righteousness" as calls to "works righteousness". And yes I'm somewhat of a universal salvationist.
As a yank, I am digusted at the Religious Right's stance on gay marriage. Churches can believe as they will, but they can't hold the rest of the Nation hostage.
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Originally posted by leo:
...shopping at the supermarket, watching TV, cooking and washing up ...
Only homosexuals do those things?
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
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Originally posted by leo:
...shopping at the supermarket, watching TV, cooking and washing up ...
Only homosexuals do those things?
Maybe we do them in a homosexual way?! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
<ponders exactly what, for example, a lesbian way of washing up would look like...>
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This thread must hold a record for number of stupid statements.
[checks: Nope, full moon was a few days ago - should have worn off by now.]
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Originally posted by Boogie:
"I'm *not* homophobic, but what they do is disgusting isn't it?"
1) Why is it homophobic to find particular sex acts distasteful? Disgust is a perfectly natural reaction to unfamiliar biological processes.
2) The whole point of the OP (as I understand it) is that disgust is a pretty flimsy reason for moral disapproval. CA is saying that it doesn't matter in the least that he finds the idea of anal sex (or whatever) uncomfortable, that doesn't give him grounds for condemnation.
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
I am tired of Holier-than-thou folks who believe that homosexuality is an unforgiveable sin. [...] I am digusted at the Religious Right's stance on gay marriage.
I don't know anyone who thinks homosexuality is an unforgiveable sin, but I'm with you on gay marriage.
You are, I think, wrong to assume that the conservative Christian view is based on distaste for the physical act of gay sex. I've no doubt that many people do view it with distaste, but that's not the main or only reason why they think it wrong. That would usually be because the Bible (in their view) clearly says so.
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Two scrubbers with no handles.
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Originally posted by amber.:
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
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Originally posted by leo:
...shopping at the supermarket, watching TV, cooking and washing up ...
Only homosexuals do those things?
Maybe we do them in a homosexual way?!
<ponders exactly what, for example, a lesbian way of washing up would look like...>
I believe it involves a flannel.
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What is "the physical act of gay sex"? Mutual masturbation? Fellatio/cunnilingus? Vaginal penetration with a strap-on dildo? There are many physical acts of gay sex, some of which are also physical acts of hetero sex. There certainly is no THE physical act of gay sex.
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There shouldn't be laws banning gay marriage any more than laws banning nose picking.
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BTW, I started this rant in response to RC bishops sending out cds on roman catholic social teachings ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) and voting. I wish they would come out and say that they want to impose their religious doctrine on the rest of us. The same holds true for the Evangelical/Fundamentalist/Pentacostalist crowd, but they are no where as nearly well organized.
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Laws don't ban marriage; laws create marriage as a legally-recognized relationship (other legally-recognized relationships would include business partnerships, landlord/tenant, etc). The proponents of gay marriage are asking to have the laws broadened to allow marriage between persons of the same sex.
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I think the expression "gay marriage" is not very helpful.
Let's talk about "marriage" and who may be thus joined. That's a much more constructive direction to approach it from.
CA, I appreciate and commend your intent. One advantage you have here is that you can talk *with* the folks that you're opining about rather than talking *about* them as part of your recovery.
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What's the point of this thread again? (And how is it different than the two dozen other threads on this topic here?)
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
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Originally posted by leo:
...shopping at the supermarket, watching TV, cooking and washing up ...
Only homosexuals do those things?
My point is that those who condemn homosexuals don't seem to realise that they live lives pretty much the same way as everyone else.
The homophobes define gays by certain genital acts - that is an obsession with sex, defining people solely in terms of sex, reductionist.
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Originally posted by leo:
...My point is that those who condemn homosexuals don't seem to realise that they live lives pretty much the same way as everyone else.
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Then your point is stupid - likely no one thinks homosexuals do nothing but have sex.
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
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Originally posted by leo:
...My point is that those who condemn homosexuals don't seem to realise that they live lives pretty much the same way as everyone else.
