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Posted by pimple (# 10635) on :

I was wrong. Gloucester's new bishop is a lady. Not sure where this thread should go but for me, this should definitely be somewhere in Heaven!

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

She always gets up for Matins at eight
She loves Vespers and never comes late
Missing out Compline is something she hates
That's why the lady has a See

Posted by leo (# 1458) on :

She was on the committee which produced the Pilling Report and her last cbhurch was 'open evangelical', only having Holy Communion once per fortnight.

Posted by BroJames (# 9636) on :

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Originally posted by leo:
<snip> her last cbhurch was 'open evangelical', only having Holy Communion once per fortnight.

Was that the case when she was incumbent there (1999-2006)?

Posted by leo (# 1458) on :

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Originally posted by BroJames:

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Originally posted by leo:
<snip> her last cbhurch was 'open evangelical', only having Holy Communion once per fortnight.
Was that the case when she was incumbent there (1999-2006)?

I looked it up when the Pilling Report was published - which was 2014 - so it may have changed.

Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :

After a backstage chat, we think this might be a happy Ecclesiantics thread! Hold on to your candles and various churchly accouterments, and away we go!

jedijudy
Heaven Host

Posted by Barefoot Friar (# 13100) on :

Can anyone venture and explanation why it matters whether the bishop is open evangelical vs. high church -- or anything else, for that matter. For instance, my bishop is definitely more of a broad churchpersonship, and is evangelical in general, but that has no effect on how we do things in my (nose-bleed-high-for-a-Methodist) Anglo-Methodist shack. Why is it different in Anglican circles? And what do you think will be the specific effects of +Gloucester being evangelical?

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Posted by JoannaP (# 4493) on :

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Can anyone venture and explanation why it matters whether the bishop is open evangelical vs. high church -- or anything else, for that matter. For instance, my bishop is definitely more of a broad churchpersonship, and is evangelical in general, but that has no effect on how we do things in my (nose-bleed-high-for-a-Methodist) Anglo-Methodist shack. Why is it different in Anglican circles? And what do you think will be the specific effects of +Gloucester being evangelical?

I believe that, according to the canons of the CofE, every church should have a communion service once a week. So the problem is not that she is evangelical per se but that she might have been guilty of breaking the rules.

If she is evangelical, however, it will be a big change from +Michael and will not endear her to some parishes who will be unhappy with a female diocesan. (I have no idea what the proportion of Reform churches vis-a-vis FiF is in the diocese.)

Posted by JoannaP (# 4493) on :

I have checked and, according to Canon B14:

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The Holy Communion shall be celebrated in every parish church at least on all Sundays and principal Feast Days, and on Ash Wednesday and Maundy Thursday. It shall be celebrated distinctly, reverently, and in an audible voice.

Posted by Liturgylover (# 15711) on :

Surely her background in terms of first steps in Ministry are completely irrelevant. As Archdeacon of Hackney she will be well aware of the liturgical breadth of the CofE: I myself have seen her celebrate a very high Eucharist in Tower Hamlets.

With regard to Communion, practically every church's main service on Sunday is Eucharistic. In Hackney there are a number of churches which alternate their main service between Communion and Morning Prayer, but almost all also offer an earlier service of Holy Communion (usually at 9am) with hymns, organ, and robes.

Posted by BroJames (# 9636) on :

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Originally posted by JoannaP:
I have checked and, according to Canon B14:

quote:
The Holy Communion shall be celebrated in every parish church at least on all Sundays and principal Feast Days, and on Ash Wednesday and Maundy Thursday. It shall be celebrated distinctly, reverently, and in an audible voice.

Although it's worth noting that Canon B14A sets out the basis on which the requirements of Canon B14 may be dispensed with.

Posted by pimple (# 10635) on :

And that's it? So much for happy ecclesiantics.
I haven't read the Pilling Report but I've read about it. Why is it significant now, in this context?

Posted by L'organist (# 17338) on :

I don't know what she's like now but when I met her (in her first incarnation as a speech & language therapist) she was a very nice person, good sense of humour, etc.

Her husband is P-in-C of two Wren churches in the City - nice chap.

Posted by leo (# 1458) on :

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Originally posted by pimple:
And that's it? So much for happy ecclesiantics.
I haven't read the Pilling Report but I've read about it. Why is it significant now, in this context?

Because it is reactionary and the committee, including the future bishop, were held to ransome by a conevo Bishop from Birkenhead.

Which is ironical because a previous Bishop of Gloucester chaired a much more liberal report over 30 years ago.

Posted by Abigail (# 1672) on :

For what it's worth (possibly not a lot) I met her shortly after she became Archdeacon of Hackney and I liked her very much.

Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :

I don't think the problem is having an evangelical bishop per se. Most - probably all - bishops these days are liturgically flexible and sensitive enough to different traditions within their diocese. And certainly no criticism of Bishop-elect Treweek or the other two women so far appointed: they all seem admirable people. It is slightly worrying though that all three women bishops so far seem to come from the same more-or-less 'open evangelical' tradition. I hope the next ones to be announced represent more liberal or catholic perspectives, otherwise I might suspect a Welbyan (or even Careyan) plot to remodel The Church of England.

Posted by leo (# 1458) on :

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Originally posted by Angloid:
otherwise I might suspect a Welbyan (or even Careyan) plot to remodel The Church of England.

It has already happened - at least it has in this diocese - key 'catholic' parishes now run by open evos.

Posted by JoannaP (# 4493) on :

Does anyone know who was the last +Gloucester with Evo tendencies? My feeling is that it was a while back but I am not sure.

Posted by BroJames (# 9636) on :

This one?

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