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Then your point is stupid - likely no one thinks homosexuals do nothing but have sex.
But for some folks they are defined by the fact that they are sexually attracted to and have sex with people of the same gender. Homosexuals are, to them, the "Other".
BTW, are there any heterosexuals out there who are "sin-free", without the slightest hint of homophobic thoughts or stereotyping?
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
BTW, are there any heterosexuals out there who are "sin-free", without the slightest hint of homophobic thoughts or stereotyping?
Yes, of course there are. I am heterosexual. There are three homosexual people in my close family and I think of them no differently from anyone else.
I would have had no problem whatever if my sons had been gay - and made sure I told them so.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
BTW, are there any heterosexuals out there who are "sin-free", without the slightest hint of homophobic thoughts or stereotyping?
Yes, of course there are. I am heterosexual. There are three homosexual people in my close family and I think of them no differently from anyone else.
I would have had no problem whatever if my sons had been gay - and made sure I told them so.
You are a good person, and, sadly, rarer than one would like to believe. My great sin was to admit my sinfulness. I'm too trusting and maybe it would have been better if I had not been so open. I've met too many who aren't bigoted but still believe the stereotypes.
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
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Originally posted by leo:
...My point is that those who condemn homosexuals don't seem to realise that they live lives pretty much the same way as everyone else.
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Then your point is stupid - likely no one thinks homosexuals do nothing but have sex.
I may be 'stupid' but you are ignorant if you don't know that the likes of Akinola and Orombi call gay men 'worst than beasts' for precisely that line of thinking.
Is it only anal sex that is supposedly sinful? Not oral? Not kissing?Not hugging?
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Boogie
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
My great sin was to admit my sinfulness. I'm too trusting and maybe it would have been better if I had not been so open. I've met too many who aren't bigoted but still believe the stereotypes.
There is nothing wrong with openness. I just wonder why the strange way of being open about it - the odd comparison with nose picking?
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St. Stephen the Stoned
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Originally posted by leo:
There are many other 'homosexual acts' e.g. shopping at the supermarket, watching TV, cooking and washing up - then there's hugs, kisses....
I'd better not bump into you in Sainsbury's tomorrow, leo -- people might think we're a couple!
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Christian Agnostic
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
My great sin was to admit my sinfulness. I'm too trusting and maybe it would have been better if I had not been so open. I've met too many who aren't bigoted but still believe the stereotypes.
There is nothing wrong with openness. I just wonder why the strange way of being open about it - the odd comparison with nose picking?
It was an absurdist OP. I was trying to point out that homosexuality is no big deal. I (used) to believe that absurdist statements were a way to get people to see things in a different light. I was wrong ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif) I was trying to point out that homosexuality was no big deal, and, it's possible that nose picking was worse. Sometimes I wonder if many on the Ship are way to literal minded. This discussion probably belonged in Hell. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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Eliab
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
I was trying to point out that homosexuality is no big deal.
But you don't engage with any reason why someone might think that it was a big deal.
All you do is refer to one morally-irrelevant misgiving you have about gay sex being unpalatable and assume that that's the whole of the objection to it. It's not. If it were, practically everyone would agree with you that it's no big deal.
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Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras
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Well, most people on the Ship would probably agree "gay sex" is no big deal, as would most of the hetero folks I bump into here in my neck of the woods (not the ones who voted for Christine O'Donnell in the Delaware Republican Primary -- I don't think they patronise the same restaurants and taverns that my partner and I do, and they tend not to sit at the bar in those places, certainly). However, sadly I think there are all too many Americans who do think it's a big deal -- most of them are either on social security and medicare or else they belong to a particularly sad segment of religious reactionaries, mostly evangelical prots. They listen to the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Don't like gay marriage? Then don't have one. But don't violate the 14th Amendment rights of my partner and me. We're married in Canada -- I'd like to have that marriage recognised in the USA.
